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Jesus. Thank god for showing me the light!
I'm going to stop having fun, playing with my wii now.
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WHY IS THIS SO HARD?
Think about it actually use your head on this one.Well there is one correct thing in your post, I did buy it for the fun part :)
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
Think about it actually use your head on this one.Here's a little clue. The DS is "gimmicky" and "fun". It didn't attract people because of it's awesome line up of GTA stories. . .it sold because it was "fun". The Wii is just taking that portable "fun" idea and moving it to the living room. For me, the Wii is when you have a party and a group of friends come over and you want to just have "fun". I don't know about you but, usually when I have a party chicks are there; And usually chicks aren't too into taking rounds in Gears deathmatch. Yet Wii Sports? Totally down for that.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
I agree. I got one at launch & my initial enjoyment of it faded quickly, (pretty much right after beating Twilight Princess actually). Now my PS3 & 360 get much play & my Wii gets almost no play at all. Just like last gen with the GC. When will I ever learn???ColoradoKindBud
For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase. All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3). Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.BasinboyLet me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64.
[QUOTE="Basinboy"]For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase. All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3). Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.Zaistev_basicLet me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64. He's right dude. Before the launch many people were skitpical so they did not want to risk. They wanted to play it safe (Make games or Sony and Mircosoft) but now that they see it is the real deal they are just begining to jump on the band wagon. Wait and you will see more games come out at a faster pace if this continues.
[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]I agree. I got one at launch & my initial enjoyment of it faded quickly, (pretty much right after beating Twilight Princess actually). Now my PS3 & 360 get much play & my Wii gets almost no play at all. Just like last gen with the GC. When will I ever learn???voxware00
I got all systems at launch. I have Resistance, FNR3, Genji ,RR7, CoD3 for the PS3. I have way too many 360 games to even list. And on the Wii I have LOZ:TP, Trauma Center, Raving Rabbids, Red Steel & Warioware, (and of course Wiisports). I pretty much dislike every Wii game that I have except for TP.Â
Raving Rabbids was decent but can be beaten in less than 2 hours & gets old very quick, (even with friends), same exact thing with Warioware. Trauma Center is decent but the controls are hit or miss, nowhere near as accurate as they need to be for some of the tougher surgeries. Red Steel just sucks IMO, although I did play all the way through, but the controls totally ruin it. And pretty much every game except for Zelda looks like a DS game on a bigger screen, the graphics suck!Â
Then throw in the fact that there's basically no online support for games, (even after all these years I'm still waiting for a unified online structure from Nintendo), and no HD support which should be a given nowadays, & you can't even watch DVD's with the Wii, (I would never use the Wii for DVD playback but other systems have offered that feature for years & years now). Add all that up and you really just have a trifecta of suckage. Not trying to piss anyone off, it's just my opinion of the Wii.Â
For all the people who love the system, more power to you, it just isn't cutting it for me.
Think about it actually use your head on this one.Another poster on another forum said the same thing to me, except it was about the PS3. He said something along the lines of "Thats all the PS3 has become now, an impulse buy..." It's weird how that works. The Wii was curtainly not an impulse buy on my part.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
Think about it actually use your head on this one.You are only partly correct. It was an impulse buy for one reason: Zelda TP. If TP didn't exist, the Wii would not have sold. So, this means another Gamecube repeat in terms of third party support and console sales.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
I waited in line for over 10hrs to get one, and Wii has held my interest. Make a note to yourself as well, that Wii is not repeating the mistakes of Gamecube.YearoftheSnake5How can you say that when the lineup is identical to the GC lineup years ago? All NIntendo 1st party games and hardly any new IPs. Just Zelda, Mario, and Metroid...again...
[QUOTE="voxware00"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]I agree. I got one at launch & my initial enjoyment of it faded quickly, (pretty much right after beating Twilight Princess actually). Now my PS3 & 360 get much play & my Wii gets almost no play at all. Just like last gen with the GC. When will I ever learn???ColoradoKindBud
I got all systems at launch. I have Resistance, FNR3, Genji ,RR7, CoD3 for the PS3. I have way too many 360 games to even list. And on the Wii I have LOZ:TP, Trauma Center, Raving Rabbids, Red Steel & Warioware, (and of course Wiisports). I pretty much dislike every Wii game that I have except for TP.
Raving Rabbids was decent but can be beaten in less than 2 hours & gets old very quick, (even with friends), same exact thing with Warioware. Trauma Center is decent but the controls are hit or miss, nowhere near as accurate as they need to be for some of the tougher surgeries. Red Steel just sucks IMO, although I did play all the way through, but the controls totally ruin it. And pretty much every game except for Zelda looks like a DS game on a bigger screen, the graphics suck!
Then throw in the fact that there's basically no online support for games, (even after all these years I'm still waiting for a unified online structure from Nintendo), and no HD support which should be a give nowadays, and you really just have a tirfecta of suckage. Not trying to piss anyone off, it's just my opinion of the Wii.
Nintendo tried to sell 5$ heaters to Minnesota now? I think I'm really confused..They did sell vaccuum cleaners, as well as run a love hotel and a Taxi service at one time. The running a love hotel bit is an interesting valentines Nintendo fact.
so are they still selling systems? Why only to this one location? Did you hear this from Iwata, G4... let me know man, I'm going crazy because I happen to LIVE in Minnesota and I really need 5$ heaters, so does everyone i know
voxware00
[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"][QUOTE="voxware00"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]I agree. I got one at launch & my initial enjoyment of it faded quickly, (pretty much right after beating Twilight Princess actually). Now my PS3 & 360 get much play & my Wii gets almost no play at all. Just like last gen with the GC. When will I ever learn???voxware00
I got all systems at launch. I have Resistance, FNR3, Genji ,RR7, CoD3 for the PS3. I have way too many 360 games to even list. And on the Wii I have LOZ:TP, Trauma Center, Raving Rabbids, Red Steel & Warioware, (and of course Wiisports). I pretty much dislike every Wii game that I have except for TP.
Raving Rabbids was decent but can be beaten in less than 2 hours & gets old very quick, (even with friends), same exact thing with Warioware. Trauma Center is decent but the controls are hit or miss, nowhere near as accurate as they need to be for some of the tougher surgeries. Red Steel just sucks IMO, although I did play all the way through, but the controls totally ruin it. And pretty much every game except for Zelda looks like a DS game on a bigger screen, the graphics suck!
Then throw in the fact that there's basically no online support for games, (even after all these years I'm still waiting for a unified online structure from Nintendo), and no HD support which should be a give nowadays, and you really just have a tirfecta of suckage. Not trying to piss anyone off, it's just my opinion of the Wii.
I'm not here to defend my PS3 purchase, this thread is talking about the Wii, & I was giving my opinion on the Wii.Â
[QUOTE="voxware00"]Nintendo tried to sell 5$ heaters to Minnesota now? I think I'm really confused..They did sell vaccuum cleaners, as well as run a love hotel and a Taxi service at one time. The running a love hotel bit is an interesting valentines Nintendo fact.
so are they still selling systems? Why only to this one location? Did you hear this from Iwata, G4... let me know man, I'm going crazy because I happen to LIVE in Minnesota and I really need 5$ heaters, so does everyone i know
Tylendal
:lol:
When I first heard about that, my reaction was like this --->o_O!!!!!
Think about it actually use your head on this one.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
Thats what i think. The onyl thign the wii is good for is the wiimote.
You got your Wii already? Congrats.Zhengi
They did sell vaccuum cleaners, as well as run a love hotel and a Taxi service at one time. The running a love hotel bit is an interesting valentines Nintendo fact.[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="voxware00"]Nintendo tried to sell 5$ heaters to Minnesota now? I think I'm really confused..
so are they still selling systems? Why only to this one location? Did you hear this from Iwata, G4... let me know man, I'm going crazy because I happen to LIVE in Minnesota and I really need 5$ heaters, so does everyone i know
Moon_of_Majora
:lol:
When I first heard about that, my reaction was like this --->o_O!!!!!
They've been around for a hundred years, there's very little they haven't dabbled in.[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="Basinboy"]For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase. All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3). Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.chansaetLet me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64. He's right dude. Before the launch many people were skitpical so they did not want to risk. They wanted to play it safe (Make games or Sony and Mircosoft) but now that they see it is the real deal they are just begining to jump on the band wagon. Wait and you will see more games come out at a faster pace if this continues.
Actually, developers jumped ship from the Saturn because the PS1 offered a storage medium developers could more accurately gauge demand with; it had very little to do with adoption rate. Saturn tried to fix its own mistake, but failed miserably, while Nintendo merely made their console the cheapest of the bunch while sticking with an illogical storage medium. As such, the software was gravely overpriced, which ultimately dragged Nintendo down.
In this situation, however, it's not so much that developers can't make money with the Wii, but it's the restrictions the Wii is putting on developers. The Wii's intent is solely to attract new ideas to gaming, or in other words, solely attract new ideas of gameplay. Today, games embody much more than just gameplay, but the Wii does not take that into account. Nintendo will make great use of their console, but the question is does a creative developer want to work with the Wii when the world and experience they want to simulate can be done more to their image on the other consoles? That's where I base my decision for the Wii, because if I were a developer trying to create something in my head, I would prefer to work with either 360 or PS3.
[QUOTE="Zhengi"]You got your Wii already? Congrats.foxhound_fox
Let me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64. He's right dude. Before the launch many people were skitpical so they did not want to risk. They wanted to play it safe (Make games or Sony and Mircosoft) but now that they see it is the real deal they are just begining to jump on the band wagon. Wait and you will see more games come out at a faster pace if this continues.[QUOTE="chansaet"][QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="Basinboy"]For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase. All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3). Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.Basinboy
Actually, developers jumped ship from the Saturn because the PS1 offered a storage medium developers could more accurately gauge demand with; it had very little to do with adoption rate. Saturn tried to fix its own mistake, but failed miserably, while Nintendo merely made their console the cheapest of the bunch while sticking with an illogical storage medium. As such, the software was gravely overpriced, which ultimately dragged Nintendo down.
In this situation, however, it's not so much that developers can't make money with the Wii, but it's the restrictions the Wii is putting on developers. The Wii's intent is solely to attract new ideas to gaming, or in other words, solely attract new ideas of gameplay. Today, games embody much more than just gameplay, but the Wii does not take that into account. Nintendo will make great use of their console, but the question is does a creative developer want to work with the Wii when the world and experience they want to simulate can be done more to their image on the other consoles? That's where I base my decision for the Wii, because if I were a developer trying to create something in my head, I would prefer to work with either 360 or PS3.
The restriction is not because developer can't be creative to imply the Wiimote. The developer choose not too, or rather not yet. As I said, the developer were developing games for X360 and PS3 before the system were released. Wii is a different case. First, it's GC failure discourage developers for developing game for Wii in the early stages. Of course, developers will choose X360 and PS3 due to their predecessor and ESPECIALLY the western developers (as they are more fast sell and graphics-oriented than innovation). This is why PS3 and X360 are afraid because Wii indeed has penetrated mainstream casuals and non-gamers that it divides away from the hardcores. Developers can always change their minds and it happened in many cases. If ever you're a developer, you are a developer that targets hardcore gamers who are graphic-oriented and in a gaming as a lifestyle than for casuals because you are selling software not hardware. But we are not talking about software games here are we? For now, X360 and PS3 have teh software but as soon as the reality of the pricing of the console is realized as casuals already did, they might be influenced too. SO it really depends on opinion really whether you are a hardcore or a casual. Regarding to PS1, Sega saturn also has the same medium (CDs) but it is hard to develop for (2 GPUs)despite better graphic potential. This time around, it is the consumers who will drive the console around, not the developers. Lastly, don't forget that Japanese developers are starting to develop for Wii except for Capcom.Think about it actually use your head on this one.I agree having fun while playing games is for squares. *continues playing css*
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
[QUOTE="Basinboy"]Let me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64. He's right dude. Before the launch many people were skitpical so they did not want to risk. They wanted to play it safe (Make games or Sony and Mircosoft) but now that they see it is the real deal they are just begining to jump on the band wagon. Wait and you will see more games come out at a faster pace if this continues.[QUOTE="chansaet"][QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="Basinboy"]For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase. All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3). Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.Zaistev_basic
Actually, developers jumped ship from the Saturn because the PS1 offered a storage medium developers could more accurately gauge demand with; it had very little to do with adoption rate. Saturn tried to fix its own mistake, but failed miserably, while Nintendo merely made their console the cheapest of the bunch while sticking with an illogical storage medium. As such, the software was gravely overpriced, which ultimately dragged Nintendo down.
In this situation, however, it's not so much that developers can't make money with the Wii, but it's the restrictions the Wii is putting on developers. The Wii's intent is solely to attract new ideas to gaming, or in other words, solely attract new ideas of gameplay. Today, games embody much more than just gameplay, but the Wii does not take that into account. Nintendo will make great use of their console, but the question is does a creative developer want to work with the Wii when the world and experience they want to simulate can be done more to their image on the other consoles? That's where I base my decision for the Wii, because if I were a developer trying to create something in my head, I would prefer to work with either 360 or PS3.
The restriction is not because developer can't be creative to imply the Wiimote. The developer choose not too, or rather not yet. As I said, the developer were developing games for X360 and PS3 before the system were released. Wii is a different case. First, it's GC failure discourage developers for developing game for Wii in the early stages. Of course, developers will choose X360 and PS3 due to their predecessor and ESPECIALLY the western developers (as they are more fast sell and graphics-oriented than innovation). This is why PS3 and X360 are afraid because Wii indeed has penetrated mainstream casuals and non-gamers that it divides away from the hardcores. Developers can always change their minds and it happened in many cases. If ever you're a developer, you are a developer that targets hardcore gamers who are graphic-oriented and in a gaming as a lifestyle than for casuals because you are selling software not hardware. But we are not talking about software games here are we? For now, X360 and PS3 have teh software but as soon as the reality of the pricing of the console is realized as casuals already did, they might be influenced too. SO it really depends on opinion really whether you are a hardcore or a casual. Regarding to PS1, Sega saturn also has the same medium (CDs) but it is hard to develop for (2 GPUs)despite better graphic potential. This time around, it is the consumers who will drive the console around, not the developers. Lastly, don't forget that Japanese developers are starting to develop for Wii except for Capcom.The lack of creative implementation isn't solely due to the choice not to, but rather can a game controller give simple commands with such very few buttons or options for action? Can we create a world both through hardware capabilities and user interaction that meets the standard I have constructed in my own imagination? Ultimately, I find that the hardware benefit, which is a very heavy influence on many developers, is too great to ignore the 360 and PS3 and prefer the Wii over the other two. The source of my reasoning lies in games that you don't just "play," but "experience." Such games are, IMO,: Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Huxley, World of Warcraft, Myst, and many, many more. I find that the Wii ignores many of the broad facets of games and alienates them solely to open up the idea of "playing games," the key word being "playing," to those who don't normally. It's a great idea, though I find that there has to be balance between gameplay and the various facets of games. I do not see the Wii as a "balanced" system.
And BTW, wasn't the Saturn underpowed compared to the PS1? I remember the PS1 was a 32bit console and the Saturn had to add the 32X peripherial in order to compete. I am probably mistaken, as I wasn't nearly as interested in "bits" and "processors" back then as I am now.
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