This gen has been a nightmare for Sony so far

Going from a dominant first place to dead last, selling a mere 80 k in NDP, and a pitiful 8 k a week in Japan.

Game division posting 2 billion in losses, having to cancel the 20 gb PS3, laying off employees, replacing Ken Kutagari

The PS3 is bombing folks.

The nightmare will end when they wake up from their coma.

Only in comparison to their past successes. Microsoft has posted large losses on a regular basis. They only canceled the 20 gig b/c it's not the model consumers wanted, that was a smart decision, not a sign of 'bombing'. The lay offs & Ken Kutagari were negative reprecussions for the financial hit though.

But as many analysts state, the lackluster sales of the 360 indicate that many gamers are still on the fence and just waiting to see if the games on the PS3 will redeem it. The only console with blockbuster sales at this point is the Wii. Which puts Sony in a good place in relation to the 360... they'll be okay.

Only in comparison to their past successes. Microsoft has posted large losses on a regular basis. They only canceled the 20 gig b/c it's not the model consumers wanted, that was a smart decision, not a sign of 'bombing'. The lay offs & Ken Kutagari were negative reprecussions for the financial hit though.

But as many analysts state, the lackluster sales of the 360 indicate that many gamers are still on the fence and just waiting to see if the games on the PS3 will redeem it. The only console with blockbuster sales at this point is the Wii. Which puts Sony in a good place in relation to the 360... they'll be okay.

Sgt_Hale

Agreed

I wouldn't say a nightmare but it isn't exactly a walk in the park like it was last time. 

6 months.  Show me your crystal ball because no one knows what will happen when PS3 releases actual good first party games as well as a price drop.  Each console has it's weakness, PS3 is the software/price, X360 is defective hardware, and Wii is......well that it is a gamecube in sheep clothing.

They may pull out of this OK, but they can't afford to have several years like this last one.Warfust

Every ps console has went through this, the ps1 and ps2 and now the ps3, and ppl said the same thing those generations, that its over for sony but they just seem to bounce back once the games start rolling in. Look for the same thing to happen again as devs start to learn how to work on the ps3 hardware. Ps3 will be ok. :)

The nightmare will end when they wake up from their coma.

 

Nike_Air

I think we should pull the feeding tube, I doesnt look like they are comming out of it :cry:

[QUOTE="Warfust"]They may pull out of this OK, but they can't afford to have several years like this last one.squallff8_fan

Every ps console has went through this, the ps1 and ps2 and now the ps3, and ppl said the same thing those generations, that its over for sony but they just seem to bounce back once the games start rolling in. Look for the same thing to happen again as devs start to learn how to work on the ps3 hardware. Ps3 will be ok. :)

Yeah I think the key is getting the 3rd party developers intrested in learning how to use the PS3 hardware.  Like the PS2, devs hated it because there is no "easy button" and of course they loved the Xbox because it was something they understood therefore they were much more comfortable.  Of course devs were forced to learn how to use the PS2 because it became such a huge success.  I wonder if the lack of success so far will effect the eagerness to learn how to properly use the PS3.  It's obvious PS2 was better out of the gate (even with everyone bashing it like the PS3) but the continued sales proved them wrong.......there is no continued success of sales this time which makes it a different ballgame.

PS3 will not repeat the success of PS2 although I don't think it's out of the question that they still retain the number one spot in the end.

[QUOTE="Warfust"]They may pull out of this OK, but they can't afford to have several years like this last one.squallff8_fan

Every ps console has went through this, the ps1 and ps2 and now the ps3, and ppl said the same thing those generations, that its over for sony but they just seem to bounce back once the games start rolling in. Look for the same thing to happen again as devs start to learn how to work on the ps3 hardware. Ps3 will be ok. :)

some ppl might have bashed the ps1 and ps2 but they both sold very well to begin with. that's not the case with the ps3.  

People said the same about the PS1 and PS2......................and they made out good....................

But then again, they didn't cost $599 at a time when gas prices are nearing $4 a gallon, the housing market wasn't crashing, the cost of food, (and nearly all commodities) wasn't rising at an alarming rate, and the U.S economy wasn't quagmired in an ultra-expensive war.

So the success of a $599 game console, at a time of an economic slump, whose "console saving" (as refered to by cows) games won't be out for another year is looking bleak....

and I love it.

People said the same about the PS1 and PS2......................and they made out good....................

 

But then again, they didn't cost $599 at a time when gas prices are nearing $4 a gallon, the housing market wasn't crashing, the cost of food, (and nearly all commodities) wasn't rising at an alarming rate, and the U.S economy wasn't quagmired in an ultra-expensive war.

 

 

So the success of a $599 game console, at a time of an economic slump, whose "console saving" (as refered to by cows) games won't be out for another year is looking bleak....

 

 

 

and I love it.

x037leox

Such an ignorant fanboy.

[QUOTE="x037leox"]

People said the same about the PS1 and PS2......................and they made out good....................

 

But then again, they didn't cost $599 at a time when gas prices are nearing $4 a gallon, the housing market wasn't crashing, the cost of food, (and nearly all commodities) wasn't rising at an alarming rate, and the U.S economy wasn't quagmired in an ultra-expensive war.

 

 

So the success of a $599 game console, at a time of an economic slump, whose "console saving" (as refered to by cows) games won't be out for another year is looking bleak....

 

 

 

and I love it.

deadhead127

Such an ignorant fanboy.

Care to disprove any false statements in my post that you don't agree with, rather than flaming?

Or is that all you got? 

Only in comparison to their past successes. Microsoft has posted large losses on a regular basis. They only canceled the 20 gig b/c it's not the model consumers wanted, that was a smart decision, not a sign of 'bombing'. The lay offs & Ken Kutagari were negative reprecussions for the financial hit though.

Sgt_Hale

Ummm no.

They cancelled it cause they lose more money on the 20GB than the 60GB.

And how can they tell if the 20GB is not wanted? Their shipments were 4 times more for the 60GB version than the 20GB so ofcourse you can say the demand is more for the 60GB and more people are buying it cause there are more of that version on the shelves 

People said the same about the PS1 and PS2......................and they made out good....................

 

But then again, they didn't cost $599 at a time when gas prices are nearing $4 a gallon, the housing market wasn't crashing, the cost of food, (and nearly all commodities) wasn't rising at an alarming rate, and the U.S economy wasn't quagmired in an ultra-expensive war.

 

 

So the success of a $599 game console, at a time of an economic slump, whose "console saving" (as refered to by cows) games won't be out for another year is looking bleak....

 

 

 

and I love it.

x037leox

Actually, I agree, the timing for the pricetag for the PS3 is bad due to the economic times. Also, PS1 & PS2 are consistent to be on the $299 price tag. The $599 price tag really destroys what Playstation is the console for choice (because it is affordable).

[QUOTE="deadhead127"][QUOTE="x037leox"]

People said the same about the PS1 and PS2......................and they made out good....................

 

But then again, they didn't cost $599 at a time when gas prices are nearing $4 a gallon, the housing market wasn't crashing, the cost of food, (and nearly all commodities) wasn't rising at an alarming rate, and the U.S economy wasn't quagmired in an ultra-expensive war.

 

 

So the success of a $599 game console, at a time of an economic slump, whose "console saving" (as refered to by cows) games won't be out for another year is looking bleak....

 

 

 

and I love it.

x037leox

Such an ignorant fanboy.

Care to disprove any false statements in my post that you don't agree with, rather than flaming?

Or is that all you got? 

I actually agree with your assessment of the situation.  That means once the PS3 gets a price drop everything should fall into place. 

I also think this is the reason why X360 has not be selling as good as it should (aside from the hardware defect problem it's having).  As the reasons you stated, it's my belief that the Wii's price gives it the biggest advantage at this time.  Things will change as time goes on because I doubt X360 and PS3 will remain that high of price.

[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]

Only in comparison to their past successes. Microsoft has posted large losses on a regular basis. They only canceled the 20 gig b/c it's not the model consumers wanted, that was a smart decision, not a sign of 'bombing'. The lay offs & Ken Kutagari were negative reprecussions for the financial hit though.

kcpp2b

Ummm no.

They cancelled it cause they lose more money on the 20GB than the 60GB.

And how can they tell if the 20GB is not wanted? Their shipments were 4 times more for the 60GB version than the 20GB so ofcourse you can say the demand is more for the 60GB and more people are buying it cause there are more of that version on the shelves 

That's my thoughts as well.  I think some analyst broke it down by the parts of each skew and found they lose a lot more for the 20 gig than the 60 gig.  Reason being is the 20 gig originally was going to be stripped down even further than it was but they backed off that at the last minute (something like it wasn't going to have the hdmi or something). 

However, they could have removed that skew because they knew they were going to reduce the price of the $600 PS3 skew.  If they were still selling the 20 gig, they would have to drop the price of that as well which would mean they would lose even more.  It was just easier to discontinue the cheaper skew that way you can reduce the price of the only remaining one.

Going from a dominant first place to dead last, selling a mere 80 k in NDP, and a pitiful 8 k a week in Japan.

Game division posting 2 billion in losses, having to cancel the 20 gb PS3, laying off employees, replacing Ken Kutagari

The PS3 is bombing folks.

jedigemini

If thats true sony made a fatal error by releasing there only console sellers almost 2 years after they launched.

People said the same about the PS1 and PS2......................and they made out good....................

 

But then again, they didn't cost $599 at a time when gas prices are nearing $4 a gallon, the housing market wasn't crashing, the cost of food, (and nearly all commodities) wasn't rising at an alarming rate, and the U.S economy wasn't quagmired in an ultra-expensive war.

So the success of a $599 game console, at a time of an economic slump, whose "console saving" (as refered to by cows) games won't be out for another year is looking bleak....

and I love it.

x037leox

you sound like an alarmist...do you have any factual data to back this junk up? besides Gas prices are high? BTW you forgot global warming melting the ice caps :|

Anyone that believes the ps3 is done for, doesnt no what they are talking about. First off yes the ps1 and ps2 are different from the ps3 because of the cost of the ps3, right now this is the only reason why the ps3 is not selling well, and due to lack of great games, but what alot of u lack to see is that the ps3 will not stay at that price range for the rest of its life cycle. It will eventually drop and I think e3 will be an announcement of a price drop of the 60 version ps3 and the 80 gb version will be announced aswell.

What im trying to point out between Sony, MS, and Nintendo, what strengths, does sony have vs MS and Nintendo and sony has a great track mark of doing from there last 2 generations of consoles and they will continue with the ps3? U all seem to forget that sony strengths in there console comes from a huge library of games but not just for a few genre of games but games that cover every genre of gaming including new genres. This is one of the key things sony always has had over the competition and yes u may say MS and Nintendo has taken all the third party support from Sony but another key factor plays into this, which sony has the best track record out of the 3 and is why ppl trust sony and will eventually buy a ps3 down the line, its just a matter of, "TIME" and price drops from the system. Let me get str8 to the point what alot of u dont seem to understand about sony. Because sony has proven that they will support each of there systems for a life cycle of 10 years, this is why I know it will be successful down the line, because if there is one thing every dev knows about sony and there history track record, is even with this slow start, the ps3 will eventually start selling like hot cakes down the line, when games start coming in that ppl been waiting for and when the ps3 has dropped the price tag of the system to where consumers who have been waiting anxiously will finally get there hands on one. And u think that out of all those ps2's they have sold that all of those ppl dont want a ps3? I guarantee they all do, but do to price and software, they will hold out for the time being until these things come around. That is a fact, and is the reason why I know sony will be ok. :)

Anyone that believes the ps3 is done for, doesnt no what they are talking about. First off yes the ps1 and ps2 are different from the ps3 because of the cost of the ps3, right now this is the only reason why the ps3 is not selling well, and due to lack of great games, but what alot of u lack to see is that the ps3 will not stay at that price range for the rest of its life cycle. It will eventually drop and I think e3 will be an announcement of a price drop of the 60 version ps3 and the 80 gb version will be announced aswell.

What im trying to point out between Sony, MS, and Nintendo, what strengths, does sony have vs MS and Nintendo and sony has a great track mark of doing from there last 2 generations of consoles and they will continue with the ps3? U all seem to forget that sony strengths in there console comes from a huge library of games but not just for a few genre of games but games that cover every genre of gaming including new genres. This is one of the key things sony always has had over the competition and yes u may say MS and Nintendo has taken all the third party support from Sony but another key factor plays into this, which sony has the best track record out of the 3 and is why ppl trust sony and will eventually buy a ps3 down the line, its just a matter of, "TIME" and price drops from the system. Let me get str8 to the point what alot of u dont seem to understand about sony. Because sony has proven that they will support each of there systems for a life cycle of 10 years, this is why I know it will be successful down the line, because if there is one thing every dev knows about sony and there history track record, is even with this slow start, the ps3 will eventually start selling like hot cakes down the line, when games start coming in that ppl been waiting for and when the ps3 has dropped the price tag of the system to where consumers who have been waiting anxiously will finally get there hands on one. And u think that out of all those ps2's they have sold that all of those ppl dont want a ps3? I guarantee they all do, but do to price and software, they will hold out for the time being until these things come around. That is a fact, and is the reason why I know sony will be ok. :)

squallff8_fan

I know this is a PS3 defense based on your posting history but can you sum it up into 3 sentences :)

[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]

Only in comparison to their past successes. Microsoft has posted large losses on a regular basis. They only canceled the 20 gig b/c it's not the model consumers wanted, that was a smart decision, not a sign of 'bombing'. The lay offs & Ken Kutagari were negative reprecussions for the financial hit though.

But as many analysts state, the lackluster sales of the 360 indicate that many gamers are still on the fence and just waiting to see if the games on the PS3 will redeem it. The only console with blockbuster sales at this point is the Wii. Which puts Sony in a good place in relation to the 360... they'll be okay.

ironcreed

Agreed

One of the most intelligent comparisons I've heard is the PS3 to the Gamecube, as it isn't the market leader, but It'll live on to fight another battle. 

[QUOTE="squallff8_fan"]

Anyone that believes the ps3 is done for, doesnt no what they are talking about. First off yes the ps1 and ps2 are different from the ps3 because of the cost of the ps3, right now this is the only reason why the ps3 is not selling well, and due to lack of great games, but what alot of u lack to see is that the ps3 will not stay at that price range for the rest of its life cycle. It will eventually drop and I think e3 will be an announcement of a price drop of the 60 version ps3 and the 80 gb version will be announced aswell.

What im trying to point out between Sony, MS, and Nintendo, what strengths, does sony have vs MS and Nintendo and sony has a great track mark of doing from there last 2 generations of consoles and they will continue with the ps3? U all seem to forget that sony strengths in there console comes from a huge library of games but not just for a few genre of games but games that cover every genre of gaming including new genres. This is one of the key things sony always has had over the competition and yes u may say MS and Nintendo has taken all the third party support from Sony but another key factor plays into this, which sony has the best track record out of the 3 and is why ppl trust sony and will eventually buy a ps3 down the line, its just a matter of, "TIME" and price drops from the system. Let me get str8 to the point what alot of u dont seem to understand about sony. Because sony has proven that they will support each of there systems for a life cycle of 10 years, this is why I know it will be successful down the line, because if there is one thing every dev knows about sony and there history track record, is even with this slow start, the ps3 will eventually start selling like hot cakes down the line, when games start coming in that ppl been waiting for and when the ps3 has dropped the price tag of the system to where consumers who have been waiting anxiously will finally get there hands on one. And u think that out of all those ps2's they have sold that all of those ppl dont want a ps3? I guarantee they all do, but do to price and software, they will hold out for the time being until these things come around. That is a fact, and is the reason why I know sony will be ok. :)

Medjai

I know this is a PS3 defense based on your posting history but can you sum it up into 3 sentences :)

Based on all the systems I own, the ps brand's history speaks for itself, and there success with the stradegy sony has taken to do so in the first ps1 and ps2 shows that an early bad launch start, doesnt guarantee that the ps3 is done for, and is just the begining. If there is a mistake sony has done, that is the price of the console, but the price will eventually go down, and I can guarantee, millions of ppl are anxious to get there hands on a ps3. Look at the price of the xbox 360, and if the library is so amazing as alot of ppl say it is, then why isnt the xbox 360 dominating in sales? Even with the wii there, u would think if ppl really did want an xbox 360, they would have been in the wii's position now where u cant find them in stock but they can be found anywhere. I own both systems but im trying to prove to ppl that say the ps3 is dead that, the ps3 will be ok. :)

you sound like an alarmist...do you have any factual data to back this junk up? besides Gas prices are high? BTW you forgot global warming melting the ice caps :|

Medjai

Here is the JUNK you asked for.

GAS, do I really need to prove this, eh.. I'll just pick a random article, there are so many,

May 16 2007

http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/16/news/economy/record_gas_prices/index.htm?postversion=2007051612

Gasoline prices hit a record high for the fourth straight day Wednesday, according to AAA, and more records could be on the way.

May 17, 2007

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Business/story?id=3183753

Economists say consumers shouldn't expect price increases to stop. The government is warning of the highest rate of food inflation since 1990.

Wednesday, April 25, 2007

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-11/117747687145640.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

The number of homes sold last month plunged at the fastest rate in nearly 20 years.

It was the largest one-month decline since January 1989, during the last housing recession.

Was that enough ownage, or would you like some more? 

Oh about the Polar ice caps melting..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070515/sc_livescience/californiasizedareaoficemeltsinantarctica

Warm temperatures melted an area of western Antarctica that adds up to the size of California in January 2005, scientists report.

Please go away now............ 

Great time to drop $599 for a console.

[QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="squallff8_fan"]

Anyone that believes the ps3 is done for, doesnt no what they are talking about. First off yes the ps1 and ps2 are different from the ps3 because of the cost of the ps3, right now this is the only reason why the ps3 is not selling well, and due to lack of great games, but what alot of u lack to see is that the ps3 will not stay at that price range for the rest of its life cycle. It will eventually drop and I think e3 will be an announcement of a price drop of the 60 version ps3 and the 80 gb version will be announced aswell.

What im trying to point out between Sony, MS, and Nintendo, what strengths, does sony have vs MS and Nintendo and sony has a great track mark of doing from there last 2 generations of consoles and they will continue with the ps3? U all seem to forget that sony strengths in there console comes from a huge library of games but not just for a few genre of games but games that cover every genre of gaming including new genres. This is one of the key things sony always has had over the competition and yes u may say MS and Nintendo has taken all the third party support from Sony but another key factor plays into this, which sony has the best track record out of the 3 and is why ppl trust sony and will eventually buy a ps3 down the line, its just a matter of, "TIME" and price drops from the system. Let me get str8 to the point what alot of u dont seem to understand about sony. Because sony has proven that they will support each of there systems for a life cycle of 10 years, this is why I know it will be successful down the line, because if there is one thing every dev knows about sony and there history track record, is even with this slow start, the ps3 will eventually start selling like hot cakes down the line, when games start coming in that ppl been waiting for and when the ps3 has dropped the price tag of the system to where consumers who have been waiting anxiously will finally get there hands on one. And u think that out of all those ps2's they have sold that all of those ppl dont want a ps3? I guarantee they all do, but do to price and software, they will hold out for the time being until these things come around. That is a fact, and is the reason why I know sony will be ok. :)

squallff8_fan

I know this is a PS3 defense based on your posting history but can you sum it up into 3 sentences :)

Based on all the systems I own, the ps brand's history speaks for itself, and there success with the stradegy sony has taken to do so in the first ps1 and ps2 shows that an early bad launch start, doesnt guarantee that the ps3 is done for, and is just the begining. If there is a mistake sony has done, that is the price of the console, but the price will eventually go down, and I can guarantee, millions of ppl are anxious to get there hands on a ps3. Look at the price of the xbox 360, and if the library is so amazing as alot of ppl say it is, then why isnt the xbox 360 dominating in sales? Even with the wii there, u would think if ppl really did want an xbox 360, they would have been in the wii's position now where u cant find them in stock but they can be found anywhere. I own both systems but im trying to prove to ppl that say the ps3 is dead that, the ps3 will be ok. :)

I appreciate your enthusiastic defence.  I for one hope that Sony survive this undeniable serious problem they have created for themselves.  Your argument presupposes that a price drop is the magic button that will right the PS3 ship, patch the hole and set it sailing.  Perhaps if the PS3 was in a bubble, that might be true.  The problem it has right now isn't the PS3 by itself, but the competition it is facing as well - the consumer's option.  Sony is in a horrible position to lower it's PS3 pricepoint, but I agree, they will do so and face taking a greater loss in order to build its marketshare.  But Wii and 360 (especially considering analysts predict MS's first profitable quarter ever post Halo 3 launch) are in a much better position to drop prices. 

You have to know all Nintendo and MS are doing is waiting to see when Sony lowers the price and they will instantaneously match it.  So you see, the competition in the price differential won't change.  Granted there are some die hard Sony fans out there who are committed to sony, but the PS2 userbase has all but dried up and switched mainly to the Wii, while the 360 has benefitted to a lesser degree. 

Financially, the games division of Sony is not okay.  Overall the company is doing well, but it isn't a good idea to harm the big business to stay competitive in the game market.  Especially, when in 2007, Sony would be a much better company without SCE.

[QUOTE="Medjai"]

you sound like an alarmist...do you have any factual data to back this junk up? besides Gas prices are high? BTW you forgot global warming melting the ice caps :|

x037leox

Here is the JUNK you asked for.

GAS, do I really need to prove this, eh.. I'll just pick a random article, there are so many,

May 16 2007

http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/16/news/economy/record_gas_prices/index.htm?postversion=2007051612

Gasoline prices hit a record high for the fourth straight day Wednesday, according to AAA, and more records could be on the way.

May 17, 2007

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Business/story?id=3183753

Economists say consumers shouldn't expect price increases to stop. The government is warning of the highest rate of food inflation since 1990.

Wednesday, April 25, 2007

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-11/117747687145640.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

The number of homes sold last month plunged at the fastest rate in nearly 20 years.

It was the largest one-month decline since January 1989, during the last housing recession.

Was that enough ownage, or would you like some more?

Oh about the Polar ice caps melting..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070515/sc_livescience/californiasizedareaoficemeltsinantarctica

Warm temperatures melted an area of western Antarctica that adds up to the size of California in January 2005, scientists report.

Please go away now............

Great time to drop $599 for a console.

Dude. Man. That was some serious ownage.  

Spiderman 3 The Movie was another nail in Sony's coffin.

And most games people want are coming out next year. SolidSnake2020

By which time the 360 would have had loads of great games out so why bother with the PS3?

Spiderman 3 The Movie was another nail in Sony's coffin.

ReverseCycology

I hope you talk about the game... if not...

http://forevergeek.com/entertainment/spider-man_3_breaks_all_records.php

[QUOTE="x037leox"]

People said the same about the PS1 and PS2......................and they made out good....................

 

But then again, they didn't cost $599 at a time when gas prices are nearing $4 a gallon, the housing market wasn't crashing, the cost of food, (and nearly all commodities) wasn't rising at an alarming rate, and the U.S economy wasn't quagmired in an ultra-expensive war.

So the success of a $599 game console, at a time of an economic slump, whose "console saving" (as refered to by cows) games won't be out for another year is looking bleak....

and I love it.

Medjai

you sound like an alarmist...do you have any factual data to back this junk up? besides Gas prices are high? BTW you forgot global warming melting the ice caps :|

How can he be an alarmist by mentioning the items you highlighted? Everyone has already come to the consensus that those things are in fact really happening (yes, even global warming which you facetiously included), so he sounds a lot more like a realist than an alarmist to me. Perhaps you should read a definition for alarmist, his post is missing any descriptions of "pending" doom, he is simply talking about the current state of affairs.