This is why the xbox 360 is not number 1

The Xbox 360 is far behind the Wii, and the PS3 is catching up in terms of sales, despite the Xbox 360's superior game library. Despite the Xbox 360 having a far better line-up than the original Xbox, it is BARELY beating it in sales (the Xbox 360 is only ahead by like a million this point in their lifespans). Here is why:

- No price drop. After 3 years the biggest price drop? $50. From $399 to $349. I mean even the PS3 has had a $200 price drop and its been 2 years. The Xbox 360 should be like at the $249 price by now.

- It boched the Japanese launch. The Xbox 360 sold 25,000 units in Japan because of a hyped Japanese game (Tales of Vesperia). But when it launched, it had 7 games and only like 2 appealed to the Japanese. This has cursed the 360 throughout its whole "life"span in Japan.

- Red Ring of Death. Disc scratching. I move my PS2, Wii, PS3, Xbox, etc. etc. while the disc is running and it doesn't scratch it. Heck the 360 scratched my Guitar Hero III even though it was off. I barely pushed it to put in the 360 guitar controller too. I guess I should be punished for wanting to play right?

- Developers aren't going to it. Microsoft is going to the developers. With the PS1 developers were flocking to Sony's system because of its CD capabilities and easy to work with 3D architecture. MS is trying to buy their way to number 1 but what they don't realize is that you can't do that - you have to earn it. Case in point: MS paid $50 million for "exclusive" GTAIV content, yet the PS3 version of GTAIV sold only 1 million less than the 360 version, despite the content advantage and having twice the install base.

- Microsoft isn't innovating enough. It's the same ole same ole. Yes, the game selection is great (one of the best of all time), but there's no unique titles really. The PS3 has the EyeToy and LittleBigPlanet coming, while the PS2 had Guitar Hero and EyeToy as well, and the Wii has WiiSports and WiiFit. What does MS have? SceneIt? Lips? Is this a joke?

- Even though MS' library is mostly same ole, same ole... it still doesn't have all the genres to make it a legendary system. While the Xbox 360 is getting tons of good JRPGs - it didn't get them until its 3rd year in the market. It waited too long so it started off slow. It has no decent platformers (with Banjo 3 being the light at the end of the tunnel).

- Xbox Live costs money. With the PSN gaining ground and Home coming out later this year, people are going to get mad about Xbox Live costing money when it should be free.

Until Microsoft can EARN first place instead of attempting to buy it, the Xbox brand will always be behind the PlayStation brand... and now the Nintendo brand.

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I disagree with the "MS is going to toward developers", developers find it easier to develop on the 360, although it is true that MS is giving the moneyhatz for certain games.

xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crap

also most devs prefer 360 over ps3

xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapmingo123

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

[QUOTE="mingo123"]xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapChrnoTrigger

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

RROD is now extinct and disc scratch problem is rare too

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapmingo123

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

RROD is now extinct and disc scratch problem is rare too

It's too late now though. We are halfway in the Xbox 360's life and it has a reputation as a broken down console. The PS2 could get away with DREs because it had a great first year line-up, but the Xbox 360's initial reception was horrible.

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapmingo123

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

RROD is now extinct and disc scratch problem is rare too

Stop spouting lies, please. RRoD isin't extinct til the jasper units come out, and the disc scratch problem is very possible if the 360 moves or falls while you're playing.

Stop spouting lies, please. RRoD isin't extinct til the jasper units come out, and the disc scratch problem is very possible if the 360 moves or falls while you're playing.

ChrnoTrigger

not really, RROD is almost dead, very low amount of falcon 360's dies, jasper will completely kill RROD but falcon did 95% job

I've never understood how people can claim they know the numbers when it comes to the RROD problem, none of us know how widespread the problem is and how badly is affects certain consoles over others.

According to Wikipedia, exclusive content for the PS3 GTA4 is likely as well.SolidGame_basic

LOL wikipedia, it must be true then:lol:

All I know is I own both Wii and 360 , My Wii is collecting dust and have done that since I beat SMG , while I play my 360 every day. I play Halo 3 , Cod 4 and Geow Multiplayer. Ps3 got no multiplayer game I am intrested in that I cant play with my 360, ps3 got mgs4 witch I have beat since I borrowed my friends ps3 and thats it. People talk aboute how what great games are comming out for the ps3 and they mention LBP , Seriously... Who want to spend their days playing with some cute dolls and creating some cute levels , LBP is a game for kids and Girls imo. 360 got GEARS OF WAR 2 and Fable 2 comming out and I will also pick upp Too Human since I enyojed the demo , I dont hype the game tough dont think it will score AAA , but I know I will enjoy it.

Xbox360 still NR 1

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]

Stop spouting lies, please. RRoD isin't extinct til the jasper units come out, and the disc scratch problem is very possible if the 360 moves or falls while you're playing.

mingo123

not really, RROD is almost dead, very low amount of falcon 360's dies, jasper will completely kill RROD but falcon did 95% job

First you say it is extinct , now almost dead? You should run for President.

Would you be willing to bet your life on that statement?

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapAHUGECAT

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

RROD is now extinct and disc scratch problem is rare too

It's too late now though. We are halfway in the Xbox 360's life and it has a reputation as a broken down console. The PS2 could get away with DREs because it had a great first year line-up, but the Xbox 360's initial reception was horrible.

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapAHUGECAT

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

RROD is now extinct and disc scratch problem is rare too

It's too late now though. We are halfway in the Xbox 360's life and it has a reputation as a broken down console. The PS2 could get away with DREs because it had a great first year line-up, but the Xbox 360's initial reception was horrible.

:lol:

xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crap

also most devs prefer 360 over ps3

mingo123

tc just mentioned all of that and in reality the 360 is still going to be in third

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapmingo123

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

RROD is now extinct and disc scratch problem is rare too

man you can't honestly beleive its extinct, everyday theres another kid getting RROD or the 1 ring of death

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapthegoldenpoo

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

RROD is now extinct and disc scratch problem is rare too

It's too late now though. We are halfway in the Xbox 360's life and it has a reputation as a broken down console. The PS2 could get away with DREs because it had a great first year line-up, but the Xbox 360's initial reception was horrible.

i don't think that matters rrod is 10 times worse than dre. the only people who mention dre are people who want to make rrod seem less bad. fact is the 360 could be 1. it came out first but ms did not fix rrod (still not fixed) some people won't even touch the 360, you can think the Internet, media word of month for spreading the news.

i don't think that matters rrod is 10 times worse than dre. the only people who mention dre are people who want to make rrod seem less bad. fact is the 360 could be 1. it came out first but ms did not fix rrod (still not fixed) some people won't even touch the 360, you can think the Internet, media word of month for spreading the news.

sireclaborn

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

i don't think that matters rrod is 10 times worse than dre. the only people who mention dre are people who want to make rrod seem less bad. fact is the 360 could be 1. it came out first but ms did not fix rrod (still not fixed) some people won't even touch the 360, you can think the Internet, media word of month for spreading the news.

angelkimne

thats a sad statement. how many average gamers want to go through that or casuals. maybe hardcore gamers but average joe gamer no. i mean once maybe two times or 3 times better call ms and curse them out or call the bbb. if im paying 300-400 dollars on something i expect to work.

The Xbox 360 is far behind the Wii, and the PS3 is catching up in terms of sales, despite the Xbox 360's superior game library. Despite the Xbox 360 having a far better line-up than the original Xbox, it is BARELY beating it in sales (the Xbox 360 is only ahead by like a million this point in their lifespans). Here is why:

- No price drop. After 3 years the biggest price drop? $50. From $399 to $349. I mean even the PS3 has had a $200 price drop and its been 2 years. The Xbox 360 should be like at the $249 price by now.

This I agree with, though the RROD is the reason why they have kept the price up IMO. They don't want to have millions of potential faulty consoles out there. They have kept the price to a point where it keeps the PS3 at bay for the most part while they eliminate the RROD. Once the RROD is gone, I think they'll get much more aggressive with pricing as they won't have tens of millions of potential RROD'ers laying in wait out there.

- It boched the Japanese launch. The Xbox 360 sold 25,000 units in Japan because of a hyped Japanese game (Tales of Vesperia). But when it launched, it had 7 games and only like 2 appealed to the Japanese. This has cursed the 360 throughout its whole "life"span in Japan.

It's kind of hard to get *** support when your last console bombed there, and the expectation was this gen being more of the same. The 360 having success in other regions forced japanese devs to support the 360 elsewhere, which now translates to them supporting it in Japan also since they already made the game for the other regions. Had the PS3 been ahead of the 360 in all regions like last gen, the 360 still wouldn't have japanese support.

- Red Ring of Death. Disc scratching. I move my PS2, Wii, PS3, Xbox, etc. etc. while the disc is running and it doesn't scratch it. Heck the 360 scratched my Guitar Hero III even though it was off. I barely pushed it to put in the 360 guitar controller too. I guess I should be punished for wanting to play right?

The RROD is a huge problem no denying that. Why the heck do people move their console while they're on? I can't think of a logical reason to do so, especially with wireless controllers. Also, you scratched your GH3 disc while the machine was off? Why do I find that one a little hard to believe...did you try to use a slingshot to plug in the controller? Either way, buy a lottery ticket as I'm sure you're one of the only people to manage to do that, and 1 out of 20 million is pretty extreme odds.

- Developers aren't going to it. Microsoft is going to the developers. With the PS1 developers were flocking to Sony's system because of its CD capabilities and easy to work with 3D architecture. MS is trying to buy their way to number 1 but what they don't realize is that you can't do that - you have to earn it. Case in point: MS paid $50 million for "exclusive" GTAIV content, yet the PS3 version of GTAIV sold only 1 million less than the 360 version, despite the content advantage and having twice the install base.

Let's see any confirmation of MS paying for games to be multiplat. It's more of a case that Sony didn't pay to keep them exclusive. Also, MS didn't get pay to get GTA4. They paid for the content to attempt to give people choosing a console for GTA4 to choose the 360 over the PS3. That example doesn't prove the point you were trying to make. Last gen sony "earned" exclusives by being far and away the largest market. It's multiplat because neither company "earned" it.

- Microsoft isn't innovating enough. It's the same ole same ole. Yes, the game selection is great (one of the best of all time), but there's no unique titles really. The PS3 has the EyeToy and LittleBigPlanet coming, while the PS2 had Guitar Hero and EyeToy as well, and the Wii has WiiSports and WiiFit. What does MS have? SceneIt? Lips? Is this a joke?

360 has the live vision camera, and interactive games coming. LBP isn't all that innovative. It's a platformer with a level editor...what exactly is so groundbreaking? Didn't Lode Runner do the same thing 20 years ago?

- Even though MS' library is mostly same ole, same ole... it still doesn't have all the genres to make it a legendary system. While the Xbox 360 is getting tons of good JRPGs - it didn't get them until its 3rd year in the market. It waited too long so it started off slow. It has no decent platformers (with Banjo 3 being the light at the end of the tunnel).

The 360 still has the most games is nearly every genre in addition to the highest rated games in nearly every genre. In case you didn't notice, the PS3 won't be getting many entries in the same genres till there third year in the market either.

- Xbox Live costs money. With the PSN gaining ground and Home coming out later this year, people are going to get mad about Xbox Live costing money when it should be free.

The PSN has finally started to approach where XBL was in 2005, it has a way to go to catch XBL circa 2008. This argument is old, and has yet to show much merit. PSN will start costing money before XBL becomes free. WHY should it be free? It's a closed network. Would I LIKE it to be free...sure. Do I think it SHOULD be free...no. They are providing a service that I'm willing to pay for. Why isn't cable TV free? Over the air transmissions are. It's the same concept.

Until Microsoft can EARN first place instead of attempting to buy it, the Xbox brand will always be behind the PlayStation brand... and now the Nintendo brand.

In case you didn't notice, this gen the playstation brand is behind the xbox brand.

AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

i don't think that matters rrod is 10 times worse than dre. the only people who mention dre are people who want to make rrod seem less bad. fact is the 360 could be 1. it came out first but ms did not fix rrod (still not fixed) some people won't even touch the 360, you can think the Internet, media word of month for spreading the news.

sireclaborn

thats a sad statement. how many average gamers want to go through that or casuals. maybe hardcore gamers but average joe gamer no. i mean once maybe two times or 3 times better call ms and curse them out or call the bbb. if im paying 300-400 dollars on something i expect to work.

It's not that bad.

[QUOTE="SolidGame_basic"]According to Wikipedia, exclusive content for the PS3 GTA4 is likely as well.l34052

LOL wikipedia, it must be true then:lol:

No, but you do realize that are many professionals that do contribute to Wikipedia right?

And at least they cite their sources as well.

"

During Microsoft's 2006 E3 press conference on 9 May2006, it was announced that Rockstar Games will offer exclusive episodic content for the Xbox 360 version of the game, which will be released after the full game via Xbox Live.[71]Peter Moore, the then head of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division described downloadable content as "epic episode packs", and not just an extra car or character. A press release during the conference said that the packs would add "hours of entirely new gameplay" to the game.[72] Details on the pricing of these downloads have not yet been revealed, though it would almost certainly not be released for free, as Take-Two Interactive's former CEO, Paul Eibeler, has said numerous times that these downloads would provide "additional revenue streams" to the company,[73] but Microsoft has said that it will be up to Rockstar on whether or not they will charge for it.[74] Jeronimo Barrera, Vice President of Product Development for Rockstar Games, has said that the episodes are an experiment because they are not sure that there are enough users with access to online content on the Xbox 360.[75] Take-Two Interactive's Chief Financial Officer, Lainie Goldstein revealed that Microsoft was paying a total of US $50 million for the two episodes.[76] On 20 February2008, it was initially announced that the extra content would be introduced starting August 2008.[77] As part of its second quarter financial reports Take-Two announced that the downloadable content had been delayed and would be released during the first quarter of its 2009 financial year (November 2008 - January 2009).[14]

Downloadable content for the PlayStation 3 was said to be "likely" by vice president of development Jeronimo Barrera, in the May 2008 edition of PlayStation World.[39] The form that the content will take was not stated."

*Cracks Knuckles*

The Xbox 360 is far behind the Wii, and the PS3 is catching up in terms of sales, despite the Xbox 360's superior game library. Despite the Xbox 360 having a far better line-up than the original Xbox, it is BARELY beating it in sales (the Xbox 360 is only ahead by like a million this point in their lifespans). Here is why:

- No price drop. After 3 years the biggest price drop? $50. From $399 to $349. I mean even the PS3 has had a $200 price drop and its been 2 years. The Xbox 360 should be like at the $249 price by now.

This I agree with... The Arcade SKU should be $199 by now with the pro being $249.

- It boched the Japanese launch. The Xbox 360 sold 25,000 units in Japan because of a hyped Japanese game (Tales of Vesperia). But when it launched, it had 7 games and only like 2 appealed to the Japanese. This has cursed the 360 throughout its whole "life"span in Japan.

The 360 had far more Japanese centric games than the PS3 did/does.. Including games like DMC that were Sony exclusive. The Japanese simply don't want the 360, it has nothing to do with it's lineup... Hell 360 AND PS3 games rarely make the top tweenty in Japan.

- Red Ring of Death. Disc scratching. I move my PS2, Wii, PS3, Xbox, etc. etc. while the disc is running and it doesn't scratch it. Heck the 360 scratched my Guitar Hero III even though it was off. I barely pushed it to put in the 360 guitar controller too. I guess I should be punished for wanting to play right?

That's a BULL **** lie! ANY Disc based system with Magnetic drives are prone to scratch a disc if it is moved while playing... The PSOne and PS2 were notorious for this...

- Developers aren't going to it. Microsoft is going to the developers. With the PS1 developers were flocking to Sony's system because of its CD capabilities and easy to work with 3D architecture. MS is trying to buy their way to number 1 but what they don't realize is that you can't do that - you have to earn it. Case in point: MS paid $50 million for "exclusive" GTAIV content, yet the PS3 version of GTAIV sold only 1 million less than the 360 version, despite the content advantage and having twice the install base.

Yet another BULL **** lie! You fanboys kill me with this "Der... M$ is paying devs to make games for the 360... Der" WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE.. The 360 is currently sitting at around 20 million units sold that's about 4-5 million more than the PS3. What Bloody sense would it make to keep games like VF5, DMC and FFXIII exclusive.. M$ isn't "paying" these devs anything.. These devs are looking at a system that sells well on a consistant basis and has the hardware to support their vision.

- Microsoft isn't innovating enough. It's the same ole same ole. Yes, the game selection is great (one of the best of all time), but there's no unique titles really. The PS3 has the EyeToy and LittleBigPlanet coming, while the PS2 had Guitar Hero and EyeToy as well, and the Wii has WiiSports and WiiFit. What does MS have? SceneIt? Lips? Is this a joke?

Viva Pinata Ring a bell? How about Banjo N&B? XBLA? XNA? While PSN and Wiionline are trudging through the stone ages online, M$ is pushing the envelope forward. And besides with games like GH and Rock Band on the market, M$ should only concentrait on the core games... *scoffs* eyetoy... WHat the bloody hell has Sony done with that thing this gen anyway... You're grasping..

- Even though MS' library is mostly same ole, same ole... it still doesn't have all the genres to make it a legendary system. While the Xbox 360 is getting tons of good JRPGs - it didn't get them until its 3rd year in the market. It waited too long so it started off slow. It has no decent platformers (with Banjo 3 being the light at the end of the tunnel).

Are you kidding? What exactly has Sony and Nintendo brought to the table that are unique in their own right? oh.. sequels to 20+ year old franchises... :roll: And name one outstanding platformer besides SMG this gen...... EXACTLY!

- Xbox Live costs money. With the PSN gaining ground and Home coming out later this year, people are going to get mad about Xbox Live costing money when it should be free.

Sony doesn't even know when home is coming out... And the new live update this fall will satisfy the home-likers on the 360. Besides if the PSN updates are anything like that disaster 2.0 update, I don't think M$ is worried. BTW, how are those Trophies coming.. :|

Until Microsoft can EARN first place instead of attempting to buy it, the Xbox brand will always be behind the PlayStation brand... and now the Nintendo brand.

Sony = LOST... The sooner fanboys realize this the better..

AHUGECAT

360 needs 3 things to happen to win the high def system wars

1.another quik price drop before november

2. price cut on xboxlive or just make it free

3. fix rrod for good

360 has good hype with most gamers even with people`s 360 breaking down on those same people come back to the 360. so the system must be fun. its got great support from places it didnt have with xbox 1. hell even gamers can make games with the xbox 360.thats something they should push more specialy in japan.

only reason 360 aint number one right now is ms being stupid imo

Over in europe , at least where I live RROD is not a problem at all , you just bring your 360 with the warranty to the store you bought it in and they give you a brand new one. I have traded my 360 2 times , I acctualy got kinda glad when my 360 got RROD the second time since I had played while I ate and that made the controller dirty , traded it and got a brand new one. Do you really have to wait 2 weeks over in US , that sucks.

i don't think that matters rrod is 10 times worse than dre. the only people who mention dre are people who want to make rrod seem less bad. fact is the 360 could be 1. it came out first but ms did not fix rrod (still not fixed) some people won't even touch the 360, you can think the Internet, media word of month for spreading the news.

sireclaborn

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The Xbox 360 is far behind the Wii, and the PS3 is catching up in terms of sales, despite the Xbox 360's superior game library. Despite the Xbox 360 having a far better line-up than the original Xbox, it is BARELY beating it in sales (the Xbox 360 is only ahead by like a million this point in their lifespans). Here is why:

- No price drop. After 3 years the biggest price drop? $50. From $399 to $349. I mean even the PS3 has had a $200 price drop and its been 2 years. The Xbox 360 should be like at the $249 price by now.

This I agree with, though the RROD is the reason why they have kept the price up IMO. They don't want to have millions of potential faulty consoles out there. They have kept the price to a point where it keeps the PS3 at bay for the most part while they eliminate the RROD. Once the RROD is gone, I think they'll get much more aggressive with pricing as they won't have tens of millions of potential RROD'ers laying in wait out there.

It also has to do with the fact they want to make more profit after the Xbox lost billions of dollars. This is also why peripherals are also so expensive (which I should've mentioned in my first post). But the fact remains the Xbox 360 should be at least $100 cheaper than it is now.

- It boched the Japanese launch. The Xbox 360 sold 25,000 units in Japan because of a hyped Japanese game (Tales of Vesperia). But when it launched, it had 7 games and only like 2 appealed to the Japanese. This has cursed the 360 throughout its whole "life"span in Japan.

It's kind of hard to get *** support when your last console bombed there, and the expectation was this gen being more of the same. The 360 having success in other regions forced japanese devs to support the 360 elsewhere, which now translates to them supporting it in Japan also since they already made the game for the other regions. Had the PS3 been ahead of the 360 in all regions like last gen, the 360 still wouldn't have japanese support.

MS is also buying a ton of games as well. MS should've been aggressive in Japan from the start. They should've helped finance a few Dragon Quest spin-offs for the first year there or something to help boost. But they didn't and now it's too late to bounce back really.

- Red Ring of Death. Disc scratching. I move my PS2, Wii, PS3, Xbox, etc. etc. while the disc is running and it doesn't scratch it. Heck the 360 scratched my Guitar Hero III even though it was off. I barely pushed it to put in the 360 guitar controller too. I guess I should be punished for wanting to play right?

The RROD is a huge problem no denying that. Why the heck do people move their console while they're on? I can't think of a logical reason to do so, especially with wireless controllers. Also, you scratched your GH3 disc while the machine was off? Why do I find that one a little hard to believe...did you try to use a slingshot to plug in the controller? Either way, buy a lottery ticket as I'm sure you're one of the only people to manage to do that, and 1 out of 20 million is pretty extreme odds.

Maybe you want to move it to a more secure location, or move it on a table or something. The fact is the 360 is the most poorly built console in history.

- Developers aren't going to it. Microsoft is going to the developers. With the PS1 developers were flocking to Sony's system because of its CD capabilities and easy to work with 3D architecture. MS is trying to buy their way to number 1 but what they don't realize is that you can't do that - you have to earn it. Case in point: MS paid $50 million for "exclusive" GTAIV content, yet the PS3 version of GTAIV sold only 1 million less than the 360 version, despite the content advantage and having twice the install base.

Let's see any confirmation of MS paying for games to be multiplat. It's more of a case that Sony didn't pay to keep them exclusive. Also, MS didn't get pay to get GTA4. They paid for the content to attempt to give people choosing a console for GTA4 to choose the 360 over the PS3. That example doesn't prove the point you were trying to make. Last gen sony "earned" exclusives by being far and away the largest market. It's multiplat because neither company "earned" it.

PS2 "earned" its exclusives because of the PlayStation brand name. There's a reason games like Devil May Cry 4 and Final Fantasy XIII went multiplat - MS paid them and you can bet MS is trying to get Konami to release MGS4 on the system.

- Microsoft isn't innovating enough. It's the same ole same ole. Yes, the game selection is great (one of the best of all time), but there's no unique titles really. The PS3 has the EyeToy and LittleBigPlanet coming, while the PS2 had Guitar Hero and EyeToy as well, and the Wii has WiiSports and WiiFit. What does MS have? SceneIt? Lips? Is this a joke?

360 has the live vision camera, and interactive games coming. LBP isn't all that innovative. It's a platformer with a level editor...what exactly is so groundbreaking? Didn't Lode Runner do the same thing 20 years ago?

Xbox 360 Live Vision Camera is a joke. And it doesn't have to be "new" to be innovative.

- Even though MS' library is mostly same ole, same ole... it still doesn't have all the genres to make it a legendary system. While the Xbox 360 is getting tons of good JRPGs - it didn't get them until its 3rd year in the market. It waited too long so it started off slow. It has no decent platformers (with Banjo 3 being the light at the end of the tunnel).

The 360 still has the most games is nearly every genre in addition to the highest rated games in nearly every genre. In case you didn't notice, the PS3 won't be getting many entries in the same genres till there third year in the market either.

Um okay?

- Xbox Live costs money. With the PSN gaining ground and Home coming out later this year, people are going to get mad about Xbox Live costing money when it should be free.

The PSN has finally started to approach where XBL was in 2005, it has a way to go to catch XBL circa 2008. This argument is old, and has yet to show much merit. PSN will start costing money before XBL becomes free. WHY should it be free? It's a closed network. Would I LIKE it to be free...sure. Do I think it SHOULD be free...no. They are providing a service that I'm willing to pay for. Why isn't cable TV free? Over the air transmissions are. It's the same concept.

If PSN is free, so should Xbox Live. PSN is actually going to surpass Xbox Live this year, and MS knows it (thus Avatars and the like).

Until Microsoft can EARN first place instead of attempting to buy it, the Xbox brand will always be behind the PlayStation brand... and now the Nintendo brand.

In case you didn't notice, this gen the playstation brand is behind the xbox brand.

For now.....

Steppy_76

I agree completely on the price drop issue. I mean we're looking at a $50 drop this year, who cares? The 20gb system will still remain outside the sweet spot for what a console needs to sell at. MS needs to bite the bullet and drop a full $100. At $199 they wouldn't be able to keep the system in stock this holiday. They'd more then make any losses on the hardware side back on the software licensing side.myke2010

I do agree that $100 price drop in the console is the way to go to really pick up sales but it won't happen. Nothing is going to change with the price of the console till next year around E3 until then they won't touch the price of the console so everyone that is waiting for a bigger price drop will just have to wait another year.

[QUOTE="myke2010"]I agree completely on the price drop issue. I mean we're looking at a $50 drop this year, who cares? The 20gb system will still remain outside the sweet spot for what a console needs to sell at. MS needs to bite the bullet and drop a full $100. At $199 they wouldn't be able to keep the system in stock this holiday. They'd more then make any losses on the hardware side back on the software licensing side.odin2019

I do agree that $100 price drop in the console is the way to go to really pick up sales but it won't happen. Nothing is going to change with the price of the console till next year around E3 until then they won't touch the price of the console so everyone that is waiting for a bigger price drop will just have to wait another year.

Yeah, that's the way I see it as well. Oh well, it's MS's money, not mine. If they want to let PS3 play catch up and possibly cut into their profit margin more power to them.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

*Cracks Knuckles*

The Xbox 360 is far behind the Wii, and the PS3 is catching up in terms of sales, despite the Xbox 360's superior game library. Despite the Xbox 360 having a far better line-up than the original Xbox, it is BARELY beating it in sales (the Xbox 360 is only ahead by like a million this point in their lifespans). Here is why:

- No price drop. After 3 years the biggest price drop? $50. From $399 to $349. I mean even the PS3 has had a $200 price drop and its been 2 years. The Xbox 360 should be like at the $249 price by now.

This I agree with... The Arcade SKU should be $199 by now with the pro being $249.

The Arcade shouldn't exist and the pro should be $199.

- It boched the Japanese launch. The Xbox 360 sold 25,000 units in Japan because of a hyped Japanese game (Tales of Vesperia). But when it launched, it had 7 games and only like 2 appealed to the Japanese. This has cursed the 360 throughout its whole "life"span in Japan.

The 360 had far more Japanese centric games than the PS3 did/does.. Including games like DMC that were Sony exclusive. The Japanese simply don't want the 360, it has nothing to do with it's lineup... Hell 360 AND PS3 games rarely make the top tweenty in Japan

The Japanese didn't want the 360 because by the time it had Japanese games, it was 2008 and too late.

- Red Ring of Death. Disc scratching. I move my PS2, Wii, PS3, Xbox, etc. etc. while the disc is running and it doesn't scratch it. Heck the 360 scratched my Guitar Hero III even though it was off. I barely pushed it to put in the 360 guitar controller too. I guess I should be punished for wanting to play right?

That's a BULL **** lie! ANY Disc based system with Magnetic drives are prone to scratch a disc if it is moved while playing... The PSOne and PS2 were notorious for this...

But nothing like the 360. I move my PS2 all the time and it never scratches - same with Wii and PS3. The Xbox 360 annihilates discs when you put a finger on it.

- Developers aren't going to it. Microsoft is going to the developers. With the PS1 developers were flocking to Sony's system because of its CD capabilities and easy to work with 3D architecture. MS is trying to buy their way to number 1 but what they don't realize is that you can't do that - you have to earn it. Case in point: MS paid $50 million for "exclusive" GTAIV content, yet the PS3 version of GTAIV sold only 1 million less than the 360 version, despite the content advantage and having twice the install base.

Yet another BULL **** lie! You fanboys kill me with this "Der... M$ is paying devs to make games for the 360... Der" WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE.. The 360 is currently sitting at around 20 million units sold that's about 4-5 million more than the PS3. What Bloody sense would it make to keep games like VF5, DMC and FFXIII exclusive.. M$ isn't "paying" these devs anything.. These devs are looking at a system that sells well on a consistant basis and has the hardware to support their vision.

Explain why Virtua Fighter 5 wasn't online for the PS3, or exclusive content on the Xbox 360's GTAIV, or FXIII being on the system despite no Blu-ray, etc. etc.

- Microsoft isn't innovating enough. It's the same ole same ole. Yes, the game selection is great (one of the best of all time), but there's no unique titles really. The PS3 has the EyeToy and LittleBigPlanet coming, while the PS2 had Guitar Hero and EyeToy as well, and the Wii has WiiSports and WiiFit. What does MS have? SceneIt? Lips? Is this a joke?

Viva Pinata Ring a bell? How about Banjo N&B? XBLA? XNA? While PSN and Wiionline are trudging through the stone ages online, M$ is pushing the envelope forward. And besides with games like GH and Rock Band on the market, M$ should only concentrait on the core games... *scoffs* eyetoy... WHat the bloody hell has Sony done with that thing this gen anyway... You're grasping..

Xbox 360 has only sold 20 million consoles - because it only attracts the Xbox audience and a few ex-PS2 players. That's it. The Wii is expanding gaming which is why it has sold a gajillion more than the 360 despite releasing a year later.

- Even though MS' library is mostly same ole, same ole... it still doesn't have all the genres to make it a legendary system. While the Xbox 360 is getting tons of good JRPGs - it didn't get them until its 3rd year in the market. It waited too long so it started off slow. It has no decent platformers (with Banjo 3 being the light at the end of the tunnel).

Are you kidding? What exactly has Sony and Nintendo brought to the table that are unique in their own right? oh.. sequels to 20+ year old franchises... :roll: And name one outstanding platformer besides SMG this gen...... EXACTLY!

Read it again - even though the 360 is getting great games, for the first couple years it had almost next to nothing except a stand out here and there. It's going to need more to make it a legendary system.

- Xbox Live costs money. With the PSN gaining ground and Home coming out later this year, people are going to get mad about Xbox Live costing money when it should be free.

Sony doesn't even know when home is coming out... And the new live update this fall will satisfy the home-likers on the 360. Besides if the PSN updates are anything like that disaster 2.0 update, I don't think M$ is worried. BTW, how are those Trophies coming.. :|

PSN is free.

Until Microsoft can EARN first place instead of attempting to buy it, the Xbox brand will always be behind the PlayStation brand... and now the Nintendo brand.

Sony = LOST... The sooner fanboys realize this the better..

Oh I am an Xbox 360 "fanboy" - I am just simply stating that even though the Xbox 360 has the superior game library (if you actually read anything on my post you would understand the point I am trying to make, but you didn't) it's still selling horribly.

Next time read my post please.

OhSnapitz

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapChrnoTrigger

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

RROD is now extinct and disc scratch problem is rare too

Stop spouting lies, please. RRoD isin't extinct til the jasper units come out, and the disc scratch problem is very possible if the 360 moves or falls while you're playing.

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]xbox 360 has the most and the best games, the best online service, the only thing 360 lacks is platformers other then that its fantastic and has the best controller. for a gamer 360 is nothing but a dream console. for people looking at cheap shovelware games, they can have wii and as we can see majority loves crapjohnnyblazed88

Actually, it's the exact opposite. RRoD is a nightmare, and it's quite common among xbox 360s.. Not to mention how fast it scratches discs :/

RROD is now extinct and disc scratch problem is rare too

man you can't honestly beleive its extinct, everyday theres another kid getting RROD or the 1 ring of death

Opinions are fun dont try to pass them as fact.MojondeVACA

Tell me why you think the Xbox 360 hasn't sold well.

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]Opinions are fun dont try to pass them as fact.AHUGECAT

Tell me why you think the Xbox 360 hasn't sold well.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The Xbox 360 is far behind the Wii, and the PS3 is catching up in terms of sales, despite the Xbox 360's superior game library. Despite the Xbox 360 having a far better line-up than the original Xbox, it is BARELY beating it in sales (the Xbox 360 is only ahead by like a million this point in their lifespans). Here is why:

- No price drop. After 3 years the biggest price drop? $50. From $399 to $349. I mean even the PS3 has had a $200 price drop and its been 2 years. The Xbox 360 should be like at the $249 price by now.

This I agree with, though the RROD is the reason why they have kept the price up IMO. They don't want to have millions of potential faulty consoles out there. They have kept the price to a point where it keeps the PS3 at bay for the most part while they eliminate the RROD. Once the RROD is gone, I think they'll get much more aggressive with pricing as they won't have tens of millions of potential RROD'ers laying in wait out there.

It also has to do with the fact they want to make more profit after the Xbox lost billions of dollars. This is also why peripherals are also so expensive (which I should've mentioned in my first post). But the fact remains the Xbox 360 should be at least $100 cheaper than it is now.

A 199 20 gig, a 249 60 gig and a 300 elite sounds about right, but Sony isn't exactly exerting much force for them to drop to those pricepoints yet.

- It boched the Japanese launch. The Xbox 360 sold 25,000 units in Japan because of a hyped Japanese game (Tales of Vesperia). But when it launched, it had 7 games and only like 2 appealed to the Japanese. This has cursed the 360 throughout its whole "life"span in Japan.

It's kind of hard to get *** support when your last console bombed there, and the expectation was this gen being more of the same. The 360 having success in other regions forced japanese devs to support the 360 elsewhere, which now translates to them supporting it in Japan also since they already made the game for the other regions. Had the PS3 been ahead of the 360 in all regions like last gen, the 360 still wouldn't have japanese support.

MS is also buying a ton of games as well. MS should've been aggressive in Japan from the start. They should've helped finance a few Dragon Quest spin-offs for the first year there or something to help boost. But they didn't and now it's too late to bounce back really.

What games are they "buying"? They probably SHOULD have like you said. The only ones they are buying are the exclusives.

- Red Ring of Death. Disc scratching. I move my PS2, Wii, PS3, Xbox, etc. etc. while the disc is running and it doesn't scratch it. Heck the 360 scratched my Guitar Hero III even though it was off. I barely pushed it to put in the 360 guitar controller too. I guess I should be punished for wanting to play right?

The RROD is a huge problem no denying that. Why the heck do people move their console while they're on? I can't think of a logical reason to do so, especially with wireless controllers. Also, you scratched your GH3 disc while the machine was off? Why do I find that one a little hard to believe...did you try to use a slingshot to plug in the controller? Either way, buy a lottery ticket as I'm sure you're one of the only people to manage to do that, and 1 out of 20 million is pretty extreme odds.

Maybe you want to move it to a more secure location, or move it on a table or something. The fact is the 360 is the most poorly built console in history.

Once again, why? The ONLY reason would be if you have wired controllers, and there is still no reason to do so with the system on. I also think it is merely as crappy as the PS2 was...that system sucked just as bad.

- Developers aren't going to it. Microsoft is going to the developers. With the PS1 developers were flocking to Sony's system because of its CD capabilities and easy to work with 3D architecture. MS is trying to buy their way to number 1 but what they don't realize is that you can't do that - you have to earn it. Case in point: MS paid $50 million for "exclusive" GTAIV content, yet the PS3 version of GTAIV sold only 1 million less than the 360 version, despite the content advantage and having twice the install base.

Let's see any confirmation of MS paying for games to be multiplat. It's more of a case that Sony didn't pay to keep them exclusive. Also, MS didn't get pay to get GTA4. They paid for the content to attempt to give people choosing a console for GTA4 to choose the 360 over the PS3. That example doesn't prove the point you were trying to make. Last gen sony "earned" exclusives by being far and away the largest market. It's multiplat because neither company "earned" it.

PS2 "earned" its exclusives because of the PlayStation brand name. There's a reason games like Devil May Cry 4 and Final Fantasy XIII went multiplat - MS paid them and you can bet MS is trying to get Konami to release MGS4 on the system.

No, they went multiplat because Sony isn't the market king this time around. Without being the market king there was NO reason to still be exclusive. I don't think MS paid for games to simply become multiplat when not being exclusive was in the best interests of the devs/pubs.

- Microsoft isn't innovating enough. It's the same ole same ole. Yes, the game selection is great (one of the best of all time), but there's no unique titles really. The PS3 has the EyeToy and LittleBigPlanet coming, while the PS2 had Guitar Hero and EyeToy as well, and the Wii has WiiSports and WiiFit. What does MS have? SceneIt? Lips? Is this a joke?

360 has the live vision camera, and interactive games coming. LBP isn't all that innovative. It's a platformer with a level editor...what exactly is so groundbreaking? Didn't Lode Runner do the same thing 20 years ago?

Xbox 360 Live Vision Camera is a joke. And it doesn't have to be "new" to be innovative.

But it does have to bring something new to the table, and LBP really doesn't. If the PS3 weren't so exclusive starved it wouldn't be getting much attention. LBP will be largely forgotten within months of release. It's hyped almost by default.

- Even though MS' library is mostly same ole, same ole... it still doesn't have all the genres to make it a legendary system. While the Xbox 360 is getting tons of good JRPGs - it didn't get them until its 3rd year in the market. It waited too long so it started off slow. It has no decent platformers (with Banjo 3 being the light at the end of the tunnel).

The 360 still has the most games is nearly every genre in addition to the highest rated games in nearly every genre. In case you didn't notice, the PS3 won't be getting many entries in the same genres till there third year in the market either.

Um okay?

What point were you trying to make then? Most past systems didn't get "legendary" until the end of their lifespans...you're comparing the entire life of prior consoles with half of the 360's lifespan. I think things would have looked much different in the past if you only looked at the first couple years of those respective consoles life.

- Xbox Live costs money. With the PSN gaining ground and Home coming out later this year, people are going to get mad about Xbox Live costing money when it should be free.

The PSN has finally started to approach where XBL was in 2005, it has a way to go to catch XBL circa 2008. This argument is old, and has yet to show much merit. PSN will start costing money before XBL becomes free. WHY should it be free? It's a closed network. Would I LIKE it to be free...sure. Do I think it SHOULD be free...no. They are providing a service that I'm willing to pay for. Why isn't cable TV free? Over the air transmissions are. It's the same concept.

If PSN is free, so should Xbox Live. PSN is actually going to surpass Xbox Live this year, and MS knows it (thus Avatars and the like).

If PSN was as good as live, it wouldn't be free. PSN is kind of like a grab bag...you don't know what you'll get with game. All games on XBL have certain features they HAVE to incorporate. This statement makes me wonder just how much you've actually used the systems if you truly think PSN is going to surpass XBL this year(which is something we've heard since before the systems came out).

Until Microsoft can EARN first place instead of attempting to buy it, the Xbox brand will always be behind the PlayStation brand... and now the Nintendo brand.

In case you didn't notice, this gen the playstation brand is behind the xbox brand.

For now.....

and you've provided nothing but IMO heavily biased opinions to support that will change any time soon. The ps3 released one of their biggest guns and it made little more than a blip on the radar, and most of the rest of them are quite far off.

AHUGECAT

Your argument was done once you mentioned the game library and sales.

The 360 has 42 games that have sold >1M copies (15 reached >2 M copies) compared to the PS3 which has 15 games that sold >1M copies (with only 6 selling >2M copies).

And on a side note, Forza 2 has sold more copies than any PS3 game (besides GTA4).