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#1 rumtumtugger
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http://kotaku.com/5020828/too-human-im-halfway-there

"It's puzzling to think that Silicon Knights has been plugging away at Too Human for well over a decade now. Sure, it's been planned as epic stuff from the get go, back when it was a PlayStation title and boasted of a scope that would require four game discs over 80 hours of gameplay. It later became a GameCube title, a transition that obviously required much of its previous iteration to be scrapped.

But as I hacked my way through the Xbox 360 game's first six hours of the single player campaign — putting me at about half-way through, according to the game's own Stats ticker — I began to mostly puzzled by what it was the team was doing with its time. Too Human seems surprisingly unpolished for a game that's been in some form of development for a decade, delayed multiple times, one due to be released in less than two months. Granted, the letter that accompanied our preview copy of Too Human did warn that our pre-release build was not "final retail code" and may have gameplay bugs that "will be addressed in the final retail game."

That was certainly taken into consideration as I completed Too Human's first two chapters, but some of the core issues I had with the game aren't the kinds of things that will likely be ironed out in the final thrust of development.

After going hands-on with Too Human for the first time at GDC, I was primarily concerned about the game's combat mechanics. They certainly take some getting used to. The player will use the right analog stick for melee attacks, simply pointing in the direction of the enemy to target it. While that may sound straightforward enough, being trained to use the right stick for aiming or camera control by previous action games may lead to some initial awkwardness.

You can spice up your attacks by lobbing robotic foes into the air with a double tap of the stick, keeping them aloft with gunfire, but that tactic felt largely pointless. As a Champion ****character, bullets and laser-fire are no match for my hammer or sword, so I found myself doing it only out of obligation, occasionally an attempt to break the monotony.

It seemed more appropriate for me, as a Champion, to limit myself to melee combo chains and air attacks only, in an effort to raise my experience bonus and build up a cache of Ruiner moves — those screen clearing attacks that are accompanied by a light show and, later, a spirit animal (mine's a raven!). This leads to same rather repetitive gameplay. Adding to that repetition was a limited bestiary, some rather mundane puzzle solving and long stretches of slogging through wave after wave of enemies.

Too Human isn't just about swordplay and shooting, it's also about the hunt for loot. One of the more addictive aspects of titles like Diablo, World of Warcraft or Phantasy Star Online is the finding of something precious. Silicon Knights looks to have added loot in spades. There are swords, staves, pistols, rifles, leggings, helms and much, much more, all with various attributes and upgrades to collect. You'll regularly find, buy and build stuff that's better than what you're currently equipped with.

The interface for dealing with your massive amounts of loot is handy. Items that have better stats than your current equipment are shown in yellow. Less favorable stats are listed in red. You'll be able to salvage your unwanted goods from any point, no trekking back to a retailer to resell your outdated chest piece. Just hit the "Y" button. There's a hitch there, though, there's no going back to "town" until you're done with the quest at hand. That means item repairs will have to wait. There's also no way to stock up on health potions or green herbs or whatever one needs to heal their wounds. You'll have to settle for random Health Orb drops.

That means, unless you're of the self-healing BioEngineer c*l*a*s*s you might die. You might die a lot. My character, Shin, has died 23 times in six hours. That's 23 times I've had to watch the rather long, unskippable scene of a gleaming white Valkyrie descend from the heavens and revive me. Good thing there is almost no tangible penalty to death... or is that a bad thing?

You might consider your in-game deaths bad if you expire because of Too Human's frustrating camera system. There are something like seven camera **** to choose from — like standard, near, far, iso and strategic — but all have their share of quirks. It wasn't uncommon for the camera to be pointing just slightly in the wrong direction, with something important out of sight. There's no free look while in motion either, you must pause the action to look around. One can reset the camera behind Baldur's back with the left bumper, but at times the game will override your chosen camera angle or simply refuse to reset it to your liking.

There are plenty of rough edges in Too Human, from questionable interface choices to the oddly placed voiceover to some very unattractive graphics. Some of the game's visuals are strong, others are just plain ugly. Too Human's mechanical beings look fine, but its flesh and blood humanoid characters can look downright ugly. Animation is stiff, lip synching is clumsy and never is the uncanny valley more prevalent than in some of the game's cut scenes. Character models have obviously been given a great deal of detail, but even in the game's major players, faces have sharp angles and poorly rendered hair, visual blights that do a disservice to the games cinematic portions.

There's much more to be explored in Too Human. Obviously, there's the second half of the game's core campaign, the cooperative multiplayer mode, and the game's five character ****s. And we have yet to touch on the game's storyline. We'll have more hands-on impressions of these aspects of the game throughout the week."

Not going to take sides...not when a game has been in hell for 10 years.

And BTW...what amatuer site does not allow you to type "cl.....ass?"

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#2 therealmcc0y
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Lemmings 2008 is turning from bad to worse :lol:
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#3 hellrazor06
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specially how they run up there mouth about how wonderfull the 360 is and how it has so many AAAEs etc wen it only has about 4 :|, and the funny thing is its AAs are better then its AAAEs, 360 is good but lemmings make it out to be something its not
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#4 II_Seraphim_II
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this game is looking a little dodgey :? when a game is in development for a decade, results arent ussually favorable...thats why i worry for Duke Nukem Forver too :(
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#5 Danm_999
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I imagine blitzkid will be regretting this thread then.
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#6 therealmcc0y
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I imagine blitzkid will be regretting this thread then.Danm_999

Blitzkid is a noob, he hypes **** like 360 JRPG's :lol:

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#7 Slyprince
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OMG, dont make it sound like lemmings hyped this game out of this world

There are like 4 lems that think the game will be decent the rest of us knew it was gonna be a flop.

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#9 Legendaryscmt
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Most likely, it's gonna suck.
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#10 vicmackey39
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]I imagine blitzkid will be regretting this thread then.therealmcc0y

Blitzkid is a noob, he hypes **** like 360 JRPG's :lol:

I used to think he was alright but that thread was the dumbest I've ever seen on system wars

he's a total n00b

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#11 rumtumtugger
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[QUOTE="Slyprince"]

OMG, dont make it sound like lemmings hyped this game out of this world

There are like 4 lems that think the game will be decent the rest of us knew it was gonna be a flop.

therealmcc0y

Flopppppppp

Don't be so hard on them, they've had a rough time (Silicon Knights that is).

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#12 therealmcc0y
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[QUOTE="therealmcc0y"][QUOTE="Slyprince"]

OMG, dont make it sound like lemmings hyped this game out of this world

There are like 4 lems that think the game will be decent the rest of us knew it was gonna be a flop.

rumtumtugger

Flopppppppp

Don't be so hard on them, they've had a rough time (Silicon Knights that is).

Like I care :lol:

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#13 skrat_01
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.....Limbo of the Lost was in development for over 10 years.

10 years =/= better game.

Ahem Duke Nukem Forever.

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#14 micky4889
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I want this game to do well but it will probably flop

kind of sad it had a lot of potential if they fixed the combat system it would make it a hell of a lot better

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#15 Slyprince
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Its sad that there wasn't ONE single compliment that he gave the game and they have been working on it for 10 years.

Maybe they shoulda spent less time suing people, blaming other devs for their problems, making that stupid ad campaign and more time working on those god awful animations. There were better combat animations last gen with games like god of war, fable and ninja gaiden. Its so sad.

Edit: They also shoulda known that Analog based combat DOES NOT WORK. It didnt work for that one tekken spinoff game for nina, it didnt work for Advent rising, and it wont work for this game. It had so much potential...

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#16 rumtumtugger
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[QUOTE="rumtumtugger"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"][QUOTE="Slyprince"]

OMG, dont make it sound like lemmings hyped this game out of this world

There are like 4 lems that think the game will be decent the rest of us knew it was gonna be a flop.

therealmcc0y

Flopppppppp

Don't be so hard on them, they've had a rough time (Silicon Knights that is).

Like I care :lol:

They're a good dev. Kinda :( Probably be dead in 2 months though.

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#17 HarlockJC
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OMG, dont make it sound like lemmings hyped this game out of this world

There are like 4 lems that think the game will be decent the rest of us knew it was gonna be a flop.

Slyprince

It not even been just lemmings. Dreams has been really looking forward to this game. I hope all of this turns out to be wrong.

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I think this will be one of those love it or hate it games, from the videos i've watched it looked really good. It's the one game that makes me wish I had kept my 360.
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#19 DarkyC
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[QUOTE="Slyprince"]

OMG, dont make it sound like lemmings hyped this game out of this world

There are like 4 lems that think the game will be decent the rest of us knew it was gonna be a flop.

HarlockJC

It not even been just lemmings. Dreams has been really looking forward to this game. I hope all of this turns out to be wrong.

No he wasnt, in the other thread about this he says he's one of the biggest critics.

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#20 vicmackey39
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Could people stop saying that Dreams has been hyping this game

By his own accounts he thinks the game looks like crap and he can't see himself getting it. Thanks to the misinformation I thought he was hyping it too

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#21 HarlockJC
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Sorry about the Dreams comment...I must have got mised up

Anyways here some other news

over on the Eurogamer boards, one of the site's mods - a chap who claims to be a journo - says his Too Human review NDA is "against [his] human rights". He also says "this has to be the worst game I've played in the last 5 years", citing everything from the game's animation to its supposedly repetitive combat.

http://kotaku.com/5020989/too-human-this-has-to-be-the-worst-game-ive-played-in-the-last-5-years

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[QUOTE="therealmcc0y"][QUOTE="rumtumtugger"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"][QUOTE="Slyprince"]

OMG, dont make it sound like lemmings hyped this game out of this world

There are like 4 lems that think the game will be decent the rest of us knew it was gonna be a flop.

rumtumtugger

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Don't be so hard on them, they've had a rough time (Silicon Knights that is).

Like I care :lol:

They're a good dev. Kinda :( Probably be dead in 2 months though.

Should've stuck with Ninty, seems like all the developers that abandoned them, and then made a crap game are coming crawling back, I'm looking at you Factor 5

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#23 Blue-Sky
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Why do they keep saying, development for over a decade?

They had to start from scratch with a brand new engine and a completely different platform. Prior work with the PS1 and GC won't help at all. Too Human has been in dev with 360 for at most, 3 years.

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#24 HarlockJC
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Should've stuck with Ninty, seems like all the developers that abandoned them, and then made a crap game are coming crawling back, I'm looking at you Factor 5

bobbetybob

Too true..Both Factor 5 and SK was doing better with Nintendo

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#25 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]

Should've stuck with Ninty, seems like all the developers that abandoned them, and then made a crap game are coming crawling back, I'm looking at you Factor 5

HarlockJC

Too true..Both Factor 5 and SK was doing better with Nintendo

Rare?...
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#26 vicmackey39
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Rare?...skrat_01

Viva Pinata is OK I guess

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#27 Blue-Sky
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Too Human seems surprisingly unpolished for a game that's been in some form of development for a decade, . And we have yet to touch on the game's storyline. We'll have more hands-on impressions of these aspects of the game throughout the week."

Not going to take sides...not when a game has been in hell for 10 years.

rumtumtugger

The only thing that can benefit from a 10 yr cycle spanning multiple platforms is story - which they did not pay attention to (its a friggin RPG kotaku :| ). The keep bringing "development for over a decade" and frown upon its graphics.

How the hell is SK's previous years with the PS1 supposed to help the graphics? 360 is a radically different platform, SK had to start from scratch...

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#28 AaronHullLfc
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Its not even out yet give the game a chance
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#29 Malta_1980
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as i always say, lets wait till the final game is out before we judge..... this should apply to all games on all systems !!

Its ok to be hyped but claiming a game is great or a flop from a little gameplay vid or few shots is nonsense...

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#30 rumtumtugger
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as i always say, lets wait till the final game is out before we judge..... this should apply to all games on all systems !!

Its ok to be hyped but claiming a game is great or a flop from a little gameplay vid or few shots is nonsense...

Malta_1980

Are you paying attention...it's not a few shots (like KZ2), it's 3 different people who have played the game claiming it sucks.

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#31 Malta_1980
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[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

as i always say, lets wait till the final game is out before we judge..... this should apply to all games on all systems !!

Its ok to be hyped but claiming a game is great or a flop from a little gameplay vid or few shots is nonsense...

rumtumtugger

Are you paying attention...it's not a few shots (like KZ2), it's 3 different people who have played the game claiming it sucks.

I know, and am not defending the game (i dont even own a 360 so you can imagine how much i care if this game will be a success)... its just that receiving bad previews is not a good thing, i agree... but its still the opinion of 3 guys... a week might pass and 2 other journalists preview the game and they like it...

am not saying the game will be great, but until i see the game in action (got a friend who's hyped about the game and will surely get it), one cannot make a final judgment...

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#32 finalfantasy94
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I hope this game dont turn out to bad.
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#33 donwoogie
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Well, when you scrap a game twice; do it on 3 consoles in three generations; and take almost a decade to develop it; the odds are usually stacked against you. I don't think this will be a terrible game, but I certainly didn't expect it to hit 9.0 or greater.
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#34 crue7x2
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Whoever hyped this game is gonna get owned, bigtime
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#35 ChiefFreeman
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I'm convinced this game is going to bomb. It should have been scrapped long ago after how bad it looked at E3 06.
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#36 Mongo-Boss
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MGS2 used the right analog stick to control Raiden's blade and it worked out great so maybe it'll be ok in this game as well. Still it doesn't sound like the game some people were hoping for.
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#37 Andrew_Xavier
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[QUOTE="Slyprince"]

OMG, dont make it sound like lemmings hyped this game out of this world

There are like 4 lems that think the game will be decent the rest of us knew it was gonna be a flop.

therealmcc0y

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He has to score below A to flop, it won't score below A.

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#38 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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I can't wait for this game :D
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#39 HarlockJC
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I can't wait for this game :DJandurin

I sure hope all of this is crap. I am still waiting on a more respectful sites opinion on the game.

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I sure hope all of this is crap. I am still waiting on a more respectful sites opinion on the game.

HarlockJC
Even if it's not, his main complaints seem to be that he "can't go to town whenever he wants" and "he keeps on dying" And I love that the item system won't suck, like in Mass Effect.
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#41 st1ka
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I can't wait for this game :DJandurin

that makes two of us :D

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

I sure hope all of this is crap. I am still waiting on a more respectful sites opinion on the game.

Jandurin

Even if it's not, his main complaints seem to be that he "can't go to town whenever he wants" and "he keeps on dying" And I love that the item system won't suck, like in Mass Effect.

i know was i the only one who went "WTF?" by reading that?

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#42 donwoogie
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]I can't wait for this game :Dst1ka

that makes two of us :D

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

I sure hope all of this is crap. I am still waiting on a more respectful sites opinion on the game.

Jandurin

Even if it's not, his main complaints seem to be that he "can't go to town whenever he wants" and "he keeps on dying" And I love that the item system won't suck, like in Mass Effect.

i know was i the only one who went "WTF?" by reading that?

Reminds me of when Eurogamer laid into NG2 because they thought it was too hard................. (God, I hate Eurogamer...........)

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#43 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]I can't wait for this game :Ddonwoogie

that makes two of us :D

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

I sure hope all of this is crap. I am still waiting on a more respectful sites opinion on the game.

Jandurin

Even if it's not, his main complaints seem to be that he "can't go to town whenever he wants" and "he keeps on dying" And I love that the item system won't suck, like in Mass Effect.

i know was i the only one who went "WTF?" by reading that?

Reminds me of when Eurogamer laid into NG2 because they thought it was too hard................. (God, I hate Eurogamer...........)

i like eurogamer, but remember that this guy is NOT part of the staff

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#44 0rin
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again, I couldn't care less how good, or bad this game does, that being said, these are just two (that i've read) previews that arent very flattering. as we all know, previews are rarely ever indicative of the review score. however, there are no two ways around the fact that, having spent 10+ years developing this game in some form, hearing anything less than rave previews is neither a good sign, or unexpected. unless you are Blizzard, then you can stay in development for as long as you like, and your game will still sell like twinkies at a fat camp. I am sure if you are still convinced 2H will be an amazing game, nothing anyone can say will sway you. you will like the game whether you like it or not. not so different from the people who are still firm believers that the earth is flat, or the people who still wear parachute pants.
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#45 Vasichko
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I was never pumped for this, never even thought it brought anything to the table.

Give me KZ2, R2, & SoCom. Till then Ill be playing COD4 and Battlefield BC on 360.

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I am sure if you are still convinced 2H will be an amazing game, nothing anyone can say will sway you. you will like the game whether you like it or not. not so different from the people who are still firm believers that the earth is flat, or the people who still wear parachute pants.0rin
Lawl. And you're convinced, by two non-official sources that the game will be crap? Anti-believing takes as much faith as believing. :D
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#47 stiltzsy
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Almost sounds like the NG2 review and I love NG2...first game this gen that I'm playing through the campaign more than once!
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#48 KinkInDaLink
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Heres some more of the previews that were released yeterday. I thought i'd pick some of the positive ones since every negative critism from every prieview has been posted to death. It would seem if your into epic, dungen crawling loot fests, then this is the game for you, if not, its probably not gonna be your cup of tea.

http://nzgamer.com/x360/previews/633/too-human-hands-on.html

"Too Human is going to blow people's socks off when it hits and certain forumers (sup Neogaf) had better get their best cutlery out because I sense a lot of crow in their diets when it hits on August 19. Too Human is coming and it's the real deal - I just hope Diablo doesn't feel old in its wake."

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3168474

"Too Human appears to be right on track to satisfy everyone looking forward to late-night, rare-drop dungeon runs."

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/885/885425p1.html

"Too Human has been a long time coming and while it may not live up to the epic expectations it is going to be a good game. And who can argue against having another good game in the 360 library?"

http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2021/Too-Human/p1/

"We're quite excited to get a crack at the final, reviewable version of Too Human. It's apparent in this late build's polish that Silicon Knights is traveling down an enchanted path with Too Human, and is possibly on the brink of a releasing a legendary special action/RPG adventure. "

http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/too-human-part-1/885223p1.html

"Too Human is at once trying to appeal to die-hard RPG enthusiasts, as well as those who like fast-paced action games. In both of these areas, the game appears to be shaping along quite nicely."

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#49 Mongo-Boss
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Heres some more of the previews that were released yeterday. I thought i'd pick some of the positive ones since every negative critism from every prieview has been posted to death. It would seem if your into epic, dungen crawling loot fests, then this is the game for you, if not, its probably not gonna be your cup of tea.

http://nzgamer.com/x360/previews/633/too-human-hands-on.html

"Too Human is going to blow people's socks off when it hits and certain forumers (sup Neogaf) had better get their best cutlery out because I sense a lot of crow in their diets when it hits on August 19. Too Human is coming and it's the real deal - I just hope Diablo doesn't feel old in its wake."

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3168474

"Too Human appears to be right on track to satisfy everyone looking forward to late-night, rare-drop dungeon runs."

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/885/885425p1.html

"Too Human has been a long time coming and while it may not live up to the epic expectations it is going to be a good game. And who can argue against having another good game in the 360 library?"

http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2021/Too-Human/p1/

"We're quite excited to get a crack at the final, reviewable version of Too Human. It's apparent in this late build's polish that Silicon Knights is traveling down an enchanted path with Too Human, and is possibly on the brink of a releasing a legendary special action/RPG adventure. "

http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/too-human-part-1/885223p1.html

"Too Human is at once trying to appeal to die-hard RPG enthusiasts, as well as those who like fast-paced action games. In both of these areas, the game appears to be shaping along quite nicely."

KinkInDaLink
Glad to finally hear something possitive about it
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#50 Couth_
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First I said 6.5-7.5 now i'm leading towards the former..