This gen, no matter what, we ALL lose.

i mean think about it.

if the wii wins: can you imagine next gen console looking like todays average games? most wii games are pure shovelware because its easy to make them and if the boxart is 'cool' enough you can guarantee it will sell. its ok having ONE console just to plug and play, but next gen, good graphics are gona be a must.

if the 360 wins: Rushed consoles, the 360 was clearly not ready at launch, half if not even more (despite what ms say) have broken and believe it or not, the rrod is not the worst problem. this could be even worse in a future. but i think no one will be dumb enough to follow this steps. microsoft has done good with all the game support etc, because other wise the 360 would dissapear.

if the ps3 wins: Milkage, bluray is NOT needed this gen. end of argument. uncompressed audio just to fill a stupid bluray disc? thats the worst excuse since microsofts 'delays', i mean atleast ad some demos or something. i dont really want next gen consoles to be overpriced due to uneccesary technology.

in the end the only one that follows itsprevious steps, is the pc, but we are talking about consoles here.

lets just hope E.A. doesnt show up with a new console....

optimismlevi895

our only hope

we all win because of the amazing games we get.club-sandwich

yes thats the good part

we all win because of the amazing games we get.club-sandwich

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

I have no idea what you're talking about. A market leader has never been fully emulated in the next generation by a competitor. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt it will happen in the future. Its about progression.

Blackbond

yea well sometime coping isnt that bad of an idea, sega consoles suck ass

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

I have no idea what you're talking about. A market leader has never been fully emulated in the next generation by a competitor. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt it will happen in the future. Its about progression.

Kirlok

yea well sometime coping isnt that bad of an idea, sega consoles suck ass

Say what now? OH I'm sorry, I guess your opinions is greater than everyone in System Wars right now, I guess we should all bow to your SEGA hatred since all SEGA did was release great games for the GENESIS. Oh please rule us with your opinions! :roll:

SEGA can what Nintendont

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

I have no idea what you're talking about. A market leader has never been fully emulated in the next generation by a competitor. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt it will happen in the future. Its about progression.

Kirlok

yea well sometime coping isnt that bad of an idea, sega consoles suck ass

[QUOTE="Kirlok"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

I have no idea what you're talking about. A market leader has never been fully emulated in the next generation by a competitor. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt it will happen in the future. Its about progression.

Bluestorm-Kalas

yea well sometime coping isnt that bad of an idea, sega consoles suck ass

Not to mention the Mega Drive and even the Master System had some pretty awesome games (The Saturn had it's share as well, if your into importing).

I've owned every Nintendo console since the begining. After owning a Wii for a week I sold it. I hate the Wiimote and my biggest fear is motion controls w/o the option for all next gen sytems. I think it might kill gaming because I know I wont' be playing games with motion controls. jdc6305

So because you don't like games with motion controls if future systems use motion controls it might kill gaming? Wow now that's perfect logic.

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"]we all win because of the amazing games we get.Tiefster

the only true losers this gen and past gens are fanboys because all they do is bash and hate on other games.

the real winners in gaming generations til today are Gamers, because they tend to enjoy on whatever games they can get their hands on regardless of what game or console it is.

..so from my personal perspectives TC, you're definitely a fanboy. no offense

PS3 winning would not be a bad scenario. MS is king of milkage this gen and Nintendo the queen (fruity games and fans). Blu-ray wasn't necessary but Sony took losses bigger than the drive cost so it's not that big of a deal. Probably about the same price to add now as DVD now so it really was worth it (almost all cost of players is the decoding hardware).Lazy_Boy88

sad state of affairs when you have to insult a rival console's brand name to make up for your insecurities in your console??

PS3 winning would not be a bad scenario. MS is king of milkage this gen and Nintendo the queen (fruity games and fans). Blu-ray wasn't necessary but Sony took losses bigger than the drive cost so it's not that big of a deal. Probably about the same price to add now as DVD now so it really was worth it (almost all cost of players is the decoding hardware).Lazy_Boy88

Having your fruity opinion is the biggest insult.

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

I have no idea what you're talking about. A market leader has never been fully emulated in the next generation by a competitor. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt it will happen in the future. Its about progression.

Blackbond

That may have been the case in the past but I don't think Microsoft or Sony will go balls to the wall all out and try to get the best hardware they can think of Next Generation like they did this generation with PS3 and 360. I think we may seem them take a more conservative route and try and put affordable parts into their systems that don't cost too much because we have seen that the market just won't pay for a $600 gaming console.

i mean think about it.

if the wii wins: can you imagine next gen console looking like todays average games? most wii games are pure shovelware because its easy to make them and if the boxart is 'cool' enough you can guarantee it will sell. its ok having ONE console just to plug and play, but next gen, good graphics are gona be a must.

if the 360 wins: Rushed consoles, the 360 was clearly not ready at launch, half if not even more (despite what ms say) have broken and believe it or not, the rrod is not the worst problem. this could be even worse in a future. but i think no one will be dumb enough to follow this steps. microsoft has done good with all the game support etc, because other wise the 360 would dissapear.

if the ps3 wins: Milkage, bluray is NOT needed this gen. end of argument. uncompressed audio just to fill a stupid bluray disc? thats the worst excuse since microsofts 'delays', i mean atleast ad some demos or something. i dont really want next gen consoles to be overpriced due to uneccesary technology.

in the end the only one that follows itsprevious steps, is the pc, but we are talking about consoles here.

lets just hope E.A. doesnt show up with a new console....

Kirlok

I disagree with you on Blu Ray not being needed as last generation developers were filling up DVDs.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

I have no idea what you're talking about. A market leader has never been fully emulated in the next generation by a competitor. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt it will happen in the future. Its about progression.

-Renegade

That may have been the case in the past but I don't think Microsoft or Sony will go balls to the wall all out and try to get the best hardware they can think of Next Generation like they did this generation with PS3 and 360. I think we may seem them take a more conservative route and try and put affordable parts into their systems that don't cost too much because we have seen that the market just won't pay for a $600 gaming console.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

I have no idea what you're talking about. A market leader has never been fully emulated in the next generation by a competitor. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt it will happen in the future. Its about progression.

jg4xchamp

That may have been the case in the past but I don't think Microsoft or Sony will go balls to the wall all out and try to get the best hardware they can think of Next Generation like they did this generation with PS3 and 360. I think we may seem them take a more conservative route and try and put affordable parts into their systems that don't cost too much because we have seen that the market just won't pay for a $600 gaming console.

With how cheap RAM is atm hopefully they will learn there lesson and have a decent amount, 2 gig minimum imo next gen. HDD's are cheap too a 1TB HDD is cheaper than BR player and even if your having 10 gig installs thats 100 games before you fill it up. And i agree the GPU/CPU is probably going to be high end imo it will surely take up alot of the product cost at launch but afiak the costs drop pretty quick on these.

Blu-Ray was in the PS3 to help it win the format war awhich it did and by the time the next round of consoles come the price sould have droped alot for BR players and it shouldn't be the major factor in a consoles high price, a DVD/HDD combo will still be cheaper than BR/HDD though.

fact: Most shovelware(regardless of boxart) sells terribly on Wii. in order for shovelware to sell well it had to either limp off of a big franchise, be bundled with something cool, or have insane bargains. In other words it had to have a hardcore attraction to push its sales.

wow tc, you have no idea what you are tlking about, do you.

shovelware does not sll on wii.

yes 360 was rushed but it had good games.

blu-ray is needed. only hermits and lemmings deny this.

Each console company will learn from it's mistakes next gen hopefully. It's costed Microsoft millions in repairs for the RROD. I doubt they will make the same mistake again and rush out the console unless there completely certain it's working order unless they yet again want to be paying millions in repair costs.

Sony on the other hand wont have a bigger ego as before and think they can sell an overpriced console based off a blu ray player and multimedia features, things generally gamers don't care about. And hopefully they will focus more on the gaming side of things.

Nintendo.. Well... I just don't know where there heading.. If Wii continues to sell at a massive rate. Then expect more of the same next gen.. More gimmicks, more rehashes, Zero third party games, Shovelware. Nintendo might be the only console company that wont learn from it's mistakes. And yes they are making mistakes even though the Wii is selling at an explosive rate.

Each console company will learn from it's mistakes next gen hopefully. It's costed Microsoft millions in repairs for the RROD. I doubt they will make the same mistake again and rush out the console unless there completely certain it's working order unless they yet again want to be paying millions in repair costs.

Sony on the other hand wont have a bigger ego as before and think they can sell a console based off a blu ray player and multimedia features, things generally gamers don't care about. And hopefully they will focus more on the gaming side of things.

Nintendo.. Well... I just don't know where there heading.. If Wii continues to sell at a massive rate. Then expect more of the same next gen.. More gimmicks, more rehashes, Zero third party games, Shovelware. Nintendo might be the only console company that wont learn from it's mistakes. And yes they are making mistakes even though the Wii is selling at an explosive rate.

Dahaka-UK

really zero third party? Is Nintendo making the gimmicks? There are a couple of good third party devs making good use of the Wii and just about every Nintendo game makes great use of it.

so far this is one of the best gens ever, (if not THE best ever). so i disagree, we ALL win :D

Whats wrong with a improved technology? If we never progressed we would still be playing on cartridge! Hell if it werent for PS2 using DVD we'd probably still game on CD. Technology innovation is what improves the gaming experience for gamers - Nintendo successfully brings out motion sensing controls for gaming in a different way, Sony brings out a new format to fit MORE gameplay, details graphics etc in, Microsoft leads in online play. "Unneccesary" technology is good - it improves the gaming experience for us gamers.

Improved audio quality is great - maybe you dont have the hardware to support it but for those audiophiles out there who are interested in the sound ASWELL as the graphics innovation in sound quality is a good thing.

if the ps3 wins: Milkage, bluray is NOT needed this gen. end of argument. uncompressed audio just to fill a stupid bluray disc? thats the worst excuse since microsofts 'delays', i mean atleast ad some demos or something. i dont really want next gen consoles to be overpriced due to uneccesary technology.Kirlok

Whats wrong with a improved technology? If we never progressed we would still be playing on cartridge! Hell if it werent for PS2 using DVD we'd probably still game on CD. Technology innovation is what improves the gaming experience for gamers - Nintendo successfully brings out motion sensing controls for gaming in a different way, Sony brings out a new format to fit MORE gameplay, details graphics etc in, Microsoft leads in online play. "Unneccesary" technology is good - it improves the gaming experience for us gamers.

Improved audio quality is great - maybe you dont have the hardware to support it but for those audiophiles out there who are interested in the sound ASWELL as the graphics innovation in sound quality is a good thing.

[QUOTE="Kirlok"]if the ps3 wins: Milkage, bluray is NOT needed this gen. end of argument. uncompressed audio just to fill a stupid bluray disc? thats the worst excuse since microsofts 'delays', i mean atleast ad some demos or something. i dont really want next gen consoles to be overpriced due to uneccesary technology.typevuspecII

wrong

its both technology and new control designt hat is needed. Both companies screwed up. One did not advance the tech enough and the other rehashed their controls

i mean think about it.

if the wii wins: can you imagine next gen console looking like todays average games? most wii games are pure shovelware because its easy to make them and if the boxart is 'cool' enough you can guarantee it will sell. its ok having ONE console just to plug and play, but next gen, good graphics are gona be a must.

if the 360 wins: Rushed consoles, the 360 was clearly not ready at launch, half if not even more (despite what ms say) have broken and believe it or not, the rrod is not the worst problem. this could be even worse in a future. but i think no one will be dumb enough to follow this steps. microsoft has done good with all the game support etc, because other wise the 360 would dissapear.

if the ps3 wins: Milkage, bluray is NOT needed this gen. end of argument. uncompressed audio just to fill a stupid bluray disc? thats the worst excuse since microsofts 'delays', i mean atleast ad some demos or something. i dont really want next gen consoles to be overpriced due to uneccesary technology.

in the end the only one that follows itsprevious steps, is the pc, but we are talking about consoles here.

lets just hope E.A. doesnt show up with a new console....

Kirlok

Your argument for the PS3 is very weak. You say blu-ray isn't needed then why didn't Sony stick with Cartridges when they release the PS1? Why didn't Sony stick with CD's when they release the PS2? The jump from DVD to blu-ray is the same as the jump from Cartridge to CD and CD to DVD in terms of capacity. Developers might not be utilizing the capacity of blu-ray yet, but they will. If you look back at when the PS2 was release, some developer's were releasing games on CD's which they eventually dropped because of space limitations.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

I have no idea what you're talking about. A market leader has never been fully emulated in the next generation by a competitor. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt it will happen in the future. Its about progression.

Kirlok

yea well sometime coping isnt that bad of an idea, sega consoles suck ass

no....just no

Each console company will learn from it's mistakes next gen hopefully. It's costed Microsoft millions in repairs for the RROD. I doubt they will make the same mistake again and rush out the console unless there completely certain it's working order unless they yet again want to be paying millions in repair costs.

Sony on the other hand wont have a bigger ego as before and think they can sell an overpriced console based off a blu ray player and multimedia features, things generally gamers don't care about. And hopefully they will focus more on the gaming side of things.

Nintendo.. Well... I just don't know where there heading.. If Wii continues to sell at a massive rate. Then expect more of the same next gen.. More gimmicks, more rehashes, Zero third party games, Shovelware. Nintendo might be the only console company that wont learn from it's mistakes. And yes they are making mistakes even though the Wii is selling at an explosive rate.

Dahaka-UK

The PS 1 set the standards for spams of bad games.. It proved it works, and it still does.. It all comes down too the consumers really.

Microsoft does loose on its xbox failures, thus making sure they will try too prevent this for the next gen..

PS3 is a game console with a blu-ray player, why is that milkage? For 100$ extra you get a freakin Blu-ray player worth some 300-500$, thats a good deal.

Bottomline, this thread is full of fail..

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"]we all win because of the amazing games we get.Kirlok

yes thats the good part

And really...Isnt that what really matters?

[QUOTE="Kirlok"]

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"]we all win because of the amazing games we get.Cooldude224

yes thats the good part

And really...Isnt that what really matters?

well according to people here they lose because all they count is the negatives

ok explain how can sony be milking this gen from last gens.

no more mutitap for four controlers.

no more memory cards.

free on-line services.

wifi out of the box.

controlers have batteries and no need for a battery charge kit.

any 2.5 hardrive you wish to use.

lol more demos so you bought your console for demos.

only thing that was not included was a 8$ hdmi cables.

so any one here prove me wrong for sony not milking this gen like preveous gens.

I have to disagree with TC.

August-December 07 was the greatest 4 months in gaming history. Please try and find me a time last gen that had that many AAA/AA games in so short a time period? I still haven't even found time to play half of them.

Also, while I agree blu-ray is not needed for gaming, I still think Sony was smart to include it. I own 360 and PS3, but as a 360 launch owner I can honestly say I would never have bought the PS3 if it didn't have the blu-ray drive.

we all win because of the amazing games we get.club-sandwich

Agreed.

Plus TC your arguments are silly, shovelware doesn't sell well, in fact the whole idea of shovelware being something massive is ridiculous. Most shovelware sells about 10,000 copies, just enough for the companies to make a profit.

The 360 might be rushed but if it wins it's not like all the other companies will decicde to rush their consoles...

And as for PS3, blu-ray might not be needed but it's still helping sell consoles, and neither of the other two consoles, especially not Nintendo will adopt such a stupid technology that would massively increase the price of their console, they never adopted DVD did they, they won't devide to do it with HD movies either.

As long as I get my MGS, FF, GT, GoW, a good pro evoltution soccer, and the next team ico game I win :PEddie-Vedder

wii took the crown for PES this year

Wow your wii opinion was funny to read :lol:

The wii isthe best console thisgen so far all the games I have bought for it are extremely fun and ACTULLY feel next gen and not some upgrade like most 360 games ive played.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

• NES wins Sega doesn't copy it with Genesis.
• SNES wins Sega and Sony don't copy it with Saturn and Playstation.
• PS1 wins Nintendo and Microsoft don't copy it with GC and Xbox.
• PS2 wins Microsoft and Nintendo didn't copy it with Wii and 360.

I have no idea what you're talking about. A market leader has never been fully emulated in the next generation by a competitor. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt it will happen in the future. Its about progression.

Kirlok

yea well sometime coping isnt that bad of an idea, sega consoles suck ass

GTFO