This is why Resistance 3 flopped in sales (IMO)

Because of the rubbish PSN Pass to discourage used game sales. Its not really the kind of game you want to keep in your library. Its basically a good FPS with short campaing and sub-par multiplayer. When you cant sell it after you finish it to buy something new, you just avoid buying it at all.

Hope devs will take their lesson from this.

I'll be getting it when it drops in price. Single player is fun and worth replaying IMO, but from what I've heard and watched, the MP is horrid.

Because of the rubbish PSN Pass to discourage used game sales. Its not really the kind of game you want to keep in your library. Its basically a good FPS with short campaing and sub-par multiplayer. When you cant sell it after you finish it to buy something new, you just avoid buying it at all.

Hope devs will take their lesson from this.

BlbecekBobecek

Yeah, that's what hurt the sales ...

When I purchase a game my first concern is can I sell it?vashkey

Or "Can I buy it used?" :)

Launching in the same time frame as GeoW3 was what hurt it, Passes have already pretty much proven gamers dont care too much bout them tbh.

I hope you're right tc, I don't want to see these passes becoming successful. Especially with ID using it in the single player portion. I was going to buy Rage, but now I'm just going to rent it and not give the developer my support.

Yeah... I seriously doubt people didn't buy the game specifically because they might not have been able to sell it. When I purchase a game my first concern is can I sell it?vashkey

Yeah... I seriously doubt people didn't buy the game specifically because they might not have been able to sell it. When I purchase a game my first concern is can I sell it?vashkey

Dat triple negative

Launching in the same time frame as GeoW3 was what hurt it, Passes have already pretty much proven gamers dont care too much bout them tbh.

razgriz_101

Can't just lock down resale of a game and think it will boost new game sales.

It's not that straight forward.

Resale is part of "perceived value" of the product.

If you remove perceived value, people feel like they're not getting their money's worth and they don't buy.

Since the beginning people have been trading and selling their cartridges and games.

This "ownership" is part of the perceived value. That you've bought something that's worth X.

Now publishers and devs are saying "Well you paid us but you didn't buy anything, because we want more sales, so we will lock down everything to make sure you can't resell."

This leads to customer dissatisfaction, low perceived value, and ultimately low sales of the product.

Bottom line, used games, rentals and even piracy HELP sales.

Video games are not widgets, they are not vinyl siding.

A developer is almost like a rockstar, or favorite actor.

When Metallica started going after little kids and grandmas for piracy, lots of people stopped buying Metallica CD's.

People don't want to contribute to greedwhores.

"Online Pass" is basically attacking your fans and infringing on their rights as consumers.

And it backfired in the form of disastrous sales.

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When you're thinking about game sales, you gotta think like a 14 year old.

A kid goes into gamestop and buys R3 used.

He takes it home, plays it, part of it is locked down.

He tells his friends "oh man I paid $40 for R3 and it sucks."

Then he returns R3 back to gamestop and buys something else.

Eventually gamestop has 40 copies of R3 that nobody wants to buy.

And nobody wants to buy it new because everybody says it sucks.

Developers think they increase sales by locking things down.

In reality they are just cutting their own throats, turning away fans and decreasing the perceived value of the goods they produce.

Bottom line : R3 deserved to flop, and it did.

Can't just lock down resale of a game and think it will boost new game sales.

It's not that straight forward.

Resale is part of "perceived value" of the product.

If you remove perceived value, people feel like they're not getting their money's worth and they don't buy.

Since the beginning people have been trading and selling their cartridges and games.

This "ownership" is part of the perceived value. That you've bought something that's worth X.

Now publishers and devs are saying "Well you paid us but you didn't buy anything, because we want more sales, so we will lock down everything to make sure you can't resell."

This leads to customer dissatisfaction, low perceived value, and ultimately low sales of the product.

Bottom line, used games, rentals and even piracy HELP sales.

Video games are not widgets, they are not vinyl siding.

A developer is almost like a rockstar, or favorite actor.

When Metallica started going after little kids and grandmas for piracy, lots of people stopped buying Metallica CD's.

People don't want to contribute to greedwhores.

"Online Pass" is basically attacking your fans and infringing on their rights as consumers.

And it backfired in the form of disastrous sales.

---

When you're thinking about game sales, you gotta think like a 14 year old.

A kid goes into gamestop and buys R3 used.

He takes it home, plays it, part of it is locked down.

He tells his friends "oh man I paid $40 for R3 and it sucks."

Then he returns R3 back to gamestop and buys something else.

Eventually gamestop has 40 copies of R3 that nobody wants to buy.

And nobody wants to buy it new because everybody says it sucks.

Developers think they increase sales by locking things down.

In reality they are just cutting their own throats, turning away fans and decreasing the perceived value of the goods they produce.

Bottom line : R3 deserved to flop, and it did.

ZombieKiller7

Yeah, this exactly! QFT, thanks for expanding my OP.

Zombie could you not use such long margins?

As for that it failed it would seem cause they tried to make the game like the first game becasue it received sales because it was released at a time when the ps3 had very little to do when it came to games instead of building on the awesome in every way that was resistance 2...they tried to make the game like resistance1 which was a ps2 game at most but actually made the multiplayer worse then both 1 and 2 in the mean time and thus no one wanted it. Far better games available on the ps3 then resistance 3.

It's because the ps3 has so many great exclusives this year.People don't know what to buy....So they buy nothing.

I don't understand why so many people feel as though it flopped in sales. Obviously the Resistance series doesn't carry nearly as much weight as the biggest franchises in the industry. There have been tons of games this generation that have had even weaker openings than Resistance 3 and went on to sell 2+ million copies. The game will continue to sell over a long period of time. Most people seem to forget this.

It's because the ps3 has so many great exclusives this year.People don't know what to buy....So they buy nothing.

Lto_thaG

Do we actually know if it flopped sales wise?

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

It's because the ps3 has so many great exclusives this year.People don't know what to buy....So they buy nothing.

ianuilliam

The sad thing is that Gears 3 lifetime sales are probably going to probably be more than Killzone, Resistance, and Uncharted 3 combined. Yes Sony has a lot of game they need to sell, but I still think they could market their products much better.

And @ the TC, online pass did not affect these sales in any meaningful way. There is a very small minority among gamers who will not buy anything with an online pass. Kudos to you guys, but your way to small to actually make a difference. Resistance 3 failed to sell because lack of hype pre-product, and imo some terrible commercials once the game did come out. That Kevin Butler commercial was lackluster in terms of trying to sell a product to new consumers.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

It's because the ps3 has so many great exclusives this year.People don't know what to buy....So they buy nothing.

phantomblade220

The sad thing is that Gears 3 lifetime sales are probably going to probably be more than Killzone, Resistance, and Uncharted 3 combined. Yes Sony has a lot of game they need to sell, but I still think they could market their products much better.

And @ the TC, online pass did not affect these sales in any meaningful way. There is a very small minority among gamers who will not buy anything with an online pass. Kudos to you guys, but your way to small to actually make a difference. Resistance 3 failed to sell because lack of hype pre-product, and imo some terrible commercials once the game did come out. That Kevin Butler commercial was lackluster in terms of trying to sell a product to new consumers.

Gears 2 LTD sales: Right at 6 million.

Gears 3's first week was better, so it'll likely beat those numbers, but don't get too far ahead of yourself. I'm guessing it'll end up around 8. Uncharted 2 sold about 5 million, a bit over a million more than the first one. It's not that unlikely that Uncharted 3 could sell 6-7 million. KZ3 has sold almost 2 million. Resistance 3 will probably hit at least a million before its all over.

But even if Gears 3 does sell as much or more as U3, R3, and KZ3 all combined... what good is that to gamers? 8 million game sales is 8 million game sales to a publisher, and if they can put all the money into one game to get that instead of 3, it probably is better for them for profit margins. But for a gamer? Do 360 fans really prefer getting 1 game instead of 3?

the series has always been terrible and generic. people only bought the first two because they didn't have anything else to play on the ps3. :)

because the MP isnt memorable and the coop was even more limited, and since MW3 and BF3 obviously out play R3, they isnt a point in wasting money

I rented the game for 1 dollar at Redbox. I used a coupon. Was gonna try out multiplayer but there was no pass available so just single player was available. Good cheap experieince.

I don't think it flopped because the game sucked. I think the the SP player story was great fun and with many cool weapons and great boss battle. The story was interesting even if the ending was a little bit of a letdown. I still think it kills KZ3's SP campain and I haven't even finished Halo Reach's SP campaign which is very uninspiring to me. Where it failed most was not keeping 8 player co-op mode and having a COD clone for MP with a alien twist. Also, as mentioned before Sony doesn't really maket well and it shows compared to the 360. I think it was a great game SP game that had a lackluster MP with no hype is why it failed. People buy shooters unfortunately for the MP only and this killed R3.

Yeah... I seriously doubt people didn't buy the game specifically because they might not have been able to sell it. When I purchase a game my first concern is can I sell it?vashkey

Thats why I didn't buy it. Thats the only benefit of owning a console imo. So I'll just rent it beat it and return it. I can do with out having to fork out that kind of money just so I can play multiplayer.

When someone sells a used game what essentially happens is multiple people split the initial cost. They otherwise couldn't afford it up front. So two or three people going in on the price of game is still a sale and in my case it was a lost sale.

ps3 games dont sell.

[QUOTE="vashkey"]Yeah... I seriously doubt people didn't buy the game specifically because they might not have been able to sell it. When I purchase a game my first concern is can I sell it?Sgt_Crow

I keep my games even after I beat it. I only sell the games I dont like.

I don't understand why so many people feel as though it flopped in sales. Obviously the Resistance series doesn't carry nearly as much weight as the biggest franchises in the industry. There have been tons of games this generation that have had even weaker openings than Resistance 3 and went on to sell 2+ million copies. The game will continue to sell over a long period of time. Most people seem to forget this.

Sserv

Some people have this nonsensical thought that if a game doesint do *insert high selling francise* numbers it floped in sales.

It flopped because Sony doesn't understand it's fanbase. PS3 users don't want FPSers.i5750at4Ghz

I hope MS is smart and doesn't implement this in their games, they should allow all Gold subscribers to play their games new or used.

It flopped because it didn't appeal to the casual Halo/COD players who make up a huge amount of sales on consoles. I'm not saying everyone who plays those games are casuals, just that casuals tend to play those and that they make up a large chunk of the sales.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]It flopped because Sony doesn't understand it's fanbase. PS3 users don't want FPSers.mitu123

Aside from the lackluster ending, every moment of the campaign was incredible. The best Resistance campaign to date.

And this game is the farthest thing from any type of MW3 of BF3 "clone" out there.

Get your facts straight people.

It flopped because it didn't appeal to the casual Halo/COD players who make up a huge amount of sales on consoles. I'm not saying everyone who plays those games are casuals, just that casuals tend to play those and that they make up a large chunk of the sales.

hoola

[QUOTE="phantomblade220"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]It's not like PS3 games aren't selling. There's too many for any one to sell Gears/Halo level sales, but so far this year 360 exclusives have sold about 3.14 million (3 million Gears, .14 million Gunstringer, Rise of Nightmares, Body and Brain Connection combined) and PS3 exclusives have sold 7.35 million (LBP and KZ were the biggest so far, but there's been 5 that were all over half a million so far).

ianuilliam

The sad thing is that Gears 3 lifetime sales are probably going to probably be more than Killzone, Resistance, and Uncharted 3 combined. Yes Sony has a lot of game they need to sell, but I still think they could market their products much better.

And @ the TC, online pass did not affect these sales in any meaningful way. There is a very small minority among gamers who will not buy anything with an online pass. Kudos to you guys, but your way to small to actually make a difference. Resistance 3 failed to sell because lack of hype pre-product, and imo some terrible commercials once the game did come out. That Kevin Butler commercial was lackluster in terms of trying to sell a product to new consumers.

Gears 2 LTD sales: Right at 6 million.

Gears 3's first week was better, so it'll likely beat those numbers, but don't get too far ahead of yourself. I'm guessing it'll end up around 8. Uncharted 2 sold about 5 million, a bit over a million more than the first one. It's not that unlikely that Uncharted 3 could sell 6-7 million. KZ3 has sold almost 2 million. Resistance 3 will probably hit at least a million before its all over.

But even if Gears 3 does sell as much or more as U3, R3, and KZ3 all combined... what good is that to gamers? 8 million game sales is 8 million game sales to a publisher, and if they can put all the money into one game to get that instead of 3, it probably is better for them for profit margins. But for a gamer? Do 360 fans really prefer getting 1 game instead of 3?

the series has always been terrible and generic. people only bought the first two because they didn't have anything else to play on the ps3. :)

MozartXVI

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]It flopped because Sony doesn't understand it's fanbase. PS3 users don't want FPSers.Plagueless

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]It flopped because Sony doesn't understand it's fanbase. PS3 users don't want FPSers.Plagueless

the reason why ps3 games flop in sales imo because ps3 only owners dont buy there exclusives but they only hype and talk about them. m friend doesnt hav a 360 or a wii but keep hyping the ps3 system for it great and outstanding game library yet he only owns 1 exclusive and thats mgs4 3 years ago. he only plays cod on ps3.

either way i think resistance 3 is amazing also resistence 2 is amazing. i loved the campaigns it was very entertaining. imho resistance 2 and 3 are underrated and people dont buy them because they prefer the inferior killzone 2 and 3 because of here graphics

the reason why ps3 games flop in sales imo because ps3 only owners dont buy there exclusives but they only hype and talk about them. m friend doesnt hav a 360 or a wii but keep hyping the ps3 system for it great and outstanding game library yet he only owns 1 exclusive and thats mgs4 3 years ago. he only plays cod on ps3.

either way i think resistance 3 is amazing also resistence 2 is amazing. i loved the campaigns it was very entertaining. imho resistance 2 and 3 are underrated and people dont buy them because they prefer the inferior killzone 2 and 3 because of here graphics

pc-ps360

[QUOTE="MozartXVI"]

the series has always been terrible and generic. people only bought the first two because they didn't have anything else to play on the ps3. :)

Mozelleple112

Ah, damage control at its finest.

Do you really think that people outside SW care about whether a game is exclusive or not? Multiplats this year have been way better than every PS3 exclusive except LBP. Gears of War 3 sold well because it is a GOOD GAME. Not because it is exclusive. if exclusitivity were the only reasons games sell, Cod wouldn't be the best selling game on all platforms and devs wouldn't be moving to multiplat (Insominiac, Bungie)360 users bought Gears of War 3 because it is one helluva fine game, whether you see it like that or not doesn't matter, because you haven't played it.

Also, why do you bring up MGS4 in EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts? I understand its a great game, but 1 AAAA does not equal > whole library. It might be the best game on the platform, but if it were to stand alone against a volley of AA and AAA titles it would lose.

Also, AAAA or not, MGS4 was overrated by GS. GS went crazy in 2008, they handed out a 10 to GTA4 as well, but no one denies that was overrated. The only reason cows defend MGS4 is that it is AAAA, not because its a great game.