The Xbox 360 is the worst console ever made

Not in terms of game library, which it does pretty good (needs more diversity though), but in terms of hardware:

- Disc scratching (barely move it and looks like your Xbox 360 turned into Freddy Krueger)
- RROD (nuff said)
- DVD (limits the amount of content, can be scratched)
- HDMI revisions
- No motion control
- Pay to play online
- Microsoft Points
- Hard drive not standard
- Can't use keyboards/mouse controls for games, have to buy Microsoft peripherals
- Like the super expensive WiFi and Hard Drives
- LOUD, like a jet

Only the PS2 rivals it in the "worst console ever" category.

Not in terms of game library, which it does pretty good (needs more diversity though), but in terms of hardware:

- Disc scratching (barely move it and looks like your Xbox 360 turned into Freddy Krueger)
- RROD (nuff said)
- DVD (limits the amount of content, can be scratched)
- HDMI revisions
- No motion control
- Pay to play online
- Microsoft Points
- Hard drive not standard
- Can't use keyboards/mouse controls for games, have to buy Microsoft peripherals
- Like the super expensive WiFi and Hard Drives
- LOUD, like a jet

Only the PS2 rivals it in the "worst console ever" category.

AHUGECAT

this is wrong, you put imo in your title

It still keeps me busy.

Not in terms of game library, which it does pretty good (needs more diversity though), but in terms of hardwareAHUGECAT

What is it missing in diversity? It seems to be pretty diverse

it's a shame because the original xbox was great by comparison in terms of hardware

but forget about the terrible problems that have plagued my own 360, i'm not too crazy about the library either

Not in terms of game library, which it does pretty good (needs more diversity though), but in terms of hardware:

- Disc scratching (barely move it and looks like your Xbox 360 turned into Freddy Krueger)
- RROD (nuff said)
- DVD (limits the amount of content, can be scratched)
- HDMI revisions
- No motion control
- Pay to play online
- Microsoft Points
- Hard drive not standard
- Can't use keyboards/mouse controls for games, have to buy Microsoft peripherals
- Like the super expensive WiFi and Hard Drives
- LOUD, like a jet

Only the PS2 rivals it in the "worst console ever" category.

AHUGECAT

Hahahaha, laughable

I never EVER had problem with any of the above, and the noise is gone with the installs

As for needing more diversity, why is that ? It has the most and best WRPGs, JRPG's, adventures, strategy, action, platforming, shooting etc games, its diversity is through the roof actually

It is the best by miles console actually and the first ever to bridge the console and PC worlds, making any other platform looking like an afterthough

- Disc scratching (barely move it and looks like your Xbox 360 turned into Freddy Krueger)
- RROD (nuff said)
- DVD (limits the amount of content, can be scratched)
- HDMI revisions
- No motion control
- Pay to play online
- Microsoft Points
- Hard drive not standard
- Can't use keyboards/mouse controls for games, have to buy Microsoft peripherals
- Like the super expensive WiFi and Hard Drives
- LOUD, like a jet

Only the PS2 rivals it in the "worst console ever" category.

1. It's hardly a big deal just turn it off before you move it.

2. Ok that is a big issue.

3. Isn't MGS4 the only game too big for it?.

4. It has HDMI

5. Motion contol is a huge gimmick

6. It's worth it.

7. What about Wii points and Playstation wallet

8. Well if you want a hard drive buy the model with one.

9. I use my keyboard fine and it's not MS

10. Hardly anyone uses wifi

11. Yea, it is loud but now you can install games.

Your argument sucks.

Not in terms of game library, which it does pretty good (needs more diversity though), but in terms of hardware:

- Disc scratching (barely move it and looks like your Xbox 360 turned into Freddy Krueger)
- RROD (nuff said)
- DVD (limits the amount of content, can be scratched)
- HDMI revisions
- No motion control
- Pay to play online
- Microsoft Points
- Hard drive not standard
- Can't use keyboards/mouse controls for games, have to buy Microsoft peripherals
- Like the super expensive WiFi and Hard Drives
- LOUD, like a jet

Only the PS2 rivals it in the "worst console ever" category.

AHUGECAT

1. Why the hell would you even move a console while there is a disc spinning in it?
2. While the problem is still there, it isn't as bad as it used to be.
3. So far, everything on DVD is still fine with me. It's called compression.
4. Do we all need HDMI to play? No.
5. Motion control? Yeah, like Sony pulled that one off with leaps and bounds too.
6. If you can't get $50 in a year then you really need to sort out some things.
7. While the point system is stupid, it still gets the job done.
8. Had a 360 over 2 years and my 20GB still has space.
9. Uh, consoles use CONTROLLERS.
10. Are they expensive? Yes. However, only the HDD is worth it if you really need to upgrade. If you buy the wifi, you need help.
11. Mine's running right now and it's no where near a "jet".

No argument from me, it's a horrible piece of hardware but luckily for Microsoft, they have a game library that keeps people from ditching the 360 for the competition consoles. There are a few problems with your argument though:

- Disc scratching (barely move it and looks like your Xbox 360 turned into Freddy Krueger)

Agreed, needs to be sturdier I suppose

- RROD (nuff said)

Indeed

- DVD (limits the amount of content, can be scratched)

Ok, but I dont know many people who watch movies as much as they game on a gaming console

- HDMI revisions

Ok.

- No motion control

Does it need motion control? No, this is not a loss, but only a small gain if they choose to implement it

- Pay to play online

$4 a month is not that bad at all. If you can afford $40-$80 for games and a $400 console, then no complaints

- Microsoft Points

how does this impact the console? It's not hard to translate the Points to real currency

- Hard drive not standard

What do you mean?

- Can't use keyboards/mouse controls for games, have to buy Microsoft peripherals

Fair enough but how many games use those extra accessories?

- Like the super expensive WiFi and Hard Drives

Not everyone needs or uses WiFi

- LOUD, like a jet

I guess, but just turn the volume up, stop over-exaggerating

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Not in terms of game library, which it does pretty good (needs more diversity though), but in terms of hardwareChaos_HL21

What is it missing in diversity? It seems to be pretty diverse

It needs more action adventure and platformers. A few more JRPGs too.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Not in terms of game library, which it does pretty good (needs more diversity though), but in terms of hardwareAHUGECAT

What is it missing in diversity? It seems to be pretty diverse

It needs more action adventure and platformers. A few more JRPGs too.

i could give a damn about keyboard and mouse aslong as there's a option to turn off noob aim assist or auto aim its all good.

paying for online does suck ass though

my console was bought in 2006 and i have none of the problems mentioned...i could really give a **** about hdmi.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

What is it missing in diversity? It seems to be pretty diverse

Panther501

It needs more action adventure and platformers. A few more JRPGs too.

i could give a damn about keyboard and mouse aslong as there's a option to turn off noob aim assist or auto aim its all good.

paying for online does suck ass though

my console was bought in 2006 and i have none of the problems mentioned...i could really give a **** about hdmi.

smokedope420

could give a damn about wifi.

the harddrives are overpriced but owell.

20gb good enough for me

xbox360 is one of the worst consoles i ever owned software/game wise none of the games attract my attention.

gamecube would have to be worse console i ever owned that console wasnt bad but the games sucked.

Not in terms of game library, which it does pretty good (needs more diversity though), but in terms of hardware:

- Disc scratching (barely move it and looks like your Xbox 360 turned into Freddy Krueger)
- RROD (nuff said)
- DVD (limits the amount of content, can be scratched)
- HDMI revisions
- No motion control
- Pay to play online
- Microsoft Points
- Hard drive not standard
- Can't use keyboards/mouse controls for games, have to buy Microsoft peripherals
- Like the super expensive WiFi and Hard Drives
- LOUD, like a jet

Only the PS2 rivals it in the "worst console ever" category.

AHUGECAT

If it is such a bad console why is it beating PS3?.....This thread is so full of fail.fixer293

the price

If you actually think the 360 lacks diversity, what does that say about the PS3 library? It is a FACT that 360 has the most diversity this generation.

* WRPGs and JRPGs
* Racers
* Shooters
* Strategy
* Action adventure in all demographics (DMC4, NG2, GTA4, Dead Rising, Naruto, Simpsons, Lego series)
* Sports
* Fighters
* Flight (AC 6, Blaing Angels 2)
* Platformer

What every you're looking for, 360's got it and in multitudes of any given genre (Platformer only being the lower title count). Hell even XBLA beats out PSN in game selection, from cIassic retro games, to retro remakes, to originals.

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xbox360 is one of the worst consoles i ever owned software/game wise none of the games attract my attention.

smokedope420

If you actually think the 360 lacks diversity, what does that say about the PS3 library? It is a FACT that 360 has the most diversity this generation.

* WRPGs and JRPGs
* Racers
* Shooters
* Strategy
* Action adventure in all demographics (DMC4, NG2, GTA4, Dead Rising, Naruto, Simpsons, Lego series)
* Sports
* Fighters
* Flight (AC 6, Blaing Angels 2)
* Platformer

What every you're looking for, 360's got it and in multitudes of any given genre (Platformer only being the lower title count). Hell even XBLA beats out PSN in game selection, from cIassic retro games, to retro remakes, to originals.

AdobeArtist

It doesn't have racers like WipeOut, Twisted Metal or MotorStorm. Doesn't have epic action adventure like Zelda, Shadow of the Colossus or God of War. No platformers (absolutely none besides Crash and Spyro), and that's pretty much it really. Microsoft may try and get more platformers though.

For the people that say WiFi is useless, or the hard drive space is enough or the Xbox 360 isn't loud, the reason I made this thread was because I am experiencing these problems now. The 360 sounds like a chainsaw (literally - just as loud), and I am running out of hard drive space (60GB 360) and I also do not have Xbox Live because I cannot get it plugged in, because my TV is in a different room than my PC.AHUGECAT

50 ft rj-45/cat5/ethernet cord fix's that problem lol.

my xbox360 is loud but that's because the brand of fans microsoft used and brand of dvd rom the hitachi dvd rom drives are loud.

the samsung or other brand ones are quieter

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]For the people that say WiFi is useless, or the hard drive space is enough or the Xbox 360 isn't loud, the reason I made this thread was because I am experiencing these problems now. The 360 sounds like a chainsaw (literally - just as loud), and I am running out of hard drive space (60GB 360) and I also do not have Xbox Live because I cannot get it plugged in, because my TV is in a different room than my PC.smokedope420

50 ft rj-45/cat5/ethernet cord fix's that problem lol.

my xbox360 is loud but that's because the brand of fans microsoft used and brand of dvd rom the hitachi dvd rom drives are loud.

the samsung or other brand ones are quieter

I have a 25ft ethernet cable but I don't want to buy another one. I guess I am just going to have to move my TV in my room but I do not want too. Dang Microsoft, why $99 for WiFi? Even $49 would be more reasonable.

And yeah I know why it's loud, it's still annoying and scares me.

[QUOTE="smokedope420"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]For the people that say WiFi is useless, or the hard drive space is enough or the Xbox 360 isn't loud, the reason I made this thread was because I am experiencing these problems now. The 360 sounds like a chainsaw (literally - just as loud), and I am running out of hard drive space (60GB 360) and I also do not have Xbox Live because I cannot get it plugged in, because my TV is in a different room than my PC.AHUGECAT

50 ft rj-45/cat5/ethernet cord fix's that problem lol.

my xbox360 is loud but that's because the brand of fans microsoft used and brand of dvd rom the hitachi dvd rom drives are loud.

the samsung or other brand ones are quieter

I have a 25ft ethernet cable but I don't want to buy another one. I guess I am just going to have to move my TV in my room but I do not want too. Dang Microsoft, why $99 for WiFi? Even $49 would be more reasonable.

And yeah I know why it's loud, it's still annoying and scares me.

i bought my 50 ft cable for like 10$ at computer show or maybe even less.

stores overprice ****.

you can get after market wifi's for xbox360

also i just recently seen you can make a ghetto make ur 360 wireless using router.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

If you actually think the 360 lacks diversity, what does that say about the PS3 library? It is a FACT that 360 has the most diversity this generation.

* WRPGs and JRPGs
* Racers
* Shooters
* Strategy
* Action adventure in all demographics (DMC4, NG2, GTA4, Dead Rising, Naruto, Simpsons, Lego series)
* Sports
* Fighters
* Flight (AC 6, Blaing Angels 2)
* Platformer

What every you're looking for, 360's got it and in multitudes of any given genre (Platformer only being the lower title count). Hell even XBLA beats out PSN in game selection, from cIassic retro games, to retro remakes, to originals.

AHUGECAT

It doesn't have racers like WipeOut, Twisted Metal or MotorStorm. Doesn't have epic action adventure like Zelda, Shadow of the Colossus or God of War. No platformers (absolutely none besides Crash and Spyro), and that's pretty much it really. Microsoft may try and get more platformers though.

Not having specific titles is NOT THE SAME as lacking in a genre. It does still have plenty of games in your example categories;

Racing: PGR 4, GRID, Forza 2, Burnout Revenge, Burnout Paradise, NFS Pro Street and Undercover, Pure (oh and Twisted Metal is not a raciing game)

Action Adventure: DMC4, Ninja Gaiden 2, Ninja Blade (confirmed), PoP, TR Underworld, Dead Rising, RE 5, Splinter Cell Conviction, Assassin's Creed, Mirrir's Edge

And yeah, I agreed that it could do with more platformers. But still, 8 out of 9 categories is substantial enough.

Not in terms of game library, which it does pretty good (needs more diversity though), but in terms of hardware:

- Disc scratching (barely move it and looks like your Xbox 360 turned into Freddy Krueger)
- RROD (nuff said)
- DVD (limits the amount of content, can be scratched)
- HDMI revisions
- No motion control
- Pay to play online
- Microsoft Points
- Hard drive not standard
- Can't use keyboards/mouse controls for games, have to buy Microsoft peripherals
- Like the super expensive WiFi and Hard Drives
- LOUD, like a jet

Only the PS2 rivals it in the "worst console ever" category.

AHUGECAT

Disc scratching is a problem but then again it is a problem for various types of DVD/CD players which is why they've either changed the hardware or recall the product.

RROD is a problem but it's under warranty for 3 years from the point you purchase your non used console and the newer models run cooler since they are 45nm.

It is loud which makes me wonder why they didn't use 2 120mm fans going at 1000 or 1200 RPM as opposed to what they have in it now IT would be quiter and cooler (With the addon heatsinks of course) but perhaps there wasn't enough room in the case.

As for the rest they are completely outlandish and are just added on to the argument except for the hardrives being overly priced but again I don't see what the price of the hardware has to do with it's reliability or how 'good' it is. Wii/PS2/Xbox never had motion controls. PC (BEtter than all of the above) and PS2 and Xbox never had motion controls. What does pay to play online have to do with the hardware? A 360 controller, in my opinion, is easier to use than a keyboard/mouse combo. But that is personal preference.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

If you actually think the 360 lacks diversity, what does that say about the PS3 library? It is a FACT that 360 has the most diversity this generation.

* WRPGs and JRPGs
* Racers
* Shooters
* Strategy
* Action adventure in all demographics (DMC4, NG2, GTA4, Dead Rising, Naruto, Simpsons, Lego series)
* Sports
* Fighters
* Flight (AC 6, Blaing Angels 2)
* Platformer

What every you're looking for, 360's got it and in multitudes of any given genre (Platformer only being the lower title count). Hell even XBLA beats out PSN in game selection, from cIassic retro games, to retro remakes, to originals.

AdobeArtist

It doesn't have racers like WipeOut, Twisted Metal or MotorStorm. Doesn't have epic action adventure like Zelda, Shadow of the Colossus or God of War. No platformers (absolutely none besides Crash and Spyro), and that's pretty much it really. Microsoft may try and get more platformers though.

Not having specific titles is NOT THE SAME as lacking in a genre. It does still have plenty of games in your example categories;

Racing: PGR 4, GRID, Forza 2, Burnout Revenge, Burnout Paradise, NFS Pro Street and Undercover, Pure (oh and Twisted Metal is not a raciing game)

Action Adventure: DMC4, Ninja Gaiden 2, Ninja Blade (confirmed), PoP, TR Underworld, Dead Rising, RE 5, Splinter Cell Conviction, Assassin's Creed, Mirrir's Edge

And yeah, I agreed that it could do with more platformers. But still, 8 out of 9 categories is substantial enough.

most of those games are multiplatform

360 = 90% shooter games (yawn)

For the people that say WiFi is useless, or the hard drive space is enough or the Xbox 360 isn't loud, the reason I made this thread was because I am experiencing these problems now. The 360 sounds like a chainsaw (literally - just as loud), and I am running out of hard drive space (60GB 360) and I also do not have Xbox Live because I cannot get it plugged in, because my TV is in a different room than my PC.AHUGECAT

Cheap Wireless For Your Xbox 360

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/10/02/how-to-cheap-wireless-for-your-xbox-360/

In terms of hardware, I'll agree with you.

But, despite all of the hardware problems it has, it's still my favorite console this generation.

ing to ask one question then leave this failed thread.

If 360 is so bad, why is it beating PS3?

Later

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

It doesn't have racers like WipeOut, Twisted Metal or MotorStorm. Doesn't have epic action adventure like Zelda, Shadow of the Colossus or God of War. No platformers (absolutely none besides Crash and Spyro), and that's pretty much it really. Microsoft may try and get more platformers though.

tek91

Not having specific titles is NOT THE SAME as lacking in a genre. It does still have plenty of games in your example categories;

Racing: PGR 4, GRID, Forza 2, Burnout Revenge, Burnout Paradise, NFS Pro Street and Undercover, Pure (oh and Twisted Metal is not a raciing game)

Action Adventure: DMC4, Ninja Gaiden 2, Ninja Blade (confirmed), PoP, TR Underworld, Dead Rising, RE 5, Splinter Cell Conviction, Assassin's Creed, Mirrir's Edge

And yeah, I agreed that it could do with more platformers. But still, 8 out of 9 categories is substantial enough.

most of those games are multiplatform

360 = 90% shooter games (yawn)

The games which are multiplatform doesn't change the fact that they are on the 360 and constitute a part of it's library. So you saying "360 = 90% shooter games" just shows you have no clue what you're talking about. I presented the actual facts that support 360 having the most diverse libarary of this gen. It's indisputable! Oh and what are th most anticipated games on PS3? Resistance 2 and Killzone 2? Oh yeah, don't go pointing the finger at 360 for being a shooter console :|

Cheap Wireless For Your Xbox 360

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/10/02/how-to-cheap-wireless-for-your-xbox-360/

most of those games are multiplatform

360 = 90% shooter games (yawn)

tek91

Lemming #1 "Oh well little Johnny there has Final Fantasy XIII and Halo 3 and DMC 4"

Cow #1 "Well most of those games are multiplatform so basically all he has is shooters and I don't like shooters so the 360 has no games and no diversity."

The games which are multiplatform doesn't change the fact that they are on the 360 and constitute a part of it's library. So you saying "360 = 90% shooter games" just shows you have no clue what you're talking about. I presented the actual facts that support 360 having the most diverse libarary of this gen. It's indisputable! Oh and what are th most anticipated games on PS3? Resistance 2 and Killzone 2? Oh yeah, don't go pointing the finger at 360 for being a shooter console :|

you just showed games that are on the PS 3 and 360 exclusively all 360 has is shooters

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

It doesn't have racers like WipeOut, Twisted Metal or MotorStorm. Doesn't have epic action adventure like Zelda, Shadow of the Colossus or God of War. No platformers (absolutely none besides Crash and Spyro), and that's pretty much it really. Microsoft may try and get more platformers though.

tek91

Not having specific titles is NOT THE SAME as lacking in a genre. It does still have plenty of games in your example categories;

Racing: PGR 4, GRID, Forza 2, Burnout Revenge, Burnout Paradise, NFS Pro Street and Undercover, Pure (oh and Twisted Metal is not a raciing game)

Action Adventure: DMC4, Ninja Gaiden 2, Ninja Blade (confirmed), PoP, TR Underworld, Dead Rising, RE 5, Splinter Cell Conviction, Assassin's Creed, Mirrir's Edge

And yeah, I agreed that it could do with more platformers. But still, 8 out of 9 categories is substantial enough.

most of those games are multiplatform

360 = 90% shooter games (yawn)

:roll:

It's like 2006 all over again.

I guess it's nice to see some consistency from the fanboys though...