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#1 FlaminNoraa
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I might be entirely wrong but in my oppinion people seem to miss the point of the Wii.

I've seen on these forum people saying that the Wii is a toy not a games console. Now the fact is that games consoles are toys. Saying it's not a toy is just a way for adults to justify playing it (when really there's no need, plenty of adults play with rubix cubes). In general the view is that Wiis are for kids. Sure they are for kids. But in PS1 days plenty of games had the 3+ label on them. If anything, a higher age rating makes it less of a games console and more of an interactive movie. Stop bashing the Wii. It holds its own in the sales and don't say that sales mean nothing because they do. They mean more people, REAL people, have bought it. Look at it this way. If everyone who ever played a game voted on this forum, the Wii would win.

Eager to see the arguments this racks up.

Btw I spent 600 GBP building a new gaming PC so I'm not a fanboy... Well I'm a PC fanboy :D.

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The problem isn't that the games are for kids (which isn't an actual argument, just something fanboys like to throw around). The problem is that there aren't enough good games on the system, and the ones that are on there are mostly niche.
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Calling a video game console a toy is about the same as calling a Porn film a disney movie. A video game console has lots of adult only games on it, adult only films and so on.

It's not a toy.

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Calling a video game console a toy is about the same as calling a Porn film a disney movie. A video game console has lots of adult only games on it, adult only films and so on.

It's not a toy.

CreepyBacon
It is a toy. All video games are toys.
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Look at it this way. If everyone who ever played a game voted on this forum, the Wii would win.

FlaminNoraa

based on sales alone, this is true.

however, many, many Wii users don't come to GameSpot, especially not to debate their system. that's a big reason why it is trashed on this site.

i love it. it's the only Current get system I own, but I'm in the minority on GS.

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#6 FlaminNoraa
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Calling a video game console a toy is about the same as calling a Porn film a disney movie. A video game console has lots of adult only games on it, adult only films and so on.

It's not a toy.

CreepyBacon

Disney isn't a genre its a company. How is it not a toy. Toy - something that serves for or as if for diversion, rather than for serious pratical use. Is that not what a games console is? Or do you use yours productively?

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#7 Junior_AIN
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Video-games are not toys anymore, and it's been like that for quite some time now, look at the 360, now you can even buy films through Live, kids don't have a credit card.
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Video-games are not toys anymore, and it's been like that for quite some time now, look at the 360, now you can even buy films through Live, kids don't have a credit card.Junior_AIN
Just because adults play with it doesn't mean it's not a toy.
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#9 FlaminNoraa
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Video-games are not toys anymore, and it's been like that for quite some time now, look at the 360, now you can even buy films through Live, kids don't have a credit card.Junior_AIN

That's what parents are for ;). Kids not been able to buy things independently doesn't mean they can't possess them.

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[QUOTE="Junior_AIN"]Video-games are not toys anymore, and it's been like that for quite some time now, look at the 360, now you can even buy films through Live, kids don't have a credit card.Cherokee_Jack
Just because adults play with it doesn't mean it's not a toy.

personally i think that games consoles are toys. i also consider my PC a toy since 95% of the time its used for the purpose of entertainment. my laptop was a toy when i got it but now i use ot for productivity...so its not a toy now. however games themselves are not necessarily toys. some are....but i would also consider them an art form and art in and of themselves. just like some movies. toy doesent neceeasrily mean childish. a high end sports car would also be a toy (what else are u going to call it..a utility vehicle?). ure not going to buy a sports car just to get from A to B and do a bit fo shopping. that would be a complete waste. a sports car is for entertainment....thats why it was built. as i said above..a high end PC that u like to tinker with or play games on would also be a toy.
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Calling a video game console a toy is about the same as calling a Porn film a disney movie. A video game console has lots of adult only games on it, adult only films and so on.

It's not a toy.

CreepyBacon
But a d-1-ldo (stupid censors) is a toy... and so is a sex whip
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#12 kaangonultas
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so atm wii is a rubbish gaming console.
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="Junior_AIN"]Video-games are not toys anymore, and it's been like that for quite some time now, look at the 360, now you can even buy films through Live, kids don't have a credit card.osan0
Just because adults play with it doesn't mean it's not a toy.

personally i think that games consoles are toys. i also consider my PC a toy since 95% of the time its used for the purpose of entertainment. my laptop was a toy when i got it but now i use ot for productivity...so its not a toy now. however games themselves are not necessarily toys. some are....but i would also consider them an art form and art in and of themselves. just like some movies. toy doesent neceeasrily mean childish. a high end sports car would also be a toy (what else are u going to call it..a utility vehicle?). ure not going to buy a sports car just to get from A to B and do a bit fo shopping. that would be a complete waste. a sports car is for entertainment....thats why it was built. as i said above..a high end PC that u like to tinker with or play games on would also be a toy.

I agree that they could be seen as an art form. But the Wii is comparable to the PS3 and 360 in this sense.

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#14 MTBoy
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Games are media, consoles are toys.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm stating it as a fact.

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I consider video games different from toys in the way that games have a point, a winner and a loser. If you are playing with something that doesn't have a winner or a loser or a challenge, then I would consider it a toy. I don't really care what semantic argument you want to use to label my Wii, I will enjoy it no matter what you call it.
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Video-games are not toys anymore, and it's been like that for quite some time now, look at the 360, now you can even buy films through Live, kids don't have a credit card.Junior_AIN
Some do.
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#18 MTBoy
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I consider video games different from toys in the way that games have a point, a winner and a loser. If you are playing with something that doesn't have a winner or a loser or a challenge, then I would consider it a toy. I don't really care what semantic argument you want to use to label my Wii, I will enjoy it no matter what you call it.DaBrainz

So Bey Blades aren't toys anymore? There's a winner and a loser in that... and what about Krazy Bones?

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#19 FlaminNoraa
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[QUOTE="Junior_AIN"]Video-games are not toys anymore, and it's been like that for quite some time now, look at the 360, now you can even buy films through Live, kids don't have a credit card.dotWithShoes
Some do.

Many would argue that kids have nations and nuclear weapons. Well the big kids do... Gordon Brown sits in the corner and gets told off for wasting money.

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[QUOTE="kaangonultas"]so atm wii is a rubbish gaming console.MTBoy

Can you back that up? Or are you just a 12 year old American who plays XBox all day?

nah, im actually 8 and english. but the wii is rubbish because it actually has the least number of quality games. Fairly obvious, isnt it?
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[QUOTE="kaangonultas"]so atm wii is a rubbish gaming console.MTBoy

Can you back that up? Or are you just a 12 year old American who plays XBox all day?

Hooray for stereotyping!
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#22 FlaminNoraa
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[QUOTE="MTBoy"]

[QUOTE="kaangonultas"]so atm wii is a rubbish gaming console.kaangonultas

Can you back that up? Or are you just a 12 year old American who plays XBox all day?

nah, im actually 8 and english. but the wii is rubbish because it actually has the least number of quality games. Fairly obvious, isnt it?

If your 8 then nintendo should have the most number of "quality" games that you are allowed to play.

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[QUOTE="osan0"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Just because adults play with it doesn't mean it's not a toy.FlaminNoraa

personally i think that games consoles are toys. i also consider my PC a toy since 95% of the time its used for the purpose of entertainment. my laptop was a toy when i got it but now i use ot for productivity...so its not a toy now. however games themselves are not necessarily toys. some are....but i would also consider them an art form and art in and of themselves. just like some movies. toy doesent neceeasrily mean childish. a high end sports car would also be a toy (what else are u going to call it..a utility vehicle?). ure not going to buy a sports car just to get from A to B and do a bit fo shopping. that would be a complete waste. a sports car is for entertainment....thats why it was built. as i said above..a high end PC that u like to tinker with or play games on would also be a toy.

I agree that they could be seen as an art form. But the Wii is comparable to the PS3 and 360 in this sense.

yup it certainly is.
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#24 kaangonultas
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No you silly goose i also like to play the so say "mature" titles as well.
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#25 FlaminNoraa
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Maybe not liking the Wii is a thing about masculinity? It seems people would prefer to defend a mature title than a less mature one.
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#26 Hungry_Homer111
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and the ones that are on there are mostly niche.Cherokee_Jack
Yes. And I can see how that can be a bad thing for some people. But for me, that's a great thing. I have a 360 and Wii, and they do completely different things, and do them so well. And I really love the variety that the two of them combined can bring. I wouldn't want to have 2 360s, I want to have a 360 and a Wii.
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[QUOTE="MTBoy"]

[QUOTE="kaangonultas"]so atm wii is a rubbish gaming console.kaangonultas

Can you back that up? Or are you just a 12 year old American who plays XBox all day?

nah, im actually 8 and english. but the wii is rubbish because it actually has the least number of quality games. Fairly obvious, isnt it?

What makes a quality game is personal opinion. So I can easily say the Wii has more quality games than both the 360 and PS3... are you going to tell me my opinion is wrong?
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No, its just that your opinion is irrelevant on this forum. Only GS scores are valid.
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]and the ones that are on there are mostly niche.Hungry_Homer111
Yes. And I can see how that can be a bad thing for some people. But for me, that's a great thing. I have a 360 and Wii, and they do completely different things, and do them so well. And I really love the variety that the two of them combined can bring. I wouldn't want to have 2 360s, I want to have a 360 and a Wii.

The Wii is best used to supplement another platform, yes, but it's not doing that well with its current library. What it really needs is good JRPGs and platformers, and it doesn't have those.
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#30 dotWithShoes
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No, its just that your opinion is irrelevant on this forum. Only GS scores are valid.kaangonultas
Kinda lame come back, imo.
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[QUOTE="Hungry_Homer111"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]and the ones that are on there are mostly niche.Cherokee_Jack
Yes. And I can see how that can be a bad thing for some people. But for me, that's a great thing. I have a 360 and Wii, and they do completely different things, and do them so well. And I really love the variety that the two of them combined can bring. I wouldn't want to have 2 360s, I want to have a 360 and a Wii.

The Wii is best used to supplement another platform, yes, but it's not doing that well with its current library. What it really needs is good JRPGs and platformers, and it doesn't have those.

SMG and de Blob arn't platformers?
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="Hungry_Homer111"] Yes. And I can see how that can be a bad thing for some people. But for me, that's a great thing. I have a 360 and Wii, and they do completely different things, and do them so well. And I really love the variety that the two of them combined can bring. I wouldn't want to have 2 360s, I want to have a 360 and a Wii.dotWithShoes
The Wii is best used to supplement another platform, yes, but it's not doing that well with its current library. What it really needs is good JRPGs and platformers, and it doesn't have those.

SMG and de Blob arn't platformers?

Any others? (Besides Wario)

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[QUOTE="kaangonultas"]No, its just that your opinion is irrelevant on this forum. Only GS scores are valid.dotWithShoes
Kinda lame come back, imo.

But your oppinion doesn't matter! Do the GS scores so that its a lame come back? LOL

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sales do not mean anything. of course, thats the reason assassins creed, prince of persia, grid, COD4 all made it to the DS and not PSP. Wait what did i say?
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] The Wii is best used to supplement another platform, yes, but it's not doing that well with its current library. What it really needs is good JRPGs and platformers, and it doesn't have those.

SMG and de Blob arn't platformers?

Any others?

Super Paper Mario, Sonic Unleashed, Wario Land: Shake It, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Mushroom Men, along with countless platformers on the VC...
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[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="kaangonultas"]No, its just that your opinion is irrelevant on this forum. Only GS scores are valid.FlaminNoraa

Kinda lame come back, imo.

But your oppinion doesn't matter! Do the GS scores so that its a lame come back? LOL

Yes, it was a very lame comeback for him.. point proven by the fact he failed to quote what I said.
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[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"] SMG and de Blob arn't platformers?

Any others?

Super Paper Mario, Sonic Unleashed, Wario Land: Shake It, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Mushroom Men, along with countless platformers on the VC...

The VC doesn't count, and besides Paper Mario and Wario, the others are mediocre.
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Any others?

Super Paper Mario, Sonic Unleashed, Wario Land: Shake It, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Mushroom Men, along with countless platformers on the VC...

The VC doesn't count, and besides Paper Mario and Wario, the others are mediocre.

Why doesn't the VC count? They are platformers and they are playable on the Wii. Since when was SMG mediocre?
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[QUOTE="kaangonultas"]No, its just that your opinion is irrelevant on this forum. Only GS scores are valid.dotWithShoes
Kinda lame come back, imo.

i know its the truth
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[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"] Why doesn't the VC count? They are platformers and they are playable on the Wii. Since when was SMG mediocre?

The VC doesn't count because if I wanted to play old games, I'd buy old systems. I didn't say SMG was mediocre, I said the Sonic games and Mushroom Men were mediocre.
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[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="kaangonultas"]No, its just that your opinion is irrelevant on this forum. Only GS scores are valid.kaangonultas
Kinda lame come back, imo.

i know its the truth

As long as you admit it was a lame comeback, I guess we're good. And you did, so we're good.
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[QUOTE="FlaminNoraa"]

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"] Kinda lame come back, imo. dotWithShoes

But your oppinion doesn't matter! Do the GS scores so that its a lame come back? LOL

My opinion is the only thing that matters to me, saying my opinion is irrelevant on this forum pretty states that this forum is irrelevant to me. And yes, it was a very lame comeback for him.. point proven by the fact he failed to quote what I said.

Sorry. It was a joke in your favour. Irony.

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[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="FlaminNoraa"]

But your oppinion doesn't matter! Do the GS scores so that its a lame come back? LOL

FlaminNoraa

My opinion is the only thing that matters to me, saying my opinion is irrelevant on this forum pretty states that this forum is irrelevant to me. And yes, it was a very lame comeback for him.. point proven by the fact he failed to quote what I said.

Sorry. It was a joke in your favour. Irony.

Tis I who should be sorry for ruining your joke... Annoying day so far. Knew it would be bad when I woke up and had a pain in my neck like no other, did have this awesome Dead Rising like dream.. Gotta love Zombies :) I think perhaps I'll edit my post and to just say it was a lame comeback :for him.

Grrrr GameStop, my HTML is well formed.

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[QUOTE="FlaminNoraa"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"] My opinion is the only thing that matters to me, saying my opinion is irrelevant on this forum pretty states that this forum is irrelevant to me. And yes, it was a very lame comeback for him.. point proven by the fact he failed to quote what I said.dotWithShoes

Sorry. It was a joke in your favour. Irony.

Tis I who should be sorry for ruining your joke... Annoying day so far. Knew it would be bad when I woke up and had a pain in my neck like no other, did have this awesome Dead Rising like dream.. Gotta love Zombies :) I think perhaps I'll edit my post and to just say it was a lame comeback :for him.

Grrrr GameStop, my HTML is well formed.

Still; We held our own against an 8 year old! High Five!

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#45 FlaminNoraa
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No, its just that your opinion is irrelevant on this forum. Only GS scores are valid.kaangonultas

GS is a company and therefore it will try and use its scores to appeal to it's target market. Which is probably more PS3 and XBOX 360 owners than Wii owners.

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They have all these kiddie games on the system... and, thing is, they're not even fun kiddy games like we used to get with the N64 (Donkey Kong 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario 64). Now, these Nintendo games are just...boring.
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They have all these kiddie games on the system... and, thing is, they're not even fun kiddy games like we used to get with the N64 (Donkey Kong 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario 64). Now, these Nintendo games are just...boring.awmannn
Metroid Prime 3 and Twilight Princess are boring and kiddy?