The Way System Wars is going

Sony comes out with a PS3 with a 60gb HDD and HDMI, and WiFi

MS says it isn't important. Then they come out with the Elite, HDMI and 120GB HDD.

Sony comes out with an 80GB and 40GB PS3s, MS drops price of 360 and puts HDMI on all versions.

MS supposedly planning a 360 elite, 320GB HDD, HD DVD Playback, HDMI, WiFi (all rumors)

Sony would of course counter this with a new PS3 Sku to not look like they're falling behind. Plus, their system wouldn't any lower price than $400. While MS hits $300, and presumably with a HD DVD add on, bigger HDD, and WiFi it might skyrocket from $350 back up to $400 or $500.

All this. Sony and MS focusing on hardware. Thinking it will increase sales, and that the third parties will come and put up a lounge chair in their respective war rooms.

All this time Fatal Frame 4*, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Young King and the Promised Land*, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers*, Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Terror*, No More Heroes*, Manhunt 2, Bully: Scholarship Edition, Okami*, Monster Hunter 3*, Spore, Civilization, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Alone in the Dark 5, Tales of Symphonia 2*, Opoona*, NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams*, Samba De Amigo

Are all games that are surprisingly coming out as multiplats on the Wii, or are full blown Wii exclusives(marked with a *)

Okami is only playable on 1 of the 2 PS3s on the market.

Anyway, the Wii is passing both these companies' consoles. With roughly 17 million Wii owners satisfied with Wii Fit, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Resident Evil 4, Super Paper Mario, The Godfather, Zack & Wiki, Battalion Wars 2, Guitar Hero 3, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams.

So, while these two are fighting each other, undoubtely they are letting the console wars slip away.

They feed us this nonsensical "we're not competing with Nintendo" coz they don't want to let people know they're getting their *** handed to them by Nintendo.

What matters is the games, and Wii has the GOTY 2007, and also the 2006 GOTY (from many other sites and mags made TP their GOTY, not GameSpot though)

I'm not saying one is better than the other right now, I'm saying before MS and Sony know it sequels to Grand Theft Auto, BioShock, Assassin's Creed, Condemned,Half Life,these types of former 360/PS3 only games will head to the Wii in need of severly reduced production costs, and possibly raised profits.

I'm not saying it will happen but if every company repeats this last years sales this year

Then developers will have to choose from 34 million customers, 16 million customers, or 20 million customers.

Which one do they choose?

MS and Sony need to address this or this generation will be over long before they see its half way point.

You really think Wii has better games than 360 because Gamespot gave one of them GOTY? You really think developers want to work with the Wii? You really think the multiple million sellers on the 360 are meaningless? JiveT

Fanboys don't like facing King Nintendo has once again taken over the throne. And they will be there for the forseeable future.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]You really think Wii has better games than 360 because Gamespot gave one of them GOTY? You really think developers want to work with the Wii? You really think the multiple million sellers on the 360 are meaningless? UssjTrunks

the 360 destroys the Wii in software sales.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]You really think Wii has better games than 360 because Gamespot gave one of them GOTY? You really think developers want to work with the Wii? You really think the multiple million sellers on the 360 are meaningless? UssjTrunks

Yes, they have flocked to them, only problem is they are still bearing gifts of mini-games, casual fare, and shovelware.

If the Wii wants me to take it more seriously, it needs more great games, and Nintendo needs to start pushing devs to take the system seriously.

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"][QUOTE="JiveT"]You really think Wii has better games than 360 because Gamespot gave one of them GOTY? You really think developers want to work with the Wii? You really think the multiple million sellers on the 360 are meaningless? SpruceCaboose

Yes, they have flocked to them, only problem is they are still bearing gifts of mini-games, casual fare, and shovelware.

If the Wii wants me to take it more seriously, it needs more great games, and Nintendo needs to start pushing devs to take the system seriously.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"][QUOTE="JiveT"]You really think Wii has better games than 360 because Gamespot gave one of them GOTY? You really think developers want to work with the Wii? You really think the multiple million sellers on the 360 are meaningless? Heil68

Yes, they have flocked to them, only problem is they are still bearing gifts of mini-games, casual fare, and shovelware.

If the Wii wants me to take it more seriously, it needs more great games, and Nintendo needs to start pushing devs to take the system seriously.

I doubt it too, but I hope they do. I don't like only getting a few great Ninty games a year to play on the Wii. Some good 3rd party games to round out the year would be great.

PS360 is going to continue to be a safe place for third parties to put high production games on.(the ones most of us crave)Theyhave a good chance ofselling , they know that.

The Wii is going to be in this weird position for them ...... they don't know what will work and what won't. They don't know how to compete with Nintendo's top games with the Wii's demographic being what it is with an enormous uber casual/non-gamer base it is going to be tough because they will likely just chase that group. I think they will continue to experiment with games that don't cost a lot of money to make and as a result the games probably won't be up to snuff compared to the other systems.

The best you can hope for is that some of the Japanese companies put a few of theirmore artistic looking games on the Wiilike Dragon Quest , Kingdom Hearts , and maybe a serious FF game.

PS360 is going to continue to be a safe place for third parties to put high production games on.(the ones most of us crave)Theyhave a good chance ofselling , they know that.

The Wii is going to be in this weird position for them ...... they don't know what will work and what won't. They don't know how to compete with Nintendo's top games with the Wii's demographic being what it is with an enormous uber casual/non-gamer base it is going to be tough because they will likely just chase that group. I think they will continue to experiment with games that don't cost a lot of money to make and as a result the games probably won't be up to snuff compared to the other systems.

The best you can hope for is that some of the Japanese companies put a few of theirmore artistic looking games on the Wiilike Dragon Quest , Kingdom Hearts , and maybe a serious FF game.

Nike_Air

On that note, I would like to throw this out there. With the Wiimote as a pointer, Final Fantasy Tactics-like Tactical RPGs would do very well on the system, and FFTA on the GBA showed that there is an audience for those games on a Ninty system.

*snip*

All this. Sony and MS focusing on hardware. Thinking it will increase sales, and that the third parties will come and put up a lounge chair in their respective war rooms.

All this time Fatal Frame 4*, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Young King and the Promised Land*, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers*, Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Terror*, No More Heroes*, Manhunt 2, Bully: Scholarship Edition, Okami*, Monster Hunter 3*, Spore, Civilization, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Alone in the Dark 5, Tales of Symphonia 2*, Opoona*, NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams*, Samba De Amigo

Are all games that are surprisingly coming out as multiplats on the Wii, or are full blown Wii exclusives(marked with a *)

Okami is only playable on 1 of the 2 PS3s on the market.darth-pyschosis

Also the PS2 suddenly stopped existing.

I guess the ridiculous amount of high quality multiplatform titles sheep will be missing out on don't count either. Brutal Legend, Burnout Paradise, GTAIV, Condemned 2, Mafia 2, Prototype etc.

And games like Alone in the Dark and Force Unleashed, which rely heavily on graphics and physics aren't afterthoughts at all and won't be dumbed down piece of crap ports. Wouldn't be surprised if they're ports of the PS2-versions.

Furthermore I guess the fact that 360 software outsold PS3 and Wii software combined and the attach rate is many times higher doesn't matter.

What matters is the games, and Wii has the GOTY 2007, and also the 2006 GOTY (from many other sites and mags made TP their GOTY, not GameSpot though)

darth-pyschosis

Who cares if Super Mario Galaxy won GOTY when the title of the award is true in more senses than one? Quality matters, but so does quantity. The 360 has both. Nintendo pretty much only have their own old tired franchises.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]You really think Wii has better games than 360 because Gamespot gave one of them GOTY? You really think developers want to work with the Wii? You really think the multiple million sellers on the 360 are meaningless? UssjTrunks

In terms of shovelware and cheap ports, yes.

I'm not saying one is better than the other right now, I'm saying before MS and Sony know it sequels to Grand Theft Auto, BioShock, Assassin's Creed, Condemned,Half Life,these types of former 360/PS3 only games will head to the Wii in need of severly reduced production costs, and possibly raised profits.darth-pyschosis

LOL, noooooooope.

PS360 is going to continue to be a safe place for third parties to put high production games on.(the ones most of us crave)Theyhave a good chance ofselling , they know that.

The Wii is going to be in this weird position for them ...... they don't know what will work and what won't. They don't know how to compete with Nintendo's top games with the Wii's demographic being what it is with an enormous uber casual/non-gamer base it is going to be tough because they will likely just chase that group. I think they will continue to experiment with games that don't cost a lot of money to make and as a result the games probably won't be up to snuff compared to the other systems.

The best you can hope for is that some of the Japanese companies put a few of theirmore artistic looking games on the Wiilike Dragon Quest , Kingdom Hearts , and maybe a serious FF game.

Nike_Air

Huh, I was odly astonished when you said that the best we can hope for are some Japanese companies making some games for the Wii, yet all the games you mentioned are from one company only.