The Wii's bad reputation

[QUOTE="keiferm1"]So to keep up with things: A real gamer would appreciate ALL and ANY system, (Yes, I'll admit the 360 is pretty good) and I love my PS3 and Wii, and my DS too.standarddamage

Every game system has its merits, but whether or not it's worth the money is another story. Even the Atari Jaguar and CDi had great games...but were they worth $300 and $500 respectively? Absolutely not. And seeing as the HD twins are very close in cost to the Wii, the cost argument is pretty much gone now.

2 words for the Wii Haters. VIRTUAL CONSOLE. So there.keiferm1

Yes, because everyone buys a current gen console with terrible games so they can play older games they've already played...:roll:

Is it me? or are the XBOX 360 and PS3 being rereleased with a bit more memory and a lot more $$$. Not that I'm complaing with my PS3 but....keiferm1

A bit more memory? You mean bigger hard drives? And what do you mean a lot more money? The cost of those consoles have only come down.

[QUOTE="keiferm1"]2 words for the Wii Haters. VIRTUAL CONSOLE. So there.StealthMonkey4

Yes, because everyone buys a current gen console with terrible games so they can play older games they've already played...:roll:

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="keiferm1"]2 words for the Wii Haters. VIRTUAL CONSOLE. So there.Advid-Gamer

Yes, because everyone buys a current gen console with terrible games so they can play older games they've already played...:roll:

[QUOTE="keiferm1"]I'm tired of all these people who say the Wii is bad: 1) "Graphics are weak" The Wii is capable of 500,000,000 polygons a second. A pretty capable feat actually. 2) "Bad games." OK, I'll bite, Nintendo will allow ANY game on the system, but it's not their fault we have horrible developers. besides that, They have plenty of Good games. Twilight Prncess, Kirby's Epic Yarn, etc. 3) "It's for kiddies!" While the Wii's target audience is for younger kids, it appeals to all ages! ASk 70,000,000 customers of the Wii. There are plenty off more mature games on the Wii, like Resident Evil. 4) "Motion controls suck." Use the gamecube controller for some of the games kid.StealthMonkey4

I don't know the technical capabilities, but I can see with my own eyes that the games look terrible regardless of the Wii's tech.

The games are terrible, with the excpetion of some first party games, and a very few select third party games.

It's not really for kiddies, but a lot of the games do appeal to the younger crowd.

Motion controls do suck, especially Wii's inaccurate ones, and very few games support a GC controller.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="keiferm1"]I'm tired of all these people who say the Wii is bad: 1) "Graphics are weak" The Wii is capable of 500,000,000 polygons a second. A pretty capable feat actually. 2) "Bad games." OK, I'll bite, Nintendo will allow ANY game on the system, but it's not their fault we have horrible developers. besides that, They have plenty of Good games. Twilight Prncess, Kirby's Epic Yarn, etc. 3) "It's for kiddies!" While the Wii's target audience is for younger kids, it appeals to all ages! ASk 70,000,000 customers of the Wii. There are plenty off more mature games on the Wii, like Resident Evil. 4) "Motion controls suck." Use the gamecube controller for some of the games kid.LastRambo341

I don't know the technical capabilities, but I can see with my own eyes that the games look terrible regardless of the Wii's tech.

The games are terrible, with the excpetion of some first party games, and a very few select third party games.

It's not really for kiddies, but a lot of the games do appeal to the younger crowd.

Motion controls do suck, especially Wii's inaccurate ones, and very few games support a GC controller.

SD games aren't bad, nor did I say that, it's just unacceptable in this point in time to have such last gen graphics, if a Dev released a game that was exactly the game as some good NES game just with a different skin an title, it would get poor reception, not because it was bad, but that it's bad for the current times.

Yes, four years, yet the large majority of the games are terrible, and the few good games they are, are usually ruined by unnecessary and/or inaccurate motion controls, when I got my Wii, I did play the good games, and now it sits and collect dust.

I wasn't really complaining, just saying it did appeal to a younger crowd.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The gamepad has already become the industry standard, no need to change that, people love the gamepad the way it is, and motion controls abut 95% of the time feels awkward, unneeded, and/or inaccurate, and the other 5% might not be worse with motion controls, but they don't improve it.

The Wii gets hate because the only titles worth owning are Nintendo flag ship titles. The rest of the library is riddled with shovelware garbage aimed at the elderly or pre-teen audience. Plus, the Wii mote is by far the worst controller this gen, motion control is just plain garbage. HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

The Wii has a bad rep among core gamers because like the GC before it,unless a core gamer is a fan of Mario, Zelda or Metroid, the isn't really aimed at them. In terms of core games, Nintendo has been incredibly conservative since the commercial failure of Eternal Darkness and Pikmin back in the early days of the GC. Preaching only to the converted is a fine business strategy that kept Nintendo profitable even in the days when its userbase shrank, but its a strategy that bores most core gamers (N64 and GC sales indicate that people who consider Mario a must-buy are in the minority).

In terms of core games, third party support for the Wii vastly lags behind the competition and Sony and MS are much more willing to take risks, so its no suprise thatmost core gamers prefer other consoles, which offer an incredible range of quality games (nods towards Street Fighter, Dead Space, Mass Effect, Flower, Uncharted, Disgaea, Forza, Singstar, Littlebigplanet, GTA, Demon's Souls, Final Fantasy, Burnout, Limbo, Bayonetta and countless others).

*Shrugs* Nintendo has stayed profitable by preaching to its core faithful and it found massive success among casuals by simplifying its controller, so its never going to care what core gamers who don't adore Mario and friends think.I completely respect their decision and am not inconvinienced in the slightest (MS, Sony and countless developers are all fighting very hard for the dollars of the still large core game market).

LastRambo341

I'm saying Nintendo is only interested in the money of the minority of core gamers that have always followed them (that consider Mario, Zelda and to a lesser extent Metroid must-have games). They have no interest in the wider core market.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Yes, because everyone buys a current gen console with terrible games so they can play older games they've already played...:roll:

keiferm1

The Wii gets hate because the only titles worth owning are Nintendo flag ship titles. The rest of the library is riddled with shovelware garbage aimed at the elderly or pre-teen audience. Plus, the Wii mote is by far the worst controller this gen, motion control is just plain garbage. HoolaHoopMan

So, games like Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands(which has a higher Metacritic rating then its PS3 and 360 counterparts), Madworld, Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Tatsunko Vs Capcom, Little King's Story, Rune Factory Frontier, Tiger Woods PGA Tour(Tiger Woods 11 on Wii has a higher metacritic rating then either the PS3 or 360 versions), and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories don't count for anything? Those are all Wii games that have scored well and are not published by Nintendo.

And let's not forget Wiiware that offers titles like Mega Man 9 & 10, Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Bust a Move Plus, Bubble Bobble Plus, Cave Story Deluxe, World of Goo, Bit.Trip Series, Final Fantasy IV: The After Years, Lostwinds, and Lostwinds: Winter of the Melodias.

The games are there, but most people can't be bothered to research a library to discover any lost gems that may exist. Apparently, it far easier to assume all the Wii offers are Nintendo games and shovelware. Granted, there is shovelware on the Wii, but people need to stop acting like the only good games are the ones that are published by Nintendo.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]The Wii gets hate because the only titles worth owning are Nintendo flag ship titles. The rest of the library is riddled with shovelware garbage aimed at the elderly or pre-teen audience. Plus, the Wii mote is by far the worst controller this gen, motion control is just plain garbage. caryslan2

So, games like Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands(which has a higher Metacritic rating then its PS3 and 360 counterparts), Madworld, Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Tatsunko Vs Capcom, Little King's Story, Rune Factory Frontier, Tiger Woods PGA Tour(Tiger Woods 11 on Wii has a higher metacritic rating then either the PS3 or 360 versions), and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories don't count for anything? Those are all Wii games that have scored well and are not published by Nintendo.

And let's not forget Wiiware that offers titles like Mega Man 9 & 10, Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Bust a Move Plus, Bubble Bobble Plus, Cave Story Deluxe, World of Goo, Bit.Trip Series, Final Fantasy IV: The After Years, Lostwinds, and Lostwinds: Winter of the Melodias.

The games are there, but most people can't be bothered to research a library to discover any lost gems that may exist. Apparently, it far easier to assume all the Wii offers are Nintendo games and shovelware. Granted, there is shovelware on the Wii, but people need to stop acting like the only good games are the ones that are published by Nintendo.

Thats part of the problem with the wii, you need to hunt for games :? Not to mention all of the multiplat titles it misses out on, some of the Multiplaits are the best games this gen. I can see the wii as a good secandary console it has some games to play, but as a primary no way.

[QUOTE="caryslan2"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]The Wii gets hate because the only titles worth owning are Nintendo flag ship titles. The rest of the library is riddled with shovelware garbage aimed at the elderly or pre-teen audience. Plus, the Wii mote is by far the worst controller this gen, motion control is just plain garbage. Advid-Gamer

So, games like Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands(which has a higher Metacritic rating then its PS3 and 360 counterparts), Madworld, Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Tatsunko Vs Capcom, Little King's Story, Rune Factory Frontier, Tiger Woods PGA Tour(Tiger Woods 11 on Wii has a higher metacritic rating then either the PS3 or 360 versions), and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories don't count for anything? Those are all Wii games that have scored well and are not published by Nintendo.

And let's not forget Wiiware that offers titles like Mega Man 9 & 10, Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Bust a Move Plus, Bubble Bobble Plus, Cave Story Deluxe, World of Goo, Bit.Trip Series, Final Fantasy IV: The After Years, Lostwinds, and Lostwinds: Winter of the Melodias.

The games are there, but most people can't be bothered to research a library to discover any lost gems that may exist. Apparently, it far easier to assume all the Wii offers are Nintendo games and shovelware. Granted, there is shovelware on the Wii, but people need to stop acting like the only good games are the ones that are published by Nintendo.

Thats part of the problem with the wii, you need to hunt for games :? Not to mention all of the multiplat titles it misses out on, some of the Multiplaits are the best games this gen. I can see the wii as a good secandary console it has some games to play, but as a primary no way.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]The Wii gets hate because the only titles worth owning are Nintendo flag ship titles. The rest of the library is riddled with shovelware garbage aimed at the elderly or pre-teen audience. Plus, the Wii mote is by far the worst controller this gen, motion control is just plain garbage. caryslan2

So, games like Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands(which has a higher Metacritic rating then its PS3 and 360 counterparts), Madworld, Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Tatsunko Vs Capcom, Little King's Story, Rune Factory Frontier, Tiger Woods PGA Tour(Tiger Woods 11 on Wii has a higher metacritic rating then either the PS3 or 360 versions), and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories don't count for anything? Those are all Wii games that have scored well and are not published by Nintendo.

And let's not forget Wiiware that offers titles like Mega Man 9 & 10, Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Bust a Move Plus, Bubble Bobble Plus, Cave Story Deluxe, World of Goo, Bit.Trip Series, Final Fantasy IV: The After Years, Lostwinds, and Lostwinds: Winter of the Melodias.

The games are there, but most people can't be bothered to research a library to discover any lost gems that may exist. Apparently, it far easier to assume all the Wii offers are Nintendo games and shovelware. Granted, there is shovelware on the Wii, but people need to stop acting like the only good games are the ones that are published by Nintendo.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] * http://thenintendospot.blogspot.com/2009/06/truth-about-wii.html and http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=47538 , debunked * No, they don't. When reviewers say that a certain wii game looks beautiful and a wii hater like you doesn't, its fanboyism. * I guess you're not open-minded for new ideas. Still stuck with the dated controller types. Games like MAdworld for example are better with motion controls. * If the developers step it up, then the controls will be fine. Time to move on to new controllers * SSBB is a bad example. Look at other great online wii games like MH3 for example * I grew up playing Quake, Unreal, CS and Doom. I don't suck at FPS ;)LastRambo341

dude the Wii is an overclocked gamecube. Although i dont agree with everything else he siad he is 100% right about that part.

they are the same crap links u show ppl in every other thread

Compare to PS3 to Wii graphics!

PS3

Wii

Graphic winner is PS3!

[QUOTE="caryslan2"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]The Wii gets hate because the only titles worth owning are Nintendo flag ship titles. The rest of the library is riddled with shovelware garbage aimed at the elderly or pre-teen audience. Plus, the Wii mote is by far the worst controller this gen, motion control is just plain garbage. HoolaHoopMan

So, games like Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands(which has a higher Metacritic rating then its PS3 and 360 counterparts), Madworld, Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Tatsunko Vs Capcom, Little King's Story, Rune Factory Frontier, Tiger Woods PGA Tour(Tiger Woods 11 on Wii has a higher metacritic rating then either the PS3 or 360 versions), and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories don't count for anything? Those are all Wii games that have scored well and are not published by Nintendo.

And let's not forget Wiiware that offers titles like Mega Man 9 & 10, Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Bust a Move Plus, Bubble Bobble Plus, Cave Story Deluxe, World of Goo, Bit.Trip Series, Final Fantasy IV: The After Years, Lostwinds, and Lostwinds: Winter of the Melodias.

The games are there, but most people can't be bothered to research a library to discover any lost gems that may exist. Apparently, it far easier to assume all the Wii offers are Nintendo games and shovelware. Granted, there is shovelware on the Wii, but people need to stop acting like the only good games are the ones that are published by Nintendo.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

I don't know the technical capabilities, but I can see with my own eyes that the games look terrible regardless of the Wii's tech.

The games are terrible, with the excpetion of some first party games, and a very few select third party games.

It's not really for kiddies, but a lot of the games do appeal to the younger crowd.

Motion controls do suck, especially Wii's inaccurate ones, and very few games support a GC controller.

SD games aren't bad, nor did I say that, it's just unacceptable in this point in time to have such last gen graphics, if a Dev released a game that was exactly the game as some good NES game just with a different skin an title, it would get poor reception, not because it was bad, but that it's bad for the current times.

Yes, four years, yet the large majority of the games are terrible, and the few good games they are, are usually ruined by unnecessary and/or inaccurate motion controls, when I got my Wii, I did play the good games, and now it sits and collect dust.

I wasn't really complaining, just saying it did appeal to a younger crowd.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The gamepad has already become the industry standard, no need to change that, people love the gamepad the way it is, and motion controls abut 95% of the time feels awkward, unneeded, and/or inaccurate, and the other 5% might not be worse with motion controls, but they don't improve it.

[QUOTE="caryslan2"]

The Wii gets hate because the only titles worth owning are Nintendo flag ship titles. The rest of the library is riddled with shovelware garbage aimed at the elderly or pre-teen audience. Plus, the Wii mote is by far the worst controller this gen, motion control is just plain garbage. HoolaHoopMan

So, games like Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands(which has a higher Metacritic rating then its PS3 and 360 counterparts), Madworld, Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Tatsunko Vs Capcom, Little King's Story, Rune Factory Frontier, Tiger Woods PGA Tour(Tiger Woods 11 on Wii has a higher metacritic rating then either the PS3 or 360 versions), and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories don't count for anything? Those are all Wii games that have scored well and are not published by Nintendo.

And let's not forget Wiiware that offers titles like Mega Man 9 & 10, Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Bust a Move Plus, Bubble Bobble Plus, Cave Story Deluxe, World of Goo, Bit.Trip Series, Final Fantasy IV: The After Years, Lostwinds, and Lostwinds: Winter of the Melodias.

The games are there, but most people can't be bothered to research a library to discover any lost gems that may exist. Apparently, it far easier to assume all the Wii offers are Nintendo games and shovelware. Granted, there is shovelware on the Wii, but people need to stop acting like the only good games are the ones that are published by Nintendo.

Thats part of the problem with the wii, you need to hunt for games :? Not to mention all of the multiplat titles it misses out on, some of the Multiplaits are the best games this gen. I can see the wii as a good secandary console it has some games to play, but as a primary no way.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="painguy1"]

dude the Wii is an overclocked gamecube. Although i dont agree with everything else he siad he is 100% right about that part.

they are the same crap links u show ppl in every other thread

The Wii gets hate because the only titles worth owning are Nintendo flag ship titles. The rest of the library is riddled with shovelware garbage aimed at the elderly or pre-teen audience. Plus, the Wii mote is by far the worst controller this gen, motion control is just plain garbage. HoolaHoopMan

So, games like Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands(which has a higher Metacritic rating then its PS3 and 360 counterparts), Madworld, Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Tatsunko Vs Capcom, Little King's Story, Rune Factory Frontier, Tiger Woods PGA Tour(Tiger Woods 11 on Wii has a higher metacritic rating then either the PS3 or 360 versions), and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories don't count for anything? Those are all Wii games that have scored well and are not published by Nintendo.

And let's not forget Wiiware that offers titles like Mega Man 9 & 10, Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Bust a Move Plus, Bubble Bobble Plus, Cave Story Deluxe, World of Goo, Bit.Trip Series, Final Fantasy IV: The After Years, Lostwinds, and Lostwinds: Winter of the Melodias.

The games are there, but most people can't be bothered to research a library to discover any lost gems that may exist. Apparently, it far easier to assume all the Wii offers are Nintendo games and shovelware. Granted, there is shovelware on the Wii, but people need to stop acting like the only good games are the ones that are published by Nintendo.

I think that the Wii-mote is underwhelming and so are the graphics.

People keep mentioning games Like Zelda: TP and Okami, well I played those on my Cube and PS2.

To me the entire console just feels dated and I die a little inside when some of the very best games on it are in fact last gen ones.

I get the impression that it's becoming dangerous being a Wii hater. The Wii hater haters (as made obvious in this thread) are becoming more and more rabid as motion controls become a reality on other consoles, but I shall continue to be underwhelmed by that Gamcube rehash.

To each their own though.

It only has a bad rep with fanboys, so they don't count. Real gamers know the Wii has some great games.

Bigboi500

So saying ''haters''=''fanboys'' is just sticking your head in the sand. The DS rocks and the 3DS will be their greatest system ever IMO, big fanboy eh?

only complaint i have with the wii is the bad resolution. ive seen the wii games in hd and i can say if nintendo made the wii hd to begin with then not many would complain.


i would be satisfied with this...

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]@Rahnyc4 The Wii wouldn't be where it is today if it was HD, it wouldn't have the same success. Also, when Nintendo was developing it, the number of households owning an HDTV was staggeringly low, so it'll be a stupid decision.Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

It only has a bad rep with fanboys, so they don't count. Real gamers know the Wii has some great games.

So saying ''haters''=''fanboys'' is just sticking your head in the sand. The DS rocks and the 3DS will be their greatest system ever IMO, big fanboy eh?

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] * Typical HD owner, just because the game is on SD doesn't mean that its bad. There are many good looking Wii games and a lot of devs don't take advantage of the Wii's power. * Wii has been out for 4 years, complaining about the lack of good games is no longer valid. Don't buy the bad games. * Don;t buy them * I already destroyed that argument. And do you see games like sports, boom blox, FPSes, mario galaxy, nmh etc to be better played with the GC controller? Nope. Gamepad is dated, and its time to move on.LastRambo341

SD games aren't bad, nor did I say that, it's just unacceptable in this point in time to have such last gen graphics, if a Dev released a game that was exactly the game as some good NES game just with a different skin an title, it would get poor reception, not because it was bad, but that it's bad for the current times.

Yes, four years, yet the large majority of the games are terrible, and the few good games they are, are usually ruined by unnecessary and/or inaccurate motion controls, when I got my Wii, I did play the good games, and now it sits and collect dust.

I wasn't really complaining, just saying it did appeal to a younger crowd.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The gamepad has already become the industry standard, no need to change that, people love the gamepad the way it is, and motion controls abut 95% of the time feels awkward, unneeded, and/or inaccurate, and the other 5% might not be worse with motion controls, but they don't improve it.

The graphics are still significantly worse this gen than both the 360 and PS3, regardless of who's fault it is.

The PS3 and 360 have much more AAAA and AAAs than the Wii, and I'm not talking just about exclusives, because just exclusives excludes the massive amount of games only available on PS3, 360, and PC, which is a lot. There is significantly less high rated games than other consoles, and the ones there are have annoying, awkward motion controls, dumbed down graphics, and broken online play for the most part.

And, again, who cares? The gamepad has worked perfectly for decades, why change it? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Also, like I said before, this problem would never arise if motion controls were optional like Sony and MS are doing, instead of forcing unnecessary motion controls into games where they are completely unneeded.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

SD games aren't bad, nor did I say that, it's just unacceptable in this point in time to have such last gen graphics, if a Dev released a game that was exactly the game as some good NES game just with a different skin an title, it would get poor reception, not because it was bad, but that it's bad for the current times.

Yes, four years, yet the large majority of the games are terrible, and the few good games they are, are usually ruined by unnecessary and/or inaccurate motion controls, when I got my Wii, I did play the good games, and now it sits and collect dust.

I wasn't really complaining, just saying it did appeal to a younger crowd.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The gamepad has already become the industry standard, no need to change that, people love the gamepad the way it is, and motion controls abut 95% of the time feels awkward, unneeded, and/or inaccurate, and the other 5% might not be worse with motion controls, but they don't improve it.

The graphics are still significantly worse this gen than both the 360 and PS3, regardless of who's fault it is.

The PS3 and 360 have much more AAAA and AAAs than the Wii, and I'm not talking just about exclusives, because just exclusives excludes the massive amount of games only available on PS3, 360, and PC, which is a lot. There is significantly less high rated games than other consoles, and the ones there are have annoying, awkward motion controls, dumbed down graphics, and broken online play for the most part.

And, again, who cares? The gamepad has worked perfectly for decades, why change it? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Also, like I said before, this problem would never arise if motion controls were optional like Sony and MS are doing, instead of forcing unnecessary motion controls into games where they are completely unneeded.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

It only has a bad rep with fanboys, so they don't count. Real gamers know the Wii has some great games.

tomarlyn

So saying ''haters''=''fanboys'' is just sticking your head in the sand. The DS rocks and the 3DS will be their greatest system ever IMO, big fanboy eh?

No I was talking about the posters who refuse to acknowledge the great games the Wii has, not the ones complaining about legit shortcomings on the Wii. The haters are the ones who try to claim the Wii only has shovelware outside of first party titles, they can't accept that the Wii does have some great games. They also try to pretend that only blockbuster games are all that matters. It's dumb.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

No I was talking about the posters who refuse to acknowledge the great games the Wii has, not the ones complaining about legit shortcomings on the Wii. The haters are the ones who try to claim the Wii only has shovelware outside of first party titles, they can't accept that the Wii does have some great games. They also try to pretend that only blockbuster games are all that matters. It's dumb.

thom_maytees

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] * The fact that Wii graphics are improved from last gen = current gen. Again, graphics result from the devs work * Don't buy the terrible games, again, "the few good games" is no longer valid and is completely destroyed. The Wii has so many great games, that its ridiculous. Its one thing for a game to be bad, but its another if it DOESN'T APPEAL TO YOU. * So you wana stick to the same old gamepad? Wheres the innovation? Thats basically"last gen controller" Regarding MC, they won't feel awkward, uneeded and innacurate IF THE DEVS DONT STEP UP. FPS improves from MC. Dual analogue stick are terrible with it,LastRambo341

The graphics are still significantly worse this gen than both the 360 and PS3, regardless of who's fault it is.

The PS3 and 360 have much more AAAA and AAAs than the Wii, and I'm not talking just about exclusives, because just exclusives excludes the massive amount of games only available on PS3, 360, and PC, which is a lot. There is significantly less high rated games than other consoles, and the ones there are have annoying, awkward motion controls, dumbed down graphics, and broken online play for the most part.

And, again, who cares? The gamepad has worked perfectly for decades, why change it? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Also, like I said before, this problem would never arise if motion controls were optional like Sony and MS are doing, instead of forcing unnecessary motion controls into games where they are completely unneeded.

The big deal is the graphics are unacceptable and outdated.

And you can compare the Wii to either, and the other system will still win against the Wii, and the Wii lacks any strong online games, which is a huge negative.

Maybe because HD graphics are completely better and could not possibly be worse than SD, it's not debatable that SD graphics are better, but motion controls just make games awkward and harder to control and play.

Yeah, it gets an unfair rap around here sometimes. Look at super meat boy. For over a year it's been mocked anytime it was mentioned because it was wiiware. Then a right before it's launched, it gets announced for 360 and it's like the greatest thing ever.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

It only has a bad rep with fanboys, so they don't count. Real gamers know the Wii has some great games.

So saying ''haters''=''fanboys'' is just sticking your head in the sand. The DS rocks and the 3DS will be their greatest system ever IMO, big fanboy eh?

[QUOTE="caryslan2"]

So, games like Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands(which has a higher Metacritic rating then its PS3 and 360 counterparts), Madworld, Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Tatsunko Vs Capcom, Little King's Story, Rune Factory Frontier, Tiger Woods PGA Tour(Tiger Woods 11 on Wii has a higher metacritic rating then either the PS3 or 360 versions), and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories don't count for anything? Those are all Wii games that have scored well and are not published by Nintendo.

And let's not forget Wiiware that offers titles like Mega Man 9 & 10, Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Bust a Move Plus, Bubble Bobble Plus, Cave Story Deluxe, World of Goo, Bit.Trip Series, Final Fantasy IV: The After Years, Lostwinds, and Lostwinds: Winter of the Melodias.

The games are there, but most people can't be bothered to research a library to discover any lost gems that may exist. Apparently, it far easier to assume all the Wii offers are Nintendo games and shovelware. Granted, there is shovelware on the Wii, but people need to stop acting like the only good games are the ones that are published by Nintendo.

Thats part of the problem with the wii, you need to hunt for games :? Not to mention all of the multiplat titles it misses out on, some of the Multiplaits are the best games this gen. I can see the wii as a good secandary console it has some games to play, but as a primary no way.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

It only has a bad rep with fanboys, so they don't count. Real gamers know the Wii has some great games.

So saying ''haters''=''fanboys'' is just sticking your head in the sand. The DS rocks and the 3DS will be their greatest system ever IMO, big fanboy eh?

Who siad the Wii is capable of 500mp plygns/s? thats the HD consoles lol. Wii is around 120m plygns/s unshaded. It drops down significantly from that number when other things are added to the mix.

Yeah, it gets an unfair rap around here sometimes. Look at super meat boy. For over a year it's been mocked anytime it was mentioned because it was wiiware. Then a right before it's launched, it gets announced for 360 and it's like the greatest thing ever.

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It only has a bad rep with fanboys, so they don't count. Real gamers know the Wii has some great games.

Bigboi500

So saying ''haters''=''fanboys'' is just sticking your head in the sand. The DS rocks and the 3DS will be their greatest system ever IMO, big fanboy eh?

Its not that a great game doesn't matter, but if its a commercial failure, than the developers who made that great game will do their future work on other systems (nods towards once Wii focused developers like Suda 51 and Platinum).

As happened with the GC before it, developers of quality core games not named Mario, Zelda or Metroid on the Wii have wound up regretting their choice of platform, which translates into few core games on the Wii and thus little interest from core gamers who don't care about Mario, Zelda or Metroid in the Wii.

Nintendo could try to break the cycle by offering up original core games on the Wii, but they choose not to because they don't really need to. Mario/Metroid/Zelda games sell great to their faithful and there are more casual gamers than core gamers in the world.

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The graphics are still significantly worse this gen than both the 360 and PS3, regardless of who's fault it is.

The PS3 and 360 have much more AAAA and AAAs than the Wii, and I'm not talking just about exclusives, because just exclusives excludes the massive amount of games only available on PS3, 360, and PC, which is a lot. There is significantly less high rated games than other consoles, and the ones there are have annoying, awkward motion controls, dumbed down graphics, and broken online play for the most part.

And, again, who cares? The gamepad has worked perfectly for decades, why change it? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Also, like I said before, this problem would never arise if motion controls were optional like Sony and MS are doing, instead of forcing unnecessary motion controls into games where they are completely unneeded.

The big deal is the graphics are unacceptable and outdated.

And you can compare the Wii to either, and the other system will still win against the Wii, and the Wii lacks any strong online games, which is a huge negative.

Maybe because HD graphics are completely better and could not possibly be worse than SD, it's not debatable that SD graphics are better, but motion controls just make games awkward and harder to control and play.

Who siad the Wii is capable of 500mp plygns/s? thats the HD consoles lol. Wii is around 120m plygns/s unshaded. It drops down significantly from that number when other things are added to the mix.

painguy1