The Wii hasn't won this gen (yet) ;)

Theres still a lot of time left until the next gen, so, PS3 and 360 I wish you good luck ;).

it has actuallyvicmackey39

more like fanboy thinks he has won already.

it has actuallyvicmackey39

This gen is over? Really?

The 360 could gain a large amount of the Wii's market if the Newton is real, and since they have the new Banjo and Viva Pinata games coming out this year. And if they drop the price in time for the holiday season. Then Gears 2 and Fable 2 hit the holiday seasion (Both have sold over 2 million copies.), could be great for the 360.

Though the PS3 could have a huge hit with LBP, and MGS4 will sell a huge chunk of cash. Then we have the Resistance 2/ Killzone 2 combo punch. (Resistance 2 and Gears 2 battle it out, then Killzone 2 goes unchallenged by any other 360 game for its release date.)

What do you mean by "won?"

Won in sales? I think it's pretty safe to say the Wii has won that department handily.

Won in games? Not. Even. Close.

I still don't understand why it hasn't overwhelmed the other two in amount of quality games like the PS2 did, usually with such high sales comes a large volume of awesome games. That being said, the Wii is in last place in overall number of AAA's and AA's, it's really odd.

So, the Wii is either winning or losing depending on how you look at it. Personally, I have no interest in sales numbers, so "meh" to that victory. I have little interest in game ratings either, but it is more interesting than plain old sales numbers at least... at least you can play games.

Wii = won

DS= won

All that is left is to fight over second for the console race.

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]it has actuallyGARRYTH

more like fanboy thinks he has won already.

It's been 2.5 years since the generation started, and likely only another 2.5 years before the next one begins. Not only that, but momentum usually follows the performance for the first year or two, which means the Wii will likely keep on growing, while the 360, which slowed down last year, will likely keep on slowing. The PS3 is as yet an uncertainty as to whether it will exceed the 360 by the generation's end, but the Wii is this generation's winner beyond a shadow of a doubt, at least in terms of sales and impact.

What do you mean by "won?"

Won in sales? I think it's pretty safe to say the Wii has won that department handily.

Won in games? Not. Even. Close.

I still don't understand why it hasn't overwhelmed the other two in amount of quality games like the PS2 did, usually with such high sales comes a large volume of awesome games. That being said, the Wii is in last place in overall number of AAA's and AA's, it's really odd.

So, the Wii is either winning or losing depending on how you look at it. Personally, I have no interest in sales numbers, so "meh" to that victory. I have little interest in game ratings either, but it is more interesting than plain old sales numbers at least... at least you can play games.

LazySilvergun

the reason that sales should decide the winner is that you cannot argue sales, unlike games.

games are purely subjective, one person might like a game, while another person hates that same game. its very argumentative to decide a "winner" by something so subjective.

thats why it makes sense to use sales, since you simply cannot argue that

1) There is no definite "winner" of 'this gen' so it is futile to keep arguing for one console as the winner.

2) The Wii has surpassed GameCube sales, so even if the Wii doesn't "win" so to speak it is still a success for Nintendo, especially considering the immense profit Nintendo makes on each console (relative to the amount of money the other console makers get from each console).

Yeah it's not over yet...

... but thinking that 360-PS3 will catch up to Wii is just really wishful thinknig. There's a small chance but...

[QUOTE="LazySilvergun"]

What do you mean by "won?"

Won in sales? I think it's pretty safe to say the Wii has won that department handily.

Won in games? Not. Even. Close.

I still don't understand why it hasn't overwhelmed the other two in amount of quality games like the PS2 did, usually with such high sales comes a large volume of awesome games. That being said, the Wii is in last place in overall number of AAA's and AA's, it's really odd.

So, the Wii is either winning or losing depending on how you look at it. Personally, I have no interest in sales numbers, so "meh" to that victory. I have little interest in game ratings either, but it is more interesting than plain old sales numbers at least... at least you can play games.

ogvampire

the reason that sales should decide the winner is that you cannot argue sales, unlike games.

games are purely subjective, one person might like a game, while another person hates that same game. its very argumentative to decide a "winner" by something so subjective.

thats why it makes sense to use sales, since you simply cannot argue that

I'm not saying that doesn't make sense from an objective standpoint, I'm just saying arguing about video game sales numbers ranks right above staring at a wall and right below watching the grass grow on the "top 5 most boring things to do" list.

I can't see why anyone here, short of those who own stock or work for these companies, care about how a given system sells.

Games matter to me most, but debating ratings is a shady area sometimes... often review scores don't don't correspond with how much I enjoyed playing a game. To me, discussing game ratings, while, flawed, is infinitely more interesting than dicussing sales numbers (after all, one is discussing video games, the other is discussig...uh... sales numbers.) That being said, overrall game ratings is a decent way to guage a system's overrall library quality, and that's an area the Wii is nowhere close to winning (that'll probably change though... typically the most popular platform receives the largest number of quality games, I have no idea why it's taking so long for the Wii though.)

Does it really matter who "wins" or not at this point? Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo are HUGE companies and I don't see any of them dying off anytime soon because of poorer sales. How do we as end users benefit from one company winning over the other? If sales mattered at all, individual game sales matter more. Simply because if a decent game or franchise get poor sales it's more likely we as gamers may not see that developer or franchise continuedeleted_basic

Actually, yes it does. Whoever wins one generation usually dictates what will happen in the next generation. This doesn't necessarily mean that the same company will win the next generation, merely the same philosophy. For example, Sony won the PS1 and PS2 generations, but Microsoft basically one-upped them this generation by making a successor to the PS2 before Sony did, and by pricing their system within reach of the audience they were both attempting to reach. The PS brand name is still with Sony, however, which is why I said the PS3 is still an uncertainty. Unfortunately, both MS and Sony failed to realize the effect consumer fatigue would have on buying habits, and so failed to realize how big the Wii would be.

The Wii's victory this generation will mean that the NEXT generation will be an evolution of the Wii's design, rather than an evolution of the 360 or PS3's design. Whoever can make the perceived successor to the Wii will win the next generation. That could be anybody, but Nintendo has so closely tied its name (and even Miyamoto's name; not even Ken Kutaragi was so closely associated to the PlayStation name in the general public's eyes) to the Wii that it's practically impossible to dislodge the brand association in just one generation.

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]it has actuallyGARRYTH

more like fanboy thinks he has won already.

i'd say it's like McCain being the presumptive nominee months ago even though Ron Paul is still in the race.

technically, it hasn't won but in reality, it has.shoeman12

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]technically, it hasn't won but in reality, it has.ff7isnumbaone

that's what Hillary keeps saying too ;)

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="LazySilvergun"]

What do you mean by "won?"

Won in sales? I think it's pretty safe to say the Wii has won that department handily.

Won in games? Not. Even. Close.

I still don't understand why it hasn't overwhelmed the other two in amount of quality games like the PS2 did, usually with such high sales comes a large volume of awesome games. That being said, the Wii is in last place in overall number of AAA's and AA's, it's really odd.

So, the Wii is either winning or losing depending on how you look at it. Personally, I have no interest in sales numbers, so "meh" to that victory. I have little interest in game ratings either, but it is more interesting than plain old sales numbers at least... at least you can play games.

LazySilvergun

the reason that sales should decide the winner is that you cannot argue sales, unlike games.

games are purely subjective, one person might like a game, while another person hates that same game. its very argumentative to decide a "winner" by something so subjective.

thats why it makes sense to use sales, since you simply cannot argue that

I'm not saying that doesn't make sense from an objective standpoint, I'm just saying arguing about video game sales numbers ranks right above staring at a wall and right below watching the grass grow on the "top 5 most boring things to do" list.

I can't see why anyone here, short of those who own stock or work for these companies, care about how a given system sells.

Games matter to me most, but debating ratings is a shady area sometimes... often review scores don't don't correspond with how much I enjoyed playing a game. To me, discussing game ratings, while, flawed, is infinitely more interesting than dicussing sales numbers (after all, one is discussing video games, the other is discussig...uh... sales numbers.) That being said, overrall game ratings is a decent way to guage a system's overrall library quality, and that's an area the Wii is nowhere close to winning (that'll porbably change though... typcically the most popular platform receives the largest number of quality games, I have no idea why it's taking so long for the Wii though.)

while it is more interesting to debate which videogame is better, it always just goes in circles anyway. (for some reason it ends up turning ugly alot of times)

also, im know im not alone in this, but i dont care about the "overall" library since i dont play shovelware. i only care about what good games it has, i couldnt care less about the bad ones.

Wii = won

DS= won

All that is left is to fight over second for the console race.

Eltroz

Well the 360 has already peaked, the PS3 and Wii havn't.

So it has definitely beat the 360 in sales and games.

PS3 has a chance, but it needs a miracle(like a BIG price drop and tornadoes striking all the Nintendo plants at the same time)

um, well i dont considerthe wii a contender. Its a toy not a gaming machine.beinss

it fine if random people on a forum dont consider the Wii competing with the ps3 and 360, but lets see what people that really matter think:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/11/gates-now-sees-nintendo-as-primary-competition/

i think i will take Bill Gates's word over any random forum user

regarding bolded statement: dont you find the irony in your statement? its a toy, not a GAMING machine. wow, just wow :lol:

um, well i dont considerthe wii a contender. Its a toy not a gaming machine.beinss

All purpose-built gaming machines are toys.

while it is more interesting to debate which videogame is better, it always just goes in circles anyway. (for some reason it ends up turning ugly alot of times)

also, im know im not alone in this, but i dont care about the "overall" library since i dont play shovelware. i only care about what good games it has, i couldnt care less about the bad ones.

ogvampire

By "Overall library quality" I mean total number of AAA's and AA's. I don't play shovelware either, and I don't factor it into a console library's overall quality (to me, it's irrelevant.) I don't consider a console's library to be poor based only on an abundance of shovelware, nor do I consider a console to have a great library based only on the lack of shovelware.

PS2 had a ton of shovelware, that didn't matter. What was important was the fact that it had, by far, the largest number of good games among the three competing consoles. The number of AAA's and AA's on that console was staggering. The Wii has the PS2 sales without the PS2-level of AAA and AA games. Who knows, that might change though depending on how developers continue to treat the system.

After this... yeah it has

After this... yeah it has

asdasd

OMFG, is that Oprah?

Yeah, the Wii's won.

After this... yeah it has

asdasd

LOL! Is this real? What the Hell is it from?

Completely bizarre.

From their reactions you think there would be a series of new cars in there....

[QUOTE="asdasd"]

After this... yeah it has

mjarantilla

OMFG, is that Oprah?

Yeah, the Wii's won.

that was Ellen i believe.

You can't win a gen until that generation is over. Allthough, it's looking pretty hard for 360/PS3.

If I had the money I'd hire a group of middle aged women to wait at Best Buy for the first shipment truck that came along with Wii's and I pay them to grab them and run around and do that in the store, as if they were holding boxes full of the only known cure for cancer.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="asdasd"]

After this... yeah it has

Ontain

OMFG, is that Oprah?

Yeah, the Wii's won.

that was Ellen i believe.

Yup, Ellen.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="asdasd"]

After this... yeah it has

asdasd

OMFG, is that Oprah?

Yeah, the Wii's won.

that was Ellen i believe.

Yup, Ellen.

Well, that's a bit less overwhelming. Still a sign of things to come.

it's like in a football league if a team wins the first 10 games it's got a massive head start but it hasn't "won" but probaly haascrunchUK

Exactly.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]while it is more interesting to debate which videogame is better, it always just goes in circles anyway. (for some reason it ends up turning ugly alot of times)

also, im know im not alone in this, but i dont care about the "overall" library since i dont play shovelware. i only care about what good games it has, i couldnt care less about the bad ones.

LazySilvergun

By "Overall library quality" I mean total number of AAA's and AA's. I don't play shovelware either, and I don't factor it into a console library's overall quality (to me, it's irrelevant.) I don't consider a console's library to be poor based only on an abundance of shovelware, nor do I consider a console to have a great library based only on the lack of shovelware.

PS2 had a ton of shovelware, that didn't matter. What was important was the fact that it had, by far, the largest number of good games among the three competing consoles. The number of AAA's and AA's on that console was staggering. The Wii has the PS2 sales without the PS2-level of AAA and AA games. Who knows, that might change though depending on how developers continue to treat the system.

oh, i gotcha.

we still have to be patient if we are expecting 3rd party support. games take time (a couple of years in alot of cases). you have to remember that the Wii wasnt the bonafide success it is now, it has been out 1 1/2 years, but when did the devs really start taking notice? the first year alot of people were still expecting this "gimmick" to fade, but now its become a fact that its here to stay. i have to say that i have been hearing more and more 3rd party devs announce games for the Wii

Someone should edit the dramatic chipmunk into that .gif.

When the curtain opens its back is still turned, during the second shot of the opening curtain it turns around and the crowd goes wild.

What do you mean by "won?"

Won in sales? I think it's pretty safe to say the Wii has won that department handily.

Won in games? Not. Even. Close.

I still don't understand why it hasn't overwhelmed the other two in amount of quality games like the PS2 did, usually with such high sales comes a large volume of awesome games. That being said, the Wii is in last place in overall number of AAA's and AA's, it's really odd.

So, the Wii is either winning or losing depending on how you look at it. Personally, I have no interest in sales numbers, so "meh" to that victory. I have little interest in game ratings either, but it is more interesting than plain old sales numbers at least... at least you can play games.

LazySilvergun

It's because developers are lazy! Look at Epic "Oh we'll never make a Wii game" Why you might ask? Because they can make more money if they make a game for both 360 and PS3 and it's easier to develop on because their graphics engine is suited more for those consoles level of graphics. Even most developers for Wii are lazy, EA continues to confuse the hell out of me, they make MoH:Heroes 2, amazing controls, superb online, Godfather Black Hand edition, again brilliant controls, best port ever IMO, and Boom Blox which is a brilliant puzzle game. Then they make crap like EA sport playground....

no console is going is going to beat the wii this gen

It's selling well over a million a month. It's sold the most and is selling the most in every major market. It is selling better than any other system ever and pretty soon it will have sold mor than the 360 and PS3 combined.

It is not going to suddenly stop selling because a bucket of old PC parts like the PS3 becomes more attractive. The Wii has won and the PS3 has failed, it's time cows accepted this