The Wii proves more sales =/= more/better games

There are so many sales arguments posted here, mostly by sheep. They call it a good argument because apparently "More sales/marketshare means more third party support". But the Wii has the worst games of the three consoles, so this is proven wrong.

Here are figures just to show you:

360: 20 AAA, 1 AAAA

PS3: 14 AAA, 2 AAAA

Wii: 9 AAA, 0 AAAA

GR;

Wii; 6

PS3; 8

360;16

Meta

360; 18

PS3: 10

Wii; 8

So sheep (and some lemmings), what do you say to this?

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

if you want 'good' games, they take time.

most of those 'good' games that got those good ratings were being developed before the ps3/wii even launched...

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

_rpg_FAN

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

_rpg_FAN

There are so many sales arguments posted here, mostly by sheep. They call it a good argument because apparently "More sales/marketshare means more third party support". But the Wii has the worst games of the three consoles, so this is proven wrong.

Here are figures just to show you:

360: 20 AAA, 1 AAAA

PS3: 14 AAA, 2 AAAA

Wii: 9 AAA, 0 AAAA

So sheep (and some lemmings), what do you say to this?

SeanDiff

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA

People also forget that before gamespot used different scoring system

There are many games (not just for wii) that got 8.9 and now they would probably get 9

Those games are ignored by many,but they are still awesome games

People also forget that before gamespot used different scoring system

There are many games (not just for wii) that got 8.9 and now they would probably get 9

Those games are ignored by many,but they are still awesome games

_rpg_FAN

Great data compiling, but I don't put much stock in GS's scores, so I don't think it's very valid. If you did a compilation of scores from Metacritic or Gamerankings, I'd give it more stock.

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

Great data compiling, but I don't put much stock in GS's scores, so I don't think it's very valid. If you did a compilation of scores from Metacritic or Gamerankings, I'd give it more stock.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="_rpg_FAN"]

People also forget that before gamespot used different scoring system

There are many games (not just for wii) that got 8.9 and now they would probably get 9

Those games are ignored by many,but they are still awesome games

Skittles_McGee

um....

LoZ:TP = 8.9

Assassins Creed = 9.0

here is an example of how the Wii got the short-end of the stick when GS changed their rating system and the opposite for 360/ps3 imo

if it had the current rating system, TP would be 'AAA' here...

considering Assassins Creed is 'AA' on MC and GR, i would assume that if GS had the older rating system it would not be 'AAA' here

AAA developers are currently making Wii games because of the sales boom. They take time to make so you just wait.

[QUOTE="_rpg_FAN"]

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

angelkimne

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

Great data compiling, but I don't put much stock in GS's scores, so I don't think it's very valid. If you did a compilation of scores from Metacritic or Gamerankings, I'd give it more stock.

jimkabrhel

Great data compiling, but I don't put much stock in GS's scores, so I don't think it's very valid. If you did a compilation of scores from Metacritic or Gamerankings, I'd give it more stock.

jimkabrhel

Gamerankings:
Wii: 6 AAA's (4 E)

PS3: 10 AAA's(3 E)

360: 16 AAA's(7 E)

And don't get me started on AA's

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="_rpg_FAN"]

People also forget that before gamespot used different scoring system

There are many games (not just for wii) that got 8.9 and now they would probably get 9

Those games are ignored by many,but they are still awesome games

ogvampire

um....

LoZ:TP = 8.9

Assassins Creed = 9.0

here is an example of how the Wii got the short-end of the stick when GS changed their rating system

if it had the current rating system, TP would be AAA here... AC getting AAA is somewhat of a joke. (low AA on GR and MC)

There are so many sales arguments posted here, mostly by sheep. They call it a good argument because apparently "More sales/marketshare means more third party support". But the Wii has the worst games of the three consoles, so this is proven wrong.

Here are figures just to show you:

360: 20 AAA, 1 AAAA

PS3: 14 AAA, 2 AAAA

Wii: 9 AAA, 0 AAAA

So sheep (and some lemmings), what do you say to this?

SeanDiff

Makes sense almost - as loyal sheep say: at least "n" is getting richer & richer and that is the most important thing right ? :lol:

[QUOTE="_rpg_FAN"]

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

angelkimne

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="_rpg_FAN"]

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

HarlockJC

Seriously, Gamespot said it themselves: http://uk.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html

'We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards'

Wii still have most exclusive games if im not mistaken

Funny how people ignore that

Current non-1st party published AAAs (gamerankings). Using PS3 and Wii for a fair comparison.

Wii (2) - Okami , Resident Evil 4

PS3 {8} - GTA IV , Bioshock , COD 4 , Oblivion , MGS4 , Rock Band , Fallout 3 , Dead Space

Only one is exclusive. (until E3 2009 Microsoft press conference)

A few years from now , the Wii will catch up - most will be exclusives.

Great data compiling, but I don't put much stock in GS's scores, so I don't think it's very valid. If you did a compilation of scores from Metacritic or Gamerankings, I'd give it more stock.

jimkabrhel

**TC please put in your OP just to give more data pliz and stop the GS bickering**

done;

GS; see OP

GR;

Wii; 6

PS3; 8

PC (2006 onwards just to make it fair, i know this gen started in 05 but WTH);12

360;16 (with XBL)

Meta

360; 18! (no XBL games as far i i could see)

ps3: 10

PC; a freakin lot (does not give eassorting for year but there is a lot)

Wii; 8

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] That would be a good claim if the scoring system wasn't the same for every single platform, so nobody really wins or loses from it :|Skittles_McGee

um....

LoZ:TP = 8.9

Assassins Creed = 9.0

here is an example of how the Wii got the short-end of the stick when GS changed their rating system

if it had the current rating system, TP would be AAA here... AC getting AAA is somewhat of a joke. (low AA on GR and MC)

ok. except in this case AC getting a 9.0 gives the ps3 AND 360 1 extra 'AAA' in this comparison since it was multiplat...

its fine to trade off 1 game for another, but in this case both ps3 AND 360 get an advantage

any examples that are similar?

"a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards" angelkimne

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

um....

LoZ:TP = 8.9

Assassins Creed = 9.0

here is an example of how the Wii got the short-end of the stick when GS changed their rating system

if it had the current rating system, TP would be AAA here... AC getting AAA is somewhat of a joke. (low AA on GR and MC)

ogvampire

ok. except in this case AC getting a 9.0 gives the ps3 AND 360 1 extra 'AAA' in this comparison since it was multiplat...

its fine to trade off 1 game for another, but in this case both ps3 AND 360 get an advantage

any examples that are similar?

[QUOTE="angelkimne"] "a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards" IronBass

I'm not trying to bash the Wii, or say 360 and Ps3 are better, just that you can't really compare 360/Ps3 and Wii scores fairly.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="angelkimne"]People also ignore that Wii has lower standards regarding scores... Just saying.angelkimne

Seriously, Gamespot said it themselves:

'We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards'

You are not going to expect 360 type graphics out of a Wii but a game which has good graphics for a Wii is not lower standard it the same standard based on what a system can do. But the last line of that paragraph sums up what would really need to be said.

Really come on I can't believe your going this route. Was SMG only given the GOTY because Gamespot gave the Wii a handcap or because it was held at the same standards has the rest?

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="angelkimne"] "a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards" angelkimne

Dragon Quest X
Tales of Ten
Monster Hunter 3
Punch Out
Sin and Punishment 2
Another Code R
Broken Sword Shadows of the Templar Directors Cut
Muramasa Demon Blade
House of the Dead Overkill
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers
TMNT online Brawler
Madworld
Arc Rise Fantasia
Klonoa Door to Phantomile
Sword of Legendia
The Conduit
PES 09 Wii
Overlord Dark Legend
Little King Story
No More Heroes 2 Desperate Strugle
Dynamic Slash
Spawn Smasher
Endless Ocean 2
Fatal Frame IV Mask of the Lunar Eclipse
Sonic and the Black Knight
Tenchu Shadow Assassins
Deadly Creatures
Cursed Mountain
Red Steel 2
Spyborgs
Boom Blox 2
De Blob 2
Sam and Max season 2

^all exclusive but Sam and Max 2(PC also). PES09 isnt a port.

I also ignored the inevitable Nintendo support:

Pikmin 3

Super Mario Galaxy 2

Zelda Wii

Retro Studios new project

Monster Games new project

Kirby Wii

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] um.... Guitar Hero 2 = 8.9 No More Heroes = 9.0 here is an example of how the 360 got the short-end of the stick when GS changed their rating system if it had the current rating system, GH2 would be AAA here... NMH getting AAA is somewhat of a joke. --- See? I can do that too. So your point is entirely moot.Skittles_McGee

ok. except in this case AC getting a 9.0 gives the ps3 AND 360 1 extra 'AAA' in this comparison since it was multiplat...

its fine to trade off 1 game for another, but in this case both ps3 AND 360 get an advantage

any examples that are similar?

in your example, the wii gets 1 AAA while the 360 loses 1

in my example, the wii loses 1 AAA while the ps3 AND 360 gain 1

how is that a fair and equal answer? :|

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

ok. except in this case AC getting a 9.0 gives the ps3 AND 360 1 extra 'AAA' in this comparison since it was multiplat...

its fine to trade off 1 game for another, but in this case both ps3 AND 360 get an advantage

any examples that are similar?

ogvampire

in your example, the wii gets 1 AAA while the 360 loses 1

in my example, the wii loses 1 AAA while the ps3 AND 360 gain 1

how is that a fair and equal answer? :|

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Great data compiling, but I don't put much stock in GS's scores, so I don't think it's very valid. If you did a compilation of scores from Metacritic or Gamerankings, I'd give it more stock.

thegoldenpoo

**TC please put in your OP just to give more data pliz and stop the GS bickering**

done;

GS; see OP

GR;

Wii; 6

PS3; 8

PC (2006 onwards just to make it fair, i know this gen started in 05 but WTH);12

360;16 (with XBL)

Meta

360; 18! (no XBL games as far i i could see)

ps3: 10

PC; a freakin lot (does not give eassorting for year but there is a lot)

Wii; 8

To comment on my own data, this is a good spread and shows the 360 heading up the pack in terms of total AAA games, with the PC a close second on both GR and meta (number were high but i CBA counting). PC is ahead on most big sites like IGN and GS compared to the adveraging site due to the fact that some more console oriented sites tend to neglect PC games or rate them lower.

The wii is actually surprisingly close the the PS3 (well done TC for putting my nuber in black so ppl couldn't see them, as not to counteract your obvios point that you think ps3 is better than the others) on both GR and metacriitic

this could be due to the ammount of 8.9 games the ps3 has been given on both these sites but numbers are still numbers and you canno't simply state "the ps3 has higher standards than the wii" when the diff is only 2. The 360 has done incredibly well in this comparison (proabaly due to the presence of XBL but even withou it, it still has arround 12) and the PC has fared equally as well.

Ok what this all shows is that the OP has a point, the wii DOES have less higher quality games where ever you go. The adverage numbers say it, the big sites say it.The community repeats it over and over again. there is alot of evidence here that qantity of sales =/= quality games. the argument that the wii has better games due to 'consumer choice' just dosen't fit with a mountain of evidence to the contrary. If those nintendo fanboys amoungst you want to live by numbers, you shouls also be prepared to die by them aswel.

'We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards'

angelkimne