Treyarch Vs Infinity Ward, **** just got real

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#1 NickD09
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The gloves are off, Infinity Ward has had enough of Treyarch, it's now personal. Infinity Ward's community man, Robert Bowling, has gone off on one over recent quotes made by Treyarch producer Noah Heller

Noah Heller - Stop Doing Interviews

Seriously man.... You're killing me!

If I see one more Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare google alert come through my inbox, that ends up being a COD:WaW article that is only showing up because YOU referenced Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare more times than you mention World At War....

Especially when you're pulling **** out of your ***. Come on man, interview about your game. Not OURS! Call of Duty: World at War can stand on it's own merits, leave ours out of it. Like this gem of a quote from today's article on CVG...

"In the previous Call of Dutys it might take three or four shots from a bolt action rifle," he explained. "We made sure that a single shot centre mass would kill that opponent because that's the expectation of the player."
WTF are you talking about?! "in previous Call of Dutys blah blah blah". First of all, you didn't work on "previous Call of Dutys", so don't talk as if you're down with how / why things were designed the way they were. Second, you're completely ****ing wrong.

Bolt Action rifles are one hit kills in every Call of Duty we (Infinity Ward) made!!

I won't compare it to World at War's Bolt Actions, I can't speak to that because I don't work there. Just like you don't work here, so please stop talking about our games.

A rule of thumb I like to use is.... when promoting your game. Promote YOUR game. Don't compare it to another game, or reference what OTHER games did in the past, pitch YOUR game. I mean, you have lots of cool things you could talk about... like Nazi Zombies....

Can you guys please stop interviewing this guy, talk to someone who actually works on the Dev Team at Treyarch and knows what the **** they're talking about. Not Senior Super Douche Noah Heller from Activision - who apparently has never played the game and doesn't even work at the developer.

Alright, I'm done ranting... but I can't take another google alert of garbage coming through my inbox with bull**** quotes from this guy.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=201353

How cute.

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#2 Ninten007
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Pretty dumb considering they are working for the same company..........
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#3 UnknownSniper65
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Pretty dumb considering they are working for the same company..........Ninten007

This is hardly surprising....How would you feel if the publisher allowed another company to make a sequel to YOUR franchise...then they referenced everything bad about your game.

Treyarch needs to find its own game series and leave COD alone. COD is Infinity Ward's baby, not Treyarch's.

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#4 clembo1990
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Treyarch did CoD3. So that guy needs to calm down.
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#5 WilliamRLBaker
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lol what a freaking lie!

bolt action rifles are 1 shot kills? they weren't 1 shot kills in cod 1-2-3 or 4 sniper rifles weren't either.

P.S: for reference headshots are one shot kills, but they are with EVERY weapon, but he said center mass center mass is chest and i've hit many people in all 4 games center mass with a bolt action rifle and it never killed them.

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#6 UnknownSniper65
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Treyarch did CoD3. So that guy needs to calm down.clembo1990

"that guy" and his company made COD 1,2,4.....:|

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#7 R4gn4r0k
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Uhm ... have you read the article ?

See the bold.

The gloves are off, Infinity Ward has had enough of Treyarch, it's now personal. Infinity Ward's community man, Robert Bowling, has gone off on one over recent quotes made by Treyarch producer Noah Heller

Noah Heller - Stop Doing Interviews

Seriously man.... You're killing me!

If I see one more Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare google alert come through my inbox, that ends up being a COD:WaW article that is only showing up because YOU referenced Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare more times than you mention World At War....

Especially when you're pulling **** out of your ***. Come on man, interview about your game. Not OURS! Call of Duty: World at War can stand on it's own merits, leave ours out of it. Like this gem of a quote from today's article on CVG...

"In the previous Call of Dutys it might take three or four shots from a bolt action rifle," he explained. "We made sure that a single shot centre mass would kill that opponent because that's the expectation of the player."
WTF are you talking about?! "in previous Call of Dutys blah blah blah". First of all, you didn't work on "previous Call of Dutys", so don't talk as if you're down with how / why things were designed the way they were. Second, you're completely ****ing wrong.

Bolt Action rifles are one hit kills in every Call of Duty we (Infinity Ward) made!!

I won't compare it to World at War's Bolt Actions, I can't speak to that because I don't work there. Just like you don't work here, so please stop talking about our games.

A rule of thumb I like to use is.... when promoting your game. Promote YOUR game. Don't compare it to another game, or reference what OTHER games did in the past, pitch YOUR game. I mean, you have lots of cool things you could talk about... like Nazi Zombies....

Can you guys please stop interviewing this guy, talk to someone who actually works on the Dev Team at Treyarch and knows what the **** they're talking about. Not Senior Super Douche Noah Heller from Activision - who apparently has never played the game and doesn't even work at the developer.

Alright, I'm done ranting... but I can't take another google alert of garbage coming through my inbox with bull**** quotes from this guy.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=201353

How cute.

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#8 clembo1990
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[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Treyarch did CoD3. So that guy needs to calm down.UnknownSniper65

"that guy" and his company made COD 1,2,4.....:|

Still Treyarch did 2 games for their franchise and under the same company. The guy got his facts wrong himself and totally misinterpreted te Treyarch guy. Hell, if CliffyB started talking trash about Bungie we'd have a real ****-storm (different companies but both contracted to do games for MS)

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#9 drekula
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COD = Subpar series in general

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#10 UnknownSniper65
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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Treyarch did CoD3. So that guy needs to calm down.clembo1990

"that guy" and his company made COD 1,2,4.....:|

Still Treyarch did 2 games for their franchise and under the same company. The guy got his facts wrong himself and totally misinterpreted te Treyarch guy. Hell, if CliffyB started talking trash about Bungie we'd have a real ****-storm (different companies but both contracted to do games for MS)


This is a different situation all together...I am 100% sure CliffB would have no problem tossing an insult at bungie if some how Microsoft made Bungie develope Gears of War 3(would never happen ,but just for the sake of argument) and started bashing some of Epics gameplay decisions.
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#11 mamkem6
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bla,bla,bla

Bolt Action rifles are one hit kills in every Call of Duty we (Infinity Ward) made!!

bla,bla,bla

NickD09

There were times when the guy did not die even with the direct hit in the torso with 50 cal sniper rifle

Also sometimes it takes 2 shots in the head with the pistol or sub-machine gun for someone to die

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#12 shakmaster13
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treyarch is just as good if not better than IW. if they had the same timeframe to make games as IW, cod3 would have been even more awesome
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#13 tiger35010
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treyarch is just as good if not better than IW. if they had the same timeframe to make games as IW, cod3 would have been even more awesomeshakmaster13
but IW built the current CoD engine, something i doubt treyarch could ever do... anyways this "dispute" isn't treyarch vs IW, its 1guy vs that publisher...
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#14 clembo1990
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[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Treyarch did CoD3. So that guy needs to calm down.UnknownSniper65

"that guy" and his company made COD 1,2,4.....:|

Still Treyarch did 2 games for their franchise and under the same company. The guy got his facts wrong himself and totally misinterpreted te Treyarch guy. Hell, if CliffyB started talking trash about Bungie we'd have a real ****-storm (different companies but both contracted to do games for MS)


This is a different situation all together...I am 100% sure CliffB would have no problem tossing an insult at bungie if some how Microsoft made Bungie develope Gears of War 3(would never happen ,but just for the sake of argument) and started bashing some of Epics gameplay decisions.

More likely Epic making Halo 4 :P I could imagine Bungie getting pretty annoyed about Gears 2:

a little spoiler

everything introduced about the locust in Gears 2 feels more and more like the Covenant. Even the matchmaking system is copying Halo. Gears was already a huge hit there was no need to copycat Halo. If it were the other way aroun CliffyB (or any loud-mouth) would be up in arms.

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#15 clembo1990
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[QUOTE="NickD09"]

bla,bla,bla

Bolt Action rifles are one hit kills in every Call of Duty we (Infinity Ward) made!!

bla,bla,bla

mamkem6

There were times when the guy did not die even with the direct hit in the torso with 50 cal sniper rifle

Also sometimes it takes 2 shots in the head with the pistol or sub-machine gun for someone to die

The Barrett 50 cal isn't bolt action ;) the Kar98k almost always got the guy down in one shot.

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#16 Lto_thaG
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I think Treyarch did an amazing job on World At War.I love the Beta and I like it more than COD4.That has to do with my love for WW2 themed games.
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#17 Sony_Narutendo
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Looks like Infinity Ward is gonna start poppin some caps...
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#18 SpruceCaboose
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Good. I would be mad if I was Infinity Ward as well. They have to give Treyarch their game engine and much of their assets so that Treyarch can make games in a series Infinity Ward made famous.

Its been no secret that Infinity Ward does not like the situation, as they referred to CoD4 Modern Warfare as Call of Duty 3 through all of development.

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#19 mamkem6
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[QUOTE="mamkem6"]

[QUOTE="NickD09"]

bla,bla,bla

Bolt Action rifles are one hit kills in every Call of Duty we (Infinity Ward) made!!

bla,bla,bla

clembo1990

There were times when the guy did not die even with the direct hit in the torso with 50 cal sniper rifle

Also sometimes it takes 2 shots in the head with the pistol or sub-machine gun for someone to die

The Barrett 50 cal isn't bolt action ;) the Kar98k almost always got the guy down in one shot.

It is the most powerful weapon in real life out of all weapons in COD4.

So I think one shot - one kill is a must

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#20 BobHipJames
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He is a producer....people need to stop giving credibility to these people anyway.

On the other hand, I shot somebody in the leg with a Barrett 50 cal in COD4, and he sprinted away. Lol?

IRL his leg would be gone.

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#21 BobHipJames
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[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="mamkem6"]

[QUOTE="NickD09"]

bla,bla,bla

Bolt Action rifles are one hit kills in every Call of Duty we (Infinity Ward) made!!

bla,bla,bla

mamkem6

There were times when the guy did not die even with the direct hit in the torso with 50 cal sniper rifle

Also sometimes it takes 2 shots in the head with the pistol or sub-machine gun for someone to die

The Barrett 50 cal isn't bolt action ;) the Kar98k almost always got the guy down in one shot.

It is the most powerful weapon in real life out of all weapons in COD4.

So I think one shot - one kill is a must

8 mm Mauser muzzle energy: 4,000 Joules (Kar 98K)

50 cal BMG muzzle energy: 14,000 Joules (Barrett .50)

It's a gigantic hunk of lead flying at over 3,000 feet per second. It won't kill you, it will rip you to pieces.

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#22 EuroMafia
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What's the problem with him comparing previous COD games to WAW?

That guy needs to chill.

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#23 deactivated-5f4694ac412a8
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That guy needs to take a chill pill.
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#24 fatzebra
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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Treyarch did CoD3. So that guy needs to calm down.clembo1990

"that guy" and his company made COD 1,2,4.....:|

Still Treyarch did 2 games for their franchise and under the same company. The guy got his facts wrong himself and totally misinterpreted te Treyarch guy. Hell, if CliffyB started talking trash about Bungie we'd have a real ****-storm (different companies but both contracted to do games for MS)

But Treyarch's games completely sucked in comparison, especially if you've played 1 or 2 on the pc. 4 was really good but Treyarch COMPLETELY copied it to WaW except new guns and zombies. It is utterly redicoulous how alike these games are. Nazis spawning with M1 GARANDS? are you F*^$#$% joking? Ugh, WaW is a waste of time. Try IW's CoD 1-2 if you wan't a real WW2 experience.

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#25 bigLLL
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actually cod4 has sort of set the bar for how 1st person shooters should feel and play so I hardly call it a subpar series, it's quite amazing

COD = Subpar series in general

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#26 bigLLL
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we will see in like 1-2 days if treyarch can make a good call of duty game, with cod3 that used the didnt have enough time to develope the game, which I think they only had a year so fair enough, but now they have had a good 2 years, so it's really the moment of truth for treyarch
[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Treyarch did CoD3. So that guy needs to calm down.fatzebra

"that guy" and his company made COD 1,2,4.....:|

Still Treyarch did 2 games for their franchise and under the same company. The guy got his facts wrong himself and totally misinterpreted te Treyarch guy. Hell, if CliffyB started talking trash about Bungie we'd have a real ****-storm (different companies but both contracted to do games for MS)

But Treyarch's games completely sucked in comparison, especially if you've played 1 or 2 on the pc. 4 was really good but Treyarch COMPLETELY copied it to WaW except new guns and zombies. It is utterly redicoulous how alike these games are. Nazis spawning with M1 GARANDS? are you F*^$#$% joking? Ugh, WaW is a waste of time. Try IW's CoD 1-2 if you wan't a real WW2 experience.

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#27 ReddestSkies
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I'd be pissed too if I made an awesome game, and then my publisher made me rehash it yearly (while newbifying and consolizing it). Noticing that my company couldn't keep up, they'd then contract some random console chumps to make sure that it is indeed rehashed yearly, and as if that wasn't enough, the PR guy in charge of hyping those chumps' games would run his mouth about how my games are broken.

Also, lol at that PR guy thinking that people are expecting realism from COD games.

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#28 mingo123
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Inever knew bolt action guns were 1 hit kill :| also Activision is making Treyarch develop COD and Treyarch did good job with both Cod3 and Cod waw
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#29 mingo123
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I'd be pissed too if I made an awesome game, and then my publisher made me rehash it yearly (while newbifying and consolizing it). Noticing that my company couldn't keep up, they'd then contract some random console chumps to make sure that it is indeed rehashed yearly, and as if that wasn't enough, the PR guy in charge of hyping those chumps' games would run his mouth about how my games are broken.

Also, lol at that PR guy thinking that people are expecting realism from COD games.

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why would you be pissed when the games are fun even when rehashed? oh i know why, coz they are on console :) and you're a hermit

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#30 ReddestSkies
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[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

I'd be pissed too if I made an awesome game, and then my publisher made me rehash it yearly (while newbifying and consolizing it). Noticing that my company couldn't keep up, they'd then contract some random console chumps to make sure that it is indeed rehashed yearly, and as if that wasn't enough, the PR guy in charge of hyping those chumps' games would run his mouth about how my games are broken.

Also, lol at that PR guy thinking that people are expecting realism from COD games.

mingo123

why would you be pissed when the games are fun even when rehashed? oh i know why, coz they are on console :) and you're a hermit

They're on PC too... It's just that COD4 is exactly the same game as COD1, except that it has different weapons, prettier graphics and newb elements like auto-healing. The games are fun, but they get old after playing the same thing yearly for half a decade; I'm not even considering playing COD5: World War 2 Revisited Again

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#31 mingo123
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[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

I'd be pissed too if I made an awesome game, and then my publisher made me rehash it yearly (while newbifying and consolizing it). Noticing that my company couldn't keep up, they'd then contract some random console chumps to make sure that it is indeed rehashed yearly, and as if that wasn't enough, the PR guy in charge of hyping those chumps' games would run his mouth about how my games are broken.

Also, lol at that PR guy thinking that people are expecting realism from COD games.

ReddestSkies

why would you be pissed when the games are fun even when rehashed? oh i know why, coz they are on console :) and you're a hermit

They're on PC too... It's just that COD4 is exactly the same game as COD1, except that it has different weapons, prettier graphics and newb elements like auto-healing. The games are fun, but they get old after playing the same thing yearly for half a decade; I'm not even considering playing COD5: World War 2 Revisited Again

cod1 was different from cod4, you can say cod4 is cod2 with modern themes and perks but who cares? cod 4was bloody awesome and so is COD5, yes cod5 is set in WW2 but still its alot different from previous from other ww cods

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#32 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="mamkem6"]

[QUOTE="NickD09"]

bla,bla,bla

Bolt Action rifles are one hit kills in every Call of Duty we (Infinity Ward) made!!

bla,bla,bla

clembo1990

There were times when the guy did not die even with the direct hit in the torso with 50 cal sniper rifle

Also sometimes it takes 2 shots in the head with the pistol or sub-machine gun for someone to die

The Barrett 50 cal isn't bolt action ;) the Kar98k almost always got the guy down in one shot.

I've used every bolt action single shot rifle he didn't say sniper rifles he said bolt action which includes quite a few guns in the game, and sorry but a 50 cal anti material rifle outpowers a kar any day but never the less i've used them all and none of them get center mass one shot kills.

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#33 MyopicCanadian
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lol what a freaking lie!

bolt action rifles are 1 shot kills? they weren't 1 shot kills in cod 1-2-3 or 4 sniper rifles weren't either.

P.S: for reference headshots are one shot kills, but they are with EVERY weapon, but he said center mass center mass is chest and i've hit many people in all 4 games center mass with a bolt action rifle and it never killed them.

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Exactly! What is this dude talking about? He obviously doesn't understand what "centre mass" means.. no it's not someone's head! hehe. In previous Call of Dutys, the person you hit just stumbles unless you get a headshot.

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#34 Wanderer5
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Wow that guy needs to calm down.
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#35 Phazevariance
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Treyarch did CoD3. So that guy needs to calm down.clembo1990

COD3, which sucked.

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Wow. This is crazy. I have never seen developers go at each other so much.
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#37 Mordred19
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Both guys are wrong. One shot kills with vanilla bolt actions in COD4 (ie, no stopping power perk) did not always happen for torso shots. But then again, it never took more than two shots to the torso to down someone in COD4. It never took "3 to 4" shots to do it.
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#38 Buneroid
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Isn't this pretty old?

Anyways I would be kinda pissed too, but that's just immature.

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#39 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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The reason why the guy at IW is so pissed is because he sees CoD: WaW like many people see it. A CoD4 with attack dogs, and new maps. Plus the people at Treyarch aren't guiltless in this conflict either. The game should be able to stand on its own without its predescessor being mentioned. I say that the only resloution is a cage match to the death or a street fight outside of Activision HQ.
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#40 ninjaxams
Member since 2004 • 7500 Posts

COD = Subpar series in general

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starfox avatar? really? stfu and stfd...
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#41 MrSlippery39
Member since 2004 • 730 Posts
[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="mamkem6"]

There were times when the guy did not die even with the direct hit in the torso with 50 cal sniper rifle

Also sometimes it takes 2 shots in the head with the pistol or sub-machine gun for someone to die

mamkem6

The Barrett 50 cal isn't bolt action ;) the Kar98k almost always got the guy down in one shot.

It is the most powerful weapon in real life out of all weapons in COD4.

So I think one shot - one kill is a must

Sure then that would make the game even more non-balanced. Seriously, if you can't kill people with a sniper rifle in one shot then you suck at the game. Its so easy just aim for the chest. Don't blame the game for you being bad at it.

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#42 der_spudmeister
Member since 2005 • 607 Posts
I'm gonna quote this guy because his answer got lost in the shuffle.
Uhm ... have you read the article ?

See the bold.

[QUOTE="NickD09"]
talk to someone who actually works on the Dev Team at Treyarch and knows what the **** they're talking about. Not Senior Super Douche Noah Heller from Activision - who apparently has never played the game and doesn't even work at the developer.

Alright, I'm done ranting... but I can't take another google alert of garbage coming through my inbox with bull**** quotes from this guy.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=201353

How cute.

R4gn4r0k

Heller doesn't work for Treyarch, he works for Activision itself. There is no feud between both developers. And yes, this is old.
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#43 Fusible
Member since 2005 • 2828 Posts
Treyarch did CoD3. So that guy needs to calm down.clembo1990
Yeah and COD3 sucked. I returned it the next day.
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#44 Nintendo_Ownes7
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[QUOTE="mamkem6"][QUOTE="NickD09"]

bla,bla,bla

Bolt Action rifles are one hit kills in every Call of Duty we (Infinity Ward) made!!

bla,bla,bla

clembo1990

There were times when the guy did not die even with the direct hit in the torso with 50 cal sniper rifle

Also sometimes it takes 2 shots in the head with the pistol or sub-machine gun for someone to die

The Barrett 50 cal isn't bolt action ;) the Kar98k almost always got the guy down in one shot.

The Kar98k is my favorite gun in the series I always try to steal one of those guns when I play it. I wouldn't even fire my first gun if I don't start with the Kar98k I smack them with my gun then steal their gun.
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#46 Next-Gen-Tec
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A rule of thumb I like to use is.... when promoting your game. Promote YOUR game. Don't compare it to another game, or reference what OTHER games did in the past, pitch YOUR game. I mean, you have lots of cool things you could talk about... like Nazi Zombies....
NickD09

Someone bumped this, but funny how that quote kinda' backfired.

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#47 DethSkematik
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Wow...so would this mean that some people from Treyarch/Infinity Ward will ditch Activision and work for EA? Who knows...then maybe they can make a Medal of Honor that doesn't suck ;).
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#48 dakan45
Member since 2009 • 18819 Posts
Infinity ward>>>>>>>treyarch.
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#49 Rob-Belmont
Member since 2009 • 1350 Posts

I can definitley see where they're coming from, I hope IW leave Activision soon, they could do so much better else where.

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#50 campzor
Member since 2004 • 34932 Posts
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

lol what a freaking lie!

bolt action rifles are 1 shot kills? they weren't 1 shot kills in cod 1-2-3 or 4 sniper rifles weren't either.

P.S: for reference headshots are one shot kills, but they are with EVERY weapon, but he said center mass center mass is chest and i've hit many people in all 4 games center mass with a bolt action rifle and it never killed them.

yes they were... the kar98 can kill in 1 hit.. and the mosin..and their scoped counterparts.. i dont know what your on about..