The Wii is as "Hardcore" as you make it

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Before I begin this journey I want to inform everyone that I own a 360, PS3, and a Wii. I have spent years playing and enjoying games and everything that I'm about to say is an opinion. It seems as though, if you look back through Nintendo's history, they have always taken a different approach towards gaming. I have always believed that anything made by Nintendo, in house, was a game that was easy to learn and hard to master. The same was true on the Nes and continues all the way to the Wii. Lately people have said that Smash Brothers is not a true fighter. The crazy thing is that I actually bought into this until I played some hardcore gamers. There is just as much technique involved as when playing a "hardcore fighter." By this logic, no 2d could really be hardcore because the well, the graphics are 2d and most games use a total of 6 buttons, I have now realized that there is more depth in SSBB than in games like DOA4 or VF5. Sure, on the surface wii games seem childish, but the more time you spend with these games, the more you realize how amazing they are. As a classic gamer, I don't need over the top graphics, intense violence, or even a big name production company to truely love a game. All i need is a stong concept and enough material to keep me interested. The Wii has proven that everyone can enjoy games and that if you want to spend 200 hours with a game you can with the Wii. I'd rather be laughing with friends while playing mario kart, than sitting by myself with a bluetooth headset on. All I'm saying is that the Wii bashing is probably coming from people that don't understand the industry and probably also from people that haven't grown up with games. I guess if I was 15 I would only want to play the 360 because it's "cool" to be good at Halo 3, but at some point you grow out of that and just want to enjoy yourself.
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#2 Ontain
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good post but paragraphs will help.
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good post but paragraphs will help.Ontain

i noe dude, make paragraphs. i cant even raed in a straight line. i keepon losing the line and start reading the next line along the way.

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So you were one of those people and then you learned better. At least you where open minded enough to give it a try, real fanboys don't even do that.

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good post at the beginning this gen i wanted the PS3 to fail, now i cant stop playing MGO
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]good post but paragraphs will help.DirtyHorse

i noe dude, make paragraphs. i cant even raed in a straight line. i keepon losing the line and start reading the next line along the way.

is that sad? most text requires you to read from left to right.
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[QUOTE="DirtyHorse"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]good post but paragraphs will help.darth-pyschosis

i noe dude, make paragraphs. i cant even raed in a straight line. i keepon losing the line and start reading the next line along the way.

is that sad? most text requires you to read from left to right.

well paragraphs wouldve made it easier to read and finish faster. i still read it and i have no comment cuz its a pethetic arguement.

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Didn't bother reading that, but i'll say this: no, the Wii isn't hardcore, imo.
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Fine. Where is a hardcore racing simulator on the Wii?
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[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="DirtyHorse"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]good post but paragraphs will help.DirtyHorse

i noe dude, make paragraphs. i cant even raed in a straight line. i keepon losing the line and start reading the next line along the way.

is that sad? most text requires you to read from left to right.

well paragraphs wouldve made it easier to read and finish faster. i still read it and i have no comment cuz its a pethetic arguement.

hes not arguing. he's stating that he found good in something he thought was bad its one thing to debate but u just flat out said a man was pathetic coz he enjoyed something. do u want to suck the fun out of everything? not every "i liked this" comment is fuel for a fire
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Fine. Where is a hardcore racing simulator on the Wii?lowe0

and one of those real like hardcore fighter like soul calibur, tekken, street fighte? and a really good hardcore shooter thats worth putting $50 down on it.

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[QUOTE="lowe0"]Fine. Where is a hardcore racing simulator on the Wii?DirtyHorse

and one of those real like hardcore fighter like soul calibur, tekken, street fighte? and a really good hardcore shooter thats worth putting $50 down on it.

You guys didn't read the TC's post, did you?

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[QUOTE="lowe0"]Fine. Where is a hardcore racing simulator on the Wii?DirtyHorse

and one of those real like hardcore fighter like soul calibur, tekken, street fighte? and a really good hardcore shooter thats worth putting $50 down on it.

on virtual console.
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I don't think there will ever be one. But let me ask you this. Has there ever been a hardcore racing simulator on a Nintendo Console? If your answer is no, then what made those systems any more hardcore? You might not get a racing sim, but you will probably get F-Zero. I don't know if you've ever played a F-Zero game, but the difficulty rivals any racing sim. F-Zero GX for example, just as much depth as any Gran Turismo. What defines a Hardcore system and game anyway? Does hardcore just mean what's popular at the time? Is it the difficulty level? Is it the quality?

I personally think Hardcore is anything you can become passionate about. A game that's so good, you really don't want to play anything else. Take Pac-Man for example. On the surface it seems like an easy, maybe even childish concept. There are people still obsessing over this game decades later. Do you think in 20 years people are going to care about the original Xbox? At the time is was about as hardcore as you could get. Now it was just a flash in the pan. In 20 years people will want and play the Wii. It might not be the version we are playing right now, but I has left it's mark on the industry and whether people like it or not it is leading revolution.

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Didn't bother reading that, but i'll say this: no, the Wii isn't hardcore, imo.thejakel11225
hey guys, you remember that episode of family guy where quagmire talks about a third hole in a girl. that is kind of what this thread topic reminds me of

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well w.e he is tryin to do but he is still one of those "wii is not this, its that" or "nintendo is just trying to bla blah" and as soon as i read the words "wii", "is" and "hardcore" in the topic, i knew it was going to be something stupid and a fanboy trying to defend a wii :roll:

DirtyHorse

Wow. I am impressed.

I don't think I could have managed to put all of those thoughts into one sentence if I tried.

Bravo.

Although, you'd think with all the effort you put into typing all those quotation marks, you would've stuck in a period or a capital letter.

Anyway, the TC's post is probably one of the least fanboyish things I've heard on SW this week.

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The wii has what I consider to be the most hardcore game out this gen. Fire Emblem Radient Dawn.
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#20 King_Dodongo
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Great topic, tony people only bash a console (this time the wii) cause the're hardly trying to sound "cool" or they heard some fanboy said "it's not worth" or something but they never acually played it .Instead they live in their own "happy world"of FPS only and want to think they made the best decision by bashing the wii. Sad thing for them.... they didn't
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[QUOTE="DirtyHorse"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="DirtyHorse"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="DirtyHorse"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]good post but paragraphs will help.darth-pyschosis

i noe dude, make paragraphs. i cant even raed in a straight line. i keepon losing the line and start reading the next line along the way.

is that sad? most text requires you to read from left to right.

well paragraphs wouldve made it easier to read and finish faster. i still read it and i have no comment cuz its a pethetic arguement.

hes not arguing. he's stating that he found good in something he thought was bad its one thing to debate but u just flat out said a man was pathetic coz he enjoyed something. do u want to suck the fun out of everything? not every "i liked this" comment is fuel for a fire

well w.e he is tryin to do but he is still one of those "wii is not this, its that" or "nintendo is just trying to bla blah" and as soon as i read the words "wii", "is" and "hardcore" in the topic, i knew it was going to be something stupid and a fanboy trying to defend a wii :roll:

how many times need you be reported? i can't believe u get away with "intending solely to annoy other users".

also, reported for off topic.

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[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

how many times need you be reported? i can't believe u get away with "intending solely to annoy other users". DirtyHorse

also, reported for off topic.

Moderation FAQ guys:

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[QUOTE="DirtyHorse"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

how many times need you be reported? i can't believe u get away with "intending solely to annoy other users". Stevo_the_gamer

also, reported for off topic.

Moderation FAQ guys:

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woops srry but i had to tell him since he told me.

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#26 flazzle
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the best point in the post is the amount of depth many Nintendo games. The amount of depth in Strikers is very well done. Yet you don't realize it until you play someone that knows what they are doing.
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#27 NielsNL
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I'm probably missing something here, but I have the idea that the opening post and the topic title are totally unrelated.
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If the Wii gets God of War III WITH the graphics its intended to be, with two Wiimotes in your hands with non-glitchy movements - Only then will i call it hardcore
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Blogs are meant for you to express your thoughts and opinions.Stevo_the_gamer

And SW is only used for facts and logic...

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If the Wii gets God of War III WITH the graphics its intended to be, with two Wiimotes in your hands with non-glitchy movements - Only then will i call it hardcoreDante865
How? god of war as far as I know is a sony exclusive
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the wii has the worst library anyway you look at it
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Wow TC that's a pretty great post, you've made me look at my Wii in a new light.

However I still wouldn't mind getting a PS3 or 360.:P

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I understand where you're coming from. When I get together with friends it's ALWAYS the Wii or another Nintendo system that gets the play. Even back in the day, Nintendo has just always understood making games that are fun to play with friends. I played online with my PC for like 5 years, but now it's getting really tiring. It's just a bunch of teens trying to stroke their egos when you boil it down. Now I play games to enjoy them, so I could care less about how hardcore something is considered. This gen has been completely lackluster in my eyes, but I'm glad for the direction the Wii is taking it (forward).
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thats great
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Good posts TC, too bad the wii haters didn't read the whole thing.
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I don't think there will ever be one. But let me ask you this. Has there ever been a hardcore racing simulator on a Nintendo Console? If your answer is no, then what made those systems any more hardcore? You might not get a racing sim, but you will probably get F-Zero. I don't know if you've ever played a F-Zero game, but the difficulty rivals any racing sim. F-Zero GX for example, just as much depth as any Gran Turismo. What defines a Hardcore system and game anyway? Does hardcore just mean what's popular at the time? Is it the difficulty level? Is it the quality?

I personally think Hardcore is anything you can become passionate about. A game that's so good, you really don't want to play anything else. Take Pac-Man for example. On the surface it seems like an easy, maybe even childish concept. There are people still obsessing over this game decades later. Do you think in 20 years people are going to care about the original Xbox? At the time is was about as hardcore as you could get. Now it was just a flash in the pan. In 20 years people will want and play the Wii. It might not be the version we are playing right now, but I has left it's mark on the industry and whether people like it or not it is leading revolution.

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N64.

Hardcore Shooter: Goldeneye.

Hardcore Racing: Excitebike (8.8) http://www.gamespot.com/n64/driving/excitebike64/index.html (Or Ridge Racer if you prefer)

Hardcore fighter: Mortal Kombat 4 (8.9) http://www.gamespot.com/n64/action/mortalkombat4/index.html

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Good, well said, thread. I am buying a wii tomorrow. Can't wait to give it a try.
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[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="DirtyHorse"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="DirtyHorse"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="DirtyHorse"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]good post but paragraphs will help.DirtyHorse

i noe dude, make paragraphs. i cant even raed in a straight line. i keepon losing the line and start reading the next line along the way.

is that sad? most text requires you to read from left to right.

well paragraphs wouldve made it easier to read and finish faster. i still read it and i have no comment cuz its a pethetic arguement.

hes not arguing. he's stating that he found good in something he thought was bad its one thing to debate but u just flat out said a man was pathetic coz he enjoyed something. do u want to suck the fun out of everything? not every "i liked this" comment is fuel for a fire

well w.e he is tryin to do but he is still one of those "wii is not this, its that" or "nintendo is just trying to bla blah" and as soon as i read the words "wii", "is" and "hardcore" in the topic, i knew it was going to be something stupid and a fanboy trying to defend a wii :roll:

how many times need you be reported? i can't believe u get away with "intending solely to annoy other users".

nice job changing the subject since you cant argue with me anymore. L

i know my statement implies that i reported but rest assured i didnt this time. with all sincerity. i don't want to argue with you coz u say a man's argument is pathetic when all he says is he played a game, he enjoyed it, he even found depth to it when he didn't think he would why are you, and what are you accomplishing by attacking him? i don't want to argue with you because it pointless. you'll say something "wii is kiddy, casual, stupid, low-res, fad, " and ignore the question by saying i can't argue with you when all i want you to post is why do u feel its nessecary to attack someone who says they simply enjoyed something?
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Before I begin this journey I want to inform everyone that I own a 360, PS3, and a Wii. I have spent years playing and enjoying games and everything that I'm about to say is an opinion. It seems as though, if you look back through Nintendo's history, they have always taken a different approach towards gaming. I have always believed that anything made by Nintendo, in house, was a game that was easy to learn and hard to master. The same was true on the Nes and continues all the way to the Wii. Lately people have said that Smash Brothers is not a true fighter. The crazy thing is that I actually bought into this until I played some hardcore gamers. There is just as much technique involved as when playing a "hardcore fighter." By this logic, no 2d could really be hardcore because the well, the graphics are 2d and most games use a total of 6 buttons, I have now realized that there is more depth in SSBB than in games like DOA4 or VF5. Sure, on the surface wii games seem childish, but the more time you spend with these games, the more you realize how amazing they are. As a classic gamer, I don't need over the top graphics, intense violence, or even a big name production company to truely love a game. All i need is a stong concept and enough material to keep me interested. The Wii has proven that everyone can enjoy games and that if you want to spend 200 hours with a game you can with the Wii. I'd rather be laughing with friends while playing mario kart, than sitting by myself with a bluetooth headset on. All I'm saying is that the Wii bashing is probably coming from people that don't understand the industry and probably also from people that haven't grown up with games. I guess if I was 15 I would only want to play the 360 because it's "cool" to be good at Halo 3, but at some point you grow out of that and just want to enjoy yourself. TonySoprano314

:lol: i stopped reading there...

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[QUOTE="TonySoprano314"]Before I begin this journey I want to inform everyone that I own a 360, PS3, and a Wii. I have spent years playing and enjoying games and everything that I'm about to say is an opinion. It seems as though, if you look back through Nintendo's history, they have always taken a different approach towards gaming. I have always believed that anything made by Nintendo, in house, was a game that was easy to learn and hard to master. The same was true on the Nes and continues all the way to the Wii. Lately people have said that Smash Brothers is not a true fighter. The crazy thing is that I actually bought into this until I played some hardcore gamers. There is just as much technique involved as when playing a "hardcore fighter." By this logic, no 2d could really be hardcore because the well, the graphics are 2d and most games use a total of 6 buttons, I have now realized that there is more depth in SSBB than in games like DOA4 or VF5. Sure, on the surface wii games seem childish, but the more time you spend with these games, the more you realize how amazing they are. As a classic gamer, I don't need over the top graphics, intense violence, or even a big name production company to truely love a game. All i need is a stong concept and enough material to keep me interested. The Wii has proven that everyone can enjoy games and that if you want to spend 200 hours with a game you can with the Wii. I'd rather be laughing with friends while playing mario kart, than sitting by myself with a bluetooth headset on. All I'm saying is that the Wii bashing is probably coming from people that don't understand the industry and probably also from people that haven't grown up with games. I guess if I was 15 I would only want to play the 360 because it's "cool" to be good at Halo 3, but at some point you grow out of that and just want to enjoy yourself. insanejedi

:lol: i stopped reading there...

You're kidding right?

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[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

[QUOTE="TonySoprano314"]Before I begin this journey I want to inform everyone that I own a 360, PS3, and a Wii. I have spent years playing and enjoying games and everything that I'm about to say is an opinion. It seems as though, if you look back through Nintendo's history, they have always taken a different approach towards gaming. I have always believed that anything made by Nintendo, in house, was a game that was easy to learn and hard to master. The same was true on the Nes and continues all the way to the Wii. Lately people have said that Smash Brothers is not a true fighter. The crazy thing is that I actually bought into this until I played some hardcore gamers. There is just as much technique involved as when playing a "hardcore fighter." By this logic, no 2d could really be hardcore because the well, the graphics are 2d and most games use a total of 6 buttons, I have now realized that there is more depth in SSBB than in games like DOA4 or VF5. Sure, on the surface wii games seem childish, but the more time you spend with these games, the more you realize how amazing they are. As a classic gamer, I don't need over the top graphics, intense violence, or even a big name production company to truely love a game. All i need is a stong concept and enough material to keep me interested. The Wii has proven that everyone can enjoy games and that if you want to spend 200 hours with a game you can with the Wii. I'd rather be laughing with friends while playing mario kart, than sitting by myself with a bluetooth headset on. All I'm saying is that the Wii bashing is probably coming from people that don't understand the industry and probably also from people that haven't grown up with games. I guess if I was 15 I would only want to play the 360 because it's "cool" to be good at Halo 3, but at some point you grow out of that and just want to enjoy yourself. -Wheels-

:lol: i stopped reading there...

You're kidding right?


Are you talking to me or him? That stament seemed like someone saying action figures have more depth than Rubiks Cubes.
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#43 flazzle
Member since 2007 • 6507 Posts
[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

:lol: i stopped reading there...

-Wheels-

You're kidding right?

Some people just see brawl as a button masher kid character fest. You'll never convince them how ignorant they are of the actual game itself. Any true hardcore gamer knows that SSBB has incredible depth.

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#45 Fawlcon_Pawnch
Member since 2008 • 1651 Posts
[QUOTE="-Wheels-"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]

:lol: i stopped reading there...

flazzle

You're kidding right?

Some people just see brawl as a button masher kid character fest. You'll never convince them how ignorant they are of the actual game itself. Any true hardcore gamer knows that SSBB has incredible depth.

^ This

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#46 Sonick54
Member since 2005 • 7947 Posts
[QUOTE="-Wheels-"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]

:lol: i stopped reading there...

flazzle

You're kidding right?

Some people just see brawl as a button masher kid character fest. You'll never convince them how ignorant they are of the actual game itself. Any true hardcore gamer knows that SSBB has incredible depth.

No :|

if you we're actually knowledgeable about brawl, you'd know it has less depth than melee. far less depth.