Too early to complain about PS4?

I just posted a comment on another thread stating that the PS4 looks worse than a PC running Crysis 3. I can easily believe that, but even though the trailers were a little less than what I expected, I want to point out that these are also the first games being released on this console. Here are the screen shot comparisons I put up on my other comment about how far this gen has come:

(Mass Effect 1)

(Mass Effect 3)

(Dead Space 1)

(Dead Space 3)

It's pretty clear that there's a huge difference, so why are so many people complaining when the full capabilities of the system are barely being reached yet.

Anyone else think it's a little too early to complain?

given sony's track record i guess disappointment should be expected. 

given sony's track record i guess disappointment should be expected. 

KarateeeChop

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

given sony's track record i guess disappointment should be expected. 

heeweesRus

Yep I agree PS1 and PS2 were both amazing Consoles, probably the best of all time besides the NES. Sony got the hardware right this time with PS4, Devs love it, gamers love it. They are in a good position right now.

I just posted a comment on another thread stating that the PS4 looks worse than a PC running Crysis 3. I can easily believe that, but even though the trailers were a little less than what I expected, I want to point out that these are also the first games being released on this console. Here are the screen shot comparisons I put up on my other comment about how far this gen has come:

 

(Mass Effect 1)

 

(Mass Effect 3)

 

(Dead Space 1)

 

(Dead Space 3)

It's pretty clear that there's a huge difference, so why are so many people complaining when the full capabilities of the system are barely being reached yet.

Anyone else think it's a little too early to complain?

Oozyrat

The current gen console versions do not look ANYTHING like the bullshots you posted. Only thing that can achieve that level of detail in those games is a high end PC maxing the game at 1080p and using a ton of AA.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

given sony's track record i guess disappointment should be expected. 

heeweesRus

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

given sony's track record i guess disappointment should be expected. 

heeweesRus

You're replying to KarateeeChop ...:lol:

Never too early to voice your discontent.

But it could also indicate you're unrealistic, self-entitled zero.  Know your biases.

I'm still trying to decide if it's sad or pathetic that hermits have gone from bashing "linear and scripted" console games to trying to pass the off as ownage. 

[QUOTE="Oozyrat"]

I just posted a comment on another thread stating that the PS4 looks worse than a PC running Crysis 3. I can easily believe that, but even though the trailers were a little less than what I expected, I want to point out that these are also the first games being released on this console. Here are the screen shot comparisons I put up on my other comment about how far this gen has come:

 

(Mass Effect 1)

 

(Mass Effect 3)

 

(Dead Space 1)

 

(Dead Space 3)

It's pretty clear that there's a huge difference, so why are so many people complaining when the full capabilities of the system are barely being reached yet.

Anyone else think it's a little too early to complain?

argetlam00

The current gen console versions do not look ANYTHING like the bullshots you posted. Only thing that can achieve that level of detail in those games is a high end PC maxing the game at 1080p and using a ton of AA.

It's never too early for all the haters to damage control and make fools out of themselves.

For example:

given sony's track record i guess disappointment should be expected. 

KarateeeChop

i dont know anybody thats complaining. Ps4 has very good specs.  Most arguing happens when you compare it to pc.          Hems/cows going har har and hermits under damage control saying congrats you have caught up but NOT AS MUCH as pc.  

Regardless i dont think anybody is disappointed in ps4 specs, seems very solid for a console. 

I just posted a comment on another thread stating that the PS4 looks worse than a PC running Crysis 3. I can easily believe that, but even though the trailers were a little less than what I expected, I want to point out that these are also the first games being released on this console. Here are the screen shot comparisons I put up on my other comment about how far this gen has come:

 

(Mass Effect 1)

 

(Mass Effect 3)

 

(Dead Space 1)

 

(Dead Space 3)

It's pretty clear that there's a huge difference, so why are so many people complaining when the full capabilities of the system are barely being reached yet.

Anyone else think it's a little too early to complain?

Oozyrat

Actually showing off the console would have been nice. A bit disappointing with specs, other than 8gb of GDDR5 unified ram.

imo, they should have waited 1 year, to really push for a 4k native resolution console. It would have worked with their Televsion division as well.  GDDR6/DDR4 memories are just around the corner. SSDs would be cheaper. et,. etc. 

ps4 is the first console to ever use a amd processor.

Actually showing off the console would have been nice. A bit disappointing with specs, other than 8gb of GDDR5 unified ram.

imo, they should have waited 1 year, to really push for a 4k native resolution console. It would have worked with their Televsion division as well.  GDDR6/DDR4 memories are just around the corner. SSDs would be cheaper. et,. etc. 

Led_poison

4k to actually play games in is basically impossible, unless you are talking about simply stretching a 1080p render to fit on a 4k . 

For a game to actually render in true 4k content  that actually uses latest graphic advancements is about  5-7 years of gpu tech in the future. 

Keep dreaming about that 4k  . If you are willing to pay 20 k for your 4k tv and 100 k for your game console, you can play 4k .

I just posted a comment on another thread stating that the PS4 looks worse than a PC running Crysis 3. I can easily believe that, but even though the trailers were a little less than what I expected, I want to point out that these are also the first games being released on this console. Here are the screen shot comparisons I put up on my other comment about how far this gen has come:

 

(Mass Effect 1)

 

(Mass Effect 3)

 

(Dead Space 1)

 

(Dead Space 3)

It's pretty clear that there's a huge difference, so why are so many people complaining when the full capabilities of the system are barely being reached yet.

Anyone else think it's a little too early to complain?

Oozyrat

funny that all those images that are described as the better versions are actually pc screen shots.  You got pc screen shot of mass effect, and you got pc screen shot of deadspace 3. 

COWS still delirious 

Actually showing off the console would have been nice. A bit disappointing with specs, other than 8gb of GDDR5 unified ram.

imo, they should have waited 1 year, to really push for a 4k native resolution console. It would have worked with their Televsion division as well.  GDDR6/DDR4 memories are just around the corner. SSDs would be cheaper. et,. etc. 

Led_poison

[QUOTE="Led_poison"]

Actually showing off the console would have been nice. A bit disappointing with specs, other than 8gb of GDDR5 unified ram.

imo, they should have waited 1 year, to really push for a 4k native resolution console. It would have worked with their Televsion division as well.  GDDR6/DDR4 memories are just around the corner. SSDs would be cheaper. et,. etc. 

hardmicro

[QUOTE="Led_poison"]

Actually showing off the console would have been nice. A bit disappointing with specs, other than 8gb of GDDR5 unified ram.

imo, they should have waited 1 year, to really push for a 4k native resolution console. It would have worked with their Televsion division as well.  GDDR6/DDR4 memories are just around the corner. SSDs would be cheaper. et,. etc. 

hardmicro

This section of the forums is going to be complaints no matter what, Its SYSTEM WARS.      We all come here to troll and stroke epeen

[QUOTE="hardmicro"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]

Actually showing off the console would have been nice. A bit disappointing with specs, other than 8gb of GDDR5 unified ram.

imo, they should have waited 1 year, to really push for a 4k native resolution console. It would have worked with their Televsion division as well.  GDDR6/DDR4 memories are just around the corner. SSDs would be cheaper. et,. etc. 

heeweesRus

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="hardmicro"] Ive seen his said a couple of times, and its triple face palm worthy! Who gives a sh!t if they didnt show the console I think major nelson started this non sense with his delusional tweet Major nelson and all the other delusional corporate fat cats at Microsoft need to be publically tar'd and feathered. Anyway, Sony put all the focus on the games , like it should be, and on innovative gaming specific features for gaming If you want to see a presentation that will focus on everything else but games, then watch Microsoft's conference When I was watching the PS4 reveal I was blown away and giddy with excitiment for the PS4 No way did I ever think people could complain about Sony actually focusing on gamers, being genuine, and passionately making a great product for us etc That just goes to show that no matter how amazing, theres always losers out there with no life, who are pissed off at the world, and who just want to hate hate and hate The real fans out there appreciate you Sony and what you are trying to do with the PS4! Please keep doing what you are doing Sony:) Sony supports the core gamer so show support back! Lets send the right message It would be so counter intuitive to get behind the very anti consumer Microsofthardmicro

[QUOTE="hardmicro"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]

Actually showing off the console would have been nice. A bit disappointing with specs, other than 8gb of GDDR5 unified ram.

imo, they should have waited 1 year, to really push for a 4k native resolution console. It would have worked with their Televsion division as well.  GDDR6/DDR4 memories are just around the corner. SSDs would be cheaper. et,. etc. 

lunar1122

This section of the forums is going to be complaints no matter what, Its SYSTEM WARS.      We all come here to troll and stroke epeen

[QUOTE="lunar1122"]

[QUOTE="hardmicro"] Ive seen this said a couple of times, and its triple face palm worthy! Who gives a sh!t if they didnt show the console I think major nelson started this non sense with his delusional tweet Major nelson and all the other delusional corporate fat cats at Microsoft need to be publically tar'd and feathered. Anyway, Sony put all the focus on the games , like it should be, and on innovative gaming specific features for gaming If you want to see a presentation that will focus on everything else but games, then watch Microsoft's conference When I was watching the PS4 reveal I was blown away and giddy with excitiment for the PS4 No way did I ever think people could complain about Sony actually focusing on gamers, being genuine, and passionately making a great product for us etc That just goes to show that no matter how amazing, theres always losers out there with no life, who are pissed off at the world, and who just want to hate hate and hate The real fans out there appreciate you Sony and what you are trying to do with the PS4! Please keep doing what you are doing Sony:) Sony supports the core gamer so show support back! Lets send the right message It would be so counter intuitive to get behind the very anti consumer Microsofthardmicro

This section of the forums is going to be complaints no matter what, Its SYSTEM WARS.      We all come here to troll and stroke epeen

i wouldnt say its a minority when its activity dwarfs every other forum sub-section by hugeeeeeeeee amounts on gamespot.    You gotta have a thick skin to survive in here, only the best trolls will live to fight another day

[QUOTE="hardmicro"][QUOTE="lunar1122"]

 

This section of the forums is going to be complaints no matter what, Its SYSTEM WARS.      We all come here to troll and stroke epeen

lunar1122

i wouldnt say its a minority when its activity dwarfs every other forum sub-section by hugeeeeeeeee amounts on gamespot.    You gotta have a thick skin to survive in here, only the best trolls will live to fight another day

Can't complain about the system itself. The tech is impressive for a console, and the new features look good.

Only thing I'd complain about is what they showed in terms of first-party games. More Killzone, more inFamous, some guy j*zzing himself on stage over virtual cars, Media Molecule wasting their time on a peripheral no one cares about, and some game with a stupid robot.

When the best things you're showing are being developed by third parties like Jon Blow, Ubisoft, Bungie, Blizzard, Square, Capcom, etc, you know your internal teams have problems.

Can't complain about the system itself. The tech is impressive for a console, and the new features look good.

Only thing I'd complain about is what they showed in terms of first-party games. More Killzone, more inFamous, some guy j*zzing himself on stage over virtual cars, Media Molecule wasting their time on a peripheral no one cares about, and some game with a stupid robot.

When the best things you're showing are being developed by third parties like Jon Blow, Ubisoft, Bungie, Blizzard, Square, Capcom, etc, you know your internal teams have problems.

DarkLink77

Watch dogs looks amazing though..  

Can't complain about the system itself. The tech is impressive for a console, and the new features look good.

Only thing I'd complain about is what they showed in terms of first-party games. More Killzone, more inFamous, some guy j*zzing himself on stage over virtual cars, Media Molecule wasting their time on a peripheral no one cares about, and some game with a stupid robot.

When the best things you're showing are being developed by third parties like Jon Blow, Ubisoft, Bungie, Blizzard, Square, Capcom, etc, you know your internal teams have problems.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Can't complain about the system itself. The tech is impressive for a console, and the new features look good.

Only thing I'd complain about is what they showed in terms of first-party games. More Killzone, more inFamous, some guy j*zzing himself on stage over virtual cars, Media Molecule wasting their time on a peripheral no one cares about, and some game with a stupid robot.

When the best things you're showing are being developed by third parties like Jon Blow, Ubisoft, Bungie, Blizzard, Square, Capcom, etc, you know your internal teams have problems.

lunar1122

Watch dogs looks amazing though..  

No.

You're on an internet forum, complaining is to be expected.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Can't complain about the system itself. The tech is impressive for a console, and the new features look good.

Only thing I'd complain about is what they showed in terms of first-party games. More Killzone, more inFamous, some guy j*zzing himself on stage over virtual cars, Media Molecule wasting their time on a peripheral no one cares about, and some game with a stupid robot.

When the best things you're showing are being developed by third parties like Jon Blow, Ubisoft, Bungie, Blizzard, Square, Capcom, etc, you know your internal teams have problems.

lunar1122

Watch dogs looks amazing though..  

All we got from Sony was more Killzone, more inFamous, a driving game, a Move game that no one cares about, and a game with a robot.

I know which games I'm more interested in. (Hint: I listed them on the first line).

[QUOTE="lunar1122"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Can't complain about the system itself. The tech is impressive for a console, and the new features look good.

Only thing I'd complain about is what they showed in terms of first-party games. More Killzone, more inFamous, some guy j*zzing himself on stage over virtual cars, Media Molecule wasting their time on a peripheral no one cares about, and some game with a stupid robot.

When the best things you're showing are being developed by third parties like Jon Blow, Ubisoft, Bungie, Blizzard, Square, Capcom, etc, you know your internal teams have problems.

hardmicro

Watch dogs looks amazing though..  

[QUOTE="hardmicro"][QUOTE="lunar1122"]

 

Watch dogs looks amazing though..  

whiskeystrike

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Can't complain about the system itself. The tech is impressive for a console, and the new features look good.

Only thing I'd complain about is what they showed in terms of first-party games. More Killzone, more inFamous, some guy j*zzing himself on stage over virtual cars, Media Molecule wasting their time on a peripheral no one cares about, and some game with a stupid robot.

When the best things you're showing are being developed by third parties like Jon Blow, Ubisoft, Bungie, Blizzard, Square, Capcom, etc, you know your internal teams have problems.

hardmicro

Proven delusional hating troll? You mean how I was praising the console and the tech and the ideas behind it? Pfft. Okay, brofists.

Um... yeah, I am upset by Microsoft's first party because it blows. Forza is boring and always has been, Halo sucks now that 343 has their filthy hands on it, and Gears is played out. And I've been saying all those things forever. Selective reading must be a b!tch.

Don't care. More Killzone is more Killzone. It's still boring and played out.

Guessing inFamous will look like more inFamous. You know, sequels and all that.

Why? So it's cool to complain about one series being played out but not another? Double standards are fun, yo.

I would rather have had then trot out the big guns like Team Ico or SSM or Naughty Dog. Instead they trotted out all of their B-teams and you expect me to be impressed? What they did is like Microsoft trotting out 343i: disgusting.

But whatever, man. I have zero f*cks to give about your opinion.

I'm pretty sure the Wii didn't win this gen if you think about it. Sure it sold more consoles, but how many million of those were free with TVs? And what's the console/games ratio on the Wii? I'm sure it's a whole less than that console/game ratio on the Ps3 and XB360.

PS4 graphics will beat anything available yet. Killzone: Shadow Fall is better than Crysis.

[QUOTE="Oozyrat"]

I just posted a comment on another thread stating that the PS4 looks worse than a PC running Crysis 3. I can easily believe that, but even though the trailers were a little less than what I expected, I want to point out that these are also the first games being released on this console. Here are the screen shot comparisons I put up on my other comment about how far this gen has come:

 

(Mass Effect 1)

 

(Mass Effect 3)

 

(Dead Space 1)

 

(Dead Space 3)

It's pretty clear that there's a huge difference, so why are so many people complaining when the full capabilities of the system are barely being reached yet.

Anyone else think it's a little too early to complain?

argetlam00

The current gen console versions do not look ANYTHING like the bullshots you posted. Only thing that can achieve that level of detail in those games is a high end PC maxing the game at 1080p and using a ton of AA.

Dead Space 3 and Mass Effect 3 look practically identical to the screenshots when I run them on my 360. Also, I believe all of these screenshots are taken from 360. Either way, the comparison to these photos and my gameplay experiences are incredibly close. Also, even if they were PC screens, my argument is not effected. PC engines are updated just like the consoles, technically these games were made in the same gen for all platforms and have greatly improved the graphics from their predecessors.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

given sony's track record i guess disappointment should be expected. 

heeweesRus

Sony didn't make the N64.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="Oozyrat"]

I just posted a comment on another thread stating that the PS4 looks worse than a PC running Crysis 3. I can easily believe that, but even though the trailers were a little less than what I expected, I want to point out that these are also the first games being released on this console. Here are the screen shot comparisons I put up on my other comment about how far this gen has come:

 

(Mass Effect 1)

 

(Mass Effect 3)

 

(Dead Space 1)

 

(Dead Space 3)

It's pretty clear that there's a huge difference, so why are so many people complaining when the full capabilities of the system are barely being reached yet.

Anyone else think it's a little too early to complain?

Oozyrat

The current gen console versions do not look ANYTHING like the bullshots you posted. Only thing that can achieve that level of detail in those games is a high end PC maxing the game at 1080p and using a ton of AA.

Dead Space 3 and Mass Effect 3 look practically identical to the screenshots when I run them on my 360. Also, I believe all of these screenshots are taken from 360. Either way, the comparison to these photos and my gameplay experiences are incredibly close. Also, even if they were PC screens, my argument is not effected. PC engines are updated just like the consoles, technically these games were made in the same gen for all platforms and have greatly improved the graphics from their predecessors.

I'm pretty sure these are running on PC. Also, you're arugment is affected, since PC graphics increase more over the course of the gen more than console graphics do.

The whole conference was underwhelming, especially on the game part, provided the enormous hype built up pre-event. Though I think that Sony not showing the PS4 was a good move, at least they should focus more on the games, instead they brag about all the crappy sh!t and leave us with only 3 new first party IPs (at least one of which no one would give a fvck about), borezone ( no offense to cows, but I think this one will just be another generic FPS with nice graphics that cater to low class graphic whore; seriously Guerrilla, can you make anything else?), and another Infamous.

3rd party games are good, but not excellent. Blizzard announcement was a fvcking joke, and need I say more about Square Enix? The new Watch Dog demo was ok, but it brought nothing new, we could get more information from the E3 demo last year compared to this demo. Deep down trailer was nice, but we know nothing about the gameplay.

There's nothing about graphics that i'm gonna complain about, they look really, really good. My PC can't even do that kind of graphics, so it's pointless to me to complain about how PS4 cannot beat top of the line PC, it's the games that I found rather disappointing.

I'm just gonna be that little annoying voice in your head that tries to remind you graphics don't mean sh*t unless the game relies on them because the gameplay is pretty hollow (which can be said for most games this gen... so I guess graphics do mean something to most of you because you have nothing else to rely on).

No matter how you look at it, it is too early to complain about the PS4, it is not even out yet, no one knows a thing about the console or how it performs, not one. Not even the Devs.

So yeah it is far too early.

I just posted a comment on another thread stating that the PS4 looks worse 

Oozyrat

You've seen the PS4!  :shock:

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

given sony's track record i guess disappointment should be expected. 

Link3301

Sony didn't make the N64.

[QUOTE="Oozyrat"]

I just posted a comment on another thread stating that the PS4 looks worse 

ConanTheStoner

You've seen the PS4!  :shock:

Lol :D techincally the thread/poster would have seen it ("another thread stating" not me). Sorry, I really didn't see that it could've been misread. Here we go - "I just posted a comment on another thread and the thread creator believed the PS4 was less powerful than a PC." :)

[QUOTE="lunar1122"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Can't complain about the system itself. The tech is impressive for a console, and the new features look good.

Only thing I'd complain about is what they showed in terms of first-party games. More Killzone, more inFamous, some guy j*zzing himself on stage over virtual cars, Media Molecule wasting their time on a peripheral no one cares about, and some game with a stupid robot.

When the best things you're showing are being developed by third parties like Jon Blow, Ubisoft, Bungie, Blizzard, Square, Capcom, etc, you know your internal teams have problems.

DarkLink77

Watch dogs looks amazing though..  

All we got from Sony was more Killzone, more inFamous, a driving game, a Move game that no one cares about, and a game with a robot.

I know which games I'm more interested in. (Hint: I listed them on the first line).

Um... that game with a robot (Knack) comes from a guy who has a pretty stellar background when it comes to those types of games. If these games are in the launch window, with perhaps more to be announced, then it looks like some good diversity.

A FPS, 3rd person action game, platformer stylized, driving, something for the Move for those interested in that. 

[QUOTE="Oozyrat"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

The current gen console versions do not look ANYTHING like the bullshots you posted. Only thing that can achieve that level of detail in those games is a high end PC maxing the game at 1080p and using a ton of AA.

Link3301

Dead Space 3 and Mass Effect 3 look practically identical to the screenshots when I run them on my 360. Also, I believe all of these screenshots are taken from 360. Either way, the comparison to these photos and my gameplay experiences are incredibly close. Also, even if they were PC screens, my argument is not effected. PC engines are updated just like the consoles, technically these games were made in the same gen for all platforms and have greatly improved the graphics from their predecessors.

I'm pretty sure these are running on PC. Also, you're arugment is affected, since PC graphics increase more over the course of the gen more than console graphics do.

Either way my arguement is about the changing of graphics through a generation (I was not asking which had the greatest change in a generation). If anything it would further prove my arguement... And as I stated before, my 360's graphics are extremely close to these screenshots. Dead Space 3 and Mass Effect 3 look amazing on every platform and even if the PC can run them better and cleaner, it's still only slightly (I've looked up comparisons). PC's will always be slightly ahead, but honestly the difference is so small that a few extra frames per second or slightly better graphics isn't really worth bringing up in a conversation. Everyone knows that a PC can run games better. Fallout 3 and New Vegas on PC is a ton better than the 360 version, but really, I still enjoyed it on the 360. Yeah it ran better and looks better (especially with some eye mods!), but it's still the same game overall and I can still enjoy a game even if it is a sligtly lower resolution. But to summarize this all up, every platform in every gen looks better as it goes on. The arguement isn't which looks best, it's if the PS4 will look as good a PC further down the road. We're already starting to slow way down on the graphics increase, so everything might level off soon and it'll be all up to performance and stabilitly (and of course control preference and exclusives).