There is virtuallly 0 difference between 720p and 1080p.

720p vs 1080p threads show up all the time. Honestly who cares? I have played 1080p and 720p games and they look virtually identical and I've got a 42" Plasma TV. If someone were to put a game running 1080p next to a game running 720p I bet 99% of the people on this site could not even tell which one is running1080p.

This is so true. I couldn't help but laugh at the cows who even took it a step further and said there was a noticeable difference between 1080p through componant and 1080p in HDMI.

As Frankie of Bungie fame once said, "to claim you can notice a difference based on the cable being used is to announce to the world that you dont know what you're talking about."

720p vs 1080p threads show up all the time. Honestly who cares? I have played 1080p and 720p games and they look virtually identical and I've got a 42" Plasma TV. If someone were to put a game running 1080p next to a game running 720p I bet 99% of the people on this site could not even tell which one is running1080p.

Firelore29

depends on the size of the tv and where you are sitting.\threadmmirza23

Pretty much. 1080p is very noticeable on a 57" Tv, for example. You're getting over twice the amount of detail.

This is so true. I couldn't help but laugh at the cows who even took it a step further and said there was a noticeable difference between 1080p through componant and 1080p in HDMI.

As Frankie of Bungie fame once said, "to claim you can notice a difference based on the cable being used is to announce to the world that you dont know what you're talking about."

Ninja-Vox

if you cant see the difference you are fing blind. i have played my 360 on my 46inch 1080p capable tv with component, vga and now hdmi and i can see the difference in each one. the colors and picture sharpness are different with each cable.

as for 720p and 1080p you can tell the difference but you really really have to look for it.

This is so true. I couldn't help but laugh at the cows who even took it a step further and said there was a noticeable difference between 1080p through componant and 1080p in HDMI.

As Frankie of Bungie fame once said, "to claim you can notice a difference based on the cable being used is to announce to the world that you dont know what you're talking about."

Ninja-Vox

thats a yes and no question yes there's hardly any diffence if you watching a 720p or 1080p picture on a small display like 42-48 inch

but no if watching a 720p or 1080p picture on a large display like a 55-80 inch or a projector

What about 720p v 1080i?

I'll probably buy a HDTV in about a year.

What about 720p v 1080i?

I'll probably buy a HDTV in about a year.

tomarlyn

Virtually no difference between 1080p and 720p? I guess that would be true... if there weren't more than twice as many pixels on-screen when images are rendered in 1080p over 720p...

1280x720 = 921.600 pixels
1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
2560x1650 = 4,224,000 pixels


foxhound_fox

Everyone keeps saying this but the simple fact is that it's darn near impossible to tell the difference for the human eye. If you have a huge TV 50+ inches yes it would probably be noticeable but most people don't have a TV that big.

This is so true. I couldn't help but laugh at the cows who even took it a step further and said there was a noticeable difference between 1080p through componant and 1080p in HDMI.

As Frankie of Bungie fame once said, "to claim you can notice a difference based on the cable being used is to announce to the world that you dont know what you're talking about."

Ninja-Vox

That's another topic, though. He's talking about resolutions, not the cables.

Virtually no difference between 1080p and 720p? I guess that would be true... if there weren't more than twice as many pixels on-screen when images are rendered in 1080p over 720p...

1280x720 = 921.600 pixels
1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
2560x1650 = 4,224,000 pixels


foxhound_fox

I don't think he means there's no tangible difference, but it's probably like the difference between 60 fps and 120 fps. That's a pretty significant difference in FPS, but not one your eye is ever likely to catch. Not that I'm saying it's to that extent.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

What about 720p v 1080i?

I'll probably buy a HDTV in about a year.

foxhound_fox

finally some who really know's what there talking about when it come's to high defintion

Everyone keeps saying this but the simple fact is that it's darn near impossible to tell the difference for the human eye. If you have a huge TV 50+ inches yes it would probably be noticeable but most people don't have a TV that big.Firelore29

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]Everyone keeps saying this but the simple fact is that it's darn near impossible to tell the difference for the human eye. If you have a huge TV 50+ inches yes it would probably be noticeable but most people don't have a TV that big.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

What about 720p v 1080i?

I'll probably buy a HDTV in about a year.

lilboy561

finally some who really know's what there talking about when it come's to high defintion

? Totally different subject then the one at hand.

Virtually no difference between 1080p and 720p? I guess that would be true... if there weren't more than twice as many pixels on-screen when images are rendered in 1080p over 720p...

1280x720 = 921.600 pixels
1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
2560x1650 = 4,224,000 pixels


foxhound_fox

The smaller the difference in pixel size, the smaller the difference in picture quality. The difference in size between a pixel on a 1080p TV and a 720p TV is tiny compared to the difference in size between a pixel on a 720p TV and a 480p TV.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

What about 720p v 1080i?

I'll probably buy a HDTV in about a year.

lilboy561

finally some who really know's what there talking about when it come's to high defintion

foxhound_fox is wrong. 1080i is only a signal for delivery of a video picture. When the signal is reassembled on any modern TV, the picture quality will be nearly indistinguishable (if properly encoded) from a 1080p signal at 30fps. The only advantage of 1080p is that it can go up to 60fps, but movies are filmed in 24fps, TV shows are filmed in 30fps, and video games will almost never be rendered at 1080p/60fps.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Virtually no difference between 1080p and 720p? I guess that would be true... if there weren't more than twice as many pixels on-screen when images are rendered in 1080p over 720p...

1280x720 = 921.600 pixels
1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
2560x1650 = 4,224,000 pixels


Zeliard9

I don't think he means there's no tangible difference, but it's probably like the difference between 60 fps and 120 fps. That's a pretty significant difference in FPS, but not one your eye is ever likely to catch. Not that I'm saying it's to that extent.

Actually, I did some tests on my CRT monitor, and in Counter-Strike: Source, I was able to notice a difference between 60 Hz and 75 Hz. 75 Hz felt smoother and more fluid. I've also noticed the difference between 1280x720 and 1920x1080.

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]Everyone keeps saying this but the simple fact is that it's darn near impossible to tell the difference for the human eye. If you have a huge TV 50+ inches yes it would probably be noticeable but most people don't have a TV that big.foxhound_fox

Completely different. First off it would be going from 1600x1200 to 1280x1024 I have know idea how 1024x768 or 800x600 come into play?!?

Second the only difference you would see would be the screen resolution in windows because things are smaller. However when your actually playing a game you would see virtually 0 difference. Again I've played a number of games at 1280x1024 and I've played a game at 1600x1200 once and you simply can't tell the difference.

^^Aliasing is less noticable with higher res.

720p vs 1080p threads show up all the time. Honestly who cares? I have played 1080p and 720p games and they look virtually identical and I've got a 42" Plasma TV. If someone were to put a game running 1080p next to a game running 720p I bet 99% of the people on this site could not even tell which one is running1080p.

Firelore29

You have two problems with your claims. Firstly is your tv size.You need something larger than a 50' HDTV to make any real notices between the resolutions. And second, you're making a bet to the people. So shouldn't you be making a bet on the official bets boards? Either way, you're just speculation because you have no proof that you could compare both resolution to come up with a solid opinion. Sounds just like a lot of hot air you've blowing.

foxhound_fox is wrong. 1080i is only a signal for delivery of a video picture. When the signal is reassembled on any modern TV, the picture quality will be nearly indistinguishable (if properly encoded) from a 1080p signal at 30fps. The only advantage of 1080p is that it can go up to 60fps, but movies are filmed in 24fps, TV shows are filmed in 30fps, and video games will almost never be rendered at 1080p/60fps. mjarantilla

Completely different. First off it would be going from 1600x1200 to 1280x1024 I have know idea how 1024x768 or 800x600 come into play?!?

Second the only difference you would see would be the screen resolution in windows because things are smaller. However when your actually playing a game you would see virtually 0 difference. Again I've played a number of games at 1280x1024 and I've played a game at 1600x1200 once and you simply can't tell the difference.

Firelore29

I know for blind ppl, the difference is 0

and they also notice 0 difference between 480p and 720p

720p vs 1080p threads show up all the time. Honestly who cares? I have played 1080p and 720p games and they look virtually identical and I've got a 42" Plasma TV. If someone were to put a game running 1080p next to a game running 720p I bet 99% of the people on this site could not even tell which one is running1080p.

Firelore29

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

What about 720p v 1080i?

I'll probably buy a HDTV in about a year.

foxhound_fox

If you guys want to save some money, buy a 24-27" LCD monitor with a 1680x1050 resolution and a good pair of headphones. Not only do you save money, but tons of room as well, you don't have to rearrange your living space to accommodate a giant TV. What's the point in sitting 20 feet away from the TV when you could sit 6 feet away and get the same experience?
foxhound_fox

I have a 23" LCD that maxes out at 1680x1050. I was told a while after buying it though that it may have been a mistake, since monitors that go up to that resolution aren't actually "full" 1080p. Is that significant, or even true?

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

720p vs 1080p threads show up all the time. Honestly who cares? I have played 1080p and 720p games and they look virtually identical and I've got a 42" Plasma TV. If someone were to put a game running 1080p next to a game running 720p I bet 99% of the people on this site could not even tell which one is running1080p.

ChrisMun

You have two problems with your claims. Firstly is your tv size.You need something larger than a 50' HDTV to make any real notices between the resolutions. And second, you're making a bet to the people. So shouldn't you be making a bet on the official bets boards? Either way, you're just speculation because you have no proof that you could compare both resolution to come up with a solid opinion. Sounds just like a lot of hot air you've blowing.

Listen I'm not saying that there isn't any difference. There is. But for most people there is not any difference.

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]Completely different. First off it would be going from 1600x1200 to 1280x1024 I have know idea how 1024x768 or 800x600 come into play?!?

Second the only difference you would see would be the screen resolution in windows because things are smaller. However when your actually playing a game you would see virtually 0 difference. Again I've played a number of games at 1280x1024 and I've played a game at 1600x1200 once and you simply can't tell the difference.

foxhound_fox

No. Simply no. Your wrong. Everyone can say that there is MASSIVE difference all day long and quote numbers and such but when push comes to shove and your actually sitting down to play a game unless you have a HUGE Tv you are not going to notice the difference.

[QUOTE="mmirza23"] depends on the size of the tv and where you are sitting.\threadGrive

Pretty much. 1080p is very noticeable on a 57" Tv, for example. You're getting over twice the amount of detail.

Hmm... I have a 52" and I don't see a big difference...

The smaller the difference in pixel size, the smaller the difference in picture quality. The difference in size between a pixel on a 1080p TV and a 720p TV is tiny compared to the difference in size between a pixel on a 720p TV and a 480p TV.

mjarantilla

Um, the difference between 480p and 720p is exactly the same difference as the one between 720p and 1080p.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

The smaller the difference in pixel size, the smaller the difference in picture quality. The difference in size between a pixel on a 1080p TV and a 720p TV is tiny compared to the difference in size between a pixel on a 720p TV and a 480p TV.

Grive

Um, the difference between 480p and 720p is exactly the same difference as the one between 720p and 1080p.

The differeence in picture quality is but the difference to the human eye is much different.

Well could it just be because PC games are made to be able to output to those kinds of crazy resolutions, and console games generally aren't? Because foxhound is right, at least on a monitor, there is DEFINITELY a very noticeable difference between a resolution like 1024x768 and 1680x1050 in games.

But I also agree with some of the others that even on a huge TV, the difference between 720p and 1080p doesn't seem that big, at least not nearly to the extent it is on a monitor. I haven't tried PC games on a large HDTV, though, just console.

Depends ons

Source Materiel

Screen Size

How far you are from the screen

On TV's under 50", it's nearly impossible to tell the difference. This is true.

For larger front projection setups this ceases to be true, though.

The differeence in picture quality is but the difference to the human eye is much different.

Firelore29

To gauge that, you'd need to compare the jumps with an analogous jump in TV size. If we sit at the same distance from all three TVs, a 20" 480p TV will have the same quality to the human eye as a 30" 720p which will have the same quality as a 45" 1080p.