To see how far Square/Enix has fallen, look at the Mana series.....

I'd say wait until Dragon Quest X the MMO comes out before we jump the gun and say they haven't ruined DQ just yet.

Good points overall though. Always wanted to play Seiken Densetsu 3.

well at least a different tc made this thread. On topic never been into the mana series. I still enjoy thier FF though.

The reason I don't think their is any new Mana games since 2007 is because the person behind the series is the founder of Grezzo Games which is making games for Nintendo now.

Because his resent games were Line Attack Heroes (Wiiware), Legend of Zelda Four Swords Anniversary (DSiware/eShop), and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (3DS)

They only made one new game and two remakes for Nintendo.

Secret of Mana 1 is overrated.

Secret of Mana 1 is overrated.

madsnakehhh

well at least a different tc made this thread. On topic never been into the mana series. I still enjoy thier FF though.

finalfantasy94

This isn't the first time texas has made a thread bashing JRPGs.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

well at least a different tc made this thread. On topic never been into the mana series. I still enjoy thier FF though.

DJ-Lafleur

This isn't the first time texas has made a thread bashing JRPGs.

Yea I know but at least he not shooting them off like a machine gun like a certain someone.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

well at least a different tc made this thread. On topic never been into the mana series. I still enjoy thier FF though.

DJ-Lafleur

This isn't the first time texas has made a thread bashing JRPGs.

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

well at least a different tc made this thread. On topic never been into the mana series. I still enjoy thier FF though.

texasgoldrush

This isn't the first time texas has made a thread bashing JRPGs.

I suppose I haven't, no.

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Secret of Mana 1 is overrated.

texasgoldrush

Secret of Mana on the SNES.

Oh and indeed, SD3 was godly.

LoM is awesome, still have my ps1 copy. As for SE, yeah they are terrible. Not sure how the fanboys can still defend them at this point. Although, the Star Ocean series isn't quite dead yet, I still enjoy it. Kojima is right, japan just doesn't know what the industry wants anymore.

Looks like LoM is on PSN,anyone knows the price?MonsieurX

6 bucks.

LoM is awesome, still have my ps1 copy. As for SE, yeah they are terrible. Not sure how the fanboys can still defend them at this point. Although, the Star Ocean series isn't quite dead yet, I still enjoy it. Kojima is right, japan just doesn't know what the industry wants anymore.

SkyRaid

so people who enjoy thier games still are fanboys??

Looks like LoM is on PSN,anyone knows the price?MonsieurX

[QUOTE="SkyRaid"]

LoM is awesome, still have my ps1 copy. As for SE, yeah they are terrible. Not sure how the fanboys can still defend them at this point. Although, the Star Ocean series isn't quite dead yet, I still enjoy it. Kojima is right, japan just doesn't know what the industry wants anymore.

finalfantasy94

so people who enjoy thier games still are fanboys??

Apparently. I've also enjoyed SE's recent offerings, despite how how badly they were critically and commercially, that stuff doesn't concern me. Still had a fun time romping through some of the latest offerings.

[QUOTE="SkyRaid"]

LoM is awesome, still have my ps1 copy. As for SE, yeah they are terrible. Not sure how the fanboys can still defend them at this point. Although, the Star Ocean series isn't quite dead yet, I still enjoy it. Kojima is right, japan just doesn't know what the industry wants anymore.

finalfantasy94

so people who enjoy thier games still are fanboys??

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="SkyRaid"]

LoM is awesome, still have my ps1 copy. As for SE, yeah they are terrible. Not sure how the fanboys can still defend them at this point. Although, the Star Ocean series isn't quite dead yet, I still enjoy it. Kojima is right, japan just doesn't know what the industry wants anymore.

SkyRaid

so people who enjoy thier games still are fanboys??

I actually liked the steps they have taken with the series. FF is always changing and seems 132 did listen to fans from 13 since they did change some things like side missions and less linear. Thats why I enjoy FF cause its always changing so its always feels like a different experaince. Wheter you like it or not is just opinoin.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="SkyRaid"]

LoM is awesome, still have my ps1 copy. As for SE, yeah they are terrible. Not sure how the fanboys can still defend them at this point. Although, the Star Ocean series isn't quite dead yet, I still enjoy it. Kojima is right, japan just doesn't know what the industry wants anymore.

MLBknights58

so people who enjoy thier games still are fanboys??

Apparently. I've also enjoyed SE's recent offerings, despite how how badly they were critically and commercially, that stuff doesn't concern me. Still had a fun time romping through some of the latest offerings.

The werid thing is its not even recevied that badly review wise. 8 is actually a great score. Just seems some people think if it doesint score 9+ its awful.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Looks like LoM is on PSN,anyone knows the price?finalfantasy94

6 bucks.

Speaking of Secret of Mana, how come the only remake we get of that game is for the freaking iphone?! I would kill to be able to play it on my 3ds.

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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

so people who enjoy thier games still are fanboys??

finalfantasy94

Apparently. I've also enjoyed SE's recent offerings, despite how how badly they were critically and commercially, that stuff doesn't concern me. Still had a fun time romping through some of the latest offerings.

The werid thing is its not even recevied that badly review wise. 8 is actually a great score. Just seems some people think if it doesint score 9+ its awful.

FF XIII was a great game, I felt it actually deserved higher than an 8. That titlefrom SE was a big success. Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery however..

still fun games to play though, rent first or buy extremely cheap used.

http://www.gamespot.com/users/WilliamRLBaker/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25931614

Agreed with every thing except LOM which was truely a horrible game it wasn't that they were trying to apply anything to LOM its that it was truely a horrible game.

I've never played a Mana game. Not sure if I'll ever bother to.

Speaking of Secret of Mana, how come the only remake we get of that game is for the freaking iphone?! I would kill to be able to play it on my 3ds.

xLittlekillx

http://www.gamespot.com/users/WilliamRLBaker/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25931614

Agreed with every thing except LOM which was truely a horrible game it wasn't that they were trying to apply anything to LOM its that it was truely a horrible game.

WilliamRLBaker

Well they are starting to put out some big games, last couple of years and some coming out this year and next year.

FF13, Nier (extremely underrated), FF13-2, FFversus 13, Dues Ex:Human Revolution, Hitman Absolution, Tomb Raider, thats just off the top of my head.

Not to mention they are one of the best handheld publishers, they get way to much hate.

Legend of Mana was possibly my most played game growing up, which is odd because otherwise I have no interest in most JRPG's. LoM is, coincidentally, the only PSX game I've rebought over PSN.

Secret of Evermore is also a great game.

Well they are starting to put out some big games, last couple of years and some coming out this year and next year.

FF13, Nier (extremely underrated), FF13-2, FFversus 13, Dues Ex:Human Revolution, Hitman Absolution, Tomb Raider, thats just off the top of my head.

Not to mention they are one of the best handheld publishers, they get way to much hate.

crimsonman1245

Deus Ex,Tomb raider, Hitman are not being made by SE, or more precisly the teams that make their JRPG"S.

The JRPG"s you listed one is considered by many including myself to be the worst FF in history one is a sequal to the worst FF in history and looks to be a very cheap cash grab and the other one, FFversus is no where in sight.

I think JRPG"s SE has made of late are terrible, for once I agree with Texas Squaresoft>>>>>>>Square Enix

Personally I think the moment Sakaguchi left Square was doomed, its like Miyamoto leaves nintendo or Kojima leaving Konami.

Square-Enix have problem selecting what Director and its personel to do the game.....(its happen on FF13 and FF13-2 but with good result on 3rd B-day and Type-Zero)

Forget the mana series....Look at the Chrono series....How did they find a way to mess up that?

We hear so much on how Final Fantasy is declining in quality, but SE also killed the Mana/Seiken Densetsu series as well. The first four SD/Mana games were awesome. The first game, which was FF Adventure over in the US was only rivaled by Links Awakening. Secret of Mana is a classic, SD3 is incredible, maybe the best in the series, with excellent replay value (why hasn't it been offically released in the US and why is SE continuing to be stupid in that regard?). And Legend of Mana is grossly underrated due to idiot reviews trying to apply traditional JRPG standards to a game that was not a traditional JRPG (Really LoM had actual "role playing" for a JRPG). While LoM had some problems, such as the very last mission and the convoluted crafting systems, the game was fantastic. Then comes the downfall, Sword of Mana was an atrocious remake of the first game, Dawn of Mana was an abomination, Children of Mana was a meh dungeon crawler, and Heroes of Mana was a laughable RTS, which being a prequel to SD3, makes SE not releasing SD3 offically in the US more stupid. There has been no new Mana game since 2007, I wonder why. The fall of SE as a developer continues. Is Dragon Quest the only development property they have thats not completely ruined?texasgoldrush

I still play Legend of Man, what a game

Square is crap after FF10, that is why they are making a HD version of it

The thing is that all their talent went to Mistwalker, along with FF father

Square are always best when they let their people take the big risks without interupting.

FF6, FF7, FFT, The World Ends With You, Dragon Quest 8 etc etc.

When the suits at the top starts poking around it all goes to hell. FF12 is a perfect example of that. Could have been mind-blowing but they forced Vaan into the game to connect with younger players because they didn't think Balthier would be god enough. They straight up effed that game up with internal changes so the game wasn't even finished when it shipped. The story was supposed to continue for another 10h and have actual closure. I didn't help that they put the blame on Yasumi Matsuno and straight up fired him for their own decisions.!

Hate you S-E :evil:

Could have been mind-blowing but they forced Vaan into the game to connect with younger players because they didn't think Balthier would be god enough. ....JLF1MarkII

Forget the mana series....Look at the Chrono series....How did they find a way to mess up that?

dreman999

Square are always best when they let their people take the big risks without interupting. FF6, FF7, FFT, The World Ends With You, Dragon Quest 8 etc etc.When the suits at the top starts poking around it all goes to hell. FF12 is a perfect example of that. Could have been mind-blowing but they forced Vaan into the game to connect with younger players because they didn't think Balthier would be god enough. They straight up effed that game up with internal changes so the game wasn't even finished when it shipped. The story was supposed to continue for another 10h and have actual closure. I didn't help that they put the blame on Yasumi Matsuno and straight up fired him for their own decisions.! Hate you S-E :evil:JLF1MarkII

Well they are starting to put out some big games, last couple of years and some coming out this year and next year.

FF13, Nier (extremely underrated), FF13-2, FFversus 13, Dues Ex:Human Revolution, Hitman Absolution, Tomb Raider, thats just off the top of my head.

Not to mention they are one of the best handheld publishers, they get way to much hate.

crimsonman1245