This is why I disregard Jeff Gerstmann's opinion.

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#1 Killer_Wuggles
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Ok, people here on GameSpot seem to routinely hate Jeff Gerstmann. There are also, however, people that seem to stick up for him and say that his opinion is his own and it should be respected. Often when there is rebuttal from the opposing side, the Jeff Gerstmann-fans respond with "Oh, you're a fanboy", or "Sheep are still stingy about the Zelda review".

I'm here today to say that his journalism is God-Awful. This isn't because I hate him for giving Zelda: Twilight Princess a bad score, or because I'm just a Wii-owner. The man just doesn't give solid reasons on why he gave games less-than phenomenal reviews. He is extremely nit-picky and often at times he gives games less-than favorable reviews just because of such tiny things like "the music is too dated" or "this game is short".

Let me bring you up to speed here: In 1998, Mr. Gerstmann reviewed Metal Gear Solid for the Playstation. Metal Gear Solid was considered by critics and fans alike as the greatest PS1 game of all time, if not one of the best games ever. When Jeff reviewed it, he gave the game the score of an 8.5. Now, this isn't bad at all, but why didn't Jeff give the game a 9.0 at least? "Oh, it's too short" he says. "Once you skip the cutscenes and know exactly what to do, you can run through the game in three hours or less", the front-page review comment says. Note that he says "Once you know exactly what to do". This implies you have played the game before; "Once you skip the cutscenes", he says, and the cutscenes are major part of the game (as with all Metal Gear titles). If you're playing through the game once, cutscenes and all, you're going to be looking at more than twelve hours of game time. This is how long it took me to beat the game, even on Normal mode. Instead of praising what the game is, Jeff bashes it because a pro can run through it in a short amount of time.

Later, in 2001, Mr. Gerstmann reviews Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 for the Playstation 2. All-around, it was a pretty solid PS2 title in the always-good Tony Hawk series. When Jeff reviewed it, he gave the game a perfect 10. This was the last game in GameSpot history to recieve a perfect score. When Jeff cited that Metal Gear Solid was a game that was short in length, he gives a Tony Hawk game, which is fairly short with repetitive objectives such as "collect all the letters" or the like, a gleaming review for being a game that will last you forever. It is utterly ridiculous that Mr. Gerstmann thinks that a next-generation offering of the PS1 Hawks is of more quality than Metal Gear Solid, a game that was favored for blending cinematic quality with great gameplay. It's easy to sum up Jeff's opinion on Hawk as "ridiculous".

Fast-forward five years to the launch of the Wii. One title stood out as being a must-have (and possibly one of the best launch titles ever): The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Since its inital revealing in 2005, the gaming world was full of excitement when they learned that the game would feature a darker, more edgy feel and an Ocarina of Time-style adult Link. Better yet, the game would take full advantage of the Wii's motion sensing controls, so for the first time ever, you really could slay moblins with your controller. When Jeff picked up the game, he instead talked about how the game's presentation felt "stuck in the past", where the music is too nostalgic, to the point of being "dated". Did he ever feel that Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3's presentation felt "stuck in the past", that it was simply a retread of the past Hawk franchises? Nope. He even mentions that the motion controls are innacurate, whereas critic and player testimonies can confirm that this isn't so. I own a Wii and Twilight Princess, and I for one can assure you that the motion controls work well, and are used more often in games like Super Mario Galaxy. Jeff also complains about how the game has no voice acting, but instead text-based dialogue. I will get back to this point later. The end-result was an 8.8, which was considered the most massive flop of this generation of gaming.

When Mr. Gerstmann reviewed Warioware: Smooth Moves, he gave it a glowing review, citing how it utilizes the Wii Remote's motion sensing abilites in fun and wacky ways. The score he awarded the game was a 9.1, and considering that essentially the Warioware series is comprised of small little mini-games, it's extremely embarrassing that he would think that mini-games are more impressive than full-fledged adventure titles. Not only that, but there is no solid voice-acting in Warioware. He whines about how Zelda has no voice acting, but here in Warioware, it's ok because these games are full of whimsy? Talk about unfair.

Soon after, Jeff left GameSpot for good. Some say it was because of his review of Kane and Lynch: Dead Men for the PS3 and Xbox 360, in which he gave the game a very poor score. GameSpot assures us that it had nothing to do with the review. Whatever the case may be, I for one am glad that Jeff Gerstmann is gone. He simply was an incompetent reviewer that focused more on what game could have been instead of what it is. His nitpicking tendencies have now headed to his new site, Giant Bomb, where he and Ryan Davis review games alone.

I'm not a Sheep that hates him for giving a Zelda game a bad review. I simply disregard his opinion because it is often nonsensical and nitpicky to an unfair extreme. His journalistic integrity is brought into question when he chooses to award skating games perfect scores, and decides that mini-games are more important than epic action-adventure titles. Jeff Gerstmann's dismissal was the best thing that happened to GameSpot in a long time.

Sorry about this wall of text rant, and if you read this whole thing, well, thanks, I guess. Any thoughts or comments?

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#2 yoshi_64
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disregard a review? a.k.a. opinion?
Well I disregard your post, it's utter rubbish.
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#3 crazycolt1234
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1. This should be in a blog 2. It Jeff's opinion about the games, and you dont have to believe him. 3. You really shouldnt judge a game by its numerical score but rather what the reviewer wrote about it. that has more value that the numerical rating.
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#4 Lionheart08
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So, bash on Jeff because he doesn't jump on the bandwagon and give a game a fantastic score like everyone else right?
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#5 tbone29
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This is why I disregard your opinion:

I generally disregard all opinions that aren't my own.

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Jeff lost his all of his credibility 6 years ago when he gave Majora's Mask an 8.3

Does anyone here honestly agree with that review?

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Twilight Princess was the worst zelda. Not counting the CDI games. It deserved a 9.0 tops. If anything he was the only one that gave a good review on it. It was the definition of rehahs. I usually defend Nintendo but come on TP was so dissappointing.
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Jeff lost his all of his credibility 6 years ago when he gave Majora's Mask an 8.3

Does anyone here honestly agree with that review?

sexy_chimp

Bitter much?

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Jeff lost his all of his credibility 6 years ago when he gave Majora's Mask an 8.3

Does anyone here honestly agree with that review?

sexy_chimp
What? that game was as good if not better than OOT. OOT seemed more polished though and was more jawdropping at the time.

ITs way better than TP.

GOd I want a proper Majoras Mask sequal.
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So, bash on Jeff because he doesn't jump on the bandwagon and give a game a fantastic score like everyone else right?Lionheart08

No, I tend to bash on him because his reviews are nonsensical, nitpicky, and ridiculous. I have read all of the reviews of the games I talked about, and all of them don't give a solid reason as to why the game recieved the score it recieved.

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#12 warmaster670
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a game being to short is a completely valid point, what are you smoking?
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Jeff lost his all of his credibility 6 years ago when he gave Majora's Mask an 8.3

Does anyone here honestly agree with that review?

sexy_chimp

I, too, think that Majora's Mask is an underrated Zelda game and is a better Zelda than OoT.

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a game being to short is a completely valid point, what are you smoking?warmaster670

Metal Gear Solid isn't short at all on your first play-through.

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#15 Killer_Wuggles
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Well Jeff disregards your post because he doesn't even know you exist.7CloudStrife7

And because he is a famous gaming journalist doesn't mean I can't write this post? I have no right to openly disagree with his ridiculous reviews?

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#16 Always-Honest
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i think he's very reasonable in his OPINION.
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]So, bash on Jeff because he doesn't jump on the bandwagon and give a game a fantastic score like everyone else right?Killer_Wuggles

No, I tend to bash on him because his reviews are nonsensical, nitpicky, and ridiculous. I have read all of the reviews of the games I talked about, and all of them don't give a solid reason as to why the game recieved the score it recieved.

Why should one man's opinion bother you so much though? Yeah I agree, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 getting a perfect score is laughable, but he does tend to give pretty accurate reviews. Personally, I prefer a more stricter reviewer, than a pushover who throws at AAA's just because it's a big name franchise.

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#18 II-FBIsniper-II
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And I disregard your opinion about Jeff's opinion, should I make a new topic about it?

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[QUOTE="warmaster670"]a game being to short is a completely valid point, what are you smoking?Killer_Wuggles

Metal Gear Solid isn't short at all on your first play-through.

Its not a hard game and is very linear. It takes 6-8 hours tops.
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I agree, his reviews were awful. I think it's just that there was a large number of Gertsmann fans whom were in love with the 'character' he played on this site.
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#21 Killer_Wuggles
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[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]So, bash on Jeff because he doesn't jump on the bandwagon and give a game a fantastic score like everyone else right?Lionheart08

No, I tend to bash on him because his reviews are nonsensical, nitpicky, and ridiculous. I have read all of the reviews of the games I talked about, and all of them don't give a solid reason as to why the game recieved the score it recieved.

Why should one man's opinion bother you so much though? Yeah I agree, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 getting a perfect score is laughable, but he does tend to give pretty accurate reviews. Personally, I prefer a more stricter reviewer, than a pushover who throws at AAA's just because it's a big name franchise.

Why shouldn't it bother me? Is it completely wrong to disagree with Jeff Gerstmann? His reviews aren't accurate at all. If he was a strict reviewer, he wouldn't give Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 a perfect 10, Warioware: Smooth Moves a 9.1, etc. The games he underrated are games I have played, and are deserving of an AAA score.

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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"][QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]So, bash on Jeff because he doesn't jump on the bandwagon and give a game a fantastic score like everyone else right?Killer_Wuggles

No, I tend to bash on him because his reviews are nonsensical, nitpicky, and ridiculous. I have read all of the reviews of the games I talked about, and all of them don't give a solid reason as to why the game recieved the score it recieved.

Why should one man's opinion bother you so much though? Yeah I agree, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 getting a perfect score is laughable, but he does tend to give pretty accurate reviews. Personally, I prefer a more stricter reviewer, than a pushover who throws at AAA's just because it's a big name franchise.

Why shouldn't it bother me? Is it completely wrong to disagree with Jeff Gerstmann? His reviews aren't accurate at all. If he was a strict reviewer, he wouldn't give Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 a perfect 10, Warioware: Smooth Moves a 9.1, etc. The games he underrated are games I have played, and are deserving of an AAA score.

I never said it was wrong to disagree with Gerstmann. But he's just one opinion versus all of the other opinions that gave those games AAAs.

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What you don't understand is that Gamespot never meant for it's scores to be compared directly like that. When Jeff gave Tony Hawk a perfect ten he wasn't saying that it's one of the greatest games of all time, he's saying that, as a skateboarding game, there was no concievable way for it to be improved on at the time. He's not saying it's a better game than Metal Gear Solid, or any other game for that matter.

As for Twilight Princess, I happen to agree with him on that (actually scratch that, I think he went easy on the game); the motion controls added very little to that game (yay for replacing random button mashing with random stick waggling!), there was almost no challenge to it whatsoever, text based diaologe in 2006 is absurb (especially considering the fact that the Wii is the first nintendo console that offers a standard disc format with plenty of room for audio files), and the game's overall formula just feels way too familiar. But hey, that's just my opinion, and something you have to realize is that everyone has an opinion, and no matter how hard you try you are never going to get every person on the planet to agree on anything.

Jeff is a good reviewer becuase he doesn't let outside sources influence what he says. He doesn't say "Well I thought this game was good, but everyone else thought it was amazing so I'll slap a 9.0 on it just so fanboys don't get mad at me". If he thinks a game was lacking in certain areas he will bring it up.

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#25 Killer_Wuggles
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[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]a game being to short is a completely valid point, what are you smoking?jg4xchamp

Metal Gear Solid isn't short at all on your first play-through.

Its not a hard game and is very linear. It takes 6-8 hours tops.

Even if it is reasonably short, is that supposed to be more important than the blend of cinema and gameplay that the game is famous for? Is that supposed to undermine the intense and clever boss fights?

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I didn't read that rant. It should be a blog post, not a thread.

But it's kinda funny to watch a bunch of kids get upset about a video game review, which wasn't even bad. A game which gets 4/5 is GOOD (you know, . . . the opposite of BAD). But if you don't like it, try to take comfort from the fact that it's JUST a freakin video game. If a video game review means that much to your life, than you have problems.

Take it or leave it, Gerstmann knows his business, and GiantBomb.com will be a great site once it gets off the ground later this year.

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but sir you see.... EVERYBODY that complains about his reviews happen to be zelda fans....
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Sorry about this wall of text rant, and if you read this whole thing, well, thanks, I guess. Any thoughts or comments?Killer_Wuggles

Yeah. I think your justification for why Gertsmann does a poor review are worse than the justifications he cited for his reviews.

In 1998, Mr. Gerstmann reviewed Metal Gear Solid for the Playstation. Killer_Wuggles

He knocked the game down a few points for replay value. Seems fair to me. A fantastic first-time experience with a mediocre ot poor replay experience. Seems to even out.

Later, in 2001, Mr. Gerstmann reviews Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 for the Playstation 2. Killer_Wuggles

I havent played THPS 3, so i cant say for certain, but it seems consistant with the previous statement. It might be short and repetative but it offers good replay value. Maybe it was somewhat overrated by him? Mayhaps. But he justified it.

Fast-forward five years to the launch of the Wii. One title stood out as being a must-have (and possibly one of the best launch titles ever): The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Killer_Wuggles

Considering how long that game was in development for the GC, i could see how this could actually be true. Nintendo's attempts to remain genuine to the Zelda franchise may have harkened back to the old days a bit too much. You seem to say that TP deserves a better score just because its Zelda, not on the merits of it actually being a game that deserves X score. You're just saying "Man... its Zelda, that you can slay stuff now!" and "Man, its a Zelda with the music its always had." Those are both irrelelvent to whether the game is good or not. Might as well give the crappy CDi Zelda games 10.0 for being Zelda games.

When Mr. Gerstmann reviewed Warioware: Smooth Moves, he gave it a glowing review, citing how it utilizes the Wii Remote's motion sensing abilites in fun and wacky ways.Killer_Wuggles

Mini-games vs a full-fledged adventure game have nothing to do with each other. They are both indepedant games and titles and stand on their own two feet based on what they offer. Or should Hour of Victory get a better score than Warioware because its "a full fledged action game"?

Are you really comparing a (relatively) dialogue heavy game like TP to a collection f minigames comprising of almost no dialog? Are you going to dock points on Guitar Heroe for its lack of a story? No. Certain elements have no relevence to certain types of games. You sure as heck will rate poorly a game like Guitar Hero for bad music, while the same for, say, an RTS would just get a passing mention of its bad music with little change on its score.

No, idont think gertsmann is the perfect reviewer, or even the best reviewer in GS, here. But your claims of how he does/doesnt justify his scores are bogus.
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I think his reviews were awful, but they paled in comparison to the way he left.

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#30 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"][QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]So, bash on Jeff because he doesn't jump on the bandwagon and give a game a fantastic score like everyone else right?Killer_Wuggles

No, I tend to bash on him because his reviews are nonsensical, nitpicky, and ridiculous. I have read all of the reviews of the games I talked about, and all of them don't give a solid reason as to why the game recieved the score it recieved.

Why should one man's opinion bother you so much though? Yeah I agree, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 getting a perfect score is laughable, but he does tend to give pretty accurate reviews. Personally, I prefer a more stricter reviewer, than a pushover who throws at AAA's just because it's a big name franchise.

Why shouldn't it bother me? Is it completely wrong to disagree with Jeff Gerstmann? His reviews aren't accurate at all. If he was a strict reviewer, he wouldn't give Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 a perfect 10, Warioware: Smooth Moves a 9.1, etc. The games he underrated are games I have played, and are deserving of an AAA score.

in YOUR opinion, not in his, everybody has differing opinions on what diserves what, and no, no game immediatly deserves a high rating just becasue

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#31 Killer_Wuggles
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You took four games from four different genres and are trying to explain that if he reviews one of them one way, he should look at all them the exact same way, that's where your opinion makes no sense. That's like saying, man, Gears of War is a great game, but it lacked Final Fantasy's wonderful turn-based battles so therefore its not as good!

7CloudStrife7

You're taking my whole post out of context. He mentions how a game like Twilight Princess lacks voice-acted dialouge, but a game like Warioware is given a free pass because it's just a set of whimsical mini-games; He says that THPS3 is a revolution in sports games, but doesn't mention that Metal Gear Solid is a pioneer in story-based action. He lacks solid reasons as to why he gave good games somewhat poor reviews.

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#32 WildTurkey00
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I think his reviews were awful, but they paled in comparison to the way he left.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Yup, the way he left was shameful

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#33 Killer_Wuggles
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I didn't read that rant. It should be a blog post, not a thread.

But it's kinda funny to watch a bunch of kids get upset about a video game review, which wasn't even bad. A game which gets 4/5 is GOOD (you know, . . . the opposite of BAD). But if you don't like it, try to take comfort from the fact that it's JUST a freakin video game. If a video game review means that much to your life, than you have problems.

Take it or leave it, Gerstmann knows his business, and GiantBomb.com will be a great site once it gets off the ground later this year.

WildTurkey00

I never mentioned his opinion about Brawl, so why are you saying I did? I think that the score itself fits the game, since a 4/5 is not to be on the same scale as an 8/10, but the review, as usual, is God-awful.

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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]So, bash on Jeff because he doesn't jump on the bandwagon and give a game a fantastic score like everyone else right?Killer_Wuggles

No, I tend to bash on him because his reviews are nonsensical, nitpicky, and ridiculous. I have read all of the reviews of the games I talked about, and all of them don't give a solid reason as to why the game recieved the score it recieved.

I don't think anyone is reading your entire OP.

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#37 WildTurkey00
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[QUOTE="WildTurkey00"]

I didn't read that rant. It should be a blog post, not a thread.

But it's kinda funny to watch a bunch of kids get upset about a video game review, which wasn't even bad. A game which gets 4/5 is GOOD (you know, . . . the opposite of BAD). But if you don't like it, try to take comfort from the fact that it's JUST a freakin video game. If a video game review means that much to your life, than you have problems.

Take it or leave it, Gerstmann knows his business, and GiantBomb.com will be a great site once it gets off the ground later this year.

Killer_Wuggles

I never mentioned his opinion about Brawl, so why are you saying I did? I think that the score itself fits the game, since a 4/5 is not to be on the same scale as an 8/10, but the review, as usual, is God-awful.

I never said you did. My language was very general. It was more of a blanket statement.

But I have noticed increased discussion about Gerstmann since his SSBB review came out, so . . . . yeah.

Thanks

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[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]Sorry about this wall of text rant, and if you read this whole thing, well, thanks, I guess. Any thoughts or comments?XaosII

Yeah. I think your justification for why Gertsmann does a poor review are worse than the justifications he cited for his reviews.

In 1998, Mr. Gerstmann reviewed Metal Gear Solid for the Playstation. Killer_Wuggles

He knocked the game down a few points for replay value. Seems fair to me. A fantastic first-time experience with a mediocre ot poor replay experience. Seems to even out.

Later, in 2001, Mr. Gerstmann reviews Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 for the Playstation 2. Killer_Wuggles

I havent played THPS 3, so i cant say for certain, but it seems consistant with the previous statement. It might be short and repetative but it offers good replay value. Maybe it was somewhat overrated by him? Mayhaps. But he justified it.

Fast-forward five years to the launch of the Wii. One title stood out as being a must-have (and possibly one of the best launch titles ever): The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Killer_Wuggles

Considering how long that game was in development for the GC, i could see how this could actually be true. Nintendo's attempts to remain genuine to the Zelda franchise may have harkened back to the old days a bit too much. You seem to say that TP deserves a better score just because its Zelda, not on the merits of it actually being a game that deserves X score. You're just saying "Man... its Zelda, that you can slay stuff now!" and "Man, its a Zelda with the music its always had." Those are both irrelelvent to whether the game is good or not. Might as well give the crappy CDi Zelda games 10.0 for being Zelda games.

When Mr. Gerstmann reviewed Warioware: Smooth Moves, he gave it a glowing review, citing how it utilizes the Wii Remote's motion sensing abilites in fun and wacky ways.Killer_Wuggles

Mini-games vs a full-fledged adventure game have nothing to do with each other. They are both indepedant games and titles and stand on their own two feet based on what they offer. Or should Hour of Victory get a better score than Warioware because its "a full fledged action game"?

Are you really comparing a (relatively) dialogue heavy game like TP to a collection f minigames comprising of almost no dialog? Are you going to dock points on Guitar Heroe for its lack of a story? No. Certain elements have no relevence to certain types of games. You sure as heck will rate poorly a game like Guitar Hero for bad music, while the same for, say, an RTS would just get a passing mention of its bad music with little change on its score.

No, idont think gertsmann is the perfect reviewer, or even the best reviewer in GS, here. But your claims of how he does/doesnt justify his scores are bogus.

Do you really want proper justification as to why Twilight Princess deserves an AAA review? The boss-fights are epic, clever, and unique; the level-design in the dungeons are among the best in the genre, and make other developers seem lazy in their efforts; the new items and weapons are very inventive and really bring a great flair to the game; the graphics make the game seem dark and edgy, something rare in a Zelda game, and last and most important of all, the controls for the Wii make excellent use of the gameplay, in or out of combat. If you ever played Twilight Princess, you wouldn't need proper justification as to why the game deserves an AAA score.

He seems to justify why he gives games high scores, but when it comes to justifying why gives games low scores, his reasons are undeniably nit-picky and just plain stupid.

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#39 TyrantDragon55
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[QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]

You took four games from four different genres and are trying to explain that if he reviews one of them one way, he should look at all them the exact same way, that's where your opinion makes no sense. That's like saying, man, Gears of War is a great game, but it lacked Final Fantasy's wonderful turn-based battles so therefore its not as good!

Killer_Wuggles

You're taking my whole post out of context. He mentions how a game like Twilight Princess lacks voice-acted dialouge, but a game like Warioware is given a free pass because it's just a set of whimsical mini-games; He says that THPS3 is a revolution in sports games, but doesn't mention that Metal Gear Solid is a pioneer in story-based action. He lacks solid reasons as to why he gave good games somewhat poor reviews.

Why would a mini-game compilation need voice acting? I suppose you also would like him to knock points off for not having some sort of epic plot. You can't review two games from two completely different genres the same way, that doesn't even begin to make sense.

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#40 mlbslugger86
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he's his own reviewer...so what if he gave SSBB a less than stellar review? its his opinion

it's kinda like a sony fan saying halo 3 is overratted

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#41 PhoebusFlows
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that's a long post. talk about disregarding lol

notice the sheep are the ones who talk the most about reviews? lwe prefer to discuss games and the occassional review talk, but sheep still go on and on about reviews. they want the game to get a sterling 9.5 across the boards.

guess what when Mass Effect didnt get AAA I didnt care. I didnt even post a damn thing about it. And they call us fanboys when they are obsessing over the most trivial things.

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#42 Killer_Wuggles
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[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]So, bash on Jeff because he doesn't jump on the bandwagon and give a game a fantastic score like everyone else right?Tylendal

No, I tend to bash on him because his reviews are nonsensical, nitpicky, and ridiculous. I have read all of the reviews of the games I talked about, and all of them don't give a solid reason as to why the game recieved the score it recieved.

I don't think anyone is reading your entire OP.

Is that supposed to be a compliment or an insult?

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I'm not a Sheep that hates him for giving a Zelda game a bad review. Killer_Wuggles

I have a hard time believing that.

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gamespot is here to inform you on their opinions. all of those were jeffs opinions. you dont have to believe him. if you dont like the score, go some place else.
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#45 aaron6581230
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[QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]

You took four games from four different genres and are trying to explain that if he reviews one of them one way, he should look at all them the exact same way, that's where your opinion makes no sense. That's like saying, man, Gears of War is a great game, but it lacked Final Fantasy's wonderful turn-based battles so therefore its not as good!

Killer_Wuggles

You're taking my whole post out of context. He mentions how a game like Twilight Princess lacks voice-acted dialouge, but a game like Warioware is given a free pass because it's just a set of whimsical mini-games; He says that THPS3 is a revolution in sports games, but doesn't mention that Metal Gear Solid is a pioneer in story-based action. He lacks solid reasons as to why he gave good games somewhat poor reviews.

I don't think you're looking at this the right way. A game like Warioware does not depend on a story because it is, as you said, a set of minigames unlike Twilight Princess. But look at it this way, the reason Warioware got so high was because it did something that no other game at the time had done before; use the wii's motion sensing technology thoroughly and effectively, not just slapping it on games to replace normal functions that you could do with buttons (i.e Twilight Princess). With Twilight Princess, I agree with him that it does feel somewhat dated. Heck, it was originally a Gamecube game with motion sensing added on. Don't get me wrong, Twilight Princess is a great game but not everybody wants the same old stuff in their games, with dated characteristics like lack of real voice acting and not really any change to the original formula. You shouldn't be taking review scores that seriously anyways. Just because someone's opinion is different than your's doesn't mean you and snicker about how they're a bad reviewer. BTW, THPS3 was a revolution as it was one of the first games to provide real online play, and Metal Gear Solid isn't a pioneer, Metal Gear was.

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#46 mlbslugger86
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[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

I'm not a Sheep that hates him for giving a Zelda game a bad review. dracula_16

I have a hard time believing that.

so do i. its like the man can't have his own opinion without getting bashed for it

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[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

I'm not a Sheep that hates him for giving a Zelda game a bad review. dracula_16

I have a hard time believing that.

I'm a shemming that hates him for his THPS3 review.

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#48 WildTurkey00
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he's his own reviewer...so what if he gave SSBB a less than stellar review? its his opinion

it's kinda like a sony fan saying halo 3 is overratted

mlbslugger86

Yup. Or an Xbox fan saying Splinter Cell is soooooooo much better than MGS.

They're all just opinions.

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#49 Killer_Wuggles
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[QUOTE="Killer_Wuggles"]

I'm not a Sheep that hates him for giving a Zelda game a bad review. dracula_16

I have a hard time believing that.

Fine, don't believe it. I probably would accept his review of Twilight Princess if he gave reasons as to why the game deserved the score it recieved that made sense.

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#50 sexy_chimp
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I've never agreed with his reviews. No, I'm not a fanboy, I just don't agree with his reviews.

I DO think that Zelda: TP and Zelda: MM deserved AAA. That's not my inner fanboy speaking, I really, really think it does.