This is next gen: Unreal 4 Vs CryEngine 3 Vs Luminous Studio demo (Squarenix)

Unreal Engine 4 - GT.TV Elemental Demo Showcase

Unreal Engine 4 - GT.TV Exclusive Development Walkthrough

GT.TV Unreal 4 Episode

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CryEngine: Water Walkthrough (Cam)

CryEngine: Level Design Walkthrough (Cam)

CryEngine: Lighting Walkthrough

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Agni's Philosophy -- FINAL FANTASY REALTIME TECH DEMO

Agni's Philosophy demo WALKTHROUGH (cam footage)

The future is looking bright. Hoping that next gen consoles deliver what these 3 engines are showcasing. (obviously pc will look better)

Visually, the Squeenix demo was more impressive imo. But the other engines look magnificent also and am glad to hear Unreal 4 is going to be developer friendly (Screw you programmers!!! :P lol jkz)

As was mentioned to me in another thread. Unreal 4 tech demo was only shown with a single card. But still..

I liked Elemental the most. SE's moved around way too much and had too much motion blur/DoF for my tastes.

Cry Engine because its not a tech demo of visuals we wont see.

Cry Engine because its not a tech demo of visuals we wont see.

Shirokishi_

They were playing with Elemental in the editor and it looked exactly the same.

The last of us engine, it's obviously next gen

Is the UE4 demo an in-engine video or a real time scene?

Luminous looked more impressive to my untrained eye.

Luminous, but UE4 had some really nice looking lava.

Is the UE4 demo an in-engine video or a real time scene?

shinrabanshou

Assuming real-time scene because they were demonstrating the new editor with it.

Luminous, but UE4 had some really nice looking lava.

ActionRemix

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Luminous, but UE4 had some really nice looking lava.

shinrabanshou

The only thing that really stuck out for me in Elemental is how the particles flowed. They look good, but it seemed too scripted/controlled and not free-flowing. Made it look like some 2D wave.

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Luminous, but UE4 had some really nice looking lava.

ChubbyGuy40

The only thing that really stuck out for me in Elemental is how the particles flowed. They look good, but it seemed too scripted/controlled and not free-flowing. Made it look like some 2D wave.

My money is on that Unreal showcase. While not all about action or anything like that it's particle system is astonishing and is said to run without a hit to performance at all. To see fire and snow swirl around like that was cool. Also the lighting is very impressive.

Another thing is out of all those tech demos, I think the Unreal engine will be the only one to actually reach the level in game as shown in the demo

i cant make it out, cause the volume sucks.. but with the 2nd video i added for agnis philosophy, around the 4:20 - 4:30 mark the lady says something like "running on high end pc that can be found at any electrical store" or something..very unclearcampzor

that is what she says :?

but that video shows off things better whem they play around with it

The only thing that really stuck out for me in Elemental is how the particles flowed. They look good, but it seemed too scripted/controlled and not free-flowing. Made it look like some 2D wave.

ChubbyGuy40

No, they are fully vectored and dynamic. Watch the full walkthrough.

The Square demo is a precomputed cutscene that runs in real time.

UE4 and CE3 both have controllable real time demos. The dev walkthrough of UE4 is mindblowing.

FF tech demo wins... but annoyed with that wussy kind of voice from the girl

plus we got some osama bin laden look-alike

Unreal engine 4 is the best since its created by Epic games, the same organization responsible for Gears of War 3, console's best game graphically. Gears of War is called the Grand Daddy of the Unreal Engine game since there's no other developer that can utilized it more than the creators themselves, Epic games!

Luminous gave me a gamegasm just by watching it. Best graphical real time tech demo ive ever seen.

The Square demo is a precomputed cutscene that runs in real time.

UE4 and CE3 both have controllable real time demos. The dev walkthrough of UE4 is mindblowing.

Baranga

the same organization responsible for Gears of War 3, console's best game graphically.

Click_Clock

Luminous and Unreal Engine 4 are simply brilliant! Those particles :o

Well, of course Luminous looked better, but I'd say that the Unreal Engine 4 demo was displaying a much more realistic view of what next gen consoles will be able to do.

UE4 is going to dominate the coming years just like UE3 did. It's not about whichever engine is the most spectacular looking or powerful, it's about which engine is most adaptable and efficient. UE4 looks great, and if there is any difference in terms of visual fidelity compared to the other engines the difference is pretty minor. What's most impressive however is how easily they've made the engine for game development, and the low hardware requirement (Element was ran on a PC with a single GPU). Although it's very unlikely the consoles will get models and textures as detailed as the ones shown in Element, or as many particular effects, the general effects and the optimisation should still stay. UE4 will contribute a greater deal to the future of gaming on both PC and consoles than the other two engines ever will.GhoX

This too. While the FF demo looked great I don't think it will be as efficient or that it will be easy to use and crank out games fast.

I am super psyched to see devs use UE4 next gen and I hope they do and not waste time developing their own engines. Just focus on making great games because the engine is there to already make them look astonishing. And the fact that UE4 sounds incredibly streamlined and you can do things very fast on the fly and see it in real time already. The editor looked great and some of that lighting blew my mind. The engine also seems very adaptable, on one hand you had the elemental guy on the mountain with a combat type of game and then you had the little flying and sea-bound mini game things. Seems like the engine can do anything.

I wonder what the first game to use it will be and when we'll see it. Epic said they had a PC game in the works, the first one in a long time. Could it be Unreal tournament 4?? :o

Square Enix had the best looking next generation stuff, Cryengine 3 isn't exactly a true next generation engine imo.

Well, of course Luminous looked better, but I'd say that the Unreal Engine 4 demo was displaying a much more realistic view of what next gen consoles will be able to do.

Grovilis

Square Enix had the best looking next generation stuff, Cryengine 3 isn't exactly a true next generation engine imo.

mrfrosty151986

It isn't. It's current gen and will continue to go on for another little while but you can bet your ass they are working on another iteration right now and we will see it in a couple of years. CE4 will be the next gen one. But they will push CE3 as far as they can

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Well, of course Luminous looked better, but I'd say that the Unreal Engine 4 demo was displaying a much more realistic view of what next gen consoles will be able to do.

shinrabanshou

Yeah they are both running on current hardware available to anyone but it's obviously very high end. UE4 is on a 680 or another kepler GPU and i'd imagine the FF one is too seen as they provide the most power (Hope ronvalencia doesn't attack me with AMD performance charts :P)

But the thing is next gen consoles WON'T have that high end hardware so it will be interesting to see how far their GPUs can go to run this type of stuff. What sucks though is they said it's running on an off the shelf GPU but why should we have to wait for next gen to see this stuff if the tech is available right now. The PC market is already in next gen and consoles are holding back the tech now for sure and it makes us all suffer

All three still look like they are video games and still not quite life like. And they are not the leap that going to sd to hd was for this gen. I really wonder if the ps4/720 using visuals close to the tech demoes is going to really get most gamers to buy new systems. Because they look good but not good enough that the average person can tell it apart from what the systems can do now. I know they will be more spec stuff that adds power to the games but is this really going to get people to start paying $600 again for a new system.

All three still look like they are video games and still not quite life like. And they are not the leap that going to sd to hd was for this gen. I really wonder if the ps4/720 using visuals close to the tech demoes is going to really get most gamers to buy new systems. Because they look good but not good enough that the average person can tell it apart from what the systems can do now. I know they will be more spec stuff that adds power to the games but is this really going to get people to start paying $600 again for a new system.

WllDan7

Are you serious? if you can't tell the difference between what is shown in those demos compared to what is in current games then there is something wrong with you. The particle system alone in UE4 is leaps and bounds greater than current stuff.

Someone posted this old Square-Enix FF7 tech demo on gaf.

Considering how more recent PS360 games compare, hopefully these tech demos are at least a indicative of future console visuals and effects.

Someone posted this old Square-Enix FF7 tech demo on gaf.

Considering how more recent PS3 (snip: wasn't a demonstration for 360 so why include) games compare, hopefully these tech demos are at least a indicative of future console visuals and effects.

shinrabanshou

hmm..first of all I thought the demonstration only said for PS3? also...

FFVII demo...

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what do you mean by, "Considering how more recent PS3 (snip: wasn't a demonstration for 360 it shouldn't be compaired here) games compare"?

Are you saying that what SE showed on PS3 wasn't possible, or that SE simply didn't do it with any of their games?

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the SELuminous engine blows the doors off the other engines and is what I would hope next gen games really could be like. Applicable or not, The luminous demo is the only one that had a presentation of graphics that didn't look like a video game. They were going for a total CGI look with the engine and they completely pulled it off.

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Someone posted this old Square-Enix FF7 tech demo on gaf.

Considering how more recent PS3 (snip: wasn't a demonstration for 360 so why include) games compare, hopefully these tech demos are at least a indicative of future console visuals and effects.

casharmy

hmm..first of all I thought the demonstration only said for PS3? also...

what do you mean by, "Considering how more recent PS3 (snip: wasn't a demonstration for 360 it shouldn't be compaired here) games compare"?

Are you saying that what SE showed on PS3 wasn't possible, or that SE simply didn't do it with any of their games?

He meant that when the FFVII thing was shown it looked too good to be true and now that we are almost at the end of the PS3 gen the current games actually look a lot better. So he's hoping that next gen the tech demos shown can be achieved or at least come close.

That's what I got from what he said anyway. No need to spam lots of pics

Peronally I liked the feel of Square's demo more. Especially if they can make it look exactly like that in next-gen platforms.

However, Unreal 4 looks pretty good aswell! I like how the Elemental demo looks almost like a Blizzard CGI in real-time :D And this will be the engine of choice for many games next-gen along CryEngine 3. Overall I think we are well served for next-gen :P

Desmonic

The thing people keep forgetting is they said these demos were running on high end PCs with powerful GPUs. The UE4 one was on a 680 and we don't know what the FF one was on but maybe something similar. But consoles next gen can't afford those kinds of GPUs and still make the console affordable for the average customer. So it's still up in the air as to how they will look on next gen.

I'm still annoyed that we're waiting for consoles to come out before we can see this stuff when it's already right there working on PC parts.

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Someone posted this old Square-Enix FF7 tech demo on gaf.

Considering how more recent PS3 (snip: wasn't a demonstration for 360 so why include) games compare, hopefully these tech demos are at least a indicative of future console visuals and effects.

seanmcloughlin

hmm..first of all I thought the demonstration only said for PS3? also...

what do you mean by, "Considering how more recent PS3 (snip: wasn't a demonstration for 360 it shouldn't be compaired here) games compare"?

Are you saying that what SE showed on PS3 wasn't possible, or that SE simply didn't do it with any of their games?

He meant that when the FFVII thing was shown it looked too good to be true and now that we are almost at the end of the PS3 gen the current games actually look a lot better. So he's hoping that next gen the tech demos shown can be achieved or at least come close.

That's what I got from what he said anyway. No need to spam lots of pics

This, "...hopefully these tech demos are at least a indicative of future console visuals and effects." portion of his post doesn't seem to convey that message . That's the reason I posted the pics to address what he seemed to believe was a false representation of what was possible from the demo. The last of us and GOW:A is going to be even more to add to that list.

It is sad that only PS3 exclusive devs were able to tap that power, but ultamately, it was indeed a fair representation of what could be acheived on the hardware. If he had only mentioned Square Enix not living up the the demos they showed and not the console itself, I wouldn't have objected.

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Peronally I liked the feel of Square's demo more. Especially if they can make it look exactly like that in next-gen platforms.

However, Unreal 4 looks pretty good aswell! I like how the Elemental demo looks almost like a Blizzard CGI in real-time :D And this will be the engine of choice for many games next-gen along CryEngine 3. Overall I think we are well served for next-gen :P

seanmcloughlin

The thing people keep forgetting is they said these demos were running on high end PCs with powerful GPUs. The UE4 one was on a 680 and we don't know what the FF one was on but maybe something similar. But consoles next gen can't afford those kinds of GPUs and still make the console affordable for the average customer. So it's still up in the air as to how they will look on next gen.

I'm still annoyed that we're waiting for consoles to come out before we can see this stuff when it's already right there working on PC parts.

what you are saying in this post is very true. :P but hermits have to accept the fact that the consoles are the products that drive the game market.

Next gen doesn't start until consoles say so. but yeah we don't konw how all these amazing demos will translate to next gen console hardware considering what they are using for these demonstrations is likely to be many times more powerful.

Here's the difference between the FF7 tech demo and the new FF tech demo.

When FF7 tech demo was shown, the graphics in the demo was already present on PC 2 years before the demo, and a reasonably decent PC was capable of displaying graphics like that. A couple years later Crysis 1 released and destroyed everything else in terms of graphical fidelity for many years to come. Another thing to note is that when 360/PS3 launched, they were using "close to" the top of the line GPU around the time of their release, this is less so in the case of PS3, but Cell was able to compensate to some degree. 360's price was around the price of its PC-equivalent GPU, while PS3 was a bit more expensive due to Cell.

What has been shown in the new FF tech demo can only be achieved by top of the line PC hardware (still off the shelf, but very high-end). So, is it possible for the next gen consoles to have great graphics? Of course, it's all about the hardware, so if the next gen consoles indeed get equivalents of the top of line hardware currently available on PC, then without a doubt the tech demo will become a console reality. The problem though is the price.

Since Wii-U is on the verge of release, and we have both information on its specs and price, it will be in Microsoft's and Sony's interest to compete against that price. Yet it's virtually impossible to stay close to the Wii-U price while offering significantly superior hardware, unless Microsoft/Sony like to make even larger losses on hardware sale. Here's my predication for next-gen console: 720p + 60 fps + UC3 graphics or 720p + 30 fps + Crysis graphics

Here's the difference between the FF7 tech demo and the new FF tech demo.

When FF7 tech demo was shown, the graphics in the demo was already present on PC 2 years before the demo, and a reasonably decent PC was capable of displaying graphics like that. A couple years later Crysis 1 released and destroyed everything else in terms of graphical fidelity for many years to come. Another thing to note is that when 360/PS3 launched, they were using "close to" the top of the line GPU around the time of their release, this is less so in the case of PS3, but Cell was able to compensate to some degree. 360's price was around the price of its PC-equivalent GPU, while PS3 was a bit more expensive due to Cell.

What has been shown in the new FF tech demo can only be achieved by top of the line PC hardware (still off the shelf, but very high-end). So, is it possible for the next gen consoles to have great graphics? Of course, it's all about the hardware, so if the next gen consoles indeed get equivalents of the top of line hardware currently available on PC, then without a doubt the tech demo will become a console reality. The problem though is the price.

Since Wii-U is on the verge of release, and we have both information on its specs and price, it will be in Microsoft's and Sony's interest to compete against that price. Yet it's virtually impossible to stay close to the Wii-U price while offering significantly superior hardware, unless Microsoft/Sony like to make even larger losses on hardware sale. Here's my predication for next-gen console: 720p + 60 fps + UC3 graphics or 720p + 30 fps + Crysis graphics

GhoX

I think you are undercutting just a little bit too thin here. Even wii U should be capable of pulling of what you have here. Both MS and Sony's next offerings should be extreemely competitive as far a graphics go even with less powerful hardware than the top of the line stuff do to optimization of dedicated hardware.

Honestly going by old console specs of this generation games like UC3 and GOW shouldn't even be possible graphically but being a closed box is in some ways a huge benifit to console development...everything can be pushed to the max.

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Peronally I liked the feel of Square's demo more. Especially if they can make it look exactly like that in next-gen platforms.

However, Unreal 4 looks pretty good aswell! I like how the Elemental demo looks almost like a Blizzard CGI in real-time :D And this will be the engine of choice for many games next-gen along CryEngine 3. Overall I think we are well served for next-gen :P

casharmy

The thing people keep forgetting is they said these demos were running on high end PCs with powerful GPUs. The UE4 one was on a 680 and we don't know what the FF one was on but maybe something similar. But consoles next gen can't afford those kinds of GPUs and still make the console affordable for the average customer. So it's still up in the air as to how they will look on next gen.

I'm still annoyed that we're waiting for consoles to come out before we can see this stuff when it's already right there working on PC parts.

what you are saying in this post is very true. :P but hermits have to accept the fact that the consoles are the products that drive the game market.

Next gen doesn't start until consoles say so. but yeah we don't konw how all these amazing demos will translate to next gen console hardware considering what they are using for these demonstrations is likely to be many times more powerful.

Most PC gamers are well aware of how much sway the console market has over gaming overall. They just don't like it

Even console guys have to be a bit bummed about that too though that there is tech out that can do this stuff exactly like that in games but we are still not seeing it in modern games. Imagine (In a perfect world) if everyone had GTX 680 machines and a good CPU what the graphics of modern games could look like. You could have been playing those visuals before now even.

But hey, it is what it is I guess. have to have affordability too. I think the 360 and PS3 should both have super GPUs next gen :P

Well, of course Luminous looked better, but I'd say that the Unreal Engine 4 demo was displaying a much more realistic view of what next gen consoles will be able to do.

Grovilis

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Well, of course Luminous looked better, but I'd say that the Unreal Engine 4 demo was displaying a much more realistic view of what next gen consoles will be able to do.

MercenaryMafia

yep

this is a fair assumption. Seen as the UE4 one had some dodgy textures it seems like it's far more realistic. The FF one was more trying to show off the limit of the visuals the engine can do. Not really realistic considering just how much was going on.

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Someone posted this old Square-Enix FF7 tech demo on gaf.

Considering how more recent PS3 (snip: wasn't a demonstration for 360 so why include) games compare, hopefully these tech demos are at least a indicative of future console visuals and effects.

casharmy

hmm..first of all I thought the demonstration only said for PS3? also...

FFVII demo...

KZ2

UC2

GOW3

KZ3

UC3

what do you mean by, "Considering how more recent PS3 (snip: wasn't a demonstration for 360 it shouldn't be compaired here) games compare"?

Are you saying that what SE showed on PS3 wasn't possible, or that SE simply didn't do it with any of their games?