To everybody hating on Killzone 2's "generic" gameplay. READ

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.


But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

• Atmosphere
• Graphics
• Animations
• Lighting
• Physics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

I've played the beta, and I can tell you all right now that the physics alone make this game unlike ANY other FPS. The physics are VERY VERY life-like. That may turn some people off, but there's no doubt that the handling and physics of this game make tactics and movement very different from other shooters like COD4.

My point is, this isn't a game to be seen and judged, but to be played and judged, because it "feels" completely different from any other shooter because of the heavy reliance on physics.

Who on earth cares if Killzone 2 has innovation, is the gameplay as solid as Half Life 2? or Call of Duty 4? it looks like it's turning out that way, mix that with the graphics and animations and what more could you ask for? honestly? As IGN said Haters be damned because this game is going to be great.

Personally, as long as a game is fun to play, I don't care if it innovates. Although I don't have a PS3, I look forward to playing this game someday.

That being said, I just don't know how much more I can stand hearing about this game. Like with most other big games, I just wish the haters and lovers would stop talking about it for awhile. I understand why they don't, but it is a personal preference.

P.S. I love your sig. That was a great scene!

Personally, as long as a game is fun to play, I don't care if it innovates. Although I don't have a PS3, I look forward to playing this game someday.

That being said, I just don't know how much more I can stand hearing about this game. Like with most other big games, I just wish the haters and lovers would stop talking about it for awhile. I understand why they don't, but it is a personal preference.

P.S. I love your sig. That was a great scene!

aliasfreak

Not hating but do you know of any other areas but the gray factory areas? That is the only areas I have scene again and again. Is there anything at all other then the same gray buildings thru out the game?rybe1025

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Not hating but do you know of any other areas but the gray factory areas? That is the only areas I have scene again and again. Is there anything at all other then the same gray buildings thru out the game?angry_fork

Halo gets bashed all the time for being generic, if people are fine with that.. I don't see why KZ2 can't be bashed for it. And FAR OUT WITH THE KZ2 threads.. seriously needs a sticky.user_nat

Halo gets bashed because games like Call of Duty 4 and Resistance 2 are legitimately better, but Halo 3 gets all the sales and the multiplayer crown for some reason.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Not hating but do you know of any other areas but the gray factory areas? That is the only areas I have scene again and again. Is there anything at all other then the same gray buildings thru out the game?rybe1025

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.

But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

• Atmosphere
• Graphics
• Animations
• Lighting
• Physics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

angry_fork

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from, but I dissagree that FPS gameplay is finished, and I've been playing these games for a loooong time (see avatar).

In fact, the things you mention here are exactly what makes a generic FPS, where the dev simply concentrates on the game engine, and not on the gameplay.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.

But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

• Atmosphere
• Graphics
• Animations
• Lighting
• Physics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

SteezyZ

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from, but I dissagree that FPS gameplay is finished, and I've been playing these games for a loooong time (see avatar).

In fact, the things you mention here are exactly what makes a generic FPS, where the dev simply concentrates on the game engine, and not on the gameplay.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Not hating but do you know of any other areas but the gray factory areas? That is the only areas I have scene again and again. Is there anything at all other then the same gray buildings thru out the game?rybe1025

Helghasts cut all threes. They are not very nature friendly. It is all about industry.:P

Well I think it will be funny that Helghasts have nature parks, ZOO, and that sort of things

If you don't like the atmosphere in game that does not make it bad. I'm not saying it is good cause I have not played it jet. But saying that game is bad because of gray factories is BS

[QUOTE="SteezyZ"][QUOTE="angry_fork"]

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.

But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

• Atmosphere
• Graphics
• Animations
• Lighting
• Physics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

angry_fork

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from, but I dissagree that FPS gameplay is finished, and I've been playing these games for a loooong time (see avatar).

In fact, the things you mention here are exactly what makes a generic FPS, where the dev simply concentrates on the game engine, and not on the gameplay.

Actually, no, thank heavens devs don't think like you, since we'd be playing the same game over and over, only with better lighting. You really didn't understand what I was saying, did you? I'm saying that GAMEPLAY makes the game FUN, not how many assets the engine can throw around with realistic physics.

Not hating but do you know of any other areas but the gray factory areas? That is the only areas I have scene again and again. Is there anything at all other then the same gray buildings thru out the game?rybe1025

Not hating but do you know of any other areas but the gray factory areas? That is the only areas I have scene again and again. Is there anything at all other then the same gray buildings thru out the game?rybe1025

And yes you are hating!

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="SteezyZ"]

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from, but I dissagree that FPS gameplay is finished, and I've been playing these games for a loooong time (see avatar).

In fact, the things you mention here are exactly what makes a generic FPS, where the dev simply concentrates on the game engine, and not on the gameplay.

SteezyZ

Actually, no, thank heavens devs don't think like you, since we'd be playing the same game over and over, only with better lighting. You really didn't understand what I was saying, did you? I'm saying that GAMEPLAY makes the game FUN, not how many assets the engine can throw around with realistic physics.

1. I never said gameplay didn't make the game fun. If Killzone 2 has the same gameplay as Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, or Half Life 2, sign me up, screw "innovation", wanna know why? because you're mixing Half Life 2 gameplay WITH:

2. ATMOSPHERE, GRAPHICS, LIGHTING. All of this MIXED with the gameplay is what makes First Person Shooters now. You cannot convince me that First Person Shooters have room for more innovation, because there is no room left, someone would've thought of it by now, period. So how about you play the game first so you can feel the difference between other shooters, or STFU. No matter what you haters say us PS3 owners will be in bliss come February, and fanboys will lose.

the term generic is thrown around why too much imo. a game dones't need to add something completely new to be good, look at cod4 and halo 3. both great games but did they really innovate in terms of gameplay? no what they didn't do is have it's own identity. any game needs to have it own gameplay style like cod4's intensity and KZ2 is really about believeable enviornments and the weighty realistic feel when your fire the gun. you feel like your actually firing a weapons and not just some pee shotter. when the bullets hit you can tell with the amazing hit response. many games the bad guys just soak up bullet after bullet until they're health reaches zero and a death animation plays but in killzone 2 when each bullet hits the enemies gives an amazing reaction not seen in alot of games. this really adds to the feeling that your actually shooting a guns and you do have an effect in the world. don't care what anyone says but KZ2's gameplay looks amazing imo and it's a day one buy for meRagashahs

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="SteezyZ"]

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from, but I dissagree that FPS gameplay is finished, and I've been playing these games for a loooong time (see avatar).

In fact, the things you mention here are exactly what makes a generic FPS, where the dev simply concentrates on the game engine, and not on the gameplay.

SteezyZ

Actually, no, thank heavens devs don't think like you, since we'd be playing the same game over and over, only with better lighting. You really didn't understand what I was saying, did you? I'm saying that GAMEPLAY makes the game FUN, not how many assets the engine can throw around with realistic physics.

the sp campaign has a different cover system which is cool & better character animation for a more realistic feeling (those are interesting additions)... also to be honest there is always room for innovation in all genres but for FPS in end you'll still do the same in all of them move, run, shoot,duck, jump, throw grenade,shoot, run, duck,shoot,jump again and again.. the difference are in creating original stories, interesting plots & characters and updating the technical & visual aspects of the game pushing technology and raising the bar...

(in the end in todays FPS games you are still practically doing all the basic moves which have been done in wolfenstein 3D & Doom back in the early 90's...)

Not hating but do you know of any other areas but the gray factory areas? That is the only areas I have scene again and again. Is there anything at all other then the same gray buildings thru out the game?rybe1025

You should try looking at some of the new vids.

1. I never said gameplay didn't make the game fun. If Killzone 2 has the same gameplay as Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, or Half Life 2, sign me up, screw "innovation", wanna know why? because you're mixing Half Life 2 gameplay WITH:

2. ATMOSPHERE, GRAPHICS, LIGHTING. All of this MIXED with the gameplay is what makes First Person Shooters now. You cannot convince me that First Person Shooters have room for more innovation, because there is no room left, someone would've thought of it by now, period. So how about you play the game first so you can feel the difference between other shooters, or STFU. No matter what you haters say us PS3 owners will be in bliss come February, and fanboys will lose.

angry_fork

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]the term generic is thrown around why too much imo. a game dones't need to add something completely new to be good, look at cod4 and halo 3. both great games but did they really innovate in terms of gameplay? no what they didn't do is have it's own identity. any game needs to have it own gameplay style like cod4's intensity and KZ2 is really about believeable enviornments and the weighty realistic feel when your fire the gun. you feel like your actually firing a weapons and not just some pee shotter. when the bullets hit you can tell with the amazing hit response. many games the bad guys just soak up bullet after bullet until they're health reaches zero and a death animation plays but in killzone 2 when each bullet hits the enemies gives an amazing reaction not seen in alot of games. this really adds to the feeling that your actually shooting a guns and you do have an effect in the world. don't care what anyone says but KZ2's gameplay looks amazing imo and it's a day one buy for meSteezyZ

You'll have to play it for yourself to see what everyone is talking about... but KZ2 is not in danger of feeling like every other shooter at all.haze_blaze

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.angry_fork

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.


But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

AtmosphereGraphicsAnimationsLightingPhysics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

I've played the beta, and I can tell you all right now that the physics alone make this game unlike ANY other FPS. The physics are VERY VERY life-like. That may turn some people off, but there's no doubt that the handling and physics of this game make tactics and movement very different from other shooters like COD4.

My point is, this isn't a game to be seen and judged, but to be played and judged, because it "feels" completely different from any other shooter because of the heavy reliance on physics.

Who on earth cares if Killzone 2 has innovation, is the gameplay as solid as Half Life 2? or Call of Duty 4? it looks like it's turning out that way, mix that with the graphics and animations and what more could you ask for? honestly? As IGN said Haters be damned because this game is going to be great.

angry_fork

lol the death animations are seriously crap the way people fall is so fake and laughable.

the physics/destruction is more of a gimmick.

KZ2 looks pretty decent.But it doesn't do anything new or different compared with the likes of Gears or Halo,which came before it.

I think Cows need to accept that its a pretty run of the mill shooter, and stop hyping it as the second coming.

KZ2 looks pretty decent.But it doesn't do anything new or different compared with the likes of Gears or Halo,which came before it.

I think Cows need to accept that its a pretty run of the mill shooter, and stop hyping it as the second coming.

GabeNewellsPie

yeah right!!!!

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.


But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

• Atmosphere
• Graphics
• Animations
• Lighting
• Physics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

I've played the beta, and I can tell you all right now that the physics alone make this game unlike ANY other FPS. The physics are VERY VERY life-like. That may turn some people off, but there's no doubt that the handling and physics of this game make tactics and movement very different from other shooters like COD4.

My point is, this isn't a game to be seen and judged, but to be played and judged, because it "feels" completely different from any other shooter because of the heavy reliance on physics.

Who on earth cares if Killzone 2 has innovation, is the gameplay as solid as Half Life 2? or Call of Duty 4? it looks like it's turning out that way, mix that with the graphics and animations and what more could you ask for? honestly? As IGN said Haters be damned because this game is going to be great.

angry_fork

KZ2 looks pretty decent.But it doesn't do anything new or different compared with the likes of Gears or Halo,which came before it.

I think Cows need to accept that its a pretty run of the mill shooter, and stop hyping it as the second coming.

GabeNewellsPie

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.


But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

AtmosphereGraphicsAnimationsLightingPhysics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

I've played the beta, and I can tell you all right now that the physics alone make this game unlike ANY other FPS. The physics are VERY VERY life-like. That may turn some people off, but there's no doubt that the handling and physics of this game make tactics and movement very different from other shooters like COD4.

My point is, this isn't a game to be seen and judged, but to be played and judged, because it "feels" completely different from any other shooter because of the heavy reliance on physics.

Who on earth cares if Killzone 2 has innovation, is the gameplay as solid as Half Life 2? or Call of Duty 4? it looks like it's turning out that way, mix that with the graphics and animations and what more could you ask for? honestly? As IGN said Haters be damned because this game is going to be great.

Dynafrom

No....crysis warhead.

People here dont realise how big Killzone 2 will be.

The fact is this game will be incredible. One piece of evidence to support this is its delay, sony rathered getting the game perfect and missing christmas instead of getting it out before christmas.

The firsat person cover system looks brilliant, the whole game looks brilliant, this game reall is going to move consoles.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.


But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

• Atmosphere
• Graphics
• Animations
• Lighting
• Physics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

I've played the beta, and I can tell you all right now that the physics alone make this game unlike ANY other FPS. The physics are VERY VERY life-like. That may turn some people off, but there's no doubt that the handling and physics of this game make tactics and movement very different from other shooters like COD4.

My point is, this isn't a game to be seen and judged, but to be played and judged, because it "feels" completely different from any other shooter because of the heavy reliance on physics.

Who on earth cares if Killzone 2 has innovation, is the gameplay as solid as Half Life 2? or Call of Duty 4? it looks like it's turning out that way, mix that with the graphics and animations and what more could you ask for? honestly? As IGN said Haters be damned because this game is going to be great.

Dynafrom

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"][QUOTE="angry_fork"]

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.


But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

AtmosphereGraphicsAnimationsLightingPhysics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

I've played the beta, and I can tell you all right now that the physics alone make this game unlike ANY other FPS. The physics are VERY VERY life-like. That may turn some people off, but there's no doubt that the handling and physics of this game make tactics and movement very different from other shooters like COD4.

My point is, this isn't a game to be seen and judged, but to be played and judged, because it "feels" completely different from any other shooter because of the heavy reliance on physics.

Who on earth cares if Killzone 2 has innovation, is the gameplay as solid as Half Life 2? or Call of Duty 4? it looks like it's turning out that way, mix that with the graphics and animations and what more could you ask for? honestly? As IGN said Haters be damned because this game is going to be great.

homedontplaydat

No....crysis warhead.

Fanboys will think the gameplay looks generic because *gasp* they can't play it. Others will just think it looks generic because they have never played it or there is no glaring innovation. There really isn't much room left to innovate in the FPS genre. Let the haters hate, Killzone 2 looks phenomenal. Graphics, gameplay, atmosphere, multiplayer, everything has gotten alot of praise. I do think this game needs a sticky btw.

As for the mention of Gears of War and Halo. Gears of War did not innovate, simply refined. Cover systems have been used since the NES days. In fact one of my favorite games on the NES back around the time it was released was a game where you simply went down a corridor taking cover behind brick walls and popping/tossing grenades at bad guys on the horizon. I don't remember the name of it but it was soooooo much fun. It's been too long. Halo did mild innovations like the weapon configurations (only being able to hold 2) and the one button grenade throw. But that's about it.

I do think this game needs a sticky btw.

Puckhog04

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"][QUOTE="angry_fork"]

News flash: FPS Gameplay is pretty much finished, there is nomore huge OMFG innovation that developers can do to make FPS "different" then COD4, Halo, etc.


But guess what they can do? CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE.

• Atmosphere
• Graphics
• Animations
• Lighting
• Physics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all.

I've played the beta, and I can tell you all right now that the physics alone make this game unlike ANY other FPS. The physics are VERY VERY life-like. That may turn some people off, but there's no doubt that the handling and physics of this game make tactics and movement very different from other shooters like COD4.

My point is, this isn't a game to be seen and judged, but to be played and judged, because it "feels" completely different from any other shooter because of the heavy reliance on physics.

Who on earth cares if Killzone 2 has innovation, is the gameplay as solid as Half Life 2? or Call of Duty 4? it looks like it's turning out that way, mix that with the graphics and animations and what more could you ask for? honestly? As IGN said Haters be damned because this game is going to be great.

DragonfireXZ95

Crysis has the same atmosphere as Killzone 2? are you serious?

Why do you people keep mentioning Crysis? PC's will always be better graphically then consoles, this is FACT. Crysis is the best looking game out right now and will be for 2009, this is FACT.

WE KNOW THIS, so WHY do you people constantly bring it up? I'm talking about CONSOLES, nobody cares about your dam PC games we already acknowledge that they look the best, there's no need to mention them in every single graphics-topic 20,000 times.

[QUOTE="user_nat"]Halo gets bashed all the time for being generic, if people are fine with that.. I don't see why KZ2 can't be bashed for it. And FAR OUT WITH THE KZ2 threads.. seriously needs a sticky.angry_fork

Halo gets bashed because games like Call of Duty 4 and Resistance 2 are legitimately better,but Halo 3 gets all the sales and the multiplayer crown for some reason.

Maybe because it is a funner game. And how are those two games legitimately better than Halo 3?

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]

[QUOTE="user_nat"]Halo gets bashed all the time for being generic, if people are fine with that.. I don't see why KZ2 can't be bashed for it. And FAR OUT WITH THE KZ2 threads.. seriously needs a sticky.BudsMcGreen

Halo gets bashed because games like Call of Duty 4 and Resistance 2 are legitimately better,but Halo 3 gets all the sales and the multiplayer crown for some reason.

Maybe because it is a funner game. And how are those two games legitimately better than Halo 3?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Dynafrom"] I have to do this. Crysis?angry_fork

Crysis has the same atmosphere as Killzone 2? are you serious?

Why do you people keep mentioning Crysis? PC's will always be better graphically then consoles, this is FACT. Crysis is the best looking game out right now and will be for 2009, this is FACT.

WE KNOW THIS, so WHY do you people constantly bring it up? I'm talking about CONSOLES, nobody cares about your dam PC games we already acknowledge that they look the best, there's no need to mention them in every single graphics-topic 20,000 times.

"* Atmosphere * Graphics * Animations * Lighting * Physics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all."

We're talking about all of those things combined in one game.. Not just graphics... :roll:

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] I was going to say that. Crysis did everything already that he is boasting about KZ2... Sorry TC, you fail.DragonfireXZ95

Crysis has the same atmosphere as Killzone 2? are you serious?

Why do you people keep mentioning Crysis? PC's will always be better graphically then consoles, this is FACT. Crysis is the best looking game out right now and will be for 2009, this is FACT.

WE KNOW THIS, so WHY do you people constantly bring it up? I'm talking about CONSOLES, nobody cares about your dam PC games we already acknowledge that they look the best, there's no need to mention them in every single graphics-topic 20,000 times.

"* Atmosphere * Graphics * Animations * Lighting * Physics

^ALL of these things are done differently, and in my opinion, BETTER then ANY other FPS on the market right now. All of these things change the game completely and whether you want to admit it or not, it DOES make the game more FUN if it has the right combination of all."

We're talking about all of those things combined in one game.. Not just graphics... :roll: