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#1 2-10-08
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On recently locked thread - You're only fooling yourself if you think graphics and mods alone make out the PC to be some kind of gaming heaven. The 360 has enough console exclusives to make it a very attractive option for anyone who doesn't want to shell out $600 on a gaming PC, i.e., the AVERAGE CONSUMER.

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#2 Chris_Williams
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please stop...

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You're right, it isn't just graphics and mods, its smoothness of those graphics too, better control schemes, steam, full control over most of your games, etc.
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Take the hint

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Good thing PC is more than just graphics and mods then, huh?
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Good thing PC is more than just graphics and mods then, huh?ferret-gamer
I wish it was. Then the purchase might be justified.
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You're right, it isn't just graphics and mods, its smoothness of those graphics too, better control schemes, steam, full control over most of your games, etc. 110million
Full Control over most of your games? elaborate.
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Good thing PC is more than just graphics and mods then, huh?2-10-08
I wish it was. Then the purchase might be justified.

Oh but it is. It's superior and better in just about everything.

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] [QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Good thing PC is more than just graphics and mods then, huh?ChubbyGuy40

I wish it was. Then the purchase might be justified.

Oh but it is. It's superior and better in just about everything.

If it were 2x better, that would be something. But at present, graphics are only 1.3 times better. And since graphics amount to very little in actual fun, The price is a huge deterrent.

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If it were 2x better, that would be something. But at present, graphics are only 1.3 times better. And since graphics amount to very little in actual fun, The price is a huge deterrent.

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Graphics only 1.3x better? Sorry, but consoles haven't even caught up to 2007. Graphics are 2x-3x ahead easily. Possibly 4x with Battlefield 3.

Graphics are a big amount of fun. Only people in denial claim that graphics have no impact.

$600 for a gaming PC is a huge deterrent? Maybe if you have no job, dependant off someone else, or just can't afford it. Not everyone is in that posititon :| You can't speak for everyone.

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Looks like you are insecure about your gaming platform being inferior because you need to make a thread just to justifiy why it is not.

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

If it were 2x better, that would be something. But at present, graphics are only 1.3 times better. And since graphics amount to very little in actual fun, The price is a huge deterrent.

ChubbyGuy40

Graphics only 1.3x better? Sorry, but consoles haven't even caught up to 2007. Graphics are 2x-3x ahead easily. Possibly 4x with Battlefield 3.

Graphics are a big amount of fun. Only people in denial claim that graphics have no impact.

$600 for a gaming PC is a huge deterrent? Maybe if you have no job, dependant off someone else, or just can't afford it. Not everyone is in that posititon :| You can't speak for everyone.

Oh man. Let me dissect this post piece by piece. 4x better? Are you kidding me? Have the polls at system wars gotten to you? Here's an example. Super Mario Sunshine is 2x better looking than Super Mario 64. Galaxy is about 1.2 better looking than Sunshine. 2x better than current console graphics would look like real life. Graphics are a factor of fun. Not a "big amount". the original Super Mario Bros. is still very fun compared to Super Mario Galaxy. Since super Mario Bros. graphics are extremely dated compared to Galaxy, there's obviously more to a game than graphics. And if you've read any professional review of any product, price is a "big amount" of a product's practicality. I don't speak for everyone by the way. Just the average consumer.
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You respond to your locked thread by opening a new one?

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Good thing PC is more than just graphics and mods then, huh?2-10-08
I wish it was. Then the purchase might be justified.

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined.

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Good thing PC is more than just graphics and mods then, huh?CaseyWegner

I wish it was. Then the purchase might be justified.

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined.

I would come back and say that a lot of those "high scoring exclusives" are equivalent of xbla/psn games, like machinarium.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] I wish it was. Then the purchase might be justified.2-10-08

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined.

I would come back and say that a lot of those "high scoring exclusives" are equivalent of xbla/psn games, like machinarium.

and i would say "so what?"

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined.

CaseyWegner

I would come back and say that a lot of those "high scoring exclusives" are equivalent of xbla/psn games, like machinarium.

and i would say "so what?"

Uh, your previous statement is negated. Something like that.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] I would come back and say that a lot of those "high scoring exclusives" are equivalent of xbla/psn games, like machinarium.2-10-08

and i would say "so what?"

Uh, your previous statement is negated. Something like that.

how? :|

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and i would say "so what?"

CaseyWegner

Uh, your previous statement is negated. Something like that.

how? :|

You didn't count PSN/XBLA titles like Shadow Complex.
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Oh man. Let me dissect this post piece by piece. 4x better? Are you kidding me? Have the polls at system wars gotten to you? Here's an example. Super Mario Sunshine is 2x better looking than Super Mario 64. Galaxy is about 1.2 better looking than Sunshine. 2x better than current console graphics would look like real life. Graphics are a factor of fun. Not a "big amount". the original Super Mario Bros. is still very fun compared to Super Mario Galaxy. Since super Mario Bros. graphics are extremely dated compared to Galaxy, there's obviously more to a game than graphics. And if you've read any professional review of any product, price is a "big amount" of a product's practicality. I don't speak for everyone by the way. Just the average consumer.2-10-08

No it wouldn't. 2x better would no way be close to real-life. We do not have the power to push real-life visuals in real-time and we won't for probably 20-30 years. That'll be for PC.

Sunshine would be about 2-3x better looking than SM64. SM64 is just plain ugly. Galaxy is also 2-3x better looking than Sunshine, as Sunshine is very outdated and the Wii, while still sort've weak, is VERY ahead of Sunshine in the visual department.

And who says you can speak for all of the average consumers? I don't remember nominating you as spokesman.

Call me when consoles can finally reach Crysis visuals.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] I would come back and say that a lot of those "high scoring exclusives" are equivalent of xbla/psn games, like machinarium.2-10-08

and i would say "so what?"

Uh, your previous statement is negated. Something like that.

Go look at the spreadsheet and remove all the games you think that are the equivalent to xbla/psn games,and then look at the results.

Hint: It doesn´t change anything,PC would still have the highest number of high scoring exclusives.

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[QUOTE="[deleted]"] [QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

If it were 2x better, that would be something. But at present, graphics are only 1.3 times better. And since graphics amount to very little in actual fun, The price is a huge deterrent.

2-10-08

Graphics only 1.3x better? Sorry, but consoles haven't even caught up to 2007. Graphics are 2x-3x ahead easily. Possibly 4x with Battlefield 3.

Graphics are a big amount of fun. Only people in denial claim that graphics have no impact.

$600 for a gaming PC is a huge deterrent? Maybe if you have no job, dependant off someone else, or just can't afford it. Not everyone is in that posititon :| You can't speak for everyone.

Oh man. Let me dissect this post piece by piece. 4x better? Are you kidding me? Have the polls at system wars gotten to you? Here's an example. Super Mario Sunshine is 2x better looking than Super Mario 64. Galaxy is about 1.2 better looking than Sunshine. 2x better than current console graphics would look like real life. Graphics are a factor of fun. Not a "big amount". the original Super Mario Bros. is still very fun compared to Super Mario Galaxy. Since super Mario Bros. graphics are extremely dated compared to Galaxy, there's obviously more to a game than graphics. And if you've read any professional review of any product, price is a "big amount" of a product's practicality. I don't speak for everyone by the way. Just the average consumer.

There is more to graphics than raw polygon count.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] Uh, your previous statement is negated. Something like that.2-10-08

how? :|

You didn't count PSN/XBLA titles like Shadow Complex.

PC = 199

360 + XBL = 71

PS3 + PSN = 74

Wii + Wiiware = 89

199 compared to 234. They haven't even reviewed/scored all the PC games.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] Uh, your previous statement is negated. Something like that.2-10-08

how? :|

You didn't count PSN/XBLA titles like Shadow Complex.

there are a lot of indie games for the pc that don't even get reviewed. even if you include all the arcade/psn games, it doesn't even blow the pc's rated game count away even though it's 3 vs. 1. what does this tell you?

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

how? :|

CaseyWegner

You didn't count PSN/XBLA titles like Shadow Complex.

there are a lot of indie games for the pc that don't even get reviewed. even if you include all the arcade/psn games, it doesn't even blow the pc's rated game count away even though it's 3 vs. 1. what does this tell you?

There are a hell of a lot of expansion packs that get reviewed as full games.
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

how? :|

CaseyWegner

You didn't count PSN/XBLA titles like Shadow Complex.

there are a lot of indie games for the pc that don't even get reviewed. even if you include all the arcade/psn games, it doesn't even blow the pc's rated game count away even though it's 3 vs. 1. what does this tell you?

Maybe there should be an appointed website/aggregate source to substitute in the event that gamespot doesn't review a game.

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There are a hell of a lot of expansion packs that get reviewed as full games.2-10-08

yeah it's sad how many console developers try passing off expansions as full games

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined.

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I would come back and say that a lot of those "high scoring exclusives" are equivalent of xbla/psn games, like machinarium.

So what? A game does not need a massive advertisement campaign to be good so just because they might be indie games you choose to ignore them of the AAA status which still you might not agree AFTER you play the game then you will have a valid reason but to automatically make that assumption before is ignorance.

I played and beat Machinarium. Played and beat Shadow Complex. Both good games. Either both or neither should be counted.

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The 360 is a joke next to a PC, theres no competition, it isn't close, it isn't even the same sport. PC gaming is everything PC, the 360 gets a handfull of "PC features" and is missing the other trillion.
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#32 Chris_Williams
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notice how all the pc gamers in here are arguing with the same guy, because everyone else doesn't care and i'm suprise you guys are debating with him. This topic has been done to death, TC, if you prefer console gaming cool, i do too, but pc gaming is pretty great also and guess what, thats the beauty of the world we live in, FREEDOM OF CHOICE, stop trying to put your beliefs on other people, your not looking to hot right now also. have a good night everybody

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] You didn't count PSN/XBLA titles like Shadow Complex.2-10-08

there are a lot of indie games for the pc that don't even get reviewed. even if you include all the arcade/psn games, it doesn't even blow the pc's rated game count away even though it's 3 vs. 1. what does this tell you?

There are a hell of a lot of expansion packs that get reviewed as full games.

and a hell of a lot of expansions that have as much or more content than "full" console games. stop making excuses.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] You didn't count PSN/XBLA titles like Shadow Complex.2-10-08

there are a lot of indie games for the pc that don't even get reviewed. even if you include all the arcade/psn games, it doesn't even blow the pc's rated game count away even though it's 3 vs. 1. what does this tell you?

There are a hell of a lot of expansion packs that get reviewed as full games.

The PC list has less than 20% of expansions in the spreadsheet,even with all those cuts it still doesn´t help you argument.

And notice that "expansions" such as Halo ODST are counted on the console side.

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

notice how all the pc gamers in here are arguing with the same guy, because everyone else doesn't care and i'm suprise you guys are debating with him. This topic has been done to death, TC, if you prefer console gaming cool, i do too, but pc gaming is pretty great also and guess what, thats the beauty of the world we live in, FREEDOM OF CHOICE, stop trying to put your beliefs on other people, your not looking to hot right now also. have a good night everybody

2-10-08

Or everyone who's not posting is thinking "OH HE(2=10-08) IS SO RIGHT COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT EVEN BETTER BUT LOL DONT WANNA GET BANNED BY CLICK HAPPY GS MODS IF I JUST POST "I AGREE WITH TC" SO BETTER STAY OUT OF THIS ONE LOLOL.

Go ahead and add a poll then.

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#38 lostrib
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On recently locked thread - You're only fooling yourself if you think graphics and mods alone make out the PC to be some kind of gaming heaven. The 360 has enough console exclusives to make it a very attractive option for anyone who doesn't want to shell out $600 on a gaming PC, i.e., the AVERAGE CONSUMER.

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I'm afraid you may soon get locked

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

there are a lot of indie games for the pc that don't even get reviewed. even if you include all the arcade/psn games, it doesn't even blow the pc's rated game count away even though it's 3 vs. 1. what does this tell you?

CaseyWegner

There are a hell of a lot of expansion packs that get reviewed as full games.

and a hell of a lot of expansions that have as much or more content than "full" console games. stop making excuses.

If you say so. There is no place for truth in system wars I guess.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] There are a hell of a lot of expansion packs that get reviewed as full games.2-10-08

and a hell of a lot of expansions that have as much or more content than "full" console games. stop making excuses.

If you say so. There is no place for truth in system wars I guess.

we aren't talking about $15 map packs. many expansions are stand alone games and are as big as some full games. have you not researched the games you are throwing out?

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] There are a hell of a lot of expansion packs that get reviewed as full games.2-10-08

and a hell of a lot of expansions that have as much or more content than "full" console games. stop making excuses.

If you say so. There is no place for truth in system wars I guess.

No,the only thing that has no place on SW are the fallacies you´re trying to convey.

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and a hell of a lot of expansions that have as much or more content than "full" console games. stop making excuses.

Arach666

If you say so. There is no place for truth in system wars I guess.

No,the only thing that has no place on SW are the fallacies you´re trying to convey.

I was only trying to say that the 360 was a better option for smart consumers. PC can have it's graphics, expansions and mods. I ask myself why people think this when I play gems like Skate and Enslaved, Halo 3 and Vanquish and there are people who think they're getting 2x the experience for 6x the price.
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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] If you say so. There is no place for truth in system wars I guess.2-10-08

No,the only thing that has no place on SW are the fallacies you´re trying to convey.

I was only trying to say that the 360 was a better option for smart consumers. PC can have it's graphics, expansions and mods. I ask myself why people think this when I play gems like Skate and Enslaved, Halo 3 and Vanquish and there are people who think they're getting 2x the experience for 6x the price.

6x the price?

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Why would just graphics and mods be enough? I'm thinking the plethora of exclusives would do that.

:lol: I'm presuming another of 2-10-08's anti-PC threads got locked, forcing him.her to start another. Never seen that before TC.

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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] If you say so. There is no place for truth in system wars I guess.2-10-08

No,the only thing that has no place on SW are the fallacies you´re trying to convey.

I was only trying to say that the 360 was a better option for smart consumers. PC can have it's graphics, expansions and mods. I ask myself why people think this when I play gems like Skate and Enslaved, Halo 3 and Vanquish and there are people who think they're getting 2x the experience for 6x the price.

even a cheap pc would give you access to more high scoring exclusives than what the 360 can offer.

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The 360 has enough console exclusives

2-10-08

360 exclusives this gen : 26

pc exclusives this gen : 105

sup.

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I'm confused, why does the TC think its just graphics, expansions, and mods that make Pc platform something many would enjoy? There is soo much more and with so many anti threads lately and members stating what they like on pc gaming, not understanding why the TC would have such a narrow viewpoint.
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#48 millerlight89
Member since 2007 • 18658 Posts
I was only trying to say that the 360 was a better option for smart consumers. 2-10-08
So am I stupid for having a PC instead of a 360 :? I mean, that is what you are stating.
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#49 malebog123
Member since 2010 • 243 Posts

sigh, another poster feeling jelly and buyer's remorse