The Wii is just as good of a, if not a better, value as the PS3.

Note: New thread title, same thread. I think it needed to make a bolder statement that would attract posts and one that was closer to my core argument.

First of all, I want to start this thread off by saying I am not against any of the three consoles. I own a Wii, I plan on getting a PS3 very soon and I will eventually purchase an X-Box 360 sometime in the future. I do my best to defend all three consoles here, but as I own a Wii and know it best (I've never played a PS3 or 360), I must admit I spend a bit more time defending it right now. I'm telling you this because I do not want you to take this thread the wrong way. In the end it's all about preference, I'm just presenting facts and my personal opinion. Shall we begin?

First of all, let me establish the rules of the first part of my post. What do you need to play a game? A console (which includes a controller of course)and a game, correct? Therefore, for the first of this post that is the formula I will be following. You only need a console and one video game* in order to use both.

First of all we have the X-Box 360:

Core Console: $300.00 USD

One video game: $60.00 USD

Total=$360.00 USD

Playstation 3:

60GB Model: $500.00 USD

One video game: $60.00 USD

Total=$560.00 USD

Nintendo Wii:

Wii Console: $250.00 USD

One video game: $50.00 USD

Total=$300.00 USD

Now, with the price of each system and one video game in mind, let's take a look at the differences in price. A Playstation 3 and one video game is $200.00 USD more than the X-Box 360+one game and $260.00 USD more than the Wii+one game. This is where most PS3 enthusiasts would say, despite the vast difference in price you get more bang for your buck with the PS3. They will bring up many features of the PS3 and state that the X-Box 360 core console is a budget console with no good features and that the Wii is also a budget console that is vastly underpowered. However, in arguing such a point they are forgetting one thing: you don't need all of the those features such as a BluRay player and HD graphics to play a video game, you just need the console. Something both the Wii and the 360 can do at a much cheaper price than the PS3.

However, I'm going to take it a step further with the Wii. Let's remember that the difference in price of a Wii+one game and a PS3+one game is $260.00 USD and that the total of a PS3 and a game is $560.00 USD. Let's take a look at what you could do with that extra money if you are debating on whether you should purchase a PS3 or Nintendo Wii this year at Christmas.

For the price of one PS3 and one video game you can purchase:

Nintendo Wii Console: $250.00 USD

Super Paper Mario: $50.00 USD

Metroid Prime 3: $50.00 USD

Super Mario Galaxy: $50.00 USD

Super Smash Brothers Brawl: $50.00 USD

Plus one other game of your choice: $50.00 USD

2 NES VC games: $10.00 USD

Total=$560.00

For the price of a PS3 plus one video game, you can get a Wii, five video games and 2 NES VC games. I don't care what system you support most, that's a good deal.

Now, to be fair, let's put the X-Box 360 up against the Wii. The X-Box 360 and one game comes to $360.00 USD.

Nintendo Wii Console: $250.00 USD

Super Mario Galaxy: $50.00 USD

Super Smash Brothers Brawl: $50.00 USD

2 NES VC games: $10.00 USD

Total=$360.00 USD

So, for the price of one 360 core console and one video game, you can get a Wii, two video games and 2 VC games. Not bad, but not as good of a deal as the Wii vs. PS3. However, it's still four video games and a console for the price of one X-Box 360 and a game.

Now, I know the many gamers do not prefer Nintendo's first party titles, but that's not the point. The main point I'm trying to drive home is that when put up against the other consoles, the initial purchase of the Wii gets just as much bang for it's buck at they do. In the end, as I just said, it's all about preference and the sooner many at System Wars realizes that, the sooner we can all get along. But hey, where is the fun in that? ;)

*I'm using the standard price for a game on each console.

bang? for buck?csimonma

Fixed. :P

The Ps3 has the most value out of all three obviously.achilles614

Please explain.

probaly the 360 because it has a good library of games and after the price drops you will be able to get one for $250 which is nice if you just want to play games and don't want all that other junk you don't needmastershake575

I actually agree with you. This is more of a PS3 vs. Wii thread. I only included the X-Box 360 to silence cows before they complain about it not being present.

[QUOTE="achilles614"]The Ps3 has the most value out of all three obviously.TreyoftheDead

Please explain.

:| It's has the most value because it offer more than the others.

[QUOTE="achilles614"]The Ps3 has the most value out of all three obviously.TreyoftheDead

Please explain.

probaly the 360 because it has a good library of games and after the price drops you will be able to get one for $250 which is nice if you just want to play games and don't want all that other junk you don't needmastershake575

but value is not determine by what you want...sigh...nevermind it's useless.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="achilles614"]The Ps3 has the most value out of all three obviously.IbukiNinja

Please explain.

:| It's has the most value because it offer more than the others.

I can't tell if you are being sarastic or not. :P

If you aren't, then I covered this in my post. We aren't talking extra features, we are talking about what you need to play a video game. A console and one video game. That's all.

[QUOTE="IbukiNinja"][QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="achilles614"]The Ps3 has the most value out of all three obviously.TreyoftheDead

Please explain.

:| It's has the most value because it offer more than the others.

I can't tell if you are being sarastic or not. :P

If you aren't, then I covered this in my post. We aren't talking extra features, we are talking about what you need to play a video game. A console and one video game. That's all.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="achilles614"]The Ps3 has the most value out of all three obviously.achilles614

Please explain.

I covered this in my post. You don't need a BluRay player (and I mean with regards to playing movies)to play a game, so bringing in the fact that BluRay players cost a lot or that you have to buy a HD-DVd player for the 360 to play movies doesn't matter. You only need a PS3 and a video game in order to get use out of both.

[QUOTE="IbukiNinja"][QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="achilles614"]The Ps3 has the most value out of all three obviously.TreyoftheDead

Please explain.

:| It's has the most value because it offer more than the others.

I can't tell if you are being sarastic or not. :P

If you aren't, then I covered this in my post. We aren't talking extra features, we are talking about what you need to play a video game. A console and one video game. That's all.

I still go with PS3. Tekken DR and Ninja Gaiden Sigma is really hitting the G-spot. g = gaming

If someone is buying a game console to play the best games then the 360 is hands down the best choice.bluebrad1974

Tekken DR > anything on the 360. That's my honest opinion.

[QUOTE="mastershake575"]probaly the 360 because it has a good library of games and after the price drops you will be able to get one for $250 which is nice if you just want to play games and don't want all that other junk you don't needIbukiNinja

but value is not determine by what you want...sigh...nevermind it's useless.

Ps3 is the least expensive and best quality bluray player you can buy on the market. It also comes with wi-fi, HDMI, 60gb's, it upscales your dvd movies to HD, ps1/ps2 games to HD, and cd's to 320 output, and it has free online multiplayer. But if you don't have an HDTV, then all a lot of that is useless. Total $499

360 currently has the best games. You can buy a core for $300, get a hard drive $94.99, hd-dvd player $187.99, wireless adaptor, $84.99, online play $50 to compare to the features of the ps3. That comes to a total of 717.19

It all comes down the games though, and the 360 wins in this category for now.

Ps3 is the least expensive and best quality bluray player you can buy on the market. It also comes with wi-fi, HDMI, 60gb's, it upscales your dvd movies to HD, ps1/ps2 games to HD, and cd's to 320 output, and it has free online multiplayer. But if you don't have an HDTV, then all a lot of that is useless. Total $499

360 currently has the best games. You can buy a core for $300, get a hard drive $94.99, hd-dvd player $187.99, wireless adaptor, $84.99, online play $50 to compare to the features of the ps3. That comes to a total of 717.19

It all comes down the games though, and the 360 wins in this category for now.

TheDuffman26

Did you read my post?

[QUOTE="TheDuffman26"]

Ps3 is the least expensive and best quality bluray player you can buy on the market. It also comes with wi-fi, HDMI, 60gb's, it upscales your dvd movies to HD, ps1/ps2 games to HD, and cd's to 320 output, and it has free online multiplayer. But if you don't have an HDTV, then all a lot of that is useless. Total $499

360 currently has the best games. You can buy a core for $300, get a hard drive $94.99, hd-dvd player $187.99, wireless adaptor, $84.99, online play $50 to compare to the features of the ps3. That comes to a total of 717.19

It all comes down the games though, and the 360 wins in this category for now.

TreyoftheDead

Did you read my post?

Yes I read your post and I also read the topic title: Do you get more bang for your buck when you purchase a PS3 or 360?, and I replied accordingly. Sorry I left the wii out of it and in my opinion it shoudln't even be compared to a ps3 or 360 as it is vastly different in every aspect including, system, games, game play, etc....

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"][QUOTE="TheDuffman26"]

Ps3 is the least expensive and best quality bluray player you can buy on the market. It also comes with wi-fi, HDMI, 60gb's, it upscales your dvd movies to HD, ps1/ps2 games to HD, and cd's to 320 output, and it has free online multiplayer. But if you don't have an HDTV, then all a lot of that is useless. Total $499

360 currently has the best games. You can buy a core for $300, get a hard drive $94.99, hd-dvd player $187.99, wireless adaptor, $84.99, online play $50 to compare to the features of the ps3. That comes to a total of 717.19

It all comes down the games though, and the 360 wins in this category for now.

TheDuffman26

Did you read my post?

Yes I read your post and I also read the topic title: Do you get more bang for your buck when you purchase a PS3 or 360?, and I replied accordingly. Sorry I left the wii out of it and in my opinion it shoudln't even be compared to a ps3 or 360 as it is vastly different in every aspect including, system, games, game play, etc....

That was just the title, which you shouldn't respond to. I stated in my post that my argument is only concerned with games and only what you need to play them. And if you consider the PS3/360 vastly superior to the Wii then this thread wasn't meant to convert you, I stated very clearly if you were considering a Wii, and I don't think you ever will.

[QUOTE="TheDuffman26"][QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"][QUOTE="TheDuffman26"]

Ps3 is the least expensive and best quality bluray player you can buy on the market. It also comes with wi-fi, HDMI, 60gb's, it upscales your dvd movies to HD, ps1/ps2 games to HD, and cd's to 320 output, and it has free online multiplayer. But if you don't have an HDTV, then all a lot of that is useless. Total $499

360 currently has the best games. You can buy a core for $300, get a hard drive $94.99, hd-dvd player $187.99, wireless adaptor, $84.99, online play $50 to compare to the features of the ps3. That comes to a total of 717.19

It all comes down the games though, and the 360 wins in this category for now.

TreyoftheDead

Did you read my post?

Yes I read your post and I also read the topic title: Do you get more bang for your buck when you purchase a PS3 or 360?, and I replied accordingly. Sorry I left the wii out of it and in my opinion it shoudln't even be compared to a ps3 or 360 as it is vastly different in every aspect including, system, games, game play, etc....

That was just the title, which you shouldn't respond to. I stated in my post that my argument is only concerned with games and only what you need to play them. And if you consider the PS3/360 vastly superior to the Wii then this thread wasn't meant to convert you, I stated very clearly if you were considering a Wii, and I don't think you ever will.

Sorry I replied to your thread title. Have fun with your Wii and your Wii games

Sorry I replied to your thread title. Have fun with your Wii and your Wii games

TheDuffman26

I will. :P

You've changed the thread title...

but now that I've read the TP, I still disagree. If Wii's controls don't interest or impress you, then you're left with some pretty poor games no matter the cost. I would really rather have a 360 and Gears than A Wii, 2 games, and 2 VC games...or whatever the combo works out to. You're getting more stuff, but you're not necessarily getting "more"

[QUOTE="mastershake575"]probaly the 360 because it has a good library of games and after the price drops you will be able to get one for $250 which is nice if you just want to play games and don't want all that other junk you don't needIbukiNinja

but value is not determine by what you want...sigh...nevermind it's useless.

You've changed the thread title...

but now that I've read the TP, I still disagree. If Wii's controls don't interest or impress you, then you're left with some pretty poor games no matter the cost. I would really rather have a 360 and Gears than A Wii, 2 games, and 2 VC games...or whatever the combo works out to. You're getting more stuff, but you're not necessarily getting "more"

whoisryanmack

I understand.

Which is why I was sure to mention "if you are considering the Wii". If you are not interested or impressed by the Wii's controls then I doubt you would consider it. I was simply pointing out a great value to those who are interested in the Wii.

As for the change of thread title, I wanted to make a more bold statement with it. I'm interested in what people think of my argument and I felt that the original title wasn't going to attract as many people as the new one. Though it could just be a bad thread. ;)

you have proven your point-if you make enough wii friendly rules about the comparison and warp it into such a way that only the good features of the wii are counted but anything the wii doesnt have wont count then it is effectively impossible to judge. congrats.

what you have basically done is say hey look at this calculator it costs $100 and it can count numbers. if we compare it with a $1500 computer that can do way more BUT we only compare the fact that they can both count numbers than the calculator is a better value. yay for the calculator. it is an irrelevant comaprison.

hey the ps3 has better blu-ray capabilities. if we compare only that then the ps3 is a better value. so there it is. you cant talk about one part of the product, its not fair.
cliff122316

These are gaming machines. I was focusing on the most important part of what these machines do: you play video games on them. If you are interested in the Wii and are only interested in playing video games, then my point is a great value. Yes, if you bring other features in then the Wii is not as valuable. However, as I stated in my post, you do not need those features to play a video game.

Value all depends on what you're looking for in your console. I'll say I get the best value from PS3, because it has more of what I'm looking for, someone else may say the Wii or 360. You can't put a set value on something for all people.

I don't know why I try to introduce logic in SW, I'm going back to lurking.

Value all depends on what you're looking for in your console. I'll say I get the best value from PS3, because it has more of what I'm looking for, someone else may say the Wii or 360. You can't put a set value on something for all people.

I don't know why I try to introduce logic in SW, I'm going back to lurking.

jonny2x4

I agree. I stated in my post that in the end it's all about preference. The bold thread title is just meant to bring people in, I honestly don't think the Wii is a better value than the PS3. I simply think the Wii is a good value considering what you can get for the price of one PS3 and one PS3 game.

You're right this is how a clueless parent might look at it. A console is a console. A game is a game. I'll buy the cheaper ones. But anyone with sense knows that there are some massive differences between those consoles and those games.

The Wii is overpriced at $250, period. They're selling ancient weak hardware for new console price and is worth $150 tops. The games are all $50 yet all require no more effort than last gen games and can be made on a low low budget. Why aren't they priced $20-$50 depending on content and budget? Still would make tons of money while giving value to consumers. VC games are small ROM downloads for $5/8/10 each.... what an outrageous rip-off. You can steal the entire SNES library and play them on your PC with an upscaling emulator. Why are you letting Nintendo get away with charging prices you'd expect for a hard copy?

Thing is Nintendo does not give a damn about value to consumers. They're ripping everyone off with they're little gimmick and getting away with it. I'm sure you would be all up in arms if Sony re-released PS2 with Eyetoy and motion control as standard then tried to sell it for $250. But why do you all let Nintendo get away with this?

These are gaming machines. I was focusing on the most important part of what these machines do: you play video games on them. If you are interested in the Wii and are only interested in playing video games, then my point is a great value. Yes, if you bring other features in then the Wii is not as valuable. However, as I stated in my post, you do not need those features to play a video game. TreyoftheDead

I can play a video game on my $40 phone.. I can buy a ps2 for 129.99 that plays video games and I maybe could find a NES at a garage sale that plays video games. What is your point? Just because a Wii can play video games doesn't make it a good value....

[QUOTE="cliff122316"]you have proven your point-if you make enough wii friendly rules about the comparison and warp it into such a way that only the good features of the wii are counted but anything the wii doesnt have wont count then it is effectively impossible to judge. congrats.

what you have basically done is say hey look at this calculator it costs $100 and it can count numbers. if we compare it with a $1500 computer that can do way more BUT we only compare the fact that they can both count numbers than the calculator is a better value. yay for the calculator. it is an irrelevant comaprison.

hey the ps3 has better blu-ray capabilities. if we compare only that then the ps3 is a better value. so there it is. you cant talk about one part of the product, its not fair.
TreyoftheDead

These are gaming machines. I was focusing on the most important part of what these machines do: you play video games on them. If you are interested in the Wii and are only interested in playing video games, then my point is a great value. Yes, if you bring other features in then the Wii is not as valuable. However, as I stated in my post, you do not need those features to play a video game.

so you mean that your post was effectively entirely personal opinion then. for the parts of the console that YOU personally choose to compare the wii is about the same as the ps3. i mean come on the graphical difference is enough that they are about equal value wise even in your twisted comparison. and dont include the games. thats BS its not part of the console. you dont have to buy $60 games. i have found plenty of $30 ones that are great. so i could say that for ME in what I personally value the ps3 has cheaper games and is therefore a better value in the same way you are trying unsuccessfully to spin the wii vs ps3 in general



but the fact remains that as a product the ps3 is a better value than the wii. there is no way to deny that.

You're right this is how a clueless parent might look at it. A console is a console. A game is a game. I'll buy the cheaper ones. But anyone with sense knows that there are some massive differences between those consoles and those games.

The Wii is overpriced at $250, period. They're selling ancient weak hardware for new console price and is worth $150 tops. The games are all $50 yet all require no more effort than last gen games and can be made on a low low budget. Why aren't they priced $20-$50 depending on content and budget? Still would make tons of money while giving value to consumers. VC games are small ROM downloads for $5/8/10 each.... what an outrageous rip-off. You can steal the entire SNES library and play them on your PC with an upscaling emulator. Why are you letting Nintendo get away with charging prices you'd expect for a hard copy?

Thing is Nintendo does not give a damn about value to consumers. They're ripping everyone off with they're little gimmick and getting away with it. I'm sure you would be all up in arms if Sony re-released PS2 with Eyetoy and motion control as standard then tried to sell it for $250. But why do you all let Nintendo get away with this?

Lazy_Boy88

I don't think only a clueless parent would look at it like this. If you have $600 and you are interested in Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl or any other Wii games, then it's a good value compared to getting a PS3 with one game.

If I enjoyed such a Sony system as much as I am enjoying my Wii then I would let Sony "get away with it." I bought a Wii because of what it offers, I'll be buying a PS3 soon because of what it offers. Same with the 360 down the road. It's as simple as that.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="cliff122316"]you have proven your point-if you make enough wii friendly rules about the comparison and warp it into such a way that only the good features of the wii are counted but anything the wii doesnt have wont count then it is effectively impossible to judge. congrats.

what you have basically done is say hey look at this calculator it costs $100 and it can count numbers. if we compare it with a $1500 computer that can do way more BUT we only compare the fact that they can both count numbers than the calculator is a better value. yay for the calculator. it is an irrelevant comaprison.

hey the ps3 has better blu-ray capabilities. if we compare only that then the ps3 is a better value. so there it is. you cant talk about one part of the product, its not fair.
cliff122316

These are gaming machines. I was focusing on the most important part of what these machines do: you play video games on them. If you are interested in the Wii and are only interested in playing video games, then my point is a great value. Yes, if you bring other features in then the Wii is not as valuable. However, as I stated in my post, you do not need those features to play a video game.

so you mean that your post was effectively entirely personal opinion then. for the parts of the console that YOU personally choose to compare the wii is about the same as the ps3. i mean come on the graphical difference is enough that they are about equal value wise even in your twisted comparison. and dont include the games. thats BS its not part of the console. you dont have to buy $60 games. i have found plenty of $30 ones that are great. so i could say that for ME in what I personally value the ps3 has cheaper games and is therefore a better value in the same way you are trying unsuccessfully to spin the wii vs ps3 in general



but the fact remains that as a product the ps3 is a better value than the wii. there is no way to deny that.

Sure, you can find a better value if you buy used games or get your console/games off of ebay. However, not everyone does that. So, I included the standard price for both the console and the games if you were to buy them new.

The simple point I was trying to make with my entire post is that you get five games and a Wii for the price of one PS3 and one PS3 game. That's a good value if you are interested in the Wii.

And I never stated that when considering the overall system the PS3 is still not as good of a value as the Wii.

well not really, it just depends on whos buying it. Nongamers would crave the wii (soccer moms, grannys, 5 year olds) and core gamers would crave 360/ps3(us and some casuals who like halo/ff). Obviously wii has the price point, but then again you pay for what you get. 360/ps3 (more ip's and core games along with better grafix/online). With the wii, you get a new controller that costs really low (the console not the controller) but you do get a new expierince and its going to be fun playing with people who you would of thouht in the past were not gamers(4th cousins, retired grandmothers).ganon42

Once again, if you are a core gamer who is interested in the Wii and Nintendo's first party games that are being released this Holiday season and you cannot afford both a PS3 and a Wii at the time, then being able to get five Wii games plus the console for the price of a PS3 and one game is a strong reason to get a Wii.

However, I'll say it again...it's all about preference. Personal opinion. If you are not impresed by the Wii then there is no way my thread will convert you, however, if you are interested then it may help you with your decision.

People are treating this thread as if I am stating a fact. This assumption is based, I think, on the thread title. I am not. I mention in the OP that I am stating my personal opinion based on facts. I openly admit the thread title is a bit misleading, but it's doing what I wanted it to do: bringing people into this thread.

TC is just an attention whore. Ignore his thread title and his lame opinionsTheDuffman26

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