Top 3 games in history =nintendo games, according to professional game critics.

And 2 of those are on wii (and you can play the first game of all time on wii as well). All three are EXCLUSIVE to nintendo hardware.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html

What you got, cows and lemmings? What you got?

Hmmmmmmmm?

Hermits stay out of this, you guys operate in a different league, your games are serious business.

But for the consolites, what you got? Hmmmmm?

Hmmmm?

Who's your daddy now?

:lol:

This has been done already.

Nintendo have some of the best franchises (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc)

All they need is some more new IP's that are made by themselves!

They need a better third-party support.

All they need is some more new IP's that are made by themselves!siddhu33

Why though? Why do they need new IP's? Why would a new IP be any better than an old one? I fail to understand System Wars' fixation with 'new IP's.'

[QUOTE="siddhu33]All they need is some more new IP's that are made by themselves!charizard1605

I am just saying the general opinion, not mine.

Also

I am just saying the general opinion, not mine.

siddhu33

O look. Scores matter again. Fun. They didn't matter for the past 2 years when Wii didn't have any AAA games that couldn't be played on all 3 consoles but whatever...

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]All they need is some more new IP's that are made by themselves!charizard1605

Steak is yummy, but I don't want to eat it every night of the week.locopatho

O look. Scores matter again. Fun. They didn't matter for the past 2 years when Wii didn't have any AAA games that couldn't be played on all 3 consoles but whatever..

locopatho

So on wii, sales don't matter, scores don't matter, so what matters? Give me break. :lol:

"However, when Nintendo does both the above things in its existing IP's anyway, WHY do we need anything new from them, when they can already pour all their creativity into their existing franchises?"

Well said.

Yes, I know, I directed my post at System Wars at large. But te question still stands, you know: why all this craving for new IP's?

charizard1605

Because the fact of the matter is, even if a game is good, us gamers have a short attention span. We are all waiting for the next big thing, a new game, with new gameplay mechanics.

Also, more IP's mean that there is ammo in the SW metagame. For example, the Wii can be derided for having very few IP's that are successful in the vein that Sony may do, and so cows therefore start calling the Wii a console which just Milks mario, zelda, and metroid.

O look. Scores matter again. Fun. They didn't matter for the past 2 years when Wii didn't have any AAA games that couldn't be played on all 3 consoles but whatever..[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="siddhu33"]All they need is some more new IP's that are made by themselves!locopatho

Scores still don't matter. Also, that's why you don't eat stake every day. Do it once a month and alls good.

Because the fact of the matter is, even if a game is good, us gamers have a short attention span. We are all waiting for the next big thing, a new game, with new gameplay mechanics.

Also, more IP's mean that there is ammo in the SW metagame. For example, the Wii can be derided for having very few IP's that are successful in the vein that Sony may do, and so cows therefore start calling the Wii a console which just Milks mario, zelda, and metroid.

I fail to see the analogy, you know... Let's look at it this way: new IP's typically do one or both of the following things: 1) Introduce all new gameplay mechanics that could not have been introduced to an existing franchise because the fanbase would protest 2) Change the setting However, when Nintendo does both the above things in its existing IP's anyway, WHY do we need anything new from them, when they can already pour all their creativity into their existing franchises?charizard1605

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Steak is yummy, but I don't want to eat it every night of the week.charizard1605

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

O look. Scores matter again. Fun. They didn't matter for the past 2 years when Wii didn't have any AAA games that couldn't be played on all 3 consoles but whatever..

IgorAntunov

So on wii, sales don't matter, scores don't matter, so what matters? Give me break. :lol:

"However, when Nintendo does both the above things in its existing IP's anyway, WHY do we need anything new from them, when they can already pour all their creativity into their existing franchises?"

Well said.

Because Mario will always be about platforming. His games are amazing but they are never going to be a strategy or story based game for example, they are always gonne be about jumping. Or Zelda, we know more or less that Zelda is always gonna be dungeons and exploration. It'd be nice to see what Nintendo could do with a blank slate instead of a sequel.locopatho

Here we are, then. Again, you would be wrong, simply because of the fact that Nintendo has so many IP's. You want the best in platforming? Turn to Mario, or Kirby. Action adventure? Zelda. Shooters? Metroid, Star Fox, Sin and Punishment. RPG's? Golden Sun, Pokemon, Mario RPG series. Strategy? Advance Wars, Fire Emblem. Racing? F-Zero, Mario Kart. Adventure? Kid Icarus. Console MMO (or the closest you can come to it)? Animal Crossing. Sports? The Mario Sports series.

See? When Nintendo already have all genres covered, why should they create new IP's? Especially when they keep their existing IP's fresh (with rare exceptions).

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]Because Mario will always be about platforming. His games are amazing but they are never going to be a strategy or story based game for example, they are always gonne be about jumping. Or Zelda, we know more or less that Zelda is always gonna be dungeons and exploration. It'd be nice to see what Nintendo could do with a blank slate instead of a sequel.charizard1605

To be honest, most of these haven't been released on the Wii yet. I am still waiting for a new F-Zero and Starfox.

New IP from a gameplay standpoint is useless, you want to incorporate your new unique ideas into the well known franchises, but when Nintendo has a new idea that doesn't fit into Mario / Metroid / Zelda, then you get something like Pikmin, if they think it will sell.

New IP = risktaking, it's stupid to make a new IP unless you think it's gonna sell, example is Scribblenauts.1 simple gameplay idea that sold relatively much, for a new IP.

People who want new IP's usually play games for story and all that, it's pointless imo. Gameplay ideas integrated into the core franchises we all know and love, is the ideal way.

Gameplay > Story. Nintendo games are rehash in one sense, while other games are rehashes gameplay wise. The only way to innovate, is to include features such as stylus, motion and IR. It's the way to go.

And so the Sheep come out of hiding, congratulations, enjoy it while it lasts "evil laugh" mwahahahahahahhaha! :P

Anyways, those 3 games are no doubt great, but all that matters is personal opinion, I would take Heavy Rain over SMG any day of the week, but I'm sure most people would take SMG over Heavy Rain, see :) !

To be honest, most of these haven't been released on the Wii yet. I am still waiting for a new F-Zero and Starfox.

siddhu33

To be honest, most of these haven't been released on the Wii yet. I am still waiting for a new F-Zero and Starfox.

siddhu33

I thought everyone gave up waiting for those two? We can only hope something in shown in e3.

In terms of impact + polish+ quality etc that's fair, Nintendo deserves it. But in terms of mature core gaming there are much better titles to pick imo, from the likes of Metal Gear Solid to games like Shadow of the collosus. Ofc these are games that are played by a fraction of the people that play Nintendo games so they'll never win these things.

In terms of impact + polish+ quality etc that's fair, Nintendo deserves it. But in terms of mature core gaming there are much better titles to pick imo, from the likes of Metal Gear Solid to games like Shadow of the collosus. Ofc these are games that are played by a fraction of the people that play Nintendo games so they'll never win these things.

N00bTuber

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Because Mario will always be about platforming. His games are amazing but they are never going to be a strategy or story based game for example, they are always gonne be about jumping. Or Zelda, we know more or less that Zelda is always gonna be dungeons and exploration. It'd be nice to see what Nintendo could do with a blank slate instead of a sequel.charizard1605

Here we are, then. Again, you would be wrong, simply because of the fact that Nintendo has so many IP's. You want the best in platforming? Turn to Mario, or Kirby. Action adventure? Zelda. Shooters? Metroid, Star Fox, Sin and Punishment. RPG's? Golden Sun, Pokemon, Mario RPG series. Strategy? Advance Wars, Fire Emblem. Racing? F-Zero, Mario Kart. Adventure? Kid Icarus. Console MMO (or the closest you can come to it)? Animal Crossing. Sports? The Mario Sports series.

See? When Nintendo already have all genres covered, why should they create new IP's? Especially when they keep their existing IP's fresh (with rare exceptions).

Because Mario will always be about platforming. His games are amazing but they are never going to be a strategy or story based game for example, they are always gonne be about jumping. Or Zelda, we know more or less that Zelda is always gonna be dungeons and exploration. It'd be nice to see what Nintendo could do with a blank slate instead of a sequel.locopatho

Here we are, then. Again, you would be wrong, simply because of the fact that Nintendo has so many IP's. You want the best in platforming? Turn to Mario, or Kirby. Action adventure? Zelda. Shooters? Metroid, Star Fox, Sin and Punishment. RPG's? Golden Sun, Pokemon, Mario RPG series. Strategy? Advance Wars, Fire Emblem. Racing? F-Zero, Mario Kart. Adventure? Kid Icarus. Console MMO (or the closest you can come to it)? Animal Crossing. Sports? The Mario Sports series.

See? When Nintendo already have all genres covered, why should they create new IP's? Especially when they keep their existing IP's fresh (with rare exceptions).

I toss and turn every night knowing that Uncharted 2 and Mass Effect 2 can`t be as good as SMG.

The sheep have returned from hiding under their rocks.

The sheep have returned from hiding under their rocks.

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="N00bTuber"]

In terms of impact + polish+ quality etc that's fair, Nintendo deserves it. But in terms of mature core gaming there are much better titles to pick imo, from the likes of Metal Gear Solid to games like Shadow of the collosus. Ofc these are games that are played by a fraction of the people that play Nintendo games so they'll never win these things.

charizard1605

In terms of impact + polish+ quality etc that's fair, Nintendo deserves it. But in terms of mature core gaming there are much better titles to pick imo, from the likes of Metal Gear Solid to games like Shadow of the collosus. Ofc these are games that are played by a fraction of the people that play Nintendo games so they'll never win these things.

[QUOTE="N00bTuber"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] I don't get how a game is 'mature' and how being mature changes anything :?charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="N00bTuber"]I like my games to aspire to be art, and they need to be mature for that, deep themes stories and morals etc. Mario doesn't cut it in that departement. Now don't get to defensive, I gave Nintendo credit, diferente people like diferente things, some ppl only like sports games, others party games, others music games, I like artsy games.N00bTuber

[QUOTE="N00bTuber"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] I don't get how a game is 'mature' and how being mature changes anything :?charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="N00bTuber"]I like my games to aspire to be art, and they need to be mature for that, deep themes stories and morals etc. Mario doesn't cut it in that departement. Now don't get to defensive, I gave Nintendo credit, diferente people like diferente things, some ppl only like sports games, others party games, others music games, I like artsy games.locopatho

Yeah Many of those aren't on Wii. And again, we know what most of those play like. Look at last gen, where Nintendo created Pikmin, Geist and Eternal Darkess. 3 very unique games. Nintendo can make amazing unique original IPs unlike anything else out there, when they have a mind to.locopatho

Eternal Darkness was by far one of the greatest games i've played on the GC. Geist was good and weird.

Man give a game a 10 and the fanboys come out strong.

In terms of impact + polish+ quality etc that's fair, Nintendo deserves it. But in terms of mature core gaming there are much better titles to pick imo, from the likes of Metal Gear Solid to games like Shadow of the collosus. Ofc these are games that are played by a fraction of the people that play Nintendo games so they'll never win these things.

N00bTuber

I thought we were over that whole kiddie/mature argument by now. As I said before, true maturity shines through in gameplay, not in its presentation. I don't understand how games with a darker and/or more realistic presentation and more blood flying around the screen are suddenly more mature. The games you mentioned are great by the way, but I don't understand how this maturity thing should matter if you're playing a fantastic game.

[QUOTE="N00bTuber"]

In terms of impact + polish+ quality etc that's fair, Nintendo deserves it. But in terms of mature core gaming there are much better titles to pick imo, from the likes of Metal Gear Solid to games like Shadow of the collosus. Ofc these are games that are played by a fraction of the people that play Nintendo games so they'll never win these things.

DraugenCP

I thought we were over that whole kiddie/mature argument by now. As I said before, true maturity shines through in gameplay, not in its presentation. I don't understand how games with a darker and/or more realistic presentation and more blood flying around the screen are suddenly more mature. The games you mentioned are great by the way, but I don't understand how this maturity thing should matter if you're playing a fantastic game.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

[QUOTE="N00bTuber"]

In terms of impact + polish+ quality etc that's fair, Nintendo deserves it. But in terms of mature core gaming there are much better titles to pick imo, from the likes of Metal Gear Solid to games like Shadow of the collosus. Ofc these are games that are played by a fraction of the people that play Nintendo games so they'll never win these things.

N00bTuber

I thought we were over that whole kiddie/mature argument by now. As I said before, true maturity shines through in gameplay, not in its presentation. I don't understand how games with a darker and/or more realistic presentation and more blood flying around the screen are suddenly more mature. The games you mentioned are great by the way, but I don't understand how this maturity thing should matter if you're playing a fantastic game.

I personally find such things rather dangerous as there's always the risk of it becoming pretentious, and you're probably better off reading a book anyway. But even then, there's only a handful of games that'd even qualify as mature in your definition, as only so much developers actually take the story aspect of a game seriously, and even the majority of them fails at putting together something decent.

To each their own I guess.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Don't worry, I won't fight :P All I will say is that games do not necessarily have to be mature to be art. Look at Metroid Prime, look at Wind Waker, look at Majora's Mask. All three are Nintendo, all three are widely heralded to be works of art, and while these three are certainly more mature than your average Nintendo game, I still don't think you'd accept any of them to fit with the conventional definition of mature, right?charizard1605

Wind Waker? How so? It basically did the same thing Ocarina of Time did (and not better either), but with a different presentation and a different type of overworld. Granted, Twilight Princess essentially did the same thing, but I thought that was a much more durable and satisfying gaming experience.

Again, sheep suddenly give credit to critical acclaim when it benefits them :roll:

Again, sheep suddenly give credit to critical acclaim when it benefits them :roll:

tomarlyn

Yes, it is quite weird how all of a sudden critic's opinion = fact again. I think it's great that SMG2 got so much praise, and it's fun to rub it in the face of people who slagged off the Wii, but in the end, what is the difference between the 97.21% of SMG2 and the 96.39% of RDR? A psychological difference, that's all. And that's not even considering personal taste, as one of my personal favourite games this gen (Rampage: Total Destruction) got 49.59% on GR.

[QUOTE="N00bTuber"][QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

I thought we were over that whole kiddie/mature argument by now. As I said before, true maturity shines through in gameplay, not in its presentation. I don't understand how games with a darker and/or more realistic presentation and more blood flying around the screen are suddenly more mature. The games you mentioned are great by the way, but I don't understand how this maturity thing should matter if you're playing a fantastic game.

DraugenCP

I personally find such things rather dangerous as there's always the risk of it becoming pretentious, and you're probably better off reading a book anyway. But even then, there's only a handful of games that'd even qualify as mature in your definition, as only so much developers actually take the story aspect of a game seriously, and even the majority of them fails at putting together something decent.

To each their own I guess.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

[QUOTE="N00bTuber"]

In terms of impact + polish+ quality etc that's fair, Nintendo deserves it. But in terms of mature core gaming there are much better titles to pick imo, from the likes of Metal Gear Solid to games like Shadow of the collosus. Ofc these are games that are played by a fraction of the people that play Nintendo games so they'll never win these things.

N00bTuber

I thought we were over that whole kiddie/mature argument by now. As I said before, true maturity shines through in gameplay, not in its presentation. I don't understand how games with a darker and/or more realistic presentation and more blood flying around the screen are suddenly more mature. The games you mentioned are great by the way, but I don't understand how this maturity thing should matter if you're playing a fantastic game.

I too have trouble understanding the idea of "mature game" here in System wars. Some people call games like Gears of War and Halo mature games. Well I played them and there was not a deep story nor a complex gameplay element. Sure the stories deal with death, war and stuff but the setting can't make a game complex (or mature for that matter I still don't get the exact understanding of it here as I said). Metroid Prime is a lot more complex than Halo and Gears of War series combined. Hell look at God of War, it's a melodrama with Greek gods. The main pratogonist has no character whatsoever, he speaks like, acts like a mindless berserk. So why is that mature and Mario is not? Because you can ripp people's heads in GOW?

I doubt most of the people using the "mature games" phrase are not even mature themselves and lack the understanding of it's meaning. Don't get me wrong I'm not attacking you as your examples are perfect. MGS 4 is truly a mature game and yes it's artsy (by your term) I did not played shadow of collosus but I played Ico and that was exceptional too. Heavy Rain is also a great example. Your argument about mature games are valid but most of the people do not think like you.

There is a distinction between games like Mario and MGS 4. However, this is the gaming medium we are talking about, games are meant to be fun first and deep second. Of course it is your right and opinion to prefer deep, complex and mature games but games that are only fun in nature should not be criticised for this.

I'm a literature student, and I know what art really is and gaming medium is no way near to achive something like that no matter what these gaming sites says. If you really want to dwell in dark and "mature" side of the human nature, you should be reading books not playing games.

Of course this is all but my opinion.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

Again, sheep suddenly give credit to critical acclaim when it benefits them :roll:

DraugenCP

Yes, it is quite weird how all of a sudden critic's opinion = fact again. I think it's great that SMG2 got so much praise, and it's fun to rub it in the face of people who slagged off the Wii, but in the end, what is the difference between the 97.21% of SMG2 and the 96.39% of RDR? A psychological difference, that's all. And that's not even considering personal taste, as one of my personal favourite games this gen (Rampage: Total Destruction) got 49.59% on GR.

Too true. I'm sure SMG2 deserves everything it gets and will probably be GOTY, you can't argue with obvious quality. But it makes me sad when this group of fanboys always flip flops on what actually defines quality.

If Wii had a better overall library and more than one AAA a year or whatever it is, far far less of them would look twice at games like Red Steel 2 or Monster Hunter Tri. Instead they say ''but bu but b... reviews are opinion!!''. Now since SMG2, like every other Wii game thats been a critical success, those ''opinions'' are magically gospel truth.

Fanboys

[QUOTE="N00bTuber"][QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

I thought we were over that whole kiddie/mature argument by now. As I said before, true maturity shines through in gameplay, not in its presentation. I don't understand how games with a darker and/or more realistic presentation and more blood flying around the screen are suddenly more mature. The games you mentioned are great by the way, but I don't understand how this maturity thing should matter if you're playing a fantastic game.

Requem

I too have trouble understanding the idea of "mature game" here in System wars. Some people call games like Gears of War and Halo mature games. Well I played them and there was not a deep story nor a complex gameplay element. Sure the stories deal with death, war and stuff but the setting can't make a game complex (or mature for that matter I still don't get the exact understanding of it here as I said). Metroid Prime is a lot more complex than Halo and Gears of War series combined. Hell look at God of War, it's a melodrama with Greek gods. The main pratogonist has no character whatsoever, he speaks like, acts like a mindless berserk. So why is that mature and Mario is not? Because you can ripp people's heads in GOW?

I doubt most of the people using the "mature games" phrase are not even mature themselves and lack the understanding of it's meaning. Don't get me wrong I'm not attacking you as your examples are perfect. MGS 4 is truly a mature game and yes it's artsy (by your term) I did not played shadow of collosus but I played Ico and that was exceptional too. Heavy Rain is also a great example. Your argument about mature games are valid but most of the people do not think like you.

There is a distinction between games like Mario and MGS 4. However, this is the gaming medium we are talking about, games are meant to be fun first and deep second. Of course it is your right and opinion to prefer deep, complex and mature games but games that are only fun in nature should not be criticised for this.

I'm a literature student, and I know what art really is and gaming medium is no way near to achive something like that no matter what these gaming sites says. If you really want to dwell in dark and "mature" side of the human nature, you should be reading books not playing games.

Of course this is all but my opinion.

I don't mean to take away from the "fun" games, I love those too, it's just the artsy games are the ones that stick with me years after I've played them, they have the same soul so many great works of art have, that thought evoking mysteriousness that resonated with you long after you've put the controller down. I now look at gaming as a simple medium, it's all up to the artist to create somehting worthwhile, we need to keep up demand and we will force dev's to cater to us, eventually more and more great creators and artists will join the industry.

I highly recommend playing SotC, if you liked ICO you'll probably like SotC even more and it's quickly becoming the game of reference when talking about games as art. It truly turns stereotypical gaming conventions on it's head, it's truly unique and very strong morally and emotionally.

And 2 of those are on wii (and you can play the first game of all time on wii as well). All three are EXCLUSIVE to nintendo hardware.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html

What you got, cows and lemmings? What you got?

Hmmmmmmmm?

Hermits stay out of this, you guys operate in a different league, your games are serious business.

But for the consolites, what you got? Hmmmmm?

Hmmmm?

Who's your daddy now?

:lol:

IgorAntunov

Wii has great 1st party exclusives to bad everything else sucks. I would buy a Wii but would probably only play Mario and Zelda.

Good post and I agree, Gears of War for example is not a mature game, there are few mature games, and I do love cinema and literature, but I also love gaming and other arts. I first started gaming simply for the fun aspect, it was entertaining and I loved it, Metal Gear Solid 1 was probbaly the first game that changed the way I looked at the medium, from there I saw massive potential, Shadow of the Collosus cemented my hope that gaming could in fact become a relevant art form.

I don't mean to take away from the "fun" games, I love those too, it's just the artsy games are the ones that stick with me years after I've played them, they have the same soul so many great works of art have, that thought evoking mysteriousness that resonated with you long after you've put the controller down. I now look at gaming as a simple medium, it's all up to the artist to create somehting worthwhile, we need to keep up demand and we will force dev's to cater to us, eventually more and more great creators and artists will join the industry.

I highly recommend playing SotC, if you liked ICO you'll probably like SotC even more and it's quickly becoming the game of reference when talking about games as art. It truly turns stereotypical gaming conventions on it's head, it's truly unique and very strong morally and emotionally.

N00bTuber

The game that gave me that feeling was Final Fantasy X. It was so different from what I always had played I was mesmerised. Also it's the reason why I own a ps2. So yes some games stick with you years after you played them. The last game that effected me like that was Heavy Rain. I finished it in one sitting. Party because I played it at my friends house but mostly because it was so good. This games really stay with you even after a long time you finished them. But none of them give me the same childlike happiness and a sense of freedom that a Mario game makes me feel.

I want to play SotC but my Ps2 is broken and I don't want to purchase a new one just to play that game. Maybe I'll get it repaired someday and finally play it. Ico was so different and so charming. It is difficult to describe that game. That is why I like Pc gaming actually. This niche games are a lot more common in the Pc platform.