TOPIC: Nvidia and Acer bring PC gaming at competetitive 'console prices'

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#1 RedFactionFan
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http://www.examiner.com/x-892-PC-Game-Examiner~y2009m4d23-Nvidia-and-Acer-bring-PC-gaming-at-console-prices


Acer will soon be introducing the AspireRevo, a small form factor PC capable of HDTV decoding and PC gaming -- at a starting price point of $299.

The AspireRevo is based on the Nvidia ION graphics chip platform and the Intel ATOM 230/330 processor. Nvidia's ION platform is based upon the GeForce series 9400M G graphics chipset -- a low-cost, low-power GPU capable of HD video decoding and DirectX 10-compatible PC gaming graphics power.

NVidia's ION enables the AspireRevo play 1080p HD movies, play DirectX 10 games, and run Windows Vista Premium with all 3D capabilities. It's small, sleek, space-saving, and can be used as a fully functional home office PC or as a living room PC for casual gaming on your television.

Besides being equipped with the Intel® Atom 230 processor and NVIDIA® ION GPU, the AspireRevo comes with a choice of a Serial ATA Hard Drive or Solid State Drive and up to 4GB of DDR2 memory. A Mini PCI Express slot offers the possibility of expanding memory capacity to make space for continuously growing multimedia files.



No thx, this idea is worse than OnLive.

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A 9400M graphics card? This is gonna be one weak gaming system.


Granted though, it could probably run most console ports at the same level as consoles or higher.

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#3 NSR34GTR
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stupid idea
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#4 RedFactionFan
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A 9400M graphics card? This is gonna be one weak gaming system.


Granted though, it could probably run most console ports at the same level as consoles or higher.

DragonfireXZ95

Maybe the ones made by Valve and possibly DMC4, but most other PC versions of console games are poorly optimized and would need much stronger hardware.

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#5 karasill
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Interesting. A 9400M is about as powerful as a 8600 GT and that's the standard if you want to run PC games looking as well as games do on consoles. Since this is a PC and not a console, $299 isn't that bad since it can do much more then play videogames.
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#6 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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oh god. please don't tell people they can game with that. misinformation is not going to help the noobs who are too lazy to study hardware for 5 minutes.
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#7 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

A 9400M graphics card? This is gonna be one weak gaming system.


Granted though, it could probably run most console ports at the same level as consoles or higher.

RedFactionFan

Maybe the ones made by Valve and possibly DMC4, but most other PC versions of console games are poorly optimized and would need much stronger hardware.

What, is a 9400M really that weak? I mean my 7900gs can outperform consoles. :|
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#8 blackeneddeath
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Interesting. A 9400M is about as powerful as a 8600 GT and that's the standard if you want to run PC games looking as well as games do on consoles. Since this is a PC and not a console, $299 isn't that bad since it can do much more then play videogames.karasill
9500gt is about equal to a an 8600gt... 9400M is about the 8500gt range...
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#9 BioShockOwnz
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Crappy integrated chip. Yuck.

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#10 RedFactionFan
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[QUOTE="RedFactionFan"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

A 9400M graphics card? This is gonna be one weak gaming system.


Granted though, it could probably run most console ports at the same level as consoles or higher.

Vandalvideo

Maybe the ones made by Valve and possibly DMC4, but most other PC versions of console games are poorly optimized and would need much stronger hardware.

What, is a 9400M really that weak? I mean my 7900gs can outperform consoles. :|

The 'M' ones really are weak.

These PC's would be quite decent for everyday things but its an insult that they're marketed as gaming machines.

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#11 Couth_
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stupid ideaNSR34GTR
Agree. Very weak system. Plus IMO building is half the fun
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#12 ronvalencia
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Interesting. A 9400M is about as powerful as a 8600 GT and that's the standard if you want to run PC games looking as well as games do on consoles. Since this is a PC and not a console, $299 isn't that bad since it can do much more then play videogames. karasill

8600M GS has 16 stream processors.

9400M has 16 stream processors.

8600M GT has 32 stream processors.

9500M GS has 32 stream processors.

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#13 glez13
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LOL, Wut?

A 9400M for gaming?

Alot of people are going to get ripped with this.

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#14 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

A 9400M graphics card? This is gonna be one weak gaming system.


Granted though, it could probably run most console ports at the same level as consoles or higher.

RedFactionFan

Maybe the ones made by Valve and possibly DMC4, but most other PC versions of console games are poorly optimized and would need much stronger hardware.

As expected for an 8 ROPS equiped GPUs, most console ported games runs fine(1280x720p, high settings) on NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT/9500M GS. Geforce 9400M has half of ROPS and stream processor count of NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT.

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#15 asylumni
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LOL, Wut?

A 9400M for gaming?

Alot of people are going to get ripped with this.

glez13

Why's everyone pointing at the GPU when the Atom 230 is equally insufficient? Anyways, Tom's Hardware did a test on this Ion reference board and got ~29.5 fps on Spore at 800x600, low quality; ~22.5 fps on COD4 at 640x480, low quality no AA.

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#16 Squeets
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[QUOTE="glez13"]

LOL, Wut?

A 9400M for gaming?

Alot of people are going to get ripped with this.

asylumni

Why's everyone pointing at the GPU when the Atom 230 is equally insufficient? Anyways, Tom's Hardware did a test on this Ion reference board and got ~29.5 fps on Spore at 800x600, low quality; ~22.5 fps on COD4 at 640x480, low quality no AA.

WOW lol that effing sucks!

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#17 loco145
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Guys, the weak link here is the atom CPU....
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#18 Luigi_The_Pimp
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Crysis might blow one of those things up
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#19 XaosII
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Don't knock the Ion. It averages nearly 30 FPS in CoD4. This is actually a surprisingly good platform. I've been waiting for nearly a year to hear a netbook finally come out wiht one.

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#20 iam2green
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wow, it is a good idea on paper but when it's made it isn't. a great idea but doesn't sound to good. a Nvidia 9400m is horrible for gaming. the CPU is also bad with it. People who are lazy to make a gaming PC ( a bit like me) are going to see that expecting something high like a $1000 gaming rig. they are going to start buying games and see the game is horrible played. with the price of that people should actually just buy a console instead of that. it might even play weaker then consoles. some companies make bad ports onto the PC. the hardware is high for a game that looks weaker.
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#21 loco145
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Don't knock the Ion. It averages nearly 30 FPS in CoD4. This is actually a surprisingly good platform. I've been waiting for nearly a year to hear a netbook finally come out wiht one.

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#22 thelastguy
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I would rather buy a 360 fror that price

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#23 mr_mozilla
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Why market something like that as a gaming machine in the first place. Oh well, at least it's cheap, It's common place to see 1.5k+ "gaming" rigs with gpus like 9600GT tacked on them.

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#24 c02z
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weak mobile component hardware for gaming? doesn't sound good
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#25 LordQuorthon
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What, is a 9400M really that weak? I mean my 7900gs can outperform consoles. :|Vandalvideo
Read RedFactionFan's post again. Raw performance is not the issue, the real problem is how PC ports are poorly optimized, and that seems to be a trend that not only won't go away, but it's actually prone to becoming worse with time. 360/PS3 games that are ported to the PC keep asking for more resources as times passes, and that clearly has nothing to do with hardware performace, but with terrible optimization.

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#26 Mr_Nordquist
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This is just one of those ideas where their target audience with the product are people that won't spend 10 minutes to read a computer building tutorial. That's what I did three or four years ago, and never looked back. It's actually pretty amazing what you can build with $300-$400 with today's budget graphics cards, and such. People just need to learn it's NOT HARD TO BUILD A PC!!!!!

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#27 sikanderahmed
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why would anyone buy that.....if you can just get 360 instead :D its better + cheaper and more powerful

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] What, is a 9400M really that weak? I mean my 7900gs can outperform consoles. :|LordQuorthon

Read RedFactionFan's post again. Raw performance is not the issue, the real problem is how PC ports are poorly optimized, and that seems to be a trend that not only won't go away, but it's actually prone to becoming worse with time. 360/PS3 games that are ported to the PC keep asking for more resources as times passes, and that clearly has nothing to do with hardware performace, but with terrible optimization.

get out of here with optimization, that hardware SUCKS and thats final
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The Intel Atom is a piece of crap. They benched marked it and it is slower then the cheapest celeron.

The Ion is also a pice of crap. It doesn't have dedicated memory. They did some benchmarks and it ran games like crap.

People said that streaming movies on it sucks. Like from Hulu. It's slow and unresponsive.

This thing is not worth the money. You can build alot more powerful system for the same price.

Here is an article on just how bad this thing is.

Click hereOr read It Here.

"NVIDIA FINALLY GOT a sucker to put out an 'ion' box. The tame press is fawning over and rewriting the press release, but the interesting parts are what isn't being said.

The product is a mini-PC called the Aspire Revo basically an Atom CPU with an NV 9400 chipset. It is truly a yawner of a product, but there are a lot of interesting things to talk about in spite of this, namely how the news was parsed.

First is that this is a 'desktop' machine, not a netbook. Two things of interest here, first is that Nvidia still can't get 9400 power use to levels needed for the mobile market, so the cherry-picked bins go to Apple, the rest go to everyone else. Since they suck too much (power that is) to go into mobile parts, they are now desktop units.

The second interesting bit is why Acer didn't use a Celeron to do the same job. Given that the machine is a desktop, and a few more watts wouldn't kill the project, using an Atom and a 9400 makes no sense. Looking at the latest Intel price list, the cheapest Atom is $20, but maxes out at 1.10GHz on a 400FSB. Since that one won't get out of its own way doing the tasks Nvidia curiously insists the Ion can do, they will be using a higher spec Atom 230.

That is less expensive than a Celeron 430, aka a 1.8GHz Conroe-based core, but this 1.6GHz Atom will also be obliterated by the Conroe. In fact, all Atoms will. The only difference that matters is wattage, and the Celeron takes more. Without battery life to concern yourself with though, who cares?

The Atom is the wrong chip to use here, it is far too slow, and you use none of its strengths, but get hit with all of its weaknesses. putting a 4W TDP CPU with a 12-15W (estimated) chipset is, well, stupid. If you pay $5 extra for the Celeron CPU, it is money well spent considering the apps you want to run actually run right.

The TDP of the Celeron is 35W, easily dissipated by a cheap heatsink. Any 'faster' Atoms are $10 more than the Celeron, but they don't gain any clock speed, just a second core. The Celeron is still notably more powerful.

Nvidia and Acer picking the Atom here is simply dumb. We know they have a warehouse full of non-Apple spec 9400s they want to dump, but they really should have slapped a Celeron behind it. The only reason that the Atom makes the barest minimum sense is that NV is desperate for an ego boost to try and leverage into a netbook win.

Toss in Vista and you have something that moves with the speed of a syphilitic water buffalo wearing leg irons. Come on now... Vista? Really? They can't be serious. Think about performance here, or lack thereof. Me II barely runs on a real desktop, and they are trying to put it on an anaemic pretender with a buggy chipset?

Getting back to the apps, it is rather humorous to see exactly how much critical thought journalists are putting into the articles, look here and here. Notice they print the same 'features' list, parroted back as if they were gospel.

Remember when journalists were critical, and thought about things they wrote instead of regurgitating PR bull? When you actually test the things instead of taking an honest company's PR statements at face value, you realise that the product doesn't quite run the games they list correctly, and has problems with the video content as well. Don't forget, kiddies, that 'ion' in the Tech Report article has twice the CPU power as the Aspire Revo.

How much is this joke of a platform going to cost you? According to Hot Hardware above, it will have an MSRP of $299 or so. For that money, you can get a Dell Inspiron, a Radeon 3650, and pocket enough to buy yourself some munchies. The Dell will annihilate the Ion in every performance category you can think of, and comes with a DVD-RW drive, keyboard, mouse and accessories.

To top it off, the Dell will actually run the things that NV claims the Ion will but independent testing shows isn't really the case. That claimed $50 premium for the 9400 is really well spent, don't you think? On one hand you get something that works, on the other you get all the marketing power of 'ion', but not a box that runs the things you want it to.

In the end, the Ion is a joke. NV has a lot of 9400s that they want to get rid of, and they found a sucker to put their name on the side. I pity the poor fools who buy this thing and expect it to work right... it won't. It is simply underpowered and overhyped.

If you are in the market for a box like this, wait for the Via or AMD-based boxes, or buy the Dell. You won't be sorry.

It just goes to show, you can buy good press."

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#30 clembo1990
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[QUOTE="RedFactionFan"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

A 9400M graphics card? This is gonna be one weak gaming system.


Granted though, it could probably run most console ports at the same level as consoles or higher.

Vandalvideo

Maybe the ones made by Valve and possibly DMC4, but most other PC versions of console games are poorly optimized and would need much stronger hardware.

What, is a 9400M really that weak? I mean my 7900gs can outperform consoles. :|

Something similar is in the PS3 :P

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The Ion platform should never be advertised as a gaming machine, in the end the only goal of ION was to create a low cost solution that doesn't severely limit what people can do with a PC.

Anyone getting a ion and expecting it to perform well in games will be very disappointed.

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#32 Jade_Monkey
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A 9400M graphics card? This is gonna be one weak gaming system.


Granted though, it could probably run most console ports at the same level as consoles or higher.

DragonfireXZ95

Agreed, but I think that's the point. To run all PC games, just not maxed out.

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#33 BigDaddyPOLO
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That is a bad idea, they should just make it $499 or even $599 and put in some actually decent stuff.

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#34 Tykain
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Why using laptop components ? Even my secondary PC that's mainly used to browse on internet is more powerful than that and probably cost less :/
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9400M? :| that's about as powerful as the most basic of the 8600GTs, they became a good card because there were so many re-imaginings of them. My old spare parts PC could probably out preform this with its 512MB 8600GTS (you can overclock those to a crazy frequency BTW)
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competitive? :lol:
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#37 loco145
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The bad thing is that Intel will keep the Nettops and Netbooks severly gimped with the atom for economic purposes.
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#38 loco145
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9400M? :| that's about as powerful as the most basic of the 8600GTs, they became a good card because there were so many re-imaginings of them. My old spare parts PC could probably out preform this with its 512MB 8600GTS (you can overclock those to a crazy frequency BTW)thegoldenpoo

Well, an 8600s is more powerfull than what the HD consoles have.

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The bad thing is that Intel will keep the Nettops and Netbooks severly gimped with the atom for economic purposes.loco145
That's fine. The only purpose for the netbook is for web browsing and some word processing. It's ideal for students on a budget, and as a compliment to a desktop of laptop..
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#40 loco145
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[QUOTE="loco145"]The bad thing is that Intel will keep the Nettops and Netbooks severly gimped with the atom for economic purposes.Couth_
That's fine. The only purpose for the netbook is for web browsing and some word processing. It's ideal for students on a budget, and as a compliment to a desktop of laptop..

No, Netbooks can do anything than a laptop can do. They are lirtary just smaller and cheaper laptops. The "compliment to a real PC" thing is fud spread by intel and M$ in order to prevent people from replacing their totally overkill expensives PCs for a cheap Netbook that can do anything they need for $300.

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#41 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="loco145"]The bad thing is that Intel will keep the Nettops and Netbooks severly gimped with the atom for economic purposes.loco145

That's fine. The only purpose for the netbook is for web browsing and some word processing. It's ideal for students on a budget, and as a compliment to a desktop of laptop..

No, Netbooks can do anything than a laptop can do. They are lirtary just smaller and cheaper laptops. The "compliment to a real PC" thing is fud spread by intel and M$ in order to prevent people from replacing their totally overkill expensives PCs for a cheap Netbook that can do anything they need for $300.

They can't do half what a real laptop do. They dont even have disc drives. I think you have no idea of all the capabilities a laptop or PC can do :?
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#42 loco145
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[QUOTE="loco145"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"] That's fine. The only purpose for the netbook is for web browsing and some word processing. It's ideal for students on a budget, and as a compliment to a desktop of laptop.. Couth_

No, Netbooks can do anything than a laptop can do. They are lirtary just smaller and cheaper laptops. The "compliment to a real PC" thing is fud spread by intel and M$ in order to prevent people from replacing their totally overkill expensives PCs for a cheap Netbook that can do anything they need for $300.

They can't do half what a real laptop do. They dont even have disc drives. I think you have no idea of all the capabilities a laptop or PC can do :?

Half? Anyway, an USB Disc Drives.... What exaclty an Netbook can't do?

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#43 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="loco145"]

No, Netbooks can do anything than a laptop can do. They are lirtary just smaller and cheaper laptops. The "compliment to a real PC" thing is fud spread by intel and M$ in order to prevent people from replacing their totally overkill expensives PCs for a cheap Netbook that can do anything they need for $300.

loco145

They can't do half what a real laptop do. They dont even have disc drives. I think you have no idea of all the capabilities a laptop or PC can do :?

Half? Anyway, an USB Disc Drives.... What exaclty an Netbook can't do?

A long list of programs that require better hardware, including gaming...
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="loco145"]

No, Netbooks can do anything than a laptop can do. They are lirtary just smaller and cheaper laptops. The "compliment to a real PC" thing is fud spread by intel and M$ in order to prevent people from replacing their totally overkill expensives PCs for a cheap Netbook that can do anything they need for $300.

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They can't do half what a real laptop do. They dont even have disc drives. I think you have no idea of all the capabilities a laptop or PC can do :?

Half? Anyway, an USB Disc Drives.... What exaclty an Netbook can't do?

run crysis :P

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#45 loco145
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[QUOTE="loco145"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"]They can't do half what a real laptop do. They dont even have disc drives. I think you have no idea of all the capabilities a laptop or PC can do :?Couth_

Half? Anyway, an USB Disc Drives.... What exaclty an Netbook can't do?

A long list of programs that require better hardware, including gaming...

A low end PC can't do that things either. And that's exaclty what a Netbook and a Nettop are, small & cheaper lowend PC. They are cheaper PCs, but still PCs. Is not for Crysis players, but they will sufice the needs of a lot of people. My EEE PC have replaced my laptops needs. I do have a mighty Desktop at home, but I can see my fathers needing nothing more than the EEE.

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#46 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="loco145"]

Half? Anyway, an USB Disc Drives.... What exaclty an Netbook can't do?

loco145

A long list of programs that require better hardware, including gaming...

A low end PC can't do that things either. And that's exaclty what a Netbook and a Nettop are, small & cheaper lowend PC. Is not for Crysis players, but they will sufice the needs of a lot of people. My EEE PC have replaced my laptops needs. I do have a mighty Desktop at home, but I can see my fathers needing nothing more than the EEE.

That's exactly what I said. They are good for basic purposes like web browsing and word processing. A low end PC cant do those things either. But you can upgrade it and it can. A PC can. A netbook can not.. At least not yet
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#47 loco145
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[QUOTE="loco145"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"]A long list of programs that require better hardware, including gaming...Couth_

A low end PC can't do that things either. And that's exaclty what a Netbook and a Nettop are, small & cheaper lowend PC. Is not for Crysis players, but they will sufice the needs of a lot of people. My EEE PC have replaced my laptops needs. I do have a mighty Desktop at home, but I can see my fathers needing nothing more than the EEE.

That's exactly what I said. They are good for basic purposes like web browsing and word processing. A low end PC cant do those things either. But you can upgrade it and it can. A PC can. A netbook can not.. At least not yet

A Laptop can't either ;) , even expensive ones like Macbooks. What im talking about is the FUD that M$ and Intel have spread that they aren't real PCs (No multitask? No Music encoding or video playback? Run complex office software? . :lol: The nettop in the OP have better playback than most today desktops) If a Pentium III was good for profesionals use of M$ Office back in early 2000s so is a Nettop.

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#48 shakmaster13
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Seems like a very wallet friendly HTPC to me...

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As long as your expectations are pretty low, sure, some PC gaming can be had on that machine.

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#50 asylumni
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Seems like a very wallet friendly HTPC to me...

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Yep, me too, or a low power media server. I was looking at nettops for just that when my video card fried and I ended up fixing my main computer instead.