The Wii's bad reputation

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] 1. The Wii is much stronger than the GC, this whole "overclocked GC" has been debunked 2. SMG1+2, Metroid, Last Story, Red steel 2, Darkside chronicles etc. say otherwise. HD makes it shinier and there are beautiful SD games. Wii + HD = fail in market share. 3. Wiimote is innovative. Games are great with it than gamepads. You should be more open-minded for new things instead of being close-minded and sticking to the same old dated gamepad. 4. GC controller? Dont use it 5. Thats your problem regarding the games. And the online, not as good as XBL and PSN, is decent. I own wii for 4 years and own a ps3 as well, I know what Im talking about. 6. Ya.....Right @WhenCicadascry Glad I don't share the same clouded viewLastRambo341

dude the Wii is an overclocked gamecube. Although i dont agree with everything else he siad he is 100% right about that part.

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]

not that we are haters on wii but WII DOES NOT DELIVER WHAT WEE WAANT

and the low price is to lure desperate gamers during global economy meltdown..... but now it's almost over... so get up and spend on HD capable console

ActicEdge

The levels of "oh my god, what the hell am I reading", are high. First question, why exactly do you defend the absolutelycrazy decision of releasing gaming consoles for 400+ dollars? Do you like being charged high prices for the ability to play games?

I bought my Wii about six month ago, and I am very happy to own a Wii. Contary to popular belief on system wars, there are some good games on the Wii, and not all of them are from Nintendo. Add on the classic games from past systems that I've rediscovered(or discovered for the first time), and some quality Wiiware titles like Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, and Bust a Move Plus, and I'll say that I got my money's worth.

The Wii is not a perfect system, it has its flaws like any other system. But at the end of the day, I don't regret for even a second my decision to purchase a Wii.

By the way, I've noticed that some people seem to be under the impression that you can only play Wii games with only the Wiimote and Nunchunk, or a Gamecube controller. I just wanted to point out that the Classic Controller Pro has pretty much the same button layout as a PS2 controller and there are a good assortment of games that support it. Basically, any game that supports the Gamecube controller also supports the Classic Controller.

Let's compare PC to Wii graphics!

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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] Let's go thru this gaiz! 1. It is, the same emulator with only a few pages of code could play Wii. It IS AN oc'd gamecube. 2. No they look like crap. 3. It's not innovative, it's just a motion sensor, it just makes games like House of the Dead better, that's it. It is NOTHING compared to a mouse & kb or gamepad. 4. Why? Some games are unplayable without it. 5. It's not decent, I couldn't connect to any SSBB games. 6. Well that means you kind of suck at fps if you disagree.painguy1

dude the Wii is an overclocked gamecube. Although i dont agree with everything else he siad he is 100% right about that part.

1. Well... non-artistically, they are weak. :| Theoretical numbers mean nothing if developer don't take advantage of them. Nintendo is the only developer who seems capable of actually pushing the hardware beyond what the Gamecube was capable of... and even then, there is a lot of potential for more.

2. Compared to the other consoles, it definitely is lacking a ton of the great third-party multiplats that are defining this generation. Other than first-party games, it really stinks.

3. Its for everyone. Its also kind of unfortunate how Nintendo tried roping in a new audience, and they have responded with just buying the hardware bundles, and haven't really bought many other games like core gamers do. Which is probably why Nintendo is shifting focus more towards core offerings now.

4. Yeah... didn't know all Wii games supported GC controller usage. I'll try that the next time I play Metroid: Other M. :|

NIN is laughing all the way to the bank this gen. And rightly so after 2 crappy gens they deserve it. Thing is...The Wii is like MS this gen. Not MS "xbox" but MS the company. Everyone loves to hate them, but everyone has something from their coorporation..lol..Make the money NIN...make the money.

And rightly so after 2 crappy gens they deserve it. VanDammFan

Graphics isn't my issue with the Wii. My issue with the Wii is lack of quality games. The only new IPs I enjoy are Red Steel and No More Heroes and the first of both of those games were pretty bad. The other systems have just done much more than Wii.

Graphics isn't my issue with the Wii. My issue with the Wii is lack of quality games. The only new IPs I enjoy are Red Steel and No More Heroes and the first of both of those games were pretty bad. The other systems have just done much more than Wii.

dovberg

Wii earned that REP. Man, once he can home all late after being at the bar "the bears den" and was all like your gonna sit down and play some Tatsunoko vs. Capcom this your thumbs turn blue

I was out shopping on Saturday with my bro and for a laugh I took a look at the selection of wii games as opposed to the other systems. Now, I was in an Asda so there wasn't the greatest selection, but there were no games at all on the shelf I would buy even if we were in the worst drought in history. I'd give up rather than play a game based on Club Penguin.

The graphics are laughable, the game selection really does not suit me at all, there are one or two I might buy but in just about every genre of gaming the wii is outdone and I don't like motion controls.

The wii just isn't for me, and some of the things about it are unforgiveable. There is no reason in this day and age for the power of the machine to be so second rate, for the online portion not to work. People make out like the graphics are the only dividing factor in terms of the greater power, but it isn't. The PS3 and Xbox are capable of much more complex games in terms of depth, AI and numbers of enemies. The PS3 is capable of SMG. The Wii is not capable of Dead Rising 2 or Fallout.

I think the acid test is, take away the logo. Take away the nintendo logo and fewer people would support it. There is a lot of company loyalty going on, otherwise why defend the weakest product which has broadened and shallowed its appeal for money?

I was out shopping on Saturday with my bro and for a laugh I took a look at the selection of wii games as opposed to the other systems. Now, I was in an Asda so there wasn't the greatest selection, but there were no games at all on the shelf I would buy even if we were in the worst drought in history. I'd give up rather than play a game based on Club Penguin.

The graphics are laughable, the game selection really does not suit me at all, there are one or two I might buy but in just about every genre of gaming the wii is outdone and I don't like motion controls.

The wii just isn't for me, and some of the things about it are unforgiveable. There is no reason in this day and age for the power of the machine to be so second rate, for the online portion not to work. People make out like the graphics are the only dividing factor in terms of the greater power, but it isn't. The PS3 and Xbox are capable of much more complex games in terms of depth, AI and numbers of enemies. The PS3 is capable of SMG. The Wii is not capable of Dead Rising 2 or Fallout.

I think the acid test is, take away the logo. Take away the nintendo logo and fewer people would support it. There is a lot of company loyalty going on, otherwise why defend the weakest product which has broadened and shallowed its appeal for money?

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

I was out shopping on Saturday with my bro and for a laugh I took a look at the selection of wii games as opposed to the other systems. Now, I was in an Asda so there wasn't the greatest selection, but there were no games at all on the shelf I would buy even if we were in the worst drought in history. I'd give up rather than play a game based on Club Penguin.

The graphics are laughable, the game selection really does not suit me at all, there are one or two I might buy but in just about every genre of gaming the wii is outdone and I don't like motion controls.

The wii just isn't for me, and some of the things about it are unforgiveable. There is no reason in this day and age for the power of the machine to be so second rate, for the online portion not to work. People make out like the graphics are the only dividing factor in terms of the greater power, but it isn't. The PS3 and Xbox are capable of much more complex games in terms of depth, AI and numbers of enemies. The PS3 is capable of SMG. The Wii is not capable of Dead Rising 2 or Fallout.

I think the acid test is, take away the logo. Take away the nintendo logo and fewer people would support it. There is a lot of company loyalty going on, otherwise why defend the weakest product which has broadened and shallowed its appeal for money?

LastRambo341

Thats obvious. That's why we all buy a console.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

I was out shopping on Saturday with my bro and for a laugh I took a look at the selection of wii games as opposed to the other systems. Now, I was in an Asda so there wasn't the greatest selection, but there were no games at all on the shelf I would buy even if we were in the worst drought in history. I'd give up rather than play a game based on Club Penguin.

The graphics are laughable, the game selection really does not suit me at all, there are one or two I might buy but in just about every genre of gaming the wii is outdone and I don't like motion controls.

The wii just isn't for me, and some of the things about it are unforgiveable. There is no reason in this day and age for the power of the machine to be so second rate, for the online portion not to work. People make out like the graphics are the only dividing factor in terms of the greater power, but it isn't. The PS3 and Xbox are capable of much more complex games in terms of depth, AI and numbers of enemies. The PS3 is capable of SMG. The Wii is not capable of Dead Rising 2 or Fallout.

I think the acid test is, take away the logo. Take away the nintendo logo and fewer people would support it. There is a lot of company loyalty going on, otherwise why defend the weakest product which has broadened and shallowed its appeal for money?

Thats obvious. That's why we all buy a console.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]

not that we are haters on wii but WII DOES NOT DELIVER WHAT WEE WAANT

and the low price is to lure desperate gamers during global economy meltdown..... but now it's almost over... so get up and spend on HD capable console

hippiesanta

The levels of "oh my god, what the hell am I reading", are high. First question, why exactly do you defend the absolutelycrazy decision of releasing gaming consoles for 400+ dollars? Do you like being charged high prices for the ability to play games?

Who the hell mentioned Sony? And why the hell is now relevant? Its been 4 years, you don't get points for reducing your already expensive crap to still expensive but now not absurdly expensive. What world are people around here living in? How the hell can you guys actually defend that? Yall complain about dlc and map packs, its worse when the entry price to play games is approaching half a grand. And I live in canada, I have it easier too.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Games + Gameplay = why I buy a consoleLastRambo341

Thats obvious. That's why we all buy a console.

You are going to have to clarify where I said I was in to nerdy tech stuff, and also how I expect Nintendo to do ANYTHING. I am not interested in Nintendo pleasing me, I don't need it to. It's a business, if it wants to be broad for the money, I could care less. You're putting words in my mouth and you are going to have to clarify what you said about me.

I mean, games are about fun. All of them. Why else do people play them? Games and gameplay. With some people, fun is interchangeable with the word shallow cheap thrills. It isn't with me. People need to stop saying "nintendo games are supposed to be fun"...as opposed to what? All games are supposed to be fun.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Thats obvious. That's why we all buy a console.

You are going to have to clarify where I said I was in to nerdy tech stuff, and also how I expect Nintendo to do ANYTHING. I am not interested in Nintendo pleasing me, I don't need it to. It's a business, if it wants to be broad for the money, I could care less. You're putting words in my mouth and you are going to have to clarify what you said about me.

I mean, games are about fun. All of them. Why else do people play them? Games and gameplay. With some people, fun is interchangeable with the word shallow cheap thrills. It isn't with me. People need to stop saying "nintendo games are supposed to be fun"...as opposed to what? All games are supposed to be fun.

I was out shopping on Saturday with my bro and for a laugh I took a look at the selection of wii games as opposed to the other systems. Now, I was in an Asda so there wasn't the greatest selection, but there were no games at all on the shelf I would buy even if we were in the worst drought in history. I'd give up rather than play a game based on Club Penguin.

The graphics are laughable, the game selection really does not suit me at all, there are one or two I might buy but in just about every genre of gaming the wii is outdone and I don't like motion controls.

The wii just isn't for me, and some of the things about it are unforgiveable. There is no reason in this day and age for the power of the machine to be so second rate, for the online portion not to work. People make out like the graphics are the only dividing factor in terms of the greater power, but it isn't. The PS3 and Xbox are capable of much more complex games in terms of depth, AI and numbers of enemies. The PS3 is capable of SMG. The Wii is not capable of Dead Rising 2 or Fallout.

I think the acid test is, take away the logo. Take away the nintendo logo and fewer people would support it. There is a lot of company loyalty going on, otherwise why defend the weakest product which has broadened and shallowed its appeal for money?

Chemical_Viking

I defend a product about entertainment for the fun it provides. I don't know why you have this idea that people who like nintendo are idiotic sheep but let me spell it out so you get it. How you feel about the product is fine because your opinion is useless to everyone else just as our opinion is useless to you. what the system offers to people is absolutely beyond tech, its not about the online, its not about the power and its not about the games the industry and this boardholds in high regard. The fact is, the PS3 or 360 could handle any game on the Wii but they don't exist there because it is not, I repeat NOT AT ALL in the interest of those systems devs or fanbases to create that type of content. A system is not a piece of tech, its a social network and the system is defined by the content and the atmosphere it produces, its nothing at all a product of power. I don't see why this board has trouble getting that.

Its not a hard concept to grasp people, the existance of content is not only dependant or done because of tech, its entirely a product of the environment companies have to work with. SMG wouldn't exist if it wasn't on the Wii, Zack and Wiki wasn't going to be created if the Wii didn't exist, nor would boom blox, ar bit trip etc etc. Tech is useless if there is not a desire to use it and that desire comes from where devs see they can hit an audience. Simply put, the Wii isn't for you but its existance alone is the reason why many of this gens great games (I honestly don't care about your taste don't waste my time here) exist on that system exclusively.

No one gives a damn about what this board holds in high regard when they buy the "horrible" Wii sports Resort, or one of the many "shovelware" games that garner hate but fact is, if all yall care about is tech, you are missing the picture. If its games guess what, there was never ever deceipt as to what you were getting when you look at the Wii so its not something that is a fault more than a difference in taste. You have 3 systems that will provide that content, if its "pathetic" that one system is not the multiplatform whore this gen has become famous for, I will gladly take it.

Oh and FYI, while I'm in my ass hat defnse mode, brand loyalty is human nature. If you actually believe a good product can maximize sales without a popular brand, you are actually wrong. Not even having a misplaced perspective, just flat out wrong.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Unfortunately, according to your statement, you're all into that nerdy tech stuff. Nintendo is focusing on making "fun games", they have a different objective than MS (online experience) and Sony (technology). You basically want nintendo to follow them around like a sheep.LastRambo341

You are going to have to clarify where I said I was in to nerdy tech stuff, and also how I expect Nintendo to do ANYTHING. I am not interested in Nintendo pleasing me, I don't need it to. It's a business, if it wants to be broad for the money, I could care less. You're putting words in my mouth and you are going to have to clarify what you said about me.

I mean, games are about fun. All of them. Why else do people play them? Games and gameplay. With some people, fun is interchangeable with the word shallow cheap thrills. It isn't with me. People need to stop saying "nintendo games are supposed to be fun"...as opposed to what? All games are supposed to be fun.

None of that explains why you felt it acceptable to assume I was a nerdy tech obsessive. Graphics are about aesthetics, appreciating them is nothing to do with technology. Achieving them is, but I'm not a programmer. Wanting complex games with epic scale and enemies which challenge you is similarly unconnected to the technology behind them.

You are judging me and rather unfairly.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

You are going to have to clarify where I said I was in to nerdy tech stuff, and also how I expect Nintendo to do ANYTHING. I am not interested in Nintendo pleasing me, I don't need it to. It's a business, if it wants to be broad for the money, I could care less. You're putting words in my mouth and you are going to have to clarify what you said about me.

I mean, games are about fun. All of them. Why else do people play them? Games and gameplay. With some people, fun is interchangeable with the word shallow cheap thrills. It isn't with me. People need to stop saying "nintendo games are supposed to be fun"...as opposed to what? All games are supposed to be fun.

None of that explains why you felt it acceptable to assume I was a nerdy tech obsessive. Graphics are about aesthetics, appreciating them is nothing to do with technology. Achieving them is, but I'm not a programmer. Wanting complex games with epic scale and enemies which challenge you is similarly unconnected to the technology behind them.

You are judging me and rather unfairly.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] "The graphics are laughable" "There is no reason in this day and age for the power of the machine to be so second rate, for the online portion not to work. People make out like the graphics are the only dividing factor in terms of the greater power, but it isn't. The PS3 and Xbox are capable of much more complex games in terms of depth, AI and numbers of enemies." There you go.LastRambo341

None of that explains why you felt it acceptable to assume I was a nerdy tech obsessive. Graphics are about aesthetics, appreciating them is nothing to do with technology. Achieving them is, but I'm not a programmer. Wanting complex games with epic scale and enemies which challenge you is similarly unconnected to the technology behind them.

You are judging me and rather unfairly.

And as I've already explained and you've ignored, expecting gaming companies to keep with the times and not release games which could have been made last gen does not make me a tech obsessed nerd. You can be an avid fan of the paintings of Pieter Bruegel without being able to so much as fingerpaint.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

None of that explains why you felt it acceptable to assume I was a nerdy tech obsessive. Graphics are about aesthetics, appreciating them is nothing to do with technology. Achieving them is, but I'm not a programmer. Wanting complex games with epic scale and enemies which challenge you is similarly unconnected to the technology behind them.

You are judging me and rather unfairly.

And as I've already explained and you've ignored, expecting gaming companies to keep with the times and not release games which could have been made last gen does not make me a tech obsessed nerd. You can be an avid fan of the paintings of Pieter Bruegel without being able to so much as fingerpaint.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] These all require your "cutting-edge technology"LastRambo341

And as I've already explained and you've ignored, expecting gaming companies to keep with the times and not release games which could have been made last gen does not make me a tech obsessed nerd. You can be an avid fan of the paintings of Pieter Bruegel without being able to so much as fingerpaint.

Why buy a brand new console if it is only as capable as the generation before it? New technology is the only reason gaming companies release new consoles in the first place!

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

And as I've already explained and you've ignored, expecting gaming companies to keep with the times and not release games which could have been made last gen does not make me a tech obsessed nerd. You can be an avid fan of the paintings of Pieter Bruegel without being able to so much as fingerpaint.

Why buy a brand new console if it is only as capable as the generation before it? New technology is the only reason gaming companies release new consoles in the first place!

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] No, it shows that an individual cares a lot about tech. Gamers buy new consoles for the games, regardless of the power etc.LastRambo341

Why buy a brand new console if it is only as capable as the generation before it? New technology is the only reason gaming companies release new consoles in the first place!

But without increased capability there is literally no reason for the new console to exist. Fact.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Why buy a brand new console if it is only as capable as the generation before it? New technology is the only reason gaming companies release new consoles in the first place!

Chemical_Viking

But without increased capability there is literally no reason for the new console to exist. Fact.

80-90% of the innovation this generation in the gameplay area is either comming from DS or Wii. Gaming has nothing to do with horsepower as I can name one game that completely obliterates the whole PS360 library and is from the NES era.

It's impossible to make Zelda SS with a regular controler, Wii is technology wise superior to both PS3 and 360 thus Move and Kinect exist, fact.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Why buy a brand new console if it is only as capable as the generation before it? New technology is the only reason gaming companies release new consoles in the first place!

But without increased capability there is literally no reason for the new console to exist. Fact.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Because the latest console will support the latest and newest games. The past console won't.kontejner44

But without increased capability there is literally no reason for the new console to exist. Fact.

80-90% of the innovation this generation in the gameplay area is either comming from DS or Wii. Gaming has nothing to do with horsepower as I can name one game that completely obliterates the whole PS360 library and is from the NES era.

It's impossible to make Zelda SS with a regular controler, Wii is technology wise superior to both PS3 and 360 thus Move and Kinect exist, fact.

That's not rue. Not even a little.

Gaming has nothing to do with tech because the game itself is defined by the rules and design and the tech is there to achieve the vision. However a) your NES comment is both 100% opinionated and honestly not true either way (I know I contradicted the first statement but let's be realistic here)

The Wii is not technologically superior to the PS3 and 360, its different. The core software is inarguably inferior and the controller is a different experience, not better or worse. And move and Kinect exist because MS and Sony want money, if the Wii fell off in its first year these things wouldn't exist.

On a side note, I'd love chemical viking to actually respond to my comment, I'd love to see the explantion . . .

Gaming has nothing to do with horsepower as I can name one game that completely obliterates the whole PS360 library and is from the NES era.

kontejner44

I'm just dying to hear what game this is.

I enjoyed that era thoroughly, but not as much as I'm enjoying the current one.

The Wii has a bad rep among core gamers because like the GC before it,unless a core gamer is a fan of Mario, Zelda or Metroid, the isn't really aimed at them. In terms of core games, Nintendo has been incredibly conservative since the commercial failure of Eternal Darkness and Pikmin back in the early days of the GC. Preaching only to the converted is a fine business strategy that kept Nintendo profitable even in the days when its userbase shrank, but its a strategy that bores most core gamers (N64 and GC sales indicate that people who consider Mario a must-buy are in the minority).

In terms of core games, third party support for the Wii vastly lags behind the competition and Sony and MS are much more willing to take risks, so its no suprise thatmost core gamers prefer other consoles, which offer an incredible range of quality games (nods towards Street Fighter, Dead Space, Mass Effect, Flower, Uncharted, Disgaea, Forza, Littlebigplanet, GTA, Demon's Souls, Final Fantasy, Burnout, Limbo, Bayonetta and countless others).

*Shrugs* Nintendo has stayed profitable by preaching to its core faithful and it found massive success among casuals by simplifying its controller, so its never going to care what core gamers who don't adore Mario and friends think.I completely respect their decision and am not inconvinienced in the slightest (MS, Sony and countless developers are all fighting very hard for the dollars of the still large core game market).

The Wii has a bad rep among core gamers because like the GC before it,unless a core gamer is a fan of Mario, Zelda or Metroid, the isn't really aimed at them. In terms of core games, Nintendo has been incredibly conservative since the commercial failure of Eternal Darkness and Pikmin back in the early days of the GC. Preaching only to the converted is a fine business strategy that kept Nintendo profitable even in the days when its userbase shrank, but its a strategy that bores most core gamers (N64 and GC sales indicate that people who consider Mario a must-buy are in the minority).

In terms of core games, third party support for the Wii vastly lags behind the competition and Sony and MS are much more willing to take risks, so its no suprise thatmost core gamers prefer other consoles, which offer an incredible range of quality games (nods towards Street Fighter, Dead Space, Mass Effect, Flower, Uncharted, Disgaea, Forza, Singstar, Littlebigplanet, GTA, Demon's Souls, Final Fantasy, Burnout, Limbo, Bayonetta and countless others).

*Shrugs* Nintendo has stayed profitable by preaching to its core faithful and it found massive success among casuals by simplifying its controller, so its never going to care what core gamers who don't adore Mario and friends think.I completely respect their decision and am not inconvinienced in the slightest (MS, Sony and countless developers are all fighting very hard for the dollars of the still large core game market).

have you seen the state of force unleashed 2 on the wii lolzdaveg1

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Because the latest console will support the latest and newest games. The past console won't.kontejner44

But without increased capability there is literally no reason for the new console to exist. Fact.

80-90% of the innovation this generation in the gameplay area is either comming from DS or Wii. Gaming has nothing to do with horsepower as I can name one game that completely obliterates the whole PS360 library and is from the NES era.

It's impossible to make Zelda SS with a regular controler, Wii is technology wise superior to both PS3 and 360 thus Move and Kinect exist, fact.

The WII deserves its bad reputation, it has a few great games. Just like the GC before it,not enough great games to justify it as a good system, The motion control is a joke, it is hardly used and when it is used, it is used poorly. The wii is great for kids, they throw in few games for the core gamers but over all it is a joke of a console to me. People say "REAL GAMERS" like the wii, I have owned every system since the NES, I have all current systems and a gaming PC, but I guess I am not a "real gamer".

The WII deserves its bad reputation, it has a few great games. Just like the GC before it,not enough great games to justify it as a good system, The motion control is a joke, it is hardly used and when it is used, it is used poorly. The wii is great for kids, they throw in few games for the core gamers but over all it is a joke of a console to me. People say "REAL GAMERS" like the wii, I have owned every system since the NES, I have all current systems and a gaming PC, but I guess I am not a "real gamer".

Advid-Gamer

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

The WII deserves its bad reputation, it has a few great games. Just like the GC before it,not enough great games to justify it as a good system, The motion control is a joke, it is hardly used and when it is used, it is used poorly. The wii is great for kids, they throw in few games for the core gamers but over all it is a joke of a console to me. People say "REAL GAMERS" like the wii, I have owned every system since the NES, I have all current systems and a gaming PC, but I guess I am not a "real gamer".

LastRambo341

The WII deserves its bad reputation, it has a few great games. Just like the GC before it,not enough great games to justify it as a good system, The motion control is a joke, it is hardly used and when it is used, it is used poorly. The wii is great for kids, they throw in few games for the core gamers but over all it is a joke of a console to me. People say "REAL GAMERS" like the wii, I have owned every system since the NES, I have all current systems and a gaming PC, but I guess I am not a "real gamer".

I'm tired of all these people who say the Wii is bad: 1) "Graphics are weak" The Wii is capable of 500,000,000 polygons a second. A pretty capable feat actually. 2) "Bad games." OK, I'll bite, Nintendo will allow ANY game on the system, but it's not their fault we have horrible developers. besides that, They have plenty of Good games. Twilight Prncess, Kirby's Epic Yarn, etc. 3) "It's for kiddies!" While the Wii's target audience is for younger kids, it appeals to all ages! ASk 70,000,000 customers of the Wii. There are plenty off more mature games on the Wii, like Resident Evil. 4) "Motion controls suck." Use the gamecube controller for some of the games kid.keiferm1

I don't know the technical capabilities, but I can see with my own eyes that the games look terrible regardless of the Wii's tech.

The games are terrible, with the excpetion of some first party games, and a very few select third party games.

It's not really for kiddies, but a lot of the games do appeal to the younger crowd.

Motion controls do suck, especially Wii's inaccurate ones, and very few games support a GC controller.

So to keep up with things: A real gamer would appreciate ALL and ANY system, (Yes, I'll admit the 360 is pretty good) and I love my PS3 and Wii, and my DS too.keiferm1

Every game system has its merits, but whether or not it's worth the money is another story. Even the Atari Jaguar and CDi had great games...but were they worth $300 and $500 respectively? Absolutely not. And seeing as the HD twins are very close in cost to the Wii, the cost argument is pretty much gone now.