The times they are a-changin'

I remember when I first started lurking on System Wars around the time Xbox/GC were released. It was around this time that we saw the popularity in FPS explode into the market. These FPS games were considered hardcore games that offered competitive multiplayer (Halo, CSS, Unreal Tournament, etc.) and required lots of skill to be good at.
However, sports games were considered casual, recycled, rehashed garbage.

I feel like the two genres have swapped places. I'm a gamer that enjoys a variety of genres so I don't believe I'm that biased. I strongly believe that the sports genre offers more depth, skill, and competition than any modern day FPS (yes, even Battlefield 3).

See, while FPS offer slightly upgraded games year after year (that use the same graphics engine, but offer a new albeit short campaign, some maps, and a few new guns/game modes), it's understood that for the most part, the FPS genre is an oversaturated rehashed genre of the same sequels coming out year after year. Sports games, however, aim to change their core gameplay year after year. I can't speak for every game, but as a huge NHL fan, the NHL series delivers innovation every entry. This year, upgraded AI, physics, game modes, better controls, etc. Every time I pick up a new NHL game, I'm impressed by how the core gameplay is always a bit different and requires a lot of time to master the new features. On the other hand, when I pick up a new CoD game, I instantly start playing as if it's the exact same game from last year; the gameplay is never modified very much.

TL;DR = Sports games are now more innovative, require more skill and have more depth in controls and gameplay, than modern day FPS offer.

..........nope.avi

Sports games, however, aim to change their core gameplay year after year.Trinexxx

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Trinexxx"]Sports games, however, aim to change their core gameplay year after year.Trinexxx

I agree with some of what you say. People are still prejudiced against sports game though. However one can't say that FPS today are harder than they were before.

FIFA alone has a lot of depth, and I still can't believe the level of extreme adiction some have.

I agree with some of what you say. People are still prejudiced against sports game though. However one can't say that FPS today are harder than they were before.

FIFA alone has a lot of depth, and I still can't believe the level of extreme adiction some have.

Masculus

I agree on Fifa but any other sports game?? I don't think so.

I agree with some of what you say. People are still prejudiced against sports game though. However one can't say that FPS today are harder than they were before.

FIFA alone has a lot of depth, and I still can't believe the level of extreme adiction some have.

Masculus

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

I agree with some of what you say. People are still prejudiced against sports game though. However one can't say that FPS today are harder than they were before.

FIFA alone has a lot of depth, and I still can't believe the level of extreme adiction some have.

Cheesehead9099

TL;DR = Sports games are now more innovative, require more skill and have more depth in controls and gameplay, than modern day FPS offer.

Trinexxx

No offense TC, but this thread is kind of bad. You obviously don't play many FPS games to make this kind of judgement.DragonfireXZ95

Check both my gamertag (Yapster) and steam profile. That only shows recent gens though, I grew up playing Wolfenstein/DOOM/Quake/Half-Life, so nice try. I think a lot of System Wars just isn't into sports, thus my argument is invalid among them. If you knew how much strategy goes into adjusting lines, changing your defence/offense/break-out strategies on the fly (meaning you're still playing), doing offense and defence line changes on the fly, not taking penalties but creating chances, etc. The sports genre takes so much mental skill, especially when you are top 100 in the world; the leaderboards on NHL are great and really competitive.

So everyone dismissing this thread, you seem to just not enjoy sports, or EA dropped the ball on your preferred sport (although they usually do a great job), or you own a Wii/PC (those ports are bound to be terrible). GG System Wars.

[QUOTE="Trinexxx"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]No offense TC, but this thread is kind of bad. You obviously don't play many FPS games to make this kind of judgement.BrunoBRS

Check both my gamertag (Yapster) and steam profile. That only shows recent gens though, I grew up playing Wolfenstein/DOOM/Quake/Half-Life, so nice try. I think a lot of System Wars just isn't into sports, thus my argument is invalid among them. If you knew how much strategy goes into adjusting lines, changing your defence/offense/break-out strategies on the fly (meaning you're still playing), doing offense and defence line changes on the fly, not taking penalties but creating chances, etc. The sports genre takes so much mental skill, especially when you are top 100 in the world; the leaderboards on NHL are great and really competitive.

So everyone dismissing this thread, you seem to just not enjoy sports, or EA dropped the ball on your preferred sport (although they usually do a great job), or you own a Wii/PC (those ports are bound to be terrible). GG System Wars.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Trinexxx"]

Check both my gamertag (Yapster) and steam profile. That only shows recent gens though, I grew up playing Wolfenstein/DOOM/Quake/Half-Life, so nice try. I think a lot of System Wars just isn't into sports, thus my argument is invalid among them. If you knew how much strategy goes into adjusting lines, changing your defence/offense/break-out strategies on the fly (meaning you're still playing), doing offense and defence line changes on the fly, not taking penalties but creating chances, etc. The sports genre takes so much mental skill, especially when you are top 100 in the world; the leaderboards on NHL are great and really competitive.

So everyone dismissing this thread, you seem to just not enjoy sports, or EA dropped the ball on your preferred sport (although they usually do a great job), or you own a Wii/PC (those ports are bound to be terrible). GG System Wars.

Trinexxx

As a NHL EA fan, I dissagree. I used to pay each year NHL since 93 for almost the same game full price... which I deeply regret doing.

Sports games did get alot better, they are way more technical... but from year to year... there's no OMG!!!THISYEARSITSGOTY!!!! I've stopped geting excited when they introduced the salary cap feature and dynasty.

[QUOTE="Trinexxx"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] "people are disagreeing with me, there's bound to be something handicapping their view! why else would they not see how amazing and superior sports games are?"Bebi_vegeta

As a NHL EA fan, I dissagree. I used to pay each year NHL since 93 for almost the same game full price... which I deeply regret doing.

Sports games did get alot better, they are way more technical... but from year to year... there's no OMG!!!THISYEARSITSGOTY!!!! I've stopped geting excited when they introduced the salary cap feature and dynasty.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Trinexxx"] I just posted a legitimate argument and that is your response to it. Keep up the good work. And just to clarify, this thread is directed more towards the FPS that launch every other year/every year that are multiplayer oriented. I put out some valid points on why sports games require more skill and have more depth, yet you don't acknowledge any of it so what's the point. Trinexxx

As a NHL EA fan, I dissagree. I used to pay each year NHL since 93 for almost the same game full price... which I deeply regret doing.

Sports games did get alot better, they are way more technical... but from year to year... there's no OMG!!!THISYEARSITSGOTY!!!! I've stopped geting excited when they introduced the salary cap feature and dynasty.

Yes, that's exaclty what be a player is, yet for single player...

Their just combining simulator feautres and RPG style features. You can't say they haven't done the same thing for FPS.

It's like all these features, they could of implemented way back then... but their just taking one step at a time.

The mainstream FPS genre has fallen pretty low of late, but it would need to start digging very deep to become as abysmally uninnovative as sports games.

fps and sports games are in the big battle of teh hardcor3edness?

what? where am i? is this a dream?

Without a doubt the FPS genre is the new casual gaming genre.

The mainstream FPS genre has fallen pretty low of late, but it would need to start digging very deep to become as abysmally uninnovative as sports games.

milannoir

And you think every sports game are innovative...

They're still boring.

They're still boring.

Lto_thaG

Not wen you're playing with a friend with a dozen guys behind both of ya'll watching, commenting, acting like how friends act. 5 - 10 hours fly really fast in that atmosphere. Trust me, try it sometimes, it basically captures the essence of what gaming has always ben, and multiplies it by tenfold.

Sports games are best played in a group, not online, but at the same place, playing it online alone/playing it alone is horrible - that's why i don't criticize people that bash on them, they most likely never experienced my way to play a sports game.

i agree...

being good at a sports game like nba 2k10 takes more skill than fps..

nba jam even takes more skill i think..

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

They're still boring.

Lucianu

Not wen you're playing with a friend with a dozen guys behind both of ya'll watching, commenting, acting like how friends act. 5 - 10 hours fly really fast in that atmosphere. Trust me, try it sometimes, it basically captures the essence of what gaming has always ben, and multiplies it by tenfold.

Sports games are best played in a group, not online, but at the same place, playing it online alone/playing it alone is horrible - that's why i don't criticize people that bash on them, they most likely never experienced my way to play a sports game.

I have.It still doesn't capture my interest.The only sports games I like are the extreme ones.

SSX Tricky,NBA Street,...The serious ones?Nah.

Lto_thaG

Damn, you're taste in games doesn't coincide at all with mine sometimes. I like playing in groups - sports, shumps, fighting games, stuff like that at least once a week with the guys in my neibourhood. That atmosphere is one of the reasons i live for.

Damn, you're taste in games doesn't coincide at all with mine sometimes. I like playing in groups - sports, shumps, fighting games, stuff like that at least once a week with the guys in my neibourhood. That atmosphere is one of the reasons i live for.

Lucianu

I lol'd so hard I nearly fell out of my chair.

Sports games are more innovative and take more skill?

lolno

For some reason this thread made me think of Pokemon :P

I lol'd so hard I nearly fell out of my chair.

Sports games are more innovative and take more skill?

lolno

DarkLink77

do fighters take more skill than fps?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I lol'd so hard I nearly fell out of my chair.

Sports games are more innovative and take more skill?

lolno

KBFloYd

do fighters take more skill than fps?

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I lol'd so hard I nearly fell out of my chair.

Sports games are more innovative and take more skill?

lolno

DarkLink77

do fighters take more skill than fps?

which fps takes the most skill?

which fighter takes the most skill?

does the highest skill shooter take more skill than the highest skill fighter?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

do fighters take more skill than fps?

KBFloYd

which fps takes the most skill?

which fighter takes the most skill?

does the highest skill shooter take more skill than the highest skill fighter?

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Depends on the fighter and the FPS honestly.Birdy09

which fps takes the most skill?

which fighter takes the most skill?

does the highest skill shooter take more skill than the highest skill fighter?

There isn't any... I think that was his point.

5v5 league Counter-Strike > any sports video game ever. Change isn't what drives games to be competitive, solid baseline mechanics do that. Look at games like CS and Starcraft. The reason they become popular competitive games is because of a solid foundation that stays relatively the same.

which fps takes the most skill?

which fighter takes the most skill?

does the highest skill shooter take more skill than the highest skill fighter?

KBFloYd

It really depends on so many things. For example, in PC first person shooters you can master accuraccy by using the device that is most suited, a mouse/kb combo. But accuraccy is not the only skill needed in those games. Knowledge of the map itself, teamwork, problem solving if your in a tight spot, etc. And the emphasis of these also depend on what type of first person shooter you're playing. I bet a experienced team would know far more about these things.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

which fps takes the most skill?

which fighter takes the most skill?

does the highest skill shooter take more skill than the highest skill fighter?

Lucianu

It really depends on so many things. For example, in PC first person shooters you can master accuraccy by using the device that is most suited, a mouse/kb combo. But accuraccy is not the only skill needed in those games. Knowledge of the map itself, teamwork, problem solving if your in a tight spot, etc. And the emphasis of these also depend on what type of first person shooter you're playing. I bet a experienced team would know far more about these things.

so...do fps take more skill than fighters?

how about tc's question.. do sports games take more skill than fps?

so...do fps take more skill than fighters?

how about tc's question.. do sports games take more skill than fps?

KBFloYd

No way. That's like asking me if baseball takes more skill than bowling. Both encompasses different skills.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

so...do fps take more skill than fighters?

how about tc's question.. do sports games take more skill than fps?

Lucianu

No way. That's like asking me if baseball takes more skill than bowling. Both encompasses different skills.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

so...do fps take more skill than fighters?

how about tc's question.. do sports games take more skill than fps?

BrunoBRS

No way. That's like asking me if baseball takes more skill than bowling. Both encompasses different skills.