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#1 Tony-Baxter
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Think about it actually use your head on this one.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
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#2 The_Pimp_dawg
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It's working for me :D i want one!
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#3 Kahuna_1
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I camped 7 hours for it, so I have to disagree with you.
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#4 mushroomscout89
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Jesus. Thank god for showing me the light!

I'm going to stop having fun, playing with my wii now.

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WHY IS THIS SO HARD?

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#5 voxware00
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Nintendo tried to sell 5$ heaters to Minnesota now? I think I'm really confused..
so are they still selling systems?  Why only to this one location?  Did you hear this from Iwata, G4... let me know man, I'm going crazy because I happen to LIVE in Minnesota and I really need 5$ heaters, so does everyone i know

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#6 Basinboy
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For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase.  All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3).  Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.
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#7 Kaarstein
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Think about it actually use your head on this one.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
Well there is one correct thing in your post, I did buy it for the fun part :)
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#8 mythrol
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Think about it actually use your head on this one.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
Here's a little clue. The DS is "gimmicky" and "fun". It didn't attract people because of it's awesome line up of GTA stories. . .it sold because it was "fun". The Wii is just taking that portable "fun" idea and moving it to the living room. For me, the Wii is when you have a party and a group of friends come over and you want to just have "fun". I don't know about you but, usually when I have a party chicks are there; And usually chicks aren't too into taking rounds in Gears deathmatch. Yet Wii Sports? Totally down for that.
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#9 Zhengi
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It's not an impulse buy. An impulse buy suggests that the system is available in store and people just out of nowhere decide to buy it.

So far, there have been lines of people waiting upwards of 7 hours to buy the system. The Wii is sold out everywhere. THAT is not impulse buying.

Fission mailed.

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#10 yodariquo
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Please give me your definition of impulse, because I didn't know you could line up to have one.
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#11 ColoradoKindBud
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I agree.  I got one at launch & my initial enjoyment of it faded quickly, (pretty much right after beating Twilight Princess actually).  Now my PS3 & 360 get much play & my Wii gets almost no play at all.  Just like last gen with the GC.  When will I ever learn???
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#12 sauska_sun
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Ok first of all wii's controler is not a gimmick secound of all wii has awesome games coming out like super smash bros brawl, super mario galaxy, etc.. and its atracting non gamers to start playing games unlike the ps3 that used the SIXAXIS which they copied from nintendo... OWNED
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#13 Vyse_The_Daring
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If you didn't have the picture of all those ps3's stocked up in your sig I would have sworn you were just echoing what a Sony exec said a few weeks ago.
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Please give me your definition of impulse, because I didn't know you could line up to have one.yodariquo

my exact point:lol:

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I agree. I got one at launch & my initial enjoyment of it faded quickly, (pretty much right after beating Twilight Princess actually). Now my PS3 & 360 get much play & my Wii gets almost no play at all. Just like last gen with the GC. When will I ever learn???ColoradoKindBud


your ps3 gets more play than the wii? honestly, what games do you have for both and when did you get both
and do you have people to actually play party games with...

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For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase.  All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3).  Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.Basinboy
Let me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64.
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#17 jacob33301
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It's working for me :D i want one!The_Pimp_dawg
ya i do to =)
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#18 Ichiroisawsome
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This thread is full of opinions passed on as facts.  You don't know what the meaning of "impulse purchasing".  People don't wait in line for the chance to make an impulse purchase.  Next time think before making a thread.
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[QUOTE="Basinboy"]For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase.  All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3).  Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.Zaistev_basic
Let me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64.

He's right dude. Before the launch many people were skitpical so they did not want to risk. They wanted to play it safe (Make games or Sony and Mircosoft) but now that they see it is the real deal they are just begining to jump on the band wagon. Wait and you will see more games come out at a faster pace if this continues.
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[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]I agree. I got one at launch & my initial enjoyment of it faded quickly, (pretty much right after beating Twilight Princess actually). Now my PS3 & 360 get much play & my Wii gets almost no play at all. Just like last gen with the GC. When will I ever learn???voxware00


your ps3 gets more play than the wii? honestly, what games do you have for both and when did you get both
and do you have people to actually play party games with...

I got all systems at launch.  I have Resistance, FNR3, Genji ,RR7, CoD3 for the PS3.  I have way too many 360 games to even list.  And on the Wii I have LOZ:TP, Trauma Center, Raving Rabbids, Red Steel & Warioware, (and of course Wiisports).  I pretty much dislike every Wii game that I have except for TP. 

Raving Rabbids was decent but can be beaten in less than 2 hours & gets old very quick, (even with friends), same exact thing with Warioware.  Trauma Center is decent but the controls are hit or miss, nowhere near as accurate as they need to be for some of the tougher surgeries.  Red Steel just sucks IMO, although I did play all the way through, but the controls totally ruin it.  And pretty much every game except for Zelda looks like a DS game on a bigger screen, the graphics suck! 

Then throw in the fact that there's basically no online support for games, (even after all these years I'm still waiting for a unified online structure from Nintendo), and no HD support which should be a given nowadays, & you can't even watch DVD's with the Wii, (I would never use the Wii for DVD playback but other systems have offered that feature for years & years now).  Add all that up and you really just have a trifecta of suckage.  Not trying to piss anyone off, it's just my opinion of the Wii. 

For all the people who love the system, more power to you, it just isn't cutting it for me.

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You say GC has only 5-9 good titles yet I have 30 solid GC titles. Your logic is abscured.........
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the controller isnt a gimmick it works and provides something new and innovative. as for a game lineup zelda is better than resistance. 8.8 vs. 8.6 dont mention other ratings because lets see zelda wins there 2 look it up. next nintendos lineup keeps building with super mario galaxy, super mario strikers, mario party, super smash bros brawl, metroid prime 3, no more heroes, resident evil umbrella chronicles, project hammer, disaster, fire emblem, battalion wars, throw in online ( gasp nintendo with online yeah im shocked 2), the fact that u can download great classics from 80s 90s and the great games gamecube had ( they had great games like 10, just the system had no depth). y does everybody have to knock on the other systems. let it go not one of them is perfect. 360 is still shooter heaven with its big exclusives being shooters halo 3 and gears of war ps3 is expensive and doesnt have a dominant exclusive line up oh wait none of them do. look the best way is gonna be buy all 3 because lets face it u can name games that one system is getting that will be great and will have no equal on the other 2 so buy all 3. there all good just not perfect.
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I waited in line for over 10hrs to get one, and Wii has held my interest. Make a note to yourself as well, that Wii is not repeating the mistakes of Gamecube.
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Think about it actually use your head on this one.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
Another poster on another forum said the same thing to me, except it was about the PS3. He said something along the lines of "Thats all the PS3 has become now, an impulse buy..." It's weird how that works. The Wii was curtainly not an impulse buy on my part.
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#25 Berserker_2
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Think about it actually use your head on this one.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter
You are only partly correct. It was an impulse buy for one reason: Zelda TP. If TP didn't exist, the Wii would not have sold. So, this means another Gamecube repeat in terms of third party support and console sales.
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You say GC has only 5-9 good titles yet I have 30 solid GC titles. You logic is abscured.........tocool340
I don't think he has a GC or has even played a wii for making that kind of statement. I think it is just jealosy.
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#27 Berserker_2
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I waited in line for over 10hrs to get one, and Wii has held my interest. Make a note to yourself as well, that Wii is not repeating the mistakes of Gamecube.YearoftheSnake5
How can you say that when the lineup is identical to the GC lineup years ago? All NIntendo 1st party games and hardly any new IPs. Just Zelda, Mario, and Metroid...again...
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why do you even bother you have faild

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[QUOTE="voxware00"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]I agree. I got one at launch & my initial enjoyment of it faded quickly, (pretty much right after beating Twilight Princess actually). Now my PS3 & 360 get much play & my Wii gets almost no play at all. Just like last gen with the GC. When will I ever learn???ColoradoKindBud



your ps3 gets more play than the wii? honestly, what games do you have for both and when did you get both
and do you have people to actually play party games with...

I got all systems at launch. I have Resistance, FNR3, Genji ,RR7, CoD3 for the PS3. I have way too many 360 games to even list. And on the Wii I have LOZ:TP, Trauma Center, Raving Rabbids, Red Steel & Warioware, (and of course Wiisports). I pretty much dislike every Wii game that I have except for TP.

Raving Rabbids was decent but can be beaten in less than 2 hours & gets old very quick, (even with friends), same exact thing with Warioware. Trauma Center is decent but the controls are hit or miss, nowhere near as accurate as they need to be for some of the tougher surgeries. Red Steel just sucks IMO, although I did play all the way through, but the controls totally ruin it. And pretty much every game except for Zelda looks like a DS game on a bigger screen, the graphics suck!

Then throw in the fact that there's basically no online support for games, (even after all these years I'm still waiting for a unified online structure from Nintendo), and no HD support which should be a give nowadays, and you really just have a tirfecta of suckage. Not trying to piss anyone off, it's just my opinion of the Wii.



with the exception of movies, i just dont see the need to buy a ps3 yet
do you honestly think rr7, genji, cod3, fnr3 and resistance are enough reason to shell out 600$, especially if you already own a 360
for the price, you get more high ranked exclusives here on gs and most sites , even a couple of better multiplats oddly enough(though ps3 multis never outrank 360 with some exceptions of fnr3 and rr7)
im not trying to be a fanboy ive only owned sony and sega systems

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#30 Tylendal
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Nintendo tried to sell 5$ heaters to Minnesota now? I think I'm really confused..
so are they still selling systems? Why only to this one location? Did you hear this from Iwata, G4... let me know man, I'm going crazy because I happen to LIVE in Minnesota and I really need 5$ heaters, so does everyone i know

voxware00
They did sell vaccuum cleaners, as well as run a love hotel and a Taxi service at one time. The running a love hotel bit is an interesting valentines Nintendo fact.
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#31 ColoradoKindBud
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[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]

[QUOTE="voxware00"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]I agree. I got one at launch & my initial enjoyment of it faded quickly, (pretty much right after beating Twilight Princess actually). Now my PS3 & 360 get much play & my Wii gets almost no play at all. Just like last gen with the GC. When will I ever learn???voxware00



your ps3 gets more play than the wii? honestly, what games do you have for both and when did you get both
and do you have people to actually play party games with...

I got all systems at launch. I have Resistance, FNR3, Genji ,RR7, CoD3 for the PS3. I have way too many 360 games to even list. And on the Wii I have LOZ:TP, Trauma Center, Raving Rabbids, Red Steel & Warioware, (and of course Wiisports). I pretty much dislike every Wii game that I have except for TP.

Raving Rabbids was decent but can be beaten in less than 2 hours & gets old very quick, (even with friends), same exact thing with Warioware. Trauma Center is decent but the controls are hit or miss, nowhere near as accurate as they need to be for some of the tougher surgeries. Red Steel just sucks IMO, although I did play all the way through, but the controls totally ruin it. And pretty much every game except for Zelda looks like a DS game on a bigger screen, the graphics suck!

Then throw in the fact that there's basically no online support for games, (even after all these years I'm still waiting for a unified online structure from Nintendo), and no HD support which should be a give nowadays, and you really just have a tirfecta of suckage. Not trying to piss anyone off, it's just my opinion of the Wii.



with the exception of movies, i just dont see the need to buy a ps3 yet
do you honestly think rr7, genji, cod3, fnr3 and resistance are enough reason to shell out 600$, especially if you already own a 360
for the price, you get more high ranked exclusives here on gs and most sites , even a couple of better multiplats oddly enough(though ps3 multis never outrank 360 with some exceptions of fnr3 and rr7)
im not trying to be a fanboy ive only owned sony and sega systems

I'm not here to defend my PS3 purchase, this thread is talking about the Wii, & I was giving my opinion on the Wii. 

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More of an impulse buy than a PS3. Damn glad I am only impulsed to spending 279.99 CAD and not 699.99 CAD.
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Oh, I agree, I went to the store and was like, yeah i'd like a bag of chips, and some soda, oh and toss in a couple of Wiis while you're at it, it was totally an impulse buy
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#34 Zhengi
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More of an impulse buy than a PS3. Damn glad I am only impulsed to spending 279.99 CAD and not 699.99 CAD.foxhound_fox
You got your Wii already? Congrats.
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[QUOTE="voxware00"]Nintendo tried to sell 5$ heaters to Minnesota now? I think I'm really confused..
so are they still selling systems? Why only to this one location? Did you hear this from Iwata, G4... let me know man, I'm going crazy because I happen to LIVE in Minnesota and I really need 5$ heaters, so does everyone i know

Tylendal
They did sell vaccuum cleaners, as well as run a love hotel and a Taxi service at one time. The running a love hotel bit is an interesting valentines Nintendo fact.

:lol:

When I first heard about that, my reaction was like this --->o_O!!!!!

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#36 Haseokicksass
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Think about it actually use your head on this one.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
Tony-Baxter

Thats what i think. The onyl thign the wii is good for is the wiimote.

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#37 foxhound_fox
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You got your Wii already? Congrats.Zhengi


No, still looking. I just said I am glad I am impulsed to spend only that amount when I can. I really wish Nintendo would take orders. I have $316.39 CAD in cash ready and waiting.
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="voxware00"]Nintendo tried to sell 5$ heaters to Minnesota now? I think I'm really confused..
so are they still selling systems? Why only to this one location? Did you hear this from Iwata, G4... let me know man, I'm going crazy because I happen to LIVE in Minnesota and I really need 5$ heaters, so does everyone i know

Moon_of_Majora

They did sell vaccuum cleaners, as well as run a love hotel and a Taxi service at one time. The running a love hotel bit is an interesting valentines Nintendo fact.

:lol:

When I first heard about that, my reaction was like this --->o_O!!!!!

They've been around for a hundred years, there's very little they haven't dabbled in.
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#39 juanfraino
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It worked for me, I got one. Tho im currently playing VC games more now.
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#40 Tylendal
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It worked for me, I got one. Tho im currently playing VC games more now.juanfraino
I got one at release without pre-order. I had a countdown in my school Agenda book for over a month. I wouldn't call that an impulse buy.
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#41 DanBal76
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TC, i have all last gen consoles, and my preferred is the Xbox, but, in my opinion, GC has more than only 5 good games. I can name a few: Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Resident Evil, Resident Evil  Zero, Eternall Darkness, Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, Tales of Symphonia, etc. Xbox is my preferred, GC was the one that i played less, and yet i can name all those. But i do agree that Wii is an impulse buy. For me the Wii is nothing more than an overclocked GC, with more RAM and a new controller. Well, but if people like the Wii i'm fine with that, but it just isn't for me.
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[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="Basinboy"]For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase.  All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3).  Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.chansaet
Let me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64.

He's right dude. Before the launch many people were skitpical so they did not want to risk. They wanted to play it safe (Make games or Sony and Mircosoft) but now that they see it is the real deal they are just begining to jump on the band wagon. Wait and you will see more games come out at a faster pace if this continues.

Actually, developers jumped ship from the Saturn because the PS1 offered a storage medium developers could more accurately gauge demand with; it had very little to do with adoption rate.  Saturn tried to fix its own mistake, but failed miserably, while Nintendo merely made their console the cheapest of the bunch while sticking with an illogical storage medium.  As such, the software was gravely overpriced, which ultimately dragged Nintendo down.

In this situation, however, it's not so much that developers can't make money with the Wii, but it's the restrictions the Wii is putting on developers.  The Wii's intent is solely to attract new ideas to gaming, or in other words, solely attract new ideas of gameplay.  Today, games embody much more than just gameplay, but the Wii does not take that into account.  Nintendo will make great use of their console, but the question is does a creative developer want to work with the Wii when the world and experience they want to simulate can be done more to their image on the other consoles?  That's where I base my decision for the Wii, because if I were a developer trying to create something in my head, I would prefer to work with either 360 or PS3.

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Anyone who buys any game console on impulse does not know how to spend their money well.
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[QUOTE="Zhengi"]You got your Wii already? Congrats.foxhound_fox


No, still looking. I just said I am glad I am impulsed to spend only that amount when I can. I really wish Nintendo would take orders. I have $316.39 CAD in cash ready and waiting.

Ah, okay. Hopefully you'll find one soon. I'm starting to hear more stories of there being Wiis available in stores here in the US. Sounds like the demand is slowing down a bit.
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[QUOTE="chansaet"][QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="Basinboy"]For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase.  All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3).  Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.Basinboy

Let me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64.

He's right dude. Before the launch many people were skitpical so they did not want to risk. They wanted to play it safe (Make games or Sony and Mircosoft) but now that they see it is the real deal they are just begining to jump on the band wagon. Wait and you will see more games come out at a faster pace if this continues.

Actually, developers jumped ship from the Saturn because the PS1 offered a storage medium developers could more accurately gauge demand with; it had very little to do with adoption rate.  Saturn tried to fix its own mistake, but failed miserably, while Nintendo merely made their console the cheapest of the bunch while sticking with an illogical storage medium.  As such, the software was gravely overpriced, which ultimately dragged Nintendo down.

In this situation, however, it's not so much that developers can't make money with the Wii, but it's the restrictions the Wii is putting on developers.  The Wii's intent is solely to attract new ideas to gaming, or in other words, solely attract new ideas of gameplay.  Today, games embody much more than just gameplay, but the Wii does not take that into account.  Nintendo will make great use of their console, but the question is does a creative developer want to work with the Wii when the world and experience they want to simulate can be done more to their image on the other consoles?  That's where I base my decision for the Wii, because if I were a developer trying to create something in my head, I would prefer to work with either 360 or PS3.

The restriction is not because developer can't be creative to imply the Wiimote. The developer choose not too, or rather not yet. As I said, the developer were developing games for X360 and PS3 before the system were released. Wii is a different case. First, it's GC failure discourage developers for developing game for Wii in the early stages. Of course, developers will choose X360 and PS3 due to their predecessor and ESPECIALLY the western developers (as they are more fast sell and graphics-oriented than innovation). This is why PS3 and X360 are afraid because Wii indeed has penetrated mainstream casuals and non-gamers that it divides away from the hardcores. Developers can always change their minds and it happened in many cases. If ever you're a developer, you are a developer that targets hardcore gamers who are graphic-oriented and in a gaming as a lifestyle than for casuals because you are selling software not hardware. But we are not talking about software games here are we? For now, X360 and PS3 have teh software but as soon as the reality of the pricing of the console is realized as casuals already did, they might be influenced too. SO it really depends on opinion really whether you are a hardcore or a casual. Regarding to PS1, Sega saturn also has the same medium  (CDs) but it is hard to develop for (2 GPUs)despite better graphic potential. This time around, it is the consumers who will drive the console around, not the developers. Lastly, don't forget that Japanese developers are starting to develop for Wii except for Capcom.
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Think about it actually use your head on this one.
The Gcn had between 5-9 decent games during the course of 5 Years!!
Why would soo many people come back for more game delays and droughts?
Well, the simple answer is, THEY DIDN'T. People are buying the Wii for the gimmicky
and "Fun" it brings but without that gimmick Nintendo couldn't sell $2 heaters in Minnesota.
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[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

[QUOTE="chansaet"][QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="Basinboy"]For the majority of those who own a Wii, I would definitely agree that it was an impulsive purchase.  All in all, I find the X360 and PS3 to be far more sufficient and satisfying gaming consoles for the more dedicated gamer (and yes, I own all 3).  Outside of Nintendo itself, very few developers are trying to innovate and make astounding games using the Wii controller, which is ultimately the Wii (and Nintendo's) biggest drawback.Zaistev_basic

Let me repeat the again. What the Wii has done is penetrate the casual gamers and non-gamers. The developers are already aboard for X360 and PS3 before all next gen system were even released. However, that could change if teh Wii really pulls off. So to say that Wii has few developer support is an understatement when developer are already developing games for PS3 and X360 even before the consoles are released. When PS1 was released, it has few games than Saturn but because of that "impulse buy" of the PS1, developers started to jump ship to PS1 than Saturn and it continues with the N64.

He's right dude. Before the launch many people were skitpical so they did not want to risk. They wanted to play it safe (Make games or Sony and Mircosoft) but now that they see it is the real deal they are just begining to jump on the band wagon. Wait and you will see more games come out at a faster pace if this continues.

Actually, developers jumped ship from the Saturn because the PS1 offered a storage medium developers could more accurately gauge demand with; it had very little to do with adoption rate.  Saturn tried to fix its own mistake, but failed miserably, while Nintendo merely made their console the cheapest of the bunch while sticking with an illogical storage medium.  As such, the software was gravely overpriced, which ultimately dragged Nintendo down.

In this situation, however, it's not so much that developers can't make money with the Wii, but it's the restrictions the Wii is putting on developers.  The Wii's intent is solely to attract new ideas to gaming, or in other words, solely attract new ideas of gameplay.  Today, games embody much more than just gameplay, but the Wii does not take that into account.  Nintendo will make great use of their console, but the question is does a creative developer want to work with the Wii when the world and experience they want to simulate can be done more to their image on the other consoles?  That's where I base my decision for the Wii, because if I were a developer trying to create something in my head, I would prefer to work with either 360 or PS3.

The restriction is not because developer can't be creative to imply the Wiimote. The developer choose not too, or rather not yet. As I said, the developer were developing games for X360 and PS3 before the system were released. Wii is a different case. First, it's GC failure discourage developers for developing game for Wii in the early stages. Of course, developers will choose X360 and PS3 due to their predecessor and ESPECIALLY the western developers (as they are more fast sell and graphics-oriented than innovation). This is why PS3 and X360 are afraid because Wii indeed has penetrated mainstream casuals and non-gamers that it divides away from the hardcores. Developers can always change their minds and it happened in many cases. If ever you're a developer, you are a developer that targets hardcore gamers who are graphic-oriented and in a gaming as a lifestyle than for casuals because you are selling software not hardware. But we are not talking about software games here are we? For now, X360 and PS3 have teh software but as soon as the reality of the pricing of the console is realized as casuals already did, they might be influenced too. SO it really depends on opinion really whether you are a hardcore or a casual. Regarding to PS1, Sega saturn also has the same medium  (CDs) but it is hard to develop for (2 GPUs)despite better graphic potential. This time around, it is the consumers who will drive the console around, not the developers. Lastly, don't forget that Japanese developers are starting to develop for Wii except for Capcom.

The lack of creative implementation isn't solely due to the choice not to, but rather can a game controller give simple commands with such very few buttons or options for action?  Can we create a world both through hardware capabilities and user interaction that meets the standard I have constructed in my own imagination?  Ultimately, I find that the hardware benefit, which is a very heavy influence on many developers, is too great to ignore the 360 and PS3 and prefer the Wii over the other two.  The source of my reasoning lies in games that you don't just "play," but "experience."  Such games are, IMO,:  Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Huxley, World of Warcraft, Myst, and many, many more.  I find that the Wii ignores many of the broad facets of games and alienates them solely to open up the idea of "playing games," the key word being "playing," to those who don't normally.  It's a great idea, though I find that there has to be balance between gameplay and the various facets of games.  I do not see the Wii as a "balanced" system.

And BTW, wasn't the Saturn underpowed compared to the PS1?  I remember the PS1 was a 32bit console and the Saturn had to add the 32X peripherial in order to compete.  I am probably mistaken, as I wasn't nearly as interested in "bits" and "processors" back then as I am now.

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You can only impulse buy something in stock.
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#50 nickscho
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Impulse buys happen when one thing is sold out, so you make an impulse and buy another. But wait, Wii is the system that is sold out, and PS3s are in stock everywhere. Strange that it is being said that Wii is the impulse buy. The arrogant attitudes over at Sony are a nothing but a paper thin shield, that has absolutely no back up. "Microsoft shoots for the Moon, we shoot for the Sun." "The Wii is an impulse buy." Anyone who knows anything about arguing, or debate, knows that when someone (or in this case, the company Sony) throws out personal insults like this with no back up, that they come from weakness. It's hilarious actually, it's making Sony look like a sore loser to the other 2 systems. Insults like this just amplify that fact more.