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#1 akuma303x
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ok i just got done with the GT HD 1.1 download. it is a great demo. ( best demo ever really for consoles ) but it is not as impressive as i thought it would be. the graphics are not as nice as the cows have led on. yes it is pretty. yes im running it at 1080p ( off a westy lvm - 37w3 ) AND IT IS CRISP LOOKING. I MEAN IT LOOKS CRISP. more than any 360 game ive played. but it lacks detail. yes thats right. detail. the cars are the only good looking thing. the mountains look faded, and the buildings and crowd seem, well , half-aszed. the reflections on the cars could use better textures and the ground looks horrible. but it is the first 1080p racer on consoles. and it is pretty. i think PGR3 has it beat for now. cause it is all around beautiful. the cars will kill PGR4 though, from gt5. I hope GT5 turns up in better shape. but if hd is a taste, GT5 will be a whole damn buffet!
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#2 MichaelSoft
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whats PGR4.. and btw it's only a demo i dont think it'd come out until like what? late 09 maybe.. GT is always delayed trust me.
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best demo ever = dead rising. graphics aren't everything.... o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.
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#4 Kahuna_1
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It is a scrapped tech demo, it looks great for being that..am I the only one who likes how the gravel meets the grass on the road?

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whats PGR4.. and btw it's only a demo i dont think it'd come out until like what? late 09 maybe.. GT is always delayed trust me.MichaelSoft

more like late 08...it didnt take 3 years for GT3 to come out

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#6 akuma303x
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whats PGR4.. and btw it's only a demo i dont think it'd come out until like what? late 09 maybe.. GT is always delayed trust me.MichaelSoft
i need to see PGR4 in action. if it keeps the backdrops and improves on it's cars, PGR4 will be hard to beat. But 09 is far away. are you sure it's 09 for gt5?
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#7 akuma303x
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best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.El_Fanboy
forza is the king simulator. no argument. But we all know opinion is not fact. and the best is an opinion. including all forms of it, even king. i think PGR is a much better series.
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#8 GermanShepard06
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dude, thats a ps2 game you playing with better resolution.

just wait until you see the real GT5.

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dude, thats a ps2 game you playing with better resolution.

just wait until you see the real GT5.

GermanShepard06
i agree. imagine if all ps2 games looked that good when you played them in the ps3. im still not on either side for best graphical capabilities yet. both will do battle for a while on that one.
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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.akuma303x
forza is the king simulator. no argument. But we all know opinion is not fact. and the best is an opinion. including all forms of it, even king. i think PGR is a much better series.

wow i have no words for that forza king commmment. gthd is just the gt3/gt4 engine gt5 will be better than forza2 im willin to bet money
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#11 tool_rage
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I know how you feel.  People posting all these photos taken from a HDTV playing GTHD make it look incredible.  When you actually play it, the graphics are really quite average.

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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising. graphics aren't everything.... o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.

10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:
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#13 _GOAT_
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[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

dude, thats a ps2 game you playing with better resolution.

just wait until you see the real GT5.

akuma303x
i agree. imagine if all ps2 games looked that good when you played them in the ps3. im still not on either side for best graphical capabilities yet. both will do battle for a while on that one.

so why are you complaining about a tech demo built off a ps2 engine again ? it still beats the hell outta forza 2 car models without question and the game was just slapped together
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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers._GOAT_

10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction

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Yeah it looks like an HD version of GT4, which is exactly what it is and was intended to be. The cars look great but the tracks are meh. I thought the 3d mountains looked really good though. This is just a taste of GT in HD and GT5 is going to be a whole hell of a lot better I would think.
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[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.tacubano


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction

Great comment right there.
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[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.tacubano


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction


yeah have fun selling a wide variety meaning about half the amount of cars GT5 will have lol. he called it the king when part 2 wasnt out yet so no he means part 1 cus he obviously hasnt played 2. and if 2 is good and does better sales than the lackluster part 1 sales we will wait for GT5 and see the real king come back again cus we all know it will blow forza 2 outta the water, quote me i could care less. but lemmings wont quote cus they know its true just as much as anyone else on the planet.cus lemmings are scared just admit it cmon :lol:
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[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.tacubano


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction

Forza is too rice for my taste I like racing games like F1 and GTR2, not messing around with 100 layer hello kitty cars with crazy body kits. 

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[QUOTE="tacubano"]

[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.ChiChiMonKilla


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction

Forza is too rice for my taste I like racing games like F1 and GTR2, not messing around with 100 layer hello kitty cars with crazy body kits. 

seriously how about more cars instead of more stickers, you cant drive stickers lol, polyphony would have more time to concentrate on mundane stuff like stickers too if they werent too busy making physics and models for more real world cars.
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#20 purplemidgets
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dude, thats a ps2 game you playing with better resolution.

just wait until you see the real GT5.

GermanShepard06

 

Actually, it isn't. GT:HD is built from the ground up.  

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ok i just got done with the GT HD 1.1 download. it is a great demo. ( best demo ever really for consoles ) but it is not as impressive as i thought it would be. the graphics are not as nice as the cows have led on. yes it is pretty. yes im running it at 1080p ( off a westy lvm - 37w3 ) AND IT IS CRISP LOOKING. I MEAN IT LOOKS CRISP. more than any 360 game ive played. but it lacks detail. yes thats right. detail. the cars are the only good looking thing. the mountains look faded, and the buildings and crowd seem, well , half-aszed. the reflections on the cars could use better textures and the ground looks horrible. but it is the first 1080p racer on consoles. and it is pretty. i think PGR3 has it beat for now. cause it is all around beautiful. the cars will kill PGR4 though, from gt5. I hope GT5 turns up in better shape. but if hd is a taste, GT5 will be a whole damn buffet!akuma303x

GTHD was basically a taste of GT4 in HD. GT5 will be far better. 

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[QUOTE="tacubano"]

[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers._GOAT_


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction


yeah have fun selling a wide variety meaning about half the amount of cars GT5 will have lol. he called it the king when part 2 wasnt out yet so no he means part 1 cus he obviously hasnt played 2. and if 2 is good and does better sales than the lackluster part 1 sales we will wait for GT5 and see the real king come back again cus we all know it will blow forza 2 outta the water, quote me i could care less. but lemmings wont quote cus they know its true just as much as anyone else on the planet.cus lemmings are scared just admit it cmon :lol:

what will GT5 be??!?? just another racer with pretty graphics.....what is Forza 2 offering....a complete new game centered around a community of car lovers..and the other stuff i just posted. Plus GT5 can have the same number of cars as Forza since u can download new cars for both systems....gameplay over graphics..

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[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="tacubano"]

[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers._GOAT_


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction

Forza is too rice for my taste I like racing games like F1 and GTR2, not messing around with 100 layer hello kitty cars with crazy body kits.


seriously how about more cars instead of more stickers, you cant drive stickers lol, polyphony would have more time to concentrate on mundane stuff like stickers too if they werent too busy making physics and models for more real world cars.

Yea I like driving cars not painting them or being forced to add stupid looking wings to my cars. Forza is supposed to be a driving sim and it's like ms is trying to cater to arcade racers with all the crap they are putting into forza 2.

How about more cars and a in car view for the new wheel ??

How about making drivers earn their license so i won't keep getting rear ended by noobs on live or at least a driving tutorial ??

How about more tracks and real time tuning on a dyno so I can adjust the torque band to fit my gears better ??

You know stuff drivers care about like motec and independent suspension adjustment.

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ok i just got done with the GT HD 1.1 download. it is a great demo. ( best demo ever really for consoles ) but it is not as impressive as i thought it would be. the graphics are not as nice as the cows have led on. yes it is pretty. yes im running it at 1080p ( off a westy lvm - 37w3 ) AND IT IS CRISP LOOKING. I MEAN IT LOOKS CRISP. more than any 360 game ive played. but it lacks detail. yes thats right. detail. the cars are the only good looking thing. the mountains look faded, and the buildings and crowd seem, well , half-aszed. the reflections on the cars could use better textures and the ground looks horrible. but it is the first 1080p racer on consoles. and it is pretty. i think PGR3 has it beat for now. cause it is all around beautiful. the cars will kill PGR4 though, from gt5. I hope GT5 turns up in better shape. but if hd is a taste, GT5 will be a whole damn buffet!akuma303x

That's right, a whole buffet.

BTW, your avatar, ROFL!!!!  I cannot believe that silly raccoon! 

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ok i just got done with the GT HD 1.1 download. it is a great demo. ( best demo ever really for consoles ) but it is not as impressive as i thought it would be. the graphics are not as nice as the cows have led on. yes it is pretty. yes im running it at 1080p ( off a westy lvm - 37w3 ) AND IT IS CRISP LOOKING. I MEAN IT LOOKS CRISP. more than any 360 game ive played. but it lacks detail. yes thats right. detail. the cars are the only good looking thing. the mountains look faded, and the buildings and crowd seem, well , half-aszed. the reflections on the cars could use better textures and the ground looks horrible. but it is the first 1080p racer on consoles. and it is pretty. i think PGR3 has it beat for now. cause it is all around beautiful. the cars will kill PGR4 though, from gt5. I hope GT5 turns up in better shape. but if hd is a taste, GT5 will be a whole damn buffet!akuma303x
I havent played GT HD, but I have seen the pics and agree with some of this. The Cars look brilliant, but the static backgrounds is less than impressive. But I wouldnt go as far as to say it looks better than PGR3, PGR3 looks like a glorified Xbox1 game and not much else (Based on the demo)
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[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="tacubano"]

[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.ChiChiMonKilla


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction

Forza is too rice for my taste I like racing games like F1 and GTR2, not messing around with 100 layer hello kitty cars with crazy body kits.


seriously how about more cars instead of more stickers, you cant drive stickers lol, polyphony would have more time to concentrate on mundane stuff like stickers too if they werent too busy making physics and models for more real world cars.

Yea I like driving cars not painting them or being forced to add stupid looking wings to my cars. Forza is supposed to be a driving sim and it's like ms is trying to cater to arcade racers with all the crap they are putting into forza 2.

How about more cars and a in car view for the new wheel ??

How about making drivers earn their license so i won't keep getting rear ended by noobs on live or at least a driving tutorial ??

How about more tracks and real time tuning on a dyno so I can adjust the torque band to fit my gears better ??

You know stuff drivers care about like motec and independent suspension adjustment.

thats what im talking about, this is why the real racer enthusiasts chose GT4 over forza, forza makes it too easy for you its for noobs, they do all the adjusting for you on GT you have to take off the driver aid urself to be able to drift and adjust the suspension etc. kinda like in real lief, in forza they noob it up for everyone.
[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="tacubano"]

[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.tacubano


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction


yeah have fun selling a wide variety meaning about half the amount of cars GT5 will have lol. he called it the king when part 2 wasnt out yet so no he means part 1 cus he obviously hasnt played 2. and if 2 is good and does better sales than the lackluster part 1 sales we will wait for GT5 and see the real king come back again cus we all know it will blow forza 2 outta the water, quote me i could care less. but lemmings wont quote cus they know its true just as much as anyone else on the planet.cus lemmings are scared just admit it cmon :lol:

what will GT5 be??!?? just another racer with pretty graphics.....what is Forza 2 offering....a complete new game centered around a community of car lovers..and the other stuff i just posted. Plus GT5 can have the same number of cars as Forza since u can download new cars for both systems....gameplay over graphics..

who says they wont add improvements to GT5 ? yeah quote me if you arent scared, but you obviously are cus you know it will be better than forza 2, criterion just announced they will be concentrating more on the ps3 version of burnout 5 cus they can have better AI and physics and more effects.and no they will never have more or the same amount of cars they dont have the relationships with the car companies that polyphony and sony has. so in other words you are owned.
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[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="tacubano"]

[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers._GOAT_


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction

Forza is too rice for my taste I like racing games like F1 and GTR2, not messing around with 100 layer hello kitty cars with crazy body kits.


seriously how about more cars instead of more stickers, you cant drive stickers lol, polyphony would have more time to concentrate on mundane stuff like stickers too if they werent too busy making physics and models for more real world cars.

Yea I like driving cars not painting them or being forced to add stupid looking wings to my cars. Forza is supposed to be a driving sim and it's like ms is trying to cater to arcade racers with all the crap they are putting into forza 2.

How about more cars and a in car view for the new wheel ??

How about making drivers earn their license so i won't keep getting rear ended by noobs on live or at least a driving tutorial ??

How about more tracks and real time tuning on a dyno so I can adjust the torque band to fit my gears better ??

You know stuff drivers care about like motec and independent suspension adjustment.


thats what im talking about, this is why the real racer enthusiasts chose GT4 over forza, forza makes it too easy for you its for noobs, they do all the adjusting for you on GT you have to take off the driver aid urself to be able to drift and adjust the suspension etc. kinda like in real lief, in forza they noob it up for everyone.
[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="tacubano"]

[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.tacubano


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction


yeah have fun selling a wide variety meaning about half the amount of cars GT5 will have lol. he called it the king when part 2 wasnt out yet so no he means part 1 cus he obviously hasnt played 2. and if 2 is good and does better sales than the lackluster part 1 sales we will wait for GT5 and see the real king come back again cus we all know it will blow forza 2 outta the water, quote me i could care less. but lemmings wont quote cus they know its true just as much as anyone else on the planet.cus lemmings are scared just admit it cmon :lol:

what will GT5 be??!?? just another racer with pretty graphics.....what is Forza 2 offering....a complete new game centered around a community of car lovers..and the other stuff i just posted. Plus GT5 can have the same number of cars as Forza since u can download new cars for both systems....gameplay over graphics..


who says they wont add improvements to GT5 ? yeah quote me if you arent scared, but you obviously are cus you know it will be better than forza 2, criterion just announced they will be concentrating more on the ps3 version of burnout 5 cus they can have better AI and physics and more effects.and no they will never have more or the same amount of cars they dont have the relationships with the car companies that polyphony and sony has.

so in other words you are owned.

What improvements have they added through out GT 1 to 4!?!?!?

better graphics...

more cars...

new tracks?..

Forza is doing more way more than that....and it reaches a greater audience since u have the options of playing at like NFS paiting ur car and stuff or just tunning it like GT

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[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="tacubano"]

[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.tacubano


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction

Forza is too rice for my taste I like racing games like F1 and GTR2, not messing around with 100 layer hello kitty cars with crazy body kits.


seriously how about more cars instead of more stickers, you cant drive stickers lol, polyphony would have more time to concentrate on mundane stuff like stickers too if they werent too busy making physics and models for more real world cars.

Yea I like driving cars not painting them or being forced to add stupid looking wings to my cars. Forza is supposed to be a driving sim and it's like ms is trying to cater to arcade racers with all the crap they are putting into forza 2.

How about more cars and a in car view for the new wheel ??

How about making drivers earn their license so i won't keep getting rear ended by noobs on live or at least a driving tutorial ??

How about more tracks and real time tuning on a dyno so I can adjust the torque band to fit my gears better ??

You know stuff drivers care about like motec and independent suspension adjustment.


thats what im talking about, this is why the real racer enthusiasts chose GT4 over forza, forza makes it too easy for you its for noobs, they do all the adjusting for you on GT you have to take off the driver aid urself to be able to drift and adjust the suspension etc. kinda like in real lief, in forza they noob it up for everyone.
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[QUOTE="_GOAT_"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]best demo ever = dead rising.

graphics aren't everything....

o and havent you got the memo, Forza is the new king of console racers.tacubano


10million sold > 1 million, you are owned :lol:

NEW meaning JUST NOW...not last gen...he is talking bout all the announcements bout Forza 2....how the AI drivers think for themselves and learn from how u drive.....the whole community/auction/car dealership things...stuff that no racer has ever seen.....this is a step on a right direction


yeah have fun selling a wide variety meaning about half the amount of cars GT5 will have lol. he called it the king when part 2 wasnt out yet so no he means part 1 cus he obviously hasnt played 2. and if 2 is good and does better sales than the lackluster part 1 sales we will wait for GT5 and see the real king come back again cus we all know it will blow forza 2 outta the water, quote me i could care less. but lemmings wont quote cus they know its true just as much as anyone else on the planet.cus lemmings are scared just admit it cmon :lol:

what will GT5 be??!?? just another racer with pretty graphics.....what is Forza 2 offering....a complete new game centered around a community of car lovers..and the other stuff i just posted. Plus GT5 can have the same number of cars as Forza since u can download new cars for both systems....gameplay over graphics..


who says they wont add improvements to GT5 ? yeah quote me if you arent scared, but you obviously are cus you know it will be better than forza 2, criterion just announced they will be concentrating more on the ps3 version of burnout 5 cus they can have better AI and physics and more effects.and no they will never have more or the same amount of cars they dont have the relationships with the car companies that polyphony and sony has.

so in other words you are owned.

What improvements have they added through out GT 1 to 4!?!?!?

better graphics...

more cars...

new tracks?..

Forza is doing more way more than that....and it reaches a greater audience since u have the options of playing at like NFS paiting ur car and stuff or just tunning it like GT

the reason alot of stuff was not in gt4 was cuz the ps2 could not do alot of things like damage right . all i care about is drifting with my wheel gt4 drifyings was much better than forza .