This is the difference between MS's game division and sony

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#1 SmartGuy2211
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Whenever you look at game comparison lists sony always seems to look rather good, and so far, well, let's just say they aren't as good as their looks.

But ever wonder why?

Ever notice that the hyped games for the ps3 side have been the same since this gen started almost? GT5 is still there, KZ2, FF13 (multiplat, but in this context it applies), FFV13, and whatever else.

Now I'm not saying they don't release games, that's just dumb.
What I am trying to say is this, essentially. I'll just compare what we'd call the major FPSs for each console.

Killzone 2 Annoucnement- May 2005

Halo 3 Announcement-- June 2006

Halo 3 Release- September 2007

Halo: Keep it Clean Announcement- September 2008

Halo: Keep it Clean Release- January 2009

Killzone 2 Release- February 2009

Get it?

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#2 Floppy_Jim
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Aside from KZ2 and GT5, what 1st party PS3 games have literally taken years to come out? I mean, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and Siren were all revealed this year and they're all coming out this year.
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Aside from KZ2 and GT5, what 1st party PS3 games have literally taken years to come out? I mean, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and Siren were all revealed this year and they're all coming out this year.Floppy_Jim
god of war 3 and MAG come to mind..
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Aside from KZ2 and GT5, what 1st party PS3 games have literally taken years to come out? I mean, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and Siren were all revealed this year and they're all coming out this year.hopesfall2own
god of war 3 and MAG come to mind..

They were both revealed 2 months ago and they're both set for a 2009 release.

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[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Aside from KZ2 and GT5, what 1st party PS3 games have literally taken years to come out? I mean, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and Siren were all revealed this year and they're all coming out this year.Floppy_Jim

god of war 3 and MAG come to mind..

They were both revealed 2 months ago and they're both set for a 2009 release.

depends what part of 2009. July 08 announcement and december 09 release isn't exactly speedy. Just depends.
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#6 SmartGuy2211
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- Killzone 2

- GT5

- GOW3 (in reality announced just 2 months after gow2)

- FF Vs. 13

- Infamous

- White Knight Chronicles

- Heavy Rain

that's 5 titles that took forever. MGS4 was announced in 05? and came out in 08 so again we pretty much saw the whole dev cycle

MS's game division seems to be announcing titles and shipping them within 6 months

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#7 pyromaniac223
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Yeah, this is basically the trend. This is how, at the end of 07, cows were saying how the PS3 had a great lineup while the 360 has literally no games, but then that ended up not being true. They are making the same mistake this year. MS waits until the game nears completion to announce it.
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#8 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Aside from KZ2 and GT5, what 1st party PS3 games have literally taken years to come out? I mean, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and Siren were all revealed this year and they're all coming out this year.hopesfall2own

god of war 3 and MAG come to mind..

They were both revealed 2 months ago and they're both set for a 2009 release.

depends what part of 2009. July 08 announcement and december 09 release isn't exactly speedy. Just depends.

Isn't speedy? You want crappy games?

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#9 Floppy_Jim
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well as you mentioned, killzone 2 and gt5

but here:

- GOW3 (in reality announced just 2 months after gow2)

- FF Vs. 13

- Infamous

- White Knight Chronicles

that's 5 titles that took forever. MGS4 was announced in 05? and came out in 08 so again we pretty much saw the whole dev cycle

MS's game division seems to be announcing titles and shipping them within 6 months

SmartGuy2211

If Fable 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Huxley, Halo Wars and Alan Wake didn't exist you may have a point.

GoW 3 wasn't officially confirmed until E3 and that's what counts. Anything before then was just rumours. I agree about WKC though, that game is taking years. I think Sony have learned their lesson about showing off games years before they release.

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#10 Floppy_Jim
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Aside from KZ2 and GT5, what 1st party PS3 games have literally taken years to come out? I mean, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and Siren were all revealed this year and they're all coming out this year.hopesfall2own

god of war 3 and MAG come to mind..

They were both revealed 2 months ago and they're both set for a 2009 release.

depends what part of 2009. July 08 announcement and december 09 release isn't exactly speedy. Just depends.

Assuming both games make it before Dec 2009, that's just under 18 months since they were revealed, that's not too bad.

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#11 kinjo13
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Is it really so bad to know what games are going to come out with more advanced notice. The thing that bothers me is when you promise a game and it keeps getting moved to a later date, but if there are no broken promises I have no problem.
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#12 SmartGuy2211
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Yeah, this is basically the trend. This is how, at the end of 07, cows were saying how the PS3 had a great lineup while the 360 has literally no games, but then that ended up not being true. They are making the same mistake this year. MS waits until the game nears completion to announce it.pyromaniac223

And in reality that crazy 2007 lineup spanned over 3 years

what if we did that to the 360, just including this year, next year, and last year

- Lost Odyssey

- Blue Dragon

- Halo 3

- Halo: KiC

- Halo Wars

- Halo Chronicles

- Forza

- Bioshock (it is exclusive, but think about the point- this is almost a versus 13)

- Tales of Vesperia

- Ninja Blade

- PGR

- Star Ocean 4

- Fable 2

- Banjo kazooie: Nuts and Bolts

- Ninja Gaiden 2

i know im missing a pretty good amount, but its the point

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#13 surrealnumber5
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so if we take zelda games out of nintendo the rate that games came out ofter being announced would go

nity (quickest)---------------microsoft---------------sony(slowest)

dang if this were politics i would be a microsoft man

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Oh God more Gaylo...:roll:
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#15 SolidTy
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TC, this happens with all companies, and both companies have timely releases as wel.

You pointed out EARLY M$ TITLES, and LATE SONY TITLES, so let me reverse that.

Sony On TIME= Uncharted, Ratchet, Resistance, Motorstorm, etc.

M$ late to the party = Alan Wake, Spinter Cell, Too Human, Fable 2, etc.

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#16 W1NGMAN-
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TC, this happens with all companies, and both companies have timely releases as wel.

You pointed out EARLY M$ TITLES, and LATE SONY TITLES, so let me reverse that.

Sony On TIME= Uncharted, Ratchet, Resistance, Motorstorm, etc.

M$ late to the party = Alan Wake, Spinter Cell, Too Human, Fable 2, etc.

SolidTy

I knew I wouldn't have to respond to the TCs post since I saw your name, and knew I could just quote you.

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Isn't speedy? You want crappy games? Ragnarok1051
I don't think they'd be crappy. Unless the developer is crappy.
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#18 spike6566
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Aside from KZ2 and GT5, what 1st party PS3 games have literally taken years to come out? I mean, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and Siren were all revealed this year and they're all coming out this year.hopesfall2own
god of war 3 and MAG come to mind..

lmao they where revealed at E3 which was like what 3months ago. dont be jealous because you cant play Mag or God of War 3.
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#19 DeadMan1290
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what if we did that to the 360, just including this year, next year, and last year

- Lost Odyssey

- Blue Dragon

- Halo 3

- Halo: KiC

- Halo Wars

- Halo Chronicles

- Forza

- Bioshock (it is exclusive, but think about the point- this is almost a versus 13)

- Tales of Vesperia

- Ninja Blade

- PGR

- Star Ocean 4

- Fable 2

- Banjo kazooie: Nuts and Bolts

- Ninja Gaiden 2

i know im missing a pretty good amount, but its the point

SmartGuy2211
That list is getting too big and I don't like it when companies start doing this with good games.
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#20 naruto7777
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well there both respectable game comapanies but ms does more for the world
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#21 GreyFoXX4
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PS3 hasn't even been out for 2 years guys lol. Also has anyone ever heard of a minute man before? lol And actually that is what the 360 is a minute man, its all done before you had time to enjoy it lol.

Also hate to say it but some of the 360 games I've had a chance to play wasn't very polished. So I would rather wait on a game than play one that had broken gameplay elements in it. I have yet to come across atleast any of my ps3 games that had broken gameplay elements in it or didn't feel polished ie: laggy menu screens, bad voice work, getting stuck on objects or even unseen objects lol. I think I have about 6 or 7 ps3 exclusives and none of them had a place that I couldn't progress because of broken gameplay issues.

So once again I would rather have a great game that works than to have a game that still feels like a beta any day of the week.

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#22 Ace132
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Too human-10 years of development XD
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#24 Snugenz
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PS3 hasn't even been out for 2 years guys lol. Also has anyone ever heard of a minute man before? lol And actually that is what the 360 is a minute man, its all done before you had time to enjoy it lol.

GreyFoXX4

So thats why argueably the amount of time people have spent playing Halo 3 is probably more time than people have spent playing all of the PS3's exclusive games put together ?.

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#25 WilliamRLBaker
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The only differene i see is that microsoft is open about buying developers, sony just does it underhandedly and secretly.
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#26 jg4xchamp
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Huxley
Alan Wake
TOo Human
Halo Wars

yeah microsoft never takes forever....never

All publishers have projects still in development that we heard about years ago....So please don't argue over something that isn't exclusive to just 1 party.
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#27 asylumni
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TC, you're link to the Halo 3 announcement seems to go to MS cancelling Bungie's announcement at this year's E3. Perhaps this is what you were looking for? It also seems you were bit off on the date as well, since this is from May 2005.
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#28 Riverwolf007
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Google up some info on Sun Tzu and you will see the difference between what Sony does and what MS does.

When you are weak you give the impression of strength and that's what Sony has always done.

While MS did the actual work to shore up the weaknesses they had, for example J-rpgs, Sonys GTA exclusivity, getting stalwart Sony 3rd party games like Ace Combat 6 ect ect... Sony made it look like they were shoring up the weaknesses they had while never reallly getting anything done for example online inititive with Home and better FPS games with KZ2.

It's all standard Japanese buisness practices, like I said before if you want to see the Sony playbook read Sun Tzu's Art of War.

I don't blame Sony for doing it people fall for it hook line and sinker so why not take advantage of the gullibility?

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#29 espoac
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Is this thread supposed to imply that the 360's current 2009 lineup which is meager at best, is going to dramatically improve? People always say MS announces holiday games at the beginning of their respective years. However, this really isn't true. The only major 2008 360 exclusive we didn't know about this time last year was Gears 2 and even then we all pretty much figured it was coming. As it stands the only games I'd expect to show up without a doubt for 360 exclusively next year are Star Ocean, Halo Wars, Ninja Blade and Forza 3. Bungie's next project goes in the maybe category. And somehow in lemming's minds this is supposed to compare to Infamous, GT5, Killzone 2, White Knight, Heavy Rain, Tekken6 & MAG.