The True Innovation of Halo 3

First and foremost i'd like to keep this short and concise while also adding all the points i'd like to make.

Also if any of the points i'm making have already been made, please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Any constructive critisism is appreciated. but to the point:

I'm wondering if any of the cows, sheep, or hermits are aware of the saved film function. (for users unaware please click this)

Anyway, i've got a few questions to ask anyone who is willing to answer.

1. Don't you think the saved film feature is a new feature in videogames? if not what other game has used it before?

2. Wouldnt you like other games to implement this feature? if yes, for both campain and multiplayer?

3. Don't you think its cool to re-watch your games?

I guess the real thing i'm trying to say is that so many people bash halo 3 for just being 'Halo 2.5' or just being a rehash. When infact, the new saved film feature is(to my knowledge) a completely new feature in videogaming. I'm aware many blind fanboys will say the saved film feature is worthless, tacked on, or maybe even a stupid idea. But as a Halo 3 beta player i can safely say i enjoyed using the (watered down version of the) saved film feature. infact Saved films will revolutionize machinima as we know it.

so please, i don't want to point fingers but i'm mainly talking to cows, sheep and hermits. (obviously) Don't call halo 3 a rehash. Bungie may not be revolutionizing the FPS genre, but they are adding something in Halo 3 that i think may revolutionize videogames in general.

/rant

1.) It's basically just a replay, so no. A lot of RTS's have it.

2.) Yes, it needs to be in more games.

3.) Yes, it is cool.

You mean the same as the instant replay thats been in racers and sports games for years?pundog

can you free roam in the racers?

also i guess i didnt make it clear. i'm talking about action games. but you do breing up a very good counter argument.

Hmm. What about the very similar feature in Battlefield 2xxx?Vortexx

i'm unaware of that. do you mean battlefield 2142? never bought the game. my friendss did though and theyve never mentioned saved films.

Hmm. What about the very similar feature in Battlefield 2xxx?Vortexx

Isn't that great. Halo 3 will be so much better with more features.

Replay :?Armored_cell

It is a lot more than just a Replay.

i guess i'm just oblivious to the whats been happening in video games. ive never had an option in any video game (save for racers) to save my previous accomplishments in film form.

i guess it's because i'm a console gamer.

Replay :?Armored_cell

also, the saved film feature has free roam capabilities, rewind, ff, pause (other basic stuff) but its far more than just a replay. the only proper way i know to describe it is as an interactive replay.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]Replay :?PS3_3DO

It is a lot more than just a Replay.

Halo 2 was a huge disappointment to me and left a sour taste in my mouth at the "end" (I was hoping that some obvious plot-holes would actually get explained toward the end of the game, such as Gravemind (I was one of the few that actually caught his name when mentioned offhand in the middle of that firefight by Cortana). Lo and behold, not only was I surprised that nothing got explained, but that there was no ending! Bungie had the last laugh didn't they? Har har!

I don't want "teh innovation" in Halo 3, I just want a repeat of the Solid Single-player mode in Halo CE. I don't want features thrown in for the sake of being novel. Halo CE had a single player experience to rival that of Half-Life. Bungie should just take out the "3" and replace it with "Arena" if Halo 3 is a repeat of 2.

Ever heard of starcraft?Bebi_vegeta

i've heard of starcraft, never actually played it. i'm afraid it was before my time. (as a gamer that is)

i'm only 19 and didnt start gaming till the ps1 days.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Ever heard of starcraft?sensesxfail

i've heard of starcraft, never actually played it. i'm afraid it was before my time. (as a gamer that is)

i'm only 19 and didnt start gaming till the ps1 days.

So you never played the original mario game either?

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]Replay :?Armored_cell

It is a lot more than just a Replay.

I am going to wait for the Price Cut.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]Replay :?PS3_3DO

It is a lot more than just a Replay.

I am going to wait for the Price Cut.

First and foremost i'd like to keep this short and concise while also adding all the points i'd like to make.

Also if any of the points i'm making have already been made, please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Any constructive critisism is appreciated. but to the point:

I'm wondering if any of the cows, sheep, or hermits are aware of the saved film function. (for users unaware please click this)

Anyway, i've got a few questions to ask anyone who is willing to answer.

1. Don't you think the saved film feature is a new feature in videogames? if not what other game has used it before?

2. Wouldnt you like other games to implement this feature? if yes, for both campain and multiplayer?

3. Don't you think its cool to re-watch your games?

I guess the real thing i'm trying to say is that so many people bash halo 3 for just being 'Halo 2.5' or just being a rehash. When infact, the new saved film feature is(to my knowledge) a completely new feature in videogaming. I'm aware many blind fanboys will say the saved film feature is worthless, tacked on, or maybe even a stupid idea. But as a Halo 3 beta player i can safely say i enjoyed using the (watered down version of the) saved film feature. infact Saved films will revolutionize machinima as we know it.

so please, i don't want to point fingers but i'm mainly talking to cows, sheep and hermits. (obviously) Don't call halo 3 a rehash. Bungie may not be revolutionizing the FPS genre, but they are adding something in Halo 3 that i think may revolutionize videogames in general.

/rant

sensesxfail

innovate? :lol: its just what racers had had for years and is noting special. halo 3 is a s much of a rehash as madden

[QUOTE="sensesxfail"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Ever heard of starcraft?Bebi_vegeta

i've heard of starcraft, never actually played it. i'm afraid it was before my time. (as a gamer that is)

i'm only 19 and didnt start gaming till the ps1 days.

So you never played the original mario game either?

i've played an old mario game on the original gameboy and i've played mario on the NES and SNES. sadly i never owned either system. anyway this isnt about mario. tell me more about this saved film in starcraft, how is it similar to halo 3s feature?

innovate? :lol: its just what racers had had for years and is noting special. halo 3 is a s much of a rehash as madden

imprezawrx500

like ive said before, can you free roam in racers? also as i've stated earlier 'it's a good counter argument to mine.'

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="sensesxfail"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Ever heard of starcraft?sensesxfail

i've heard of starcraft, never actually played it. i'm afraid it was before my time. (as a gamer that is)

i'm only 19 and didnt start gaming till the ps1 days.

So you never played the original mario game either?

i've played an old mario game on the original gameboy and i've played mario on the NES and SNES. sadly i never owned either system. anyway this isnt about mario. tell me more about this saved film in starcraft, how is it similar to halo 3s feature?

You save the replay from start to end... you can follow each players strategie.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]Replay :?PS3_3DO

It is a lot more than just a Replay.

like how? allowing other player to view it doesn't make it a lot more than a replay

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]Replay :?imprezawrx500

It is a lot more than just a Replay.

like how? allowing other player to view it doesn't make it a lot more than a replay

Yes it does, it makes it a user created video.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

innovate? :lol: its just what racers had had for years and is noting special. halo 3 is a s much of a rehash as madden

sensesxfail

like ive said before, can you free roam in racers? also as i've stated earlier 'it's a good counter argument to mine.'

yes, ever heard of nfs? and sport games you can rewind a lot of the match and view it again and save it.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]Replay :?imprezawrx500

It is a lot more than just a Replay.

like how? allowing other player to view it doesn't make it a lot more than a replay

Yes it does and I believe you can send it to a friend who has Halo 3 and he can watch it on his 360.

as far as i'm concerned the saved film feature is a great idea and i'm glad bungie is going to implemnet it. people have been comparing it to racing games. but its completely different from them. i'm looking at this from a machinima point of view as well. it will now be extremely easy to make machinima.

even if people say this is not an new idea, cant you atleast agree you'd like to see your favorite first person shooter have this feature? (killzone, haze, crysis, bioshock)

I love Halo 3, and the saved films are good. But not THAT good. I hardly even bothered watching other people's movies - I don't really care much about them. Forza 2 has full flyaround, so you can move around your car or any other car on the tracks, at any angle, take photographs, blur the scenery, etc etc. Forza 2 has, in my opnion, the best saved replay feature I've ever seen.RDS_Phoenix

yeah but the betas saved film was all watered down. the fully loaded one will come with halo 3 on sept 25th.

i guess i'm just oblivious to the whats been happening in video games. ive never had an option in any video game (save for racers) to save my previous accomplishments in film form.

i guess it's because i'm a console gamer.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]Replay :?sensesxfail

also, the saved film feature has free roam capabilities, rewind, ff, pause (other basic stuff) but its far more than just a replay. the only proper way i know to describe it is as an interactive replay.

u remind me of the xbox fanboys that thought being able to mute a players mic in halo 3 was a new and brillaint idea

[QUOTE="sensesxfail"]

i guess i'm just oblivious to the whats been happening in video games. ive never had an option in any video game (save for racers) to save my previous accomplishments in film form.

i guess it's because i'm a console gamer.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]Replay :?xxgunslingerxx

also, the saved film feature has free roam capabilities, rewind, ff, pause (other basic stuff) but its far more than just a replay. the only proper way i know to describe it is as an interactive replay.

u remind me of the xbox fanboys that thought being able to mute a players mic in halo 3 was a new and brillaint idea

wow thanks. i'm glad i'm being insulted. you remind me of something too. :P

I think one innovation people don't realize that in Halo 2 you had no health meter. So alot of games now use the no health meter - just duck, hide, cover to get your health back now. Bungie did say that this Saved Film feature was just an early stage. So I don't really consider it just a replay feature. I have a feeling people will use this feature and make mini-movies like those Red Vs Blue guys.

I think one innovation people don't realize that in Halo 2 you had no health meter. So alot of games now use the no health meter - just duck, hide, cover to get your health back now. Bungie did say that this Saved Film feature was just an early stage. So I don't really consider it just a replay feature. I have a feeling people will use this feature and make mini-movies like those Red Vs Blue guys.

ReverseCycology

yeah gears of war, splintercell DA, and rainbow six: vegas are all games that do that too. and i agree with you on the RvB thing.

Halo 2 did have a health meter. It was just rechargable after 5 seconds, but it was still a health meter.

And sensesxfail - I know it was watered down, but in the real one what is added apart from rewind, ff, pause, stuff like that? I like it being there for ousting cheaters, otherwise it's largely pointless. But of course, anything Bungie does is a 'revolution'... Just make us a god damn good game, deal with the extra crap when you get the basics right Bungie. And this is coming from a Halo lover. I want a tasty cake before you put the icing on it.

Halo 2 did have a health meter. It was just rechargable after 5 seconds, but it was still a health meter.

And sensesxfail - I know it was watered down, but in the real one what is added apart from rewind, ff, pause, stuff like that? I like it being there for ousting cheaters, otherwise it's largely pointless. But of course, anything Bungie does is a 'revolution'... Just make us a god damn good game, deal with the extra crap when you get the basics right Bungie. And this is coming from a Halo lover. I want a tasty cake before you put the icing on it.

RDS_Phoenix

It's an over shield. I was trying to make a point that Halo 2 didn't really have a health meter which meant they didn't have health packets scattered all over the levels. And I think that was pretty innovative.

I do agree with you, Halo 2 did some new stuff that changed the way we play all sorts of games. Halo 3, as of yet, has nothing that will revolutionise anything. It might be a damn good game, but not a single part of it is NEW.

I do agree with you, Halo 2 did some new stuff that changed the way we play all sorts of games. Halo 3, as of yet, has nothing that will revolutionise anything. It might be a damn good game, but not a single part of it is NEW.

RDS_Phoenix

How about, new vehicles and weapons that havent even been shown yet. There may be some innovative weapons.

Also lets not forget the whole equipment idea thats pretty new, dropping a bubble shield, or mine...

Also 4 player Coop, this will be the first FPS to do that...

And who knows what else is in the single player.

1. Don't you think the saved film feature is a new feature in videogames? if not what other game has used it before?

Not new at all. Tons of pc game have had some sort of replay function for a long time(recording demos, which most fps had bak in the day for title screens). Driv3r is a console game that has it, with tons of camera tools(and you can share your vids via live)

2. Wouldnt you like other games to implement this feature? if yes, for both campaign and multiplayer?

Yes.

3. Don't you think its cool to re-watch your games?

Yes, it'sneato, especially with the ability to set up camera angles and such.

XD! So how many Xbox 360s can actually do this with their core system?

Microsoft - "There is this saved film feature in the game, but you'd have to buy a new 360 with an HDD! Of course, expect to soon anyways because we're gonna break your core system!"

This feature is similar to what many sports and rts games have!

But i would like to see this feature appear in more action games b/c its very cool!!

meh, Halo 3 is the Zelda TP of this yearSwift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]meh, Halo 3 is the Zelda TP of this year11Marcel

I'm saying Gamespot wise