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#1 Delsage
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CNet was holding a poll to see what the consumers thought as to which driving simulator was better.

Well apparently during the polls Turn 10's community manager Che Chou decided to post on the Froza Motorsports forums to say that if the community voted for Froza 3, each one that casted a vote would get a free Unicorn download for Froza 2, which is apparently a very rare vehicle in the game, in which the forum got over 2,200 replies many of which asking for the download after casting the vote.

Needless to say CNet recently closed down the polls because of complaints of cheating with GT5 still in the lead by over 1,000 votes.

Well, not very noble of Trun 10. Though many will defend what they did I wont doubt.

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Wow. Thats pretty funny. I guess they not that confident in their game. Who knows? But funny none the less.

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#3 Sir_Lawl
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Again, that's like saying GS cheated in the Webbys award by offering a rare emblem to anyone who voted. It's not cheating.

Cheating would be something like doubling the votes by hacking or something like that.

So calm down.

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#4 Chutebox
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CNet was holding a poll to see what the consumers thought as to which driving simulator was better.

Well apparently during the polls Turn 10's community manager Che Chou decided to post on the Froza Motorsports forums to say that if the community voted for Froza 3, each one that casted a vote would get a free Unicorn download for Froza 2, which is apparently a very rare vehicle in the game, in which the forum got over 2,200 replies many of which asking for the download after casting the vote.

Needless to say CNet recently closed down the polls because of complaints of cheating with GT5 still in the lead by over 1,000 votes.

Well, not very noble of Trun 10. Though many will defend what they did I wont doubt.

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Link to the Forums of the bribe

Delsage
Some have been defending them all night. It's just funny they still lost the poll.
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#5 Delsage
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Again, that's like saying GS cheated in the Webbys award by offering a rare emblem to anyone who voted. It's not cheating.

Cheating would be something like doubling the votes by hacking or something like that.

So calm down.

Sir_Lawl
You know if Polyphony did this you would be up in arms. So yeah, this is cheating, CNet had to close the polls due to it being cheating. read the links before you make a claim please.
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#6 delta3074
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to see what the consumers thought as to which driving simulator was better.Well apparently during the polls Turn 10's community manager Che Chou decided to post on the Froza Motorsports forums to say that if the community voted for Froza 3, each one that casted a vote would get a free Unicorn download for Froza 2, which is apparently a very rare vehicle in the game, in which the forum got over 2,200 replies many of which asking for the download after casting the voteDelsage
well it's not exactly cheating, but it's not very good behaviour either, in fact it's downright dodgy, serves them right that gt5 still won, this kind of behaviour also ruined the results from the poll,gt5 could have finished a respectable 3,200 ahead.
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#7 Delsage
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well it's not exactly cheating, but it's not very good behaviour either, in fact it's downright dodgy, serves them right that gt5 still won, this kind of behaviour also ruined the results from the poll,gt5 could have finished a respectable 3,200 ahead.delta3074
It's just plain dirty, and no that's not an opinion.
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#8 VitunLehmat
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Turn 10 didn't hack the poll,so this thread fails,cheating is hacking the poll.
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#9 Delsage
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Turn 10 didn't hack the poll,so this thread fails,cheating is hacking the poll.VitunLehmat
So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?
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#10 Cherokee_Jack
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Eh. I think the large majority of the people who took them up on that offer would have voted Forza anyway. It is a little sneaky, but it's not something to get up in arms about.
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So Gran Turismo was still in the lead... after the cheating on Forza's behalf :|

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#12 SpinoRaptor24
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Cheating is a strong word. They just offered a prize to people who voted for them.It's not like they forced them to vote or hack the poll or anything like that.

And hey, GT5 was still leading anyway.

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[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Again, that's like saying GS cheated in the Webbys award by offering a rare emblem to anyone who voted. It's not cheating.

Cheating would be something like doubling the votes by hacking or something like that.

So calm down.

Delsage
You know if Polyphony did this you would be up in arms. So yeah, this is cheating, CNet had to close the polls due to it being cheating. read the links before you make a claim please.

no id have the same view, but we know cows would be defending it just as hard as lemmings. Polls aren't fair online its easy to change your ip and vote, simply put the only reason GT5 won is because thats exactly what happend cows got as many people to vote even if they didn't care and change ip's and such forza was leading quite a bit of the time the poll was up with a 1000 votes comming in within an hour yeah...Polls aren't fair and this isn't cheating.
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[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="VitunLehmat"] So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?

[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]Turn 10 didn't hack the poll,so this thread fails,cheating is hacking the poll.Delsage
So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?

lol they all ready do that, they convince people to vote for them by promising them tax cuts...ect
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#15 Delsage
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Cheating is a strong word. They just offered a prize to people who voted for them.It's not like they forced them to vote or hack the poll or anything like that.

And hey, GT5 was still leading anyway.

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You know back before the internet was ever around, if you bribed someone to vote for you or your product in some way, than yes it was still considered cheating. Even today the same logic still applies.
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#16 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"]well it's not exactly cheating, but it's not very good behaviour either, in fact it's downright dodgy, serves them right that gt5 still won, this kind of behaviour also ruined the results from the poll,gt5 could have finished a respectable 3,200 ahead.Delsage
It's just plain dirty, and no that's not an opinion.

you are absolutely right, might i add it is also very immature of them as well
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#17 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Cheating is a strong word. They just offered a prize to people who voted for them.It's not like they forced them to vote or hack the poll or anything like that.

And hey, GT5 was still leading anyway.

Delsage
You know back before the internet was ever around, if you bribed someone to vote for you or your product in some way, than yes it was still considered cheating. Even today the same logic still applies.

The "bribe" is something that's only desirable to people who are into Forza 2. And probably most of the people who would see the offer are those who frequent the Forza forums. So it's not at all the same as a politician bribing voters.
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[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]Turn 10 didn't hack the poll,so this thread fails,cheating is hacking the poll.Delsage
So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?

Actually, that would be cheating as it is in fact illegal. This is more like highly amoral, but not technically cheating since they didn't make any rule saying you couldn't promote yourself.
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#19 Delsage
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[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Again, that's like saying GS cheated in the Webbys award by offering a rare emblem to anyone who voted. It's not cheating.

Cheating would be something like doubling the votes by hacking or something like that.

So calm down.

WilliamRLBaker
You know if Polyphony did this you would be up in arms. So yeah, this is cheating, CNet had to close the polls due to it being cheating. read the links before you make a claim please.

no id have the same view, but we know cows would be defending it just as hard as lemmings. Polls aren't fair online its easy to change your ip and vote, simply put the only reason GT5 won is because thats exactly what happend cows got as many people to vote even if they didn't care and change ip's and such forza was leading quite a bit of the time the poll was up with a 1000 votes comming in within an hour yeah...Polls aren't fair and this isn't cheating.

You have proof of this? No you do not, if Polyphony cheated I would be doing the same thing only to them. It's not right and it is cheating no matter how you try to deny it. Tax cuts are a far cry from handing money to people to vote for them.
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[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Again, that's like saying GS cheated in the Webbys award by offering a rare emblem to anyone who voted. It's not cheating.

Cheating would be something like doubling the votes by hacking or something like that.

So calm down.

WilliamRLBaker

You know if Polyphony did this you would be up in arms. So yeah, this is cheating, CNet had to close the polls due to it being cheating. read the links before you make a claim please.

no id have the same view, but we know cows would be defending it just as hard as lemmings. Polls aren't fair online its easy to change your ip and vote, simply put the only reason GT5 won is because thats exactly what happend cows got as many people to vote even if they didn't care and change ip's and such forza was leading quite a bit of the time the poll was up with a 1000 votes comming in within an hour yeah...Polls aren't fair and this isn't cheating.

Who are you trying to fool?

Only cows would do that, not lemmings? My God dude, just stop.

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#21 VitunLehmat
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Ironically TC is spamming the same,why you made 2 threads.
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#22 Delsage
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Ironically TC is spamming the same,why you made 2 threads.VitunLehmat
Said so in the previous thread for a mod to delete that, there was an error sign as I posted, so I thought I had to post again. So thanks for your claims without reading that in the other thread.
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#23 Verge_6
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How dare they offer incentives to their fans on their own goddamn board? The indignity of it. Seriously, how can anyone think that that constitutes as cheating? I mean, really. :|
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#24 gago-gago
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I guess people will boycott Turn 10 now.

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[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]Turn 10 didn't hack the poll,so this thread fails,cheating is hacking the poll.Delsage
So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?

that pretty much happens. how do you think bush got 2 terms?
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#26 Delsage
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[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]Turn 10 didn't hack the poll,so this thread fails,cheating is hacking the poll.paullywog
So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?

that pretty much happens. how do you think bush got 2 terms?

I don't know, people voted for him? If Bush cheated in any way shape or form the media would of been all over that, cause we know those Republicans are evil and need to be boycotted.
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[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]Turn 10 didn't hack the poll,so this thread fails,cheating is hacking the poll.Delsage
So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?

...You're actually unaware of how frequent things like what you just described happen, aren't you?
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How dare they offer incentives to their fans on their own goddamn board? The indignity of it. Seriously, how can anyone think that that constitutes as cheating? I mean, really. :|Verge_6

Besides, the members at the Forza forums would have voted for Forza anyway, just like members at the GT forums would have voted for GT.

Turn 10 was just giving them some encouragement.

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#29 Delsage
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[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]Turn 10 didn't hack the poll,so this thread fails,cheating is hacking the poll.Verge_6
So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?

...You're actually unaware of how frequent things like what you just described happen, aren't you?

Enlighten me please with this proof you have.
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[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]Turn 10 didn't hack the poll,so this thread fails,cheating is hacking the poll.paullywog
So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?

that pretty much happens. how do you think bush got 2 terms?

Please. Save it for OT.
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[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Delsage"] So if a Presidential candidate bribes voters to vote for him with money or some sort of pricey item, than technically he should get away with it since it's not cheating?

...You're actually unaware of how frequent things like what you just described happen, aren't you?

Enlighten me please with this proof you have.

Gee, I dunno, maybe because the term "lobbying" is used on an hourly basis in regards to politics?
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]How dare they offer incentives to their fans on their own goddamn board? The indignity of it. Seriously, how can anyone think that that constitutes as cheating? I mean, really. :|SpinoRaptor24

Besides, the members at the Forza forums would have voted for Forza anyway, just like members at the GT forums would have voted for GT.

Turn 10 was just giving them some encouragement.

Not always true man.
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] ...You're actually unaware of how frequent things like what you just described happen, aren't you?

Enlighten me please with this proof you have.

Gee, I dunno, maybe because the term "lobbying" is used on an hourly basis in regards to politics?

If that is your proof I think you better give up your argument.
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#34 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Delsage"] Enlighten me please with this proof you have.

Gee, I dunno, maybe because the term "lobbying" is used on an hourly basis in regards to politics?

If that is your proof I think you better give up your argument.

 You are seriously asking for proof that things like bribing and lobbying are common? Do you watch/read any news? How about the, oh....1,000,000 or so results from googling "bribing" and "politics"? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bribing++politics&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
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[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] Gee, I dunno, maybe because the term "lobbying" is used on an hourly basis in regards to politics?Verge_6
If that is your proof I think you better give up your argument.

You are seriously asking for proof that things like bribing and lobbying are common? Do you watch/read any news?

Hey look I can do the immature facepalm to. In fact yes I do watch the news, and lobbying does not occur on an hourly basis. In fact when it does happen those people usually get into trouble whether it be sent to prison or kicked out of their current position. So tell me what is your argument based on again?

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] Gee, I dunno, maybe because the term "lobbying" is used on an hourly basis in regards to politics?

If that is your proof I think you better give up your argument.

 You are seriously asking for proof that things like bribing and lobbying are common? Do you watch/read any news? How about the, oh....1,000,000 or so results from googling "bribing" and "politics"? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bribing++politics&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Oh good job at finding that out, which can date back to nearly the 1500's. Guess we better start scrounging for recent incidents. To say that those people who do bribe get caught and don't get in trouble is just asinine. Why don't you look back to France where some got the Guillotine.
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In fact yes I do watch the news, and lobbying does not occur on an hourly basis.Delsage
Read again. He said the TERM is used on an hourly basis, because it is.
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[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Again, that's like saying GS cheated in the Webbys award by offering a rare emblem to anyone who voted. It's not cheating.

Cheating would be something like doubling the votes by hacking or something like that.

So calm down.

Delsage
You know if Polyphony did this you would be up in arms. So yeah, this is cheating, CNet had to close the polls due to it being cheating. read the links before you make a claim please.

They had to close the polls due to complaints, like the cows here are complaining. Regardless, you don't have to provide proof you voted, all you had to do was post, and it was a community incentive, nothing big, and the poll had no true meaning. Cows are making a big deal out of nothing, and acting like this actually means something. That's the story of System Wars though, making something into a huge deal, when it has no bearing on a single thing.
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. So tell me what is your argument based on again?Delsage
Firstly, notice the word "term"? Yeah, kinda important there. My argument is that; 1) Bribing and lobbying occur frequently 2) Only the ones who got caught get coverage 3) The aforementioned bribing in the political arena is absolutely incomparable to what Turn 10 did, as 'bribing' involves offering incentives to an outside party to vote/go with their agenda. Can you take a guess what the key component is that totally invalidates your "Turn 10 cheated" claim?
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[QUOTE="Delsage"]In fact yes I do watch the news, and lobbying does not occur on an hourly basis.Cherokee_Jack
Read again. He said the TERM is used on an hourly basis, because it is.

The term may be used often, but not lobbying itself. Though as my argument stands, for those who are caught lobbying there usually are consequences.
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#41 Verge_6
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. Why don't you look back to France where some got the Guillotine. Delsage
Dear Lord, you are entirely missing the point...again Also, I seriously would not recommend using Revolutionary France as a period to exemplify how bribing goes unpunished.
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[QUOTE="Delsage"]. So tell me what is your argument based on again?Verge_6
Firstly, notice the word "term"? Yeah, kinda important there. My argument is that; 1) Bribing and lobbying occur frequently 2) Only the ones who got caught get coverage 3) The aforementioned bribing in the political arena is absolutely incomparable to what Turn 10 did, as 'bribing' involves offering incentives to an outside party to vote/go with their agenda. Can you take a guess what the key component is that totally invalidates your "Turn 10 cheated" claim?

Whether it happens or not, how is that a good or honorable thing?

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ooooo k.. back on topic. cheaters never win, Turn 10..... cheaters never win;)

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#44 Verge_6
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Whether it happens or not, how is that a good or honorable thing?Chutebox
It isn't, and I think you will find it quite hard to find where I condoned such things. It's also entirely ludicrous to accuse Turn 10 of doing it considering the conditions.
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#45 Verge_6
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ooooo k.. back on topic. cheaters never win, Turn 10..... cheaters never win;)

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For the fourth or fifth time, how is offering your userbase an incentive to vote on your own board 'cheating'? I've yet to receive a response...
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#46 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="Delsage"]. So tell me what is your argument based on again?Verge_6
Firstly, notice the word "term"? Yeah, kinda important there. My argument is that; 1) Bribing and lobbying occur frequently 2) Only the ones who got caught get coverage 3) The aforementioned bribing in the political arena is absolutely incomparable to what Turn 10 did, as 'bribing' involves offering incentives to an outside party to vote/go with their agenda. Can you take a guess what the key component is that totally invalidates your "Turn 10 cheated" claim?

Arguments should be structured in this format.... If it is a deductive argument: P1 P2 C If it is an inductive argument, it is composed of three basic parts....claim, warrant, and conclusion. You have premises, but you don't have a conclusion...I don't even know what 3) is, but I know that it doesn't invalidate his claim in and of itself...
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#47 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="ultraking"]

ooooo k.. back on topic. cheaters never win, Turn 10..... cheaters never win;)

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For the fourth or fifth time, how is offering your userbase an incentive to vote on your own board 'cheating'? I've yet to receive a response...

It takes the honesty (if there was some) out of the polls and thus kills it.
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[QUOTE="ultraking"]

ooooo k.. back on topic. cheaters never win, Turn 10..... cheaters never win;)

Verge_6

For the fourth or fifth time, how is offering your userbase an incentive to vote on your own board 'cheating'? I've yet to receive a response...

It's not.

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#49 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="ultraking"]

ooooo k.. back on topic. cheaters never win, Turn 10..... cheaters never win;)

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For the fourth or fifth time, how is offering your userbase an incentive to vote on your own board 'cheating'? I've yet to receive a response...

I'll answer for him. It's cheating because they said explicitly in the forum post that the users should vote for "Forza Motorsport 3." It's not telling them to vote. It's telling them to vote for Forza Motorsport 3, and then you'll get a free unicorn. That's not fair. One side get's the incentive for voting a particular way and the other side doesn't. It's not based on your preference of Forza Motorsport 3, it's based on your preference of Forza Motorsport 3 and the free object.
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#50 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="ultraking"]

ooooo k.. back on topic. cheaters never win, Turn 10..... cheaters never win;)

Chutebox
For the fourth or fifth time, how is offering your userbase an incentive to vote on your own board 'cheating'? I've yet to receive a response...

It takes the honesty (if there was some) out of the polls and thus kills it.

How were their actions dishonest?