The Wii is in a Sorry State

Its time to face facts, recently the wii's library sucks, it sucks hard. lets take a broad example, the ; last sixth months in terms of top games. (acording to GS)

Wii

PS3

360

PC

well thats a sorry sight for the wii, if you exclude VC games it has had no AAA games in that time peridod, certainly no AAA exclusives, and the ps3 has had as many games 9.0 or over than the wii has had AA games!

to all those who think that the wii is a sutable stand-alone console or that it still deserves the same respect as the other systems, how do you explain this criminal lack of quality games?

Its time to face facts, recently the wii's library sucks, it sucks hard. lets take a broad example, the ; last sixth months in terms of top games. (acording to GS)

Wii

PS3

360

PC

well thats a sorry sight for the wii, if you exclude VC games it has had no AAA games in that time peridod, certainly no AAA exclusives, and the ps3 has had as many games 9.0 or over than the wii has had AA games!

to all those who think that the wii is a sutable stand-alone console or that it still deserves the same respect as the other systems, how do you explain this criminal lack of quality games?

thegoldenpoo

You know you're talking to gamers, right?

We know this already.

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

Its time to face facts, recently the wii's library sucks, it sucks hard. lets take a broad example, the ; last sixth months in terms of top games. (acording to GS)

Wii

PS3

360

PC

well thats a sorry sight for the wii, if you exclude VC games it has had no AAA games in that time peridod, certainly no AAA exclusives, and the ps3 has had as many games 9.0 or over than the wii has had AA games!

to all those who think that the wii is a sutable stand-alone console or that it still deserves the same respect as the other systems, how do you explain this criminal lack of quality games?

rumtumtugger

You know you're talking to gamers, right?

We know this already.

just felt like it needed saying, i would go as far to say as that i don't regared the Wii as a 'real' console anymore, the fact that Nintendo gave it such lacking power means it gets none of those great multiplats.

There are only a handful of people who still defend the Wii's library, and that number is dwindling daily. This holiday season for the Wii is simply a damn shame.subrosian

:lol: the wii........i still remember all those "sheep" (if they exist anymore defending it..so funnyTheWiikestLink

i always knew Wii is gonna suck compared to the other consoles and pc

All I want is another Zelda game and another Super Smash. Bros. with more 3rd party characters and some 1st/2nd party characters from Sony/Microsoft. I find it sad how i'll have to wait till next-gen to play a true HD Zelda game with up to date graphics, environments, physics, etc.SnakePS360Gamer

well okami proved that zelda like games are now better than actual zelda games, last gen graphics and all (although i far prefer Okami's art stlye)

yeah the lack of HD and its relience on PS2 ports (arguably its best games are last gen) makes the wii laughable

wait, im only allowed to play games that are AAA and above? no AAs or As? well damn. i guess i better tell my roommate to take back heavenly sword. and i guess i better return twilight princess and metroid prime 3redmetal86

hehe, been waiting for a post like this, are you arguing that the wii has a better library or any you just being antagonistic.

scores are the only reliable way of measuring quality of games, so the wii having no AAA games in the past six months is a big deal, espeically when both the 360 and the ps3 have had a load.

oh and BTW heavenly sword was not that good, WAY to short. i mean a gaming midgit.

TP is a last gen port and MP3... well that looks laughably dated compared to all REAL modern shooters, who the hell still cares about Metroid?

[QUOTE="SnakePS360Gamer"]All I want is another Zelda game and another Super Smash. Bros. with more 3rd party characters and some 1st/2nd party characters from Sony/Microsoft. I find it sad how i'll have to wait till next-gen to play a true HD Zelda game with up to date graphics, environments, physics, etc.thegoldenpoo

well okami proved that zelda like games are now better than actual zelda games, last gen graphics and all (although i far prefer Okami's art stlye)

yeah the lack of HD and its relience on PS2 ports (arguably its best games are last gen) makes the wii laughable

well okami proved that zelda like games are now better than actual zelda games, last gen graphics and all (although i far prefer Okami's art stlye)

yeah the lack of HD and its relience on PS2 ports (arguably its best games are last gen) makes the wii laughable

thegoldenpoo

who really buys the games that are ps2 ports? hell, okami didnt even sell that much. couldnt even come close to 1 million (then again, neither did okami on the ps2 :P better luck next time capcom)

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

well okami proved that zelda like games are now better than actual zelda games, last gen graphics and all (although i far prefer Okami's art stlye)

yeah the lack of HD and its relience on PS2 ports (arguably its best games are last gen) makes the wii laughable

redmetal86

who really buys the games that are ps2 ports? hell, okami didnt even sell that much. couldnt even come close to 1 million (then again, neither did okami on the ps2 :P better luck next time capcom)

i wasn't talking about okami sales, i was talking about how grat the game is. if you take all the last gen ports out of the wii's library (as you said, who really buys them) then look at the wii's library you will see a distict lack of quality games.

i think okami is one of my altime favorite games of lst gen, it did what zelda did but arguably better than the modenzelda games.

Its time to face facts, recently the wii's library sucks, it sucks hard. lets take a broad example, the ; last sixth months in terms of top games. (acording to GS)

Wii

PS3

360

PC

well thats a sorry sight for the wii, if you exclude VC games it has had no AAA games in that time peridod, certainly no AAA exclusives, and the ps3 has had as many games 9.0 or over than the wii has had AA games!

to all those who think that the wii is a sutable stand-alone console or that it still deserves the same respect as the other systems, how do you explain this criminal lack of quality games?

thegoldenpoo

I think we should have an official bash the wii sticky

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

Its time to face facts, recently the wii's library sucks, it sucks hard. lets take a broad example, the ; last sixth months in terms of top games. (acording to GS)

Wii

PS3

360

PC

well thats a sorry sight for the wii, if you exclude VC games it has had no AAA games in that time peridod, certainly no AAA exclusives, and the ps3 has had as many games 9.0 or over than the wii has had AA games!

to all those who think that the wii is a sutable stand-alone console or that it still deserves the same respect as the other systems, how do you explain this criminal lack of quality games?

-hells-

I think we should have an official bash the wii sticky

not a bad idea ;)

its doing nicely for me. ive bought and enjoyed more wii games this year than PS3 and 360 games combined. only my PC beats it.

by SW standards its not looking great. but it continues to fulfill its role as my PCs complimentary system far better than any other console. i dont buy the same game 3 times for all platforms...i buy it once.

so in my world at least, if i had to start trading in consoles, the wii would be last to go.

[QUOTE="redmetal86"]wait, im only allowed to play games that are AAA and above? no AAs or As? well damn. i guess i better tell my roommate to take back heavenly sword. and i guess i better return twilight princess and metroid prime 3thegoldenpoo

hehe, been waiting for a post like this, are you arguing that the wii has a better library or any you just being antagonistic.

scores are the only reliable way of measuring quality of games, so the wii having no AAA games in the past six months is a big deal, espeically when both the 360 and the ps3 have had a load.

oh and BTW heavenly sword was not that good, WAY to short. i mean a gaming midgit.

TP is a last gen port and MP3... well that looks laughably dated compared to all REAL modern shooters, who the hell still cares about Metroid?

:lol:

Im no sheep and I own all 3 consoles. Currently my Wii is at my friends house cause his PS3 bricked and Im letting him borrow it. Even if my Wii was here it would be collecting dust.

Still though I have to say you are coming off as nothing more than a graphics whore. Yeah HS was short, not good etc....but MP3...looks laughable....compared too "REAL" shooters? LMAO! MP3 easily takes a dump on most of these "real shooters" The actual length of the game dwarfs these "real shooters" you speak of. The gameplay itself requires thought which you wont find in these "real shooters", has amazing boss fights that you wont find in these "real shooters", and offers up enough varied gameplay mechanics in such a well designed world you will forget you are playing a shooter and feel more like you are playing AAAA quality adventure game.

Seriously man you should actually try playing games before spouting off BS about them. MP3 offers up both more quality and quantity than all these "real" shooters and where it graphically fails from a tech standpoint, it more than makes up for it in artistic quality.

i wasn't talking about okami sales, i was talking about how grat the game is. if you take all the last gen ports out of the wii's library (as you said, who really buys them) then look at the wii's library you will see a distict lack of quality games.

thegoldenpoo

do you mean multiplats or exclusives, and AAA and above or A-AAAAE?

its doing nicely for me. ive bought and enjoyed more wii games this year than PS3 and 360 games combined. only my PC beats it.

by SW standards its not looking great. but it continues to fulfill its role as my PCs complimentary system far better than any other console. i dont buy the same game 3 times for all platforms...i buy it once.

so in my world at least, if i had to start trading in consoles, the wii would be last to go.

osan0

oh yeah as a complementaty system it is good.... if you don't plan on buying any games for it this year.

i think having a ps3 beside your PC would be a goodchoice, it has more and better exclusives this year than the wii has. you miss out on alot not owing a HD console.

lol @ "teh complimentary system :cry:" whining. When it comes to hardware sales, sheep say the Wii is held by the same standards as 360 and PS3. But when it comes to good games, all of a sudden, the Wii shouldn't be judged by the same standards as PS3/360.

Pathetic. :lol:

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

[QUOTE="redmetal86"]wait, im only allowed to play games that are AAA and above? no AAs or As? well damn. i guess i better tell my roommate to take back heavenly sword. and i guess i better return twilight princess and metroid prime 3treelog82

hehe, been waiting for a post like this, are you arguing that the wii has a better library or any you just being antagonistic.

scores are the only reliable way of measuring quality of games, so the wii having no AAA games in the past six months is a big deal, espeically when both the 360 and the ps3 have had a load.

oh and BTW heavenly sword was not that good, WAY to short. i mean a gaming midgit.

TP is a last gen port and MP3... well that looks laughably dated compared to all REAL modern shooters, who the hell still cares about Metroid?

:lol:

Im no sheep and I own all 3 consoles. Currently my Wii is at my friends house cause his PS3 bricked and Im letting him borrow it. Even if my Wii was here it would be collecting dust.

Still though I have to say you are coming off as nothing more than a graphics whore. Yeah HS was short, not good etc....but MP3...looks laughable....compared too "REAL" shooters? LMAO! MP3 easily takes a dump on most of these "real shooters" The actual length of the game dwarfs these "real shooters" you speak of. The gameplay itself requires thought which you wont find in these "real shooters", has amazing boss fights that you wont find in these "real shooters", and offers up enough varied gameplay mechanics in such a well designed world you will forget you are playing a shooter and feel more like you are playing AAAA quality adventure game.

Seriously man you should actually try playing games before spouting off BS about them. MP3 offers up both more quality and quantity than all these "real" shooters and where it graphically fails from a tech standpoint, it more than makes up for it in artistic quality.

i never liked metroid :|

not even the first, and he third one does feel dated.

lol "AAAA quality adventure game"

so 8.5 < 9.5, i know its a matter of opinion but you speakof MP3 as if its the messiah of gaming, its controls are sharp but ive never liked its stlye of gameplay, that remains almost unchanged.

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

[QUOTE="redmetal86"]wait, im only allowed to play games that are AAA and above? no AAs or As? well damn. i guess i better tell my roommate to take back heavenly sword. and i guess i better return twilight princess and metroid prime 3treelog82

hehe, been waiting for a post like this, are you arguing that the wii has a better library or any you just being antagonistic.

scores are the only reliable way of measuring quality of games, so the wii having no AAA games in the past six months is a big deal, espeically when both the 360 and the ps3 have had a load.

oh and BTW heavenly sword was not that good, WAY to short. i mean a gaming midgit.

TP is a last gen port and MP3... well that looks laughably dated compared to all REAL modern shooters, who the hell still cares about Metroid?

:lol:

Im no sheep and I own all 3 consoles. Currently my Wii is at my friends house cause his PS3 bricked and Im letting him borrow it. Even if my Wii was here it would be collecting dust.

Still though I have to say you are coming off as nothing more than a graphics whore. Yeah HS was short, not good etc....but MP3...looks laughable....compared too "REAL" shooters? LMAO! MP3 easily takes a dump on most of these "real shooters" The actual length of the game dwarfs these "real shooters" you speak of. The gameplay itself requires thought which you wont find in these "real shooters", has amazing boss fights that you wont find in these "real shooters", and offers up enough varied gameplay mechanics in such a well designed world you will forget you are playing a shooter and feel more like you are playing AAAA quality adventure game.

Seriously man you should actually try playing games before spouting off BS about them. MP3 offers up both more quality and quantity than all these "real" shooters and where it graphically fails from a tech standpoint, it more than makes up for it in artistic quality.

:O Someone with sense on SW.

*Takes a screenie*

Yet the Wii seems to be destroying the competiton when it comes to sales. Care to explain that?metalgear-solid

people who have no idea about gaming, the casual effect. Somehow the wii has captured the public imagination, its focus has now shown this with simple games like wii music.

imagine if you had never seen a film before, you would want something simple and shallow to ease you into it, something people who have been watching films for ages would laugh at.

to put it bluntly, most of the public wouldn't know a good game if it repeatedly kicked them in the face.

I've managed to survive on SSBB since march, but....

I do think that wii has beenhaving pretty sorry releases lately.

TP is definitely better than Okami though. Deep Combat>Good graphics

hehe, been waiting for a post like this, are you arguing that the wii has a better library or any you just being antagonistic.

scores are the only reliable way of measuring quality of games

since when? sometimes scores dont even reflect what was said in reviews. i know youve seen this in plenty of non wii game reviews.

so the wii having no AAA games in the past six months is a big deal, espeically when both the 360 and the ps3 have had a load.

as long as there are still good games to play, what does it matter if x amount of AAA games in the past 6 months? if the ps3 or 360 were in this same situation, would you give a damn either way? what is this, some kind of contest?

oh and BTW heavenly sword was not that good, WAY to short. i mean a gaming midgit.

youre right. it got an 8.0, which is great according to gamespot. short or not, its better than good.

TP is a last gen port and MP3... well that looks laughably dated compared to all REAL modern shooters, who the hell still cares about Metroid?

why are you comparing metroid prime 3, which many claim to be an fpa anyway, to fpses? why compare it to anything at all, except another metroid prime game? i never understood why people compare games to other games as opposed to looking at them in their own right. i guess enough people still care about it if people are buying it.

thegoldenpoo

dont know how i missed this. responses inserted

I've managed to survive on SSBB since march, but....

I do think that wii has beenhaving pretty sorry releases lately.

TP is definitely better than Okami though. Deep Combat>Good graphics

2-10-08

wow....

[QUOTE="osan0"]

its doing nicely for me. ive bought and enjoyed more wii games this year than PS3 and 360 games combined. only my PC beats it.

by SW standards its not looking great. but it continues to fulfill its role as my PCs complimentary system far better than any other console. i dont buy the same game 3 times for all platforms...i buy it once.

so in my world at least, if i had to start trading in consoles, the wii would be last to go.

thegoldenpoo

oh yeah as a complementaty system it is good.... if you don't plan on buying any games for it this year.

i think having a ps3 beside your PC would be a goodchoice, it has more and better exclusives this year than the wii has. you miss out on alot not owing a HD console.

i own them all. i still find myself far more interested in some of the wii games coming out.

not hyping, but the likes of deadly creatures and mushroom men have my interest. i refer to them as dark horses...they will probably be crap but there good ideas and if the devs actually deliver then the games will be great). the witcher is also something i considered a dark horse and that turned out very nicely (and EE is even better...except for an annoying bluring bug).

thats one thing i really like about the wii (and 3rd party games more and more). the dark horse and the small devs get a shout in. de blob is very kewl (a couple silly mistakes hold it back from being really really kewl), disaster has a 60s disaster movie charm about it (very tongue in cheek...not meant to be taken seriously at all and hugely corny).

i still hope to get R2 (thought the first was very average but it looks like R2 delivers) and LBP for the PS3 also mind.

nothign for the 360 due to my new policy of waiting for PC versions. im not having a repeat of Mass effect again.ill get the likes of fable 2 and gears 2 when im absolutely certain there not going to PC (or ill get them on PC if they are coming to it).

but yeah..im ranting a bit. im a big fan of the wii because it allows the smaller devs a chance to shine. alot of the times it doesent work out, but when it does then thats real gold dust. its also what i love about PC. i also love that the wii, by its design, doesent allow big budget, well polished games hog all the limelight.

finally i love that its forcing devs to think again. with many games on other platforms, development is not a creative process...its an assembly line. an exact science. they have a formula and they just fill in the gaps. those games have their place and becuase its so tried and tested, the games tend to be very well polished and do what they do very well. but the wii doesent allow that. if u use those forumlas on wii then the game falls apart. wee seen it countless times. so its back to nuts and bolts stuff. even if the end pruduct is the same type of game, like a FPS, its played in a very different manor and requires a very different set of skills from the player.

as a console on its own...it has problems (as does every platform). we often here that wii only owners are really missing out. i agree. however id also argue that those who dont own a wii and do a bit of digging are also missing out. a wii and at least one other platform and then ull have most of ure bases covered.

Its time to face facts, recently the wii's library sucks, it sucks hard. lets take a broad example, the ; last sixth months in terms of top games. (acording to GS)

Wii

PS3

360

PC

well thats a sorry sight for the wii, if you exclude VC games it has had no AAA games in that time peridod, certainly no AAA exclusives, and the ps3 has had as many games 9.0 or over than the wii has had AA games!

to all those who think that the wii is a sutable stand-alone console or that it still deserves the same respect as the other systems, how do you explain this criminal lack of quality games?

thegoldenpoo

i like your use of simpson's paradox

use certain time intervals in order to prove that something is different than what is trute

how about looking at AAA games in a year's span

Wii has

SSBB, SMG, NMH

360 has

Gears of War 2

PS3 has

MGS4, LBP, Resistance

see...i can do this too

btw the wii has spent the last 6 months stepping up on Wiiware

Its time to face facts, recently the wii's library sucks, it sucks hard. lets take a broad example, the ; last sixth months in terms of top games. (acording to GS)

Wii

PS3

360

PC

well thats a sorry sight for the wii, if you exclude VC games it has had no AAA games in that time peridod, certainly no AAA exclusives, and the ps3 has had as many games 9.0 or over than the wii has had AA games!

to all those who think that the wii is a sutable stand-alone console or that it still deserves the same respect as the other systems, how do you explain this criminal lack of quality games?

thegoldenpoo

World of goo got AAA score here last week.

damm there are not many here who own a Wii and not many who can deny the Wii is not aimed at the same audience as the 360/PS3 and to be honest I don't want it to and there is not many that can deny the quality of alot of the titles but maybe we it should be "casuals/non-gamers" that should be reviewing them, cause at the end of the day all they want is fun!

Do we want 3 consoles offering the same thing, the same types of games... well I sure as heck don't

but its my ying to my yang, it offers a a new controler when used right its damm good and quirky/interesting games like World of Goo, De Blob, 1st Party titles, NMH, Wii Ware which gives a chance for Independantgamers to get there stuff released, Boom Blox and the VC titles as well.

But unfortunatly alot of dev's/publishers are using the Wii to make the quick buck and fool the non/casual gamer to buying ****

and at the end of the day this is a famaily console.... cause shock horror my mum aint interested in playing FarCry2..

Here's why I like the Wii more than the PS3 or 360.

1. After gaming for over 25 years I'm kind of tired of the same old thing. I'm tired of FPS and if I see another jRPG I'm gonne shoot someone. I've never cared for racing or sport games either. I realize that the HD systems offer more than this so spare me the list. These days I primarily enjoy 3 types of games. Adventure games, platformers, and games that are genuinally different - the ones that defy traditional genre definitions, niche gaming.

The Wii has a lot of those kind of things. I've got Zelda and Okami for my adventure games, platforming is still well represented with Mario, Lost Winds, and a few others. And then there's a ton of experimental stuff out there. It's not all good, not by a long shot. But most of them are good enough to at least try. My Life as King was cool. Wii Sports is fun. World of Goo, Harvest Moon, Orbiant, etc.

2. I enjoy games with original art style/direction. HD systems all tend to go more in the direction of making things as realistic as possible. That's great, but it doesn't interest me (particularly since I have a PC that does it all better anyway). I like highly stylized games. I like games that try to look like videogames, not the real world. There's a few exceptions, but for the most part, there's a real lack of those kind of games on the PS3 and 360. The Wii can't compete with the HD systems so the developers who know what they're doing are choosing some really cool art styles to compensate. No More Heroes, de Blob, (Mad World looks great).

I'll be the first to admit that if I was the same kind of gamer I was 10 years ago I'd loathe the Wii. But these days it offers exactly what I want.

ok well i'm still trying to beat all the games i currently have

and i still want to get okami, no more heroes, animal crossing, tales of symphonia 2, wario land shake it, de blob, boom blox, guitar hero world tour, wii fit, zack and wiki, and some wii points of course

thank you for reminding me how much these holidays and my upcoming birthday will own :)

I don't like missing any game which I may like.

There are still so many games on the Wii which have I enjoined. I have bought 7 games which came out this year all of them expect 1 were on the Wii only. That is the reason to own a Nintendo Wii well it may not have the library of the others by not having it your going to miss a lot of games which neither of the other two will get.

I think most people will admit that the holiday season looks rather bare, simply because so many 2008 games were pushed to 09. I, however, have quite a few games to catch up on, so really, I'm fine. Plus, ToS2 comes out November 11th:)TAKE_IT_BACK

Same here.

Besides, people expect way too much out of the Wii.

It's not trying to be a 360 or a PS3.

Wii owners won't see a steady stream of AAA games. And those who don't care, like me, are fine with owning the console.

im suprised

the other consoles are miles better than the wii(graphics,games,online,multimedia)... and yet it still outsells them and gets probably the most amount of praise(according to youtube)

when will teh world make sense?

im suprised

the other consoles are miles better than the wii(graphics,games,online,multimedia)... and yet it still outsells them and gets probably the most amount of praise(according to youtube)

when will teh world make sense?

Syk0_k03r

Because the GS isn't representative of the entire world?

For some reason, people assume the world should think just like Gamespot.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]I think most people will admit that the holiday season looks rather bare, simply because so many 2008 games were pushed to 09. I, however, have quite a few games to catch up on, so really, I'm fine. Plus, ToS2 comes out November 11th:)AlexSays

Same here.

Besides, people expect way too much out of the Wii.

It's not trying to be a 360 or a PS3.

Wii owners won't see a steady stream of AAA games. And those who don't care, like me, are fine with owning the console.

The reason people expect more from Nintendo is because they are the market leader.

Every NPD day or sales info thread is flooded with Nintendo fans screaming

- Nintendo is the King!
- They own this generation!
- This is how you make a console!
- Nintendo dared to do what no one has done before and WON!
- They are the greatest!

But then when it comes to the games they say:


- What? Games? You are expecting too much from Nintendo.

- They didn't have good third party support last gen (when they were in last place) so why do expect better now?

- It's all the third party devs fault.
JLF1

You're confused.

The fanboys saying the Wii is the greatest console aren't the same who're saying people expect too much out of the console.

People on this site expect the Wii should be having just as many high scoring games as the other consoles. Those expectations are unrealistic.

The Wii has quirky games not seen on other consoles, and that's good enough for some of us owners. People who expect to see AAA shooters with 32 online multiplayer will undoubtedly be disappointed.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
The reason people expect more from Nintendo is because they are the market leader.

Every NPD day or sales info thread is flooded with Nintendo fans screaming

- Nintendo is the King!
- They own this generation!
- This is how you make a console!
- Nintendo dared to do what no one has done before and WON!
- They are the greatest!

But then when it comes to the games they say:


- What? Games? You are expecting too much from Nintendo.

- They didn't have good third party support last gen (when they were in last place) so why do expect better now?

- It's all the third party devs fault.
AlexSays

You're confused.

The fanboys saying the Wii is the greatest console aren't the same who're saying people expect too much out of the console.

People on this site expect the Wii should be having just as many high scoring games as the other consoles. Those expectations are unrealistic.

The Wii has quirky games not seen on other consoles, and that's good enough for some of us owners. People who expect to see AAA shooters with 32 online multiplayer will undoubtedly be disappointed.

I hate to say this, because I expected much out of the Wii, but he nailed sheep's reaction dead-on.ChrisSpartan117

No.

He took people who talk about sales.

And people who realize the limitations of the console.

Those aren't the same people.