True console price?

Before i say what im gonna say i'll say this:

I never come into system wars so i don't know wether i'll get sensible responses (i hope so) or just pure fanboyism.

And im not a fanboy btw, i own a PS3 but play my friends 360 most of the time.

Anyway...

What is the 'true' price of consoles in the long run?

Xbox360 - True the console is cheaper than the PS3 but you have to buy a seperate HD/DVD drive, a WI-FI- connector and wireless controllers (not sure about the controllers) you also have to change the batteries in the controllers if i remember right, then the biggest cost of all is the xbox live subscription (which considering this generation will last for an average of 5 years counts for a lot)

PS3 - Expensive to buy right off the bat but there arent any real costs after this, it comes with free online play and a blue ray player built in (which may be pointless depending how the DVD format war turns out), comes with wireless controller also. Other than the initial price there isnt anything else you have to fork out on except maybe a HDMI cable (but the 360 doesnt have one either so thats void)

WII - Cheap as hell to buy (i can't see it lasting through this generation mainly because of limited graphics but meh), things to buy are probably just the additions to the controller (like the golf club addition pack etc) and thats about it as far as i know.

Basically what im trying to say is that i hear people saying the PS3 is way too expensive so buy a 360, but in the end they both turn out to cost you the same (the 360 would actually cost more in the long run)

Anyway, im off

Cheers

These topics are a dead concern because you dont need alot of extras that you are pointing out so price is determained by what you want and you should not have to pay for things you dont want i.e. BluRay.wooooode

Wrong, online capability is pretty much a given nowdays, which mens you 'need' the wi-fi adapter and xbox live, where the ps3 has them for free.

[QUOTE="wooooode"]These topics are a dead concern because you dont need alot of extras that you are pointing out so price is determained by what you want and you should not have to pay for things you dont want i.e. BluRay.SephirothsAngel

Wrong, online capability is pretty much a given nowdays, which mens you 'need' the wi-fi adapter and xbox live, where the ps3 has them for free.

[QUOTE="SephirothsAngel"]

[QUOTE="wooooode"]These topics are a dead concern because you dont need alot of extras that you are pointing out so price is determained by what you want and you should not have to pay for things you dont want i.e. BluRay.Sooshy

Wrong, online capability is pretty much a given nowdays, which mens you 'need' the wi-fi adapter and xbox live, where the ps3 has them for free.

Most people do since it such a hastle to connect a console to the internet through ethernet. (usally in different rooms etc etc)

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="SephirothsAngel"]

[QUOTE="wooooode"]These topics are a dead concern because you dont need alot of extras that you are pointing out so price is determained by what you want and you should not have to pay for things you dont want i.e. BluRay.SephirothsAngel

Wrong, online capability is pretty much a given nowdays, which mens you 'need' the wi-fi adapter and xbox live, where the ps3 has them for free.

Most people do since it such a hastle to connect a console to the internet through ethernet. (usally in different rooms etc etc)

[QUOTE="SephirothsAngel"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="SephirothsAngel"]

[QUOTE="wooooode"]These topics are a dead concern because you dont need alot of extras that you are pointing out so price is determained by what you want and you should not have to pay for things you dont want i.e. BluRay.Sooshy

Wrong, online capability is pretty much a given nowdays, which mens you 'need' the wi-fi adapter and xbox live, where the ps3 has them for free.

Most people do since it such a hastle to connect a console to the internet through ethernet. (usally in different rooms etc etc)

[QUOTE="SephirothsAngel"]

[QUOTE="wooooode"]These topics are a dead concern because you dont need alot of extras that you are pointing out so price is determained by what you want and you should not have to pay for things you dont want i.e. BluRay.Sooshy

Wrong, online capability is pretty much a given nowdays, which mens you 'need' the wi-fi adapter and xbox live, where the ps3 has them for free.

Xbox360 - True the console is cheaper than the PS3 but you have to buy a seperate HD/DVD drive, a WI-FI- connector and wireless controllers (not sure about the controllers) you also have to change the batteries in the controllers if i remember right, then the biggest cost of all is the xbox live subscription (which considering this generation will last for an average of 5 years counts for a lot) SephirothsAngel

You don't *have* to buy the HD-DVD add-on to play any game, unlike the mandatory Blu-Ray usage on the PS3. It's only used for movies, which, as you said in your PS3 section, are part of the silly format war. Wi-Fi is also not needed unless your Xbox 360 is far away from a computer or broadband modem (and even then, 20ft ethernet cables are pretty cheap in PC stores). As for the controllers, either buy a Play & Charge kit for $10 or get some cheap rechargable AA batteries. Xbox Live can also be found cheaper if you shop around on eBay. Older original Xbox subscriptions are also compatible, which few people tend to take advantage of. Plus, what's more bearable, $250 spread out nicely over five years, or an extra $200 slap in one go, courtosy of the PS3's enormous pricing difference?

the additions to the controller (like the golf club addition pack etc) and thats about it as far as i know. SephirothsAngel

Err, most of the "additions" come free with the games, for example the free steering wheel attachment in some crap Ubisoft racing game. And even them, they are not necessary. Plus you are are truly wasting your money by buying tat like the Zelda sword and shield pack.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="SephirothsAngel"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="SephirothsAngel"]

[QUOTE="wooooode"]These topics are a dead concern because you dont need alot of extras that you are pointing out so price is determained by what you want and you should not have to pay for things you dont want i.e. BluRay.SephirothsAngel

Wrong, online capability is pretty much a given nowdays, which mens you 'need' the wi-fi adapter and xbox live, where the ps3 has them for free.

Most people do since it such a hastle to connect a console to the internet through ethernet. (usally in different rooms etc etc)

XBL is 14 cents a day, If I was worried about the cost I would pick up the change I see in the street everyday.Riverwolf007

So you pay your subscription in daily payment? i think not.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]XBL is 14 cents a day, If I was worried about the cost I would pick up the change I see in the street everyday.SephirothsAngel

So you pay your subscription in daily payment? i think not.

[QUOTE="SephirothsAngel"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]XBL is 14 cents a day, If I was worried about the cost I would pick up the change I see in the street everyday.Riverwolf007

So you pay your subscription in daily payment? i think not.

The point of this thread isnt to say wether or not you notice the cost, im saying the overall the price differences in the consolesisnt really a big factor in the end.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="SephirothsAngel"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]XBL is 14 cents a day, If I was worried about the cost I would pick up the change I see in the street everyday.SephirothsAngel

So you pay your subscription in daily payment? i think not.

The point of this thread isnt to say wether or not you notice the cost, im saying the overall the price differences in the consolesisnt really a big factor in the end.

Wow, I feel like I stepped into the Way-Back machine. It's been awhile since I have seen a thread like this, where the TC includes all of these optional things with the 360 (stating that they must be bought) and then concludes that the price of the 360 is as much or more than the PS3. Mind you, because it has been awhile does not mean in any way that this is at all original. TC, maybe before posting such a topic, you should spend a little time in System Wars. THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH.

Online isn't needed (I have it pretty much only for Lost Planet and because $50 a year is nothing to me), the 360 premium comes with a wireless controller, if you buy a regular battery charger, you can use it for your 360 controller and every other device that uses AA batteries in your house. Wi-fi, as someone else stated, is not needed. I think you are confusing want with need.

does the PS3 still not come with HD cables and a headset?

not to mention that the wifi for x360 is damn expensive....joeychew

you can buy a router and use it as an access point...then plug it into the 360 via the ethernet port and its only $50...if you know anything about setting up a network

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5250774&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat7000050002&id=1051384663529

does the PS3 still not come with HD cables and a headset?

Medjai

[QUOTE="Medjai"]

does the PS3 still not come with HD cables and a headset?

Riverwolf007

I knew they were I was just wanting the TC to answer it ;)

BluTooth headset + HD cables ~ $70

I have a 32" HDTV(720p) which is fine for me...DVD's look fine IMO...I could see people with huge HDTV's wanting HD movies but if you can afford those TV's are not prob concerned with a cple dollars here and there...also they make up a small percent of consumers

point is both console screw you in one way or another; I will try for a fair comparison the TC's was sorta biased

If you are buying the console at a store (all $ from bestbuy), are buying no stuff online, and this is the first nexgen console you are buying (IE you are not upgrading a premium)...I will use 720p as the base but I will also give a 1080p comparison as well and I will use the cheapest HDMI cables sold at said store...also I will assume you buy XBL for one year, the PSN vs XBL comparison has also already been beatin to death, some people preferpaying for XBL cause they think its a better service overall and some people just like PSN cause its free...I will use a headset because its kinda needed to play online but I will include the play and chrge kit for the 360 and assume you have a spare usb cable laying around to charge your PS3 controller...all initial cost of buying the console and using it (being able to play online)

PS3

$600 for console

$50 for headset

optional HDMI cable $60 or Component HD cable $20

PS3 = $670 or $710 (depending on HDMI)

360 - will use Elite

console $480

wireless access point $50

1 year XBL $50

play and charge kit $23

360 = $543 - $603 (depending on WIFI)

so say what you want about XBL being $50 thru the course of owning the console you could buy it for two additional years(3years total)and that would equal the initial price of the PS3 console...and I didn't bring up the fact that you will have to replace you PS3 controller at some point because you can't replace just the battery...and not to mention the Elite has a 120GB harddrive compared to 60GB for the PS3

EDIT* replaceElite's HDMI with wireless access point

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

does the PS3 still not come with HD cables and a headset?

Medjai

I knew they were I was just wanting the TC to answer it ;)

BluTooth headset + HD cables ~ $70

I have a 32" HDTV(720p) which is fine for me...DVD's look fine IMO...I could see people with huge HDTV's wanting HD movies but if you can afford those TV's are not prob concerned with a cple dollars here and there...also they make up a small percent of consumers

point is both console screw you in one way or another; I will try for a fair comparison the TC's was sorta biased

If you are buying the console at a store (all $ from bestbuy), are buying no stuff online, and this is the first nexgen console you are buying (IE you are not upgrading a premium)...I will use 720p as the base but I will also give a 1080p comparison as well and I will use the cheapest HDMI cables sold at said store...also I will assume you buy XBL for one year, the PSN vs XBL comparison has also already been beatin to death, some people preferpaying for XBL cause they think its a better service overall and some people just like PSN cause its free...I will use a headset because its kinda needed to play online but I will include the play and chrge kit for the 360 and assume you have a spare usb cable laying around to charge your PS3 controller...all initial cost of buying the console and using it (being able to play online)

PS3

$600 for console

$50 for headset

optional HDMI cable $60 or Component HD cable $20

PS3 = $670 or $710 (depending on HDMI)

360 - will use Elite

console $480

optional HDMI $60

1 year XBL $50

play and charge kit $23

360 = $553 - $613 (depending on HDMI)

so say what you want about XBL being $50 thru the course of owning the console you could buy it for two additional years(3years total)and that would equal the initial price of the PS3 console...and I didn't bring up the fact that you will have to replace you PS3 controller at some point because you can't replace just the battery...

The Elite has a pack in component and HDMI cable so its included. Yeah what were they thinking with sealing the battery into the PS3 controller???Riverwolf007

I will use a wireless access point instead; I am just trying to make it so you get the same experience right out of the box for both systems

Not everybody wants wifi and HDDVD. I'm not saying that the PS3 doesn't benefit from those features, but that those features aren't important to everyone.

Yes, your points are good though.

Not everybody wants wifi and HDDVD. I'm not saying that the PS3 doesn't benefit from those features, but that those features aren't important to everyone.

Yes, your points are good though.

osirisomeomi

my points are better ;)

The reason that I lkie the 360 is that it is optional. Why should Joe have to buy extra stuff that he doesn't want.........I will personally tell you how much I have spent on my 360

1. Xbox 360 Core- $300............I couldn't find any Premium models last march so I went ahead and got a core.

2. Hard Drive- $100

3. Headset- Free.....I use my original XBL headset

4. Component cable- $40

5. HD DVD add-on- $200

6. XBL- 2 years so far (paid thru 02/08 )- $100

7. 2 wireless controllers- $100

8. Currently 3 games- $180

9. Batteries- Free.......Already owned I-C3 15 minute rechargables

10. 2 year extended warranty- $50(covered thru 04/09)

Grand total: $1070

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]The Elite has a pack in component and HDMI cable so its included. Yeah what were they thinking with sealing the battery into the PS3 controller???Medjai

I will use a wireless access point instead; I am just trying to make it so you get the same experience right out of the box for both systems

Look around on avforums.com to see the cable arguements.