There has been one clear winner in this console war so far

and the two other camps have been in a constant state of damage control...

I think we all know who that is...

*looks at sales charts*

Vtech FTW.

Just OWNS Everything. got loads of AAA games and crap like that.

Nintendo Ds.blitzkid1

Even though thats probably not what the OP meant, it is true. The DS is outselling any console in any market.

do you work for nintendo? because if you dont then you shouldnt talk because sales only seriously matter to those who work for nintendo or have shares with them, and i dont think you have either of themunreal48

Isn't the console war who sells the most?

Nintendo Ds.blitzkid1

and the two other camps have been in a constant state of damage control...

I think we all know who that is...

*looks at sales charts*

gomanthethird

If only I could play sales charts

do you work for nintendo? because if you dont then you shouldnt talk because sales only seriously matter to those who work for nintendo or have shares with them, and i dont think you have either of themunreal48

BAWWWWWW :lol: TC Prepare for a wave of Cows and lems..

do you work for nintendo? because if you dont then you shouldnt talk because sales only seriously matter to those who work for nintendo or have shares with them, and i dont think you have either of themunreal48

I wish I had some Nintendo shares. I wish I bought them a couple of months pre-DS.

I'm not sure if you're talking about Nintendo or Microsoft.

Overall, I'd say that Nintendo is winning, because of DS sales, the number of Wii sold, etc.

If you're talking about this generation, I'd say that Microsoft is winning, because they have sold more games and brought in more total gross.

The sun is yellow. Some dogs bite people. Humans need food.

Assuming that we are playing the game "Who can state more obvious facts that everyone knows and therefore doesn't need to be informed of in a thread", I win.

I'm not sure if you're talking about Nintendo or Microsoft.

Overall, I'd say that Nintendo is winning, because of DS sales, the number of Wii sold, etc.

If you're talking about this generation, I'd say that Microsoft is winning, because they have sold more games and brought in more total gross.

swamprat_basic

Have they? I thought they lost money with the RROD or are you talking about M$ as the software company.

[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]

I'm not sure if you're talking about Nintendo or Microsoft.

Overall, I'd say that Nintendo is winning, because of DS sales, the number of Wii sold, etc.

If you're talking about this generation, I'd say that Microsoft is winning, because they have sold more games and brought in more total gross.

X_Evo

Have they? I thought they lost money with the RROD or are you talking about M$ as the software company.

Nintendo Ds.blitzkid1

truth.

Sure hardware sales are important but you also have to put software sales in play. And with both hardware and software sales we sure do have a clear winner. And also we sure do have a clear loser by it being dead last still.

[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]Nintendo Ds.MikeE21286

truth.

Sure hardware sales are important but you also have to put software sales in play. And with both hardware and software sales we sure do have a clear winner. And also we sure do have a clear loser by it being dead last still.

ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="X_Evo"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]

I'm not sure if you're talking about Nintendo or Microsoft.

Overall, I'd say that Nintendo is winning, because of DS sales, the number of Wii sold, etc.

If you're talking about this generation, I'd say that Microsoft is winning, because they have sold more games and brought in more total gross.

gomanthethird

Have they? I thought they lost money with the RROD or are you talking about M$ as the software company.

It's not meaningless when you consider that more games equal more console sales and more money brought in over XBL.

Profit is not as big as you think, at least not right now. Microsoft is betting on future profits.

As many consoles as the Wii has sold, they are not selling a lot of games, which means that growth is limited.

Growth is the most important thing, and that is where Microsoft is winning right now.

[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="X_Evo"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]

I'm not sure if you're talking about Nintendo or Microsoft.

Overall, I'd say that Nintendo is winning, because of DS sales, the number of Wii sold, etc.

If you're talking about this generation, I'd say that Microsoft is winning, because they have sold more games and brought in more total gross.

swamprat_basic

Have they? I thought they lost money with the RROD or are you talking about M$ as the software company.

It's not meaningless when you consider that more games equal more console sales and more money brought in over XBL.

Nintendo is making more money than anyone. They're selling more consoles than anyone. They're selling more software than anyone. They're selling more portables than anyone.

Profit is not as big as you think, at least not right now. Microsoft is betting on future profits.

As many consoles as the Wii has sold, they are not selling a lot of games, which means that growth is limited.

Nintendo is, as a first party publisher, is selling more games than anyone by a country mile.

Growth is the most important thing, and that is where Microsoft is winning right now.

MS isnt winning anything. You want to talk about growth? How about passing the former market leader in under a year even when they had a year head start.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Sure hardware sales are important but you also have to put software sales in play. And with both hardware and software sales we sure do have a clear winner. And also we sure do have a clear loser by it being dead last still.

gomanthethird

That is not a good thing...it's a bad thing

[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Sure hardware sales are important but you also have to put software sales in play. And with both hardware and software sales we sure do have a clear winner. And also we sure do have a clear loser by it being dead last still.

MikeE21286

That is not a good thing...it's a bad thing

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Sure hardware sales are important but you also have to put software sales in play. And with both hardware and software sales we sure do have a clear winner. And also we sure do have a clear loser by it being dead last still.

gomanthethird

That is not a good thing...it's a bad thing

For people who own their system it's not.

and the two other camps have been in a constant state of damage control...

I think we all know who that is...

*looks at sales charts*

gomanthethird

[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="X_Evo"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]

I'm not sure if you're talking about Nintendo or Microsoft.

Overall, I'd say that Nintendo is winning, because of DS sales, the number of Wii sold, etc.

If you're talking about this generation, I'd say that Microsoft is winning, because they have sold more games and brought in more total gross.

gomanthethird

Have they? I thought they lost money with the RROD or are you talking about M$ as the software company.

It's not meaningless when you consider that more games equal more console sales and more money brought in over XBL.

Nintendo is making more money than anyone. They're selling more consoles than anyone. They're selling more software than anyone. They're selling more portables than anyone.

Profit is not as big as you think, at least not right now. Microsoft is betting on future profits.

As many consoles as the Wii has sold, they are not selling a lot of games, which means that growth is limited.

Nintendo is, as a first party publisher, is selling more games than anyone by a country mile.

Growth is the most important thing, and that is where Microsoft is winning right now.

MS isnt winning anything. You want to talk about growth? How about passing the former market leader in under a year even when they had a year head start.

You seem to have a very limited grasp on what makes for a successful business plan. Immediate profits are nice, but the opportunity for growth is more important.

A business plan that makes money in the short run, but has no room for growth is not a successful business plan, not by the standards of a big multinational corporation.

Microsoft's business plan for Xbox 360 and XBL is a longer-term plan than that of Nintendo and the Wii. Wii has sold more consoles, that's true, but growth is very limited as seen by the small amount of games that are available for the system. Microsoft is banking on XBL making money for years to come. Hardware sales are not where money is made. Software is, and currently Microsoft is dominating the Wii in next-gen game sales.

Nintendo has an image problem that they need to fix soon, or they are going to lose out in the long run. The Wii is seen as a toy, while 360 and PS3 are seen as entertainment systems. As a "toy," Nintendo's profits are going to stagnate, while 360 and PS3 will grow. Growth is the most important thing.

[QUOTE="gomanthethird"]

and the two other camps have been in a constant state of damage control...

I think we all know who that is...

*looks at sales charts*

Dante2710

[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Sure hardware sales are important but you also have to put software sales in play. And with both hardware and software sales we sure do have a clear winner. And also we sure do have a clear loser by it being dead last still.

MikeE21286

That is not a good thing...it's a bad thing

I know right. Sure it might be good for Nintendo but after the 50th game with Mario and Link in it, I think people will yearn for something different, they're yearning now. Thats why you have characters like Sonic and Snake in Brawl.

[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="X_Evo"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]

I'm not sure if you're talking about Nintendo or Microsoft.

Overall, I'd say that Nintendo is winning, because of DS sales, the number of Wii sold, etc.

If you're talking about this generation, I'd say that Microsoft is winning, because they have sold more games and brought in more total gross.

swamprat_basic

Have they? I thought they lost money with the RROD or are you talking about M$ as the software company.

It's not meaningless when you consider that more games equal more console sales and more money brought in over XBL.

Nintendo is making more money than anyone. They're selling more consoles than anyone. They're selling more software than anyone. They're selling more portables than anyone.

Profit is not as big as you think, at least not right now. Microsoft is betting on future profits.

As many consoles as the Wii has sold, they are not selling a lot of games, which means that growth is limited.

Nintendo is, as a first party publisher, is selling more games than anyone by a country mile.

Growth is the most important thing, and that is where Microsoft is winning right now.

MS isnt winning anything. You want to talk about growth? How about passing the former market leader in under a year even when they had a year head start.

You seem to have a very limited grasp on what makes for a successful business plan. Immediate profits are nice, but the opportunity for growth is more important.

A business plan that makes money in the short run, but has no room for growth is not a successful business plan, not by the standards of a big multinational corporation.

Microsoft's business plan for Xbox 360 and XBL is a longer-term plan than that of Nintendo and the Wii. Wii has sold more consoles, that's true, but growth is very limited as seen by the small amount of games that are available for the system. Microsoft is banking on XBL making money for years to come. Hardware sales are not where money is made. Software is, and currently Microsoft is dominating the Wii in next-gen game sales.

Nintendo has an image problem that they need to fix soon, or they are going to lose out in the long run. The Wii is seen as a toy, while 360 and PS3 are seen as entertainment systems. As a "toy," Nintendo's profits are going to stagnate, while 360 and PS3 will grow. Growth is the most important thing.

[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]

You seem to have a very limited grasp on what makes for a successful business plan. Immediate profits are nice, but the opportunity for growth is more important.

A business plan that makes money in the short run, but has no room for growth is not a successful business plan, not by the standards of a big multinational corporation.

Microsoft's business plan for Xbox 360 and XBL is a longer-term plan than that of Nintendo and the Wii. Wii has sold more consoles, that's true, but growth is very limited as seen by the small amount of games that are available for the system. Microsoft is banking on XBL making money for years to come. Hardware sales are not where money is made. Software is, and currently Microsoft is dominating the Wii in next-gen game sales.

Nintendo has an image problem that they need to fix soon, or they are going to lose out in the long run. The Wii is seen as a toy, while 360 and PS3 are seen as entertainment systems. As a "toy," Nintendo's profits are going to stagnate, while 360 and PS3 will grow. Growth is the most important thing.

gomanthethird

You really don't understand business. Multinational companies like Sony and Microsoft are not looking for quick profits. They are looking for long-term profits. Nintendo's current business plan will not work in the long-term.

Fastest selling is irrelevant if they are not expanding the amount of games available. Nintendo's potenial profit is limited if they do not change their approach, while Sony and Microsofts plans offer potential for unlimited profit.

Sony looks to be in last place, but they actually might have the biggest ace up their sleeve in Blu-Ray. HD-DVD is dead, and everybody knows it. Sony has the biggest opportunity for growth at this point, but you would probably say that they are dead in the water, which would show that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]

You seem to have a very limited grasp on what makes for a successful business plan. Immediate profits are nice, but the opportunity for growth is more important.

A business plan that makes money in the short run, but has no room for growth is not a successful business plan, not by the standards of a big multinational corporation.

Microsoft's business plan for Xbox 360 and XBL is a longer-term plan than that of Nintendo and the Wii. Wii has sold more consoles, that's true, but growth is very limited as seen by the small amount of games that are available for the system. Microsoft is banking on XBL making money for years to come. Hardware sales are not where money is made. Software is, and currently Microsoft is dominating the Wii in next-gen game sales.

Nintendo has an image problem that they need to fix soon, or they are going to lose out in the long run. The Wii is seen as a toy, while 360 and PS3 are seen as entertainment systems. As a "toy," Nintendo's profits are going to stagnate, while 360 and PS3 will grow. Growth is the most important thing.

swamprat_basic

You really don't understand business. Multinational companies like Sony and Microsoft are not looking for quick profits. They are looking for long-term profits. Nintendo's current business plan will not work in the long-term.

Fastest selling is irrelevant if they are not expanding the amount of games available. Nintendo's potenial profit is limited if they do not change their approach, while Sony and Microsofts plans offer potential for unlimited profit.

Sony looks to be in last place, but they actually might have the biggest ace up their sleeve in Blu-Ray. HD-DVD is dead, and everybody knows it. Sony has the biggest opportunity for growth at this point, but you would probably say that they are dead in the water, which would show that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Oh please... your pretentious demeanor smacks of a fanboy who took a business class and is trying to put what you've learned into some sort of biased conjumbled rhetoric. MS and Sony would trade places with Nintendo is a heart beat. Infact, MS themselves is now looking into taking a more casual route a la Wii because that's obviously where the market is at.gomanthethird

This is pointless. You have shown again and again that you have no idea what you are talking about. Both MS and Sony have business plans that will continue to make money for years to come. Nintendo's shareholders are probably happy right now, but the only way Nintendo can continue to be successful is to release a new Wii every three years. They aren't selling enough games for Wii to be a sustainable business venture.

Look at a company like Apple. They probably seem untouchable with the popularity of their iPods and iPhones, and they just might be, but they have to keep innovating or else someone else is going to come along and steal their profits. Apple is in a better spot than Nintendo since people are more happy to by a new phone every a few years than a new video game console.