Unreal Tournament Out For The Playstation 3!!

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#1 Damrightfresh
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who is buying it?? I am :D
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#2 BovinesOnPaska
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no thanks, im playing the superior version on PC.
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#3 therealmcc0y
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I personally dont like it.

I dont like the look of the guns and thefast pace of the game... I dont even like the graphics.

Is there something wrong with me?

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#4 ReverseCycology
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If I had a dope PC I would buy it for that but I don't so I'll just rent it for the PS3 and buy it when it comes out for the 360.

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#5 Blue-Sky
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Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:
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#6 -Serpahim-
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If i was in the US i would buy it...alas i will have to wait till Feb :cry:
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Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:Blue-Sky

way to go offtopic.... A simple question and the first line of response is cow bashing :(

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#8 BovinesOnPaska
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If i was in the US i would buy it...alas i will have to wait till Feb :cry:-Serpahim-


And where u live?
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I dont really live anywhere...i move around too much. Go to Uni in Australia, my Parents are in Mozambique, my brother is in US..so i live where ever when its not uni time :P
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Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:Blue-Sky

That's what I want to know, too.

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#11 club-sandwich
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:BioShockOwnz

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.
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#12 Taz-Bone
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I personally dont like it.

I dont like the look of the guns and thefast pace of the game... I dont even like the graphics.

Is there something wrong with me?

therealmcc0y
Nope, I don't like the artstyle, technically it looks great.
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#13 SOedipus
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:-Serpahim-

way to go offtopic.... A simple question and the first line of response is cow bashing :(

It just wouldn't be the same in system wars without it.

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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:BioShockOwnz

That's what I want to know, too.

I agree

I love all the "ps3 has mods" stuff from cows when they say everything is best on PC for any 360/PC game so why are they not buying it for PC then?

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#15 -Serpahim-
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:club-sandwich

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.

The TC asked who is getting UT3, and you wanna know why cows arent getting it for their PC? Talk about completely irrelavent and illogical. Your question assumes that everyone in the world is a fanboy thus only cows buy PS3s and your posts dont even address the thread. You could have easily made a thread asking cows why they are buying the PS3 version instead of asking/posting irrelavent posts in a thread that merely asks "are you getting game X." All you have to say is "I am" or "I'm not" :?

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#16 nicenator
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Game already out + review not up yet= review not too favourable

I actually would get this on the PC, but my power supply blew up and one of my ram sticks is fried, so i have to wait for them to be replaced.

Stupid novatech...

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#17 SOedipus
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[QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:-Serpahim-

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.

The TC asked who is getting UT3, and you wanna know why cows arent getting it for their PC? Talk about completely irrelavent and illogical. Your question assumes that everyone in the world is a fanboy thus only cows buy PS3s and your posts dont even address the thread. You could have easily made a thread asking cows why they are buying the PS3 version instead of asking/posting irrelavent posts in a thread that merely asks "are you getting game X." All you have to say is "I am" or "I'm not" :?

Everyone who has a PS3 also has an awesome gaming PC, remember? I honestly don't know where that came from but that seems to be the concensus among some people here.

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#18 BambooBanger
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Yes, I'm going to buy the inferior PS3 version, even though I have a monster gaming PC that I use to play BioShock, Gears of War, and in a few months, Mass Effect and Halo 3 :)

/COW

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#19 mmirza23
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no already got it for PC, it's good but nothing special, I personally like COD and HL2 orange box alot more.
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#20 -Serpahim-
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[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:SOedipus

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.

The TC asked who is getting UT3, and you wanna know why cows arent getting it for their PC? Talk about completely irrelavent and illogical. Your question assumes that everyone in the world is a fanboy thus only cows buy PS3s and your posts dont even address the thread. You could have easily made a thread asking cows why they are buying the PS3 version instead of asking/posting irrelavent posts in a thread that merely asks "are you getting game X." All you have to say is "I am" or "I'm not" :?

Everyone who has a PS3 also has an awesome gaming PC, remember? I honestly don't know where that came from but that seems to be the concensus among some people here.

yeah...i guess so. I guess people also assume that games such as Bioshock can only be played in MAX settings mode. They obviously dont realize that Bioshock on medium - low settings does not need a beastly Crysis ready computer :?

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#21 comstrikeiscool
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I've had it on pc and is a million times better...
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#22 Danthegamingman
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[QUOTE="SOedipus"][QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:-Serpahim-

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.

The TC asked who is getting UT3, and you wanna know why cows arent getting it for their PC? Talk about completely irrelavent and illogical. Your question assumes that everyone in the world is a fanboy thus only cows buy PS3s and your posts dont even address the thread. You could have easily made a thread asking cows why they are buying the PS3 version instead of asking/posting irrelavent posts in a thread that merely asks "are you getting game X." All you have to say is "I am" or "I'm not" :?

Everyone who has a PS3 also has an awesome gaming PC, remember? I honestly don't know where that came from but that seems to be the concensus among some people here.

yeah...i guess so. I guess people also assume that games such as Bioshock can only be played in MAX settings mode. They obviously dont realize that Bioshock on medium - low settings does not need a beastly Crysis ready computer :?

I will tell you why its being asked. It is because PS3 fanboys constantly discount awesome 360 games when it can be found on PC. I never understood how it helps PS3 fanboys because a 360 game is on PC unless they have a gaming PC. I for one have been down that road and I refuse to build a gaming PC to play games like UT3, Crysis, STALKER, etc and waste my money. I will just wait and play them on 360 when they come out.
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#23 JiveT
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We have come a long way from cows proclaiming this the Gears killer and a system seller haven't we? :lol:

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#24 mmirza23
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We have come a long way from cows proclaiming this the Gears killer and a system seller haven't we? :lol:

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cows must really be dumb to think a game made by the same company running the same exact engine would be the killer of its predecessor...with that said UT3 does look better than gears but it should, its been a year since gears and Epic had time to retool and optimize the engine.
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#25 BambooBanger
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The fact that the reviews aren't out yet doesn't bode well for the PS3 version...
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#26 SOedipus
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I will tell you why its being asked. It is because PS3 fanboys constantly discount awesome 360 games when it can be found on PC. I never understood how it helps PS3 fanboys because a 360 game is on PC unless they have a gaming PC. I for one have been down that road and I refuse to build a gaming PC to play games like UT3, Crysis, STALKER, etc and waste my money. I will just wait and play them on 360 when they come out.

Danthegamingman

Will it doesn't help any fanboys but it seems to hurt xbots more, so in a way it helps Sony fanboys, but in a sad way.

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#27 -Serpahim-
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[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="SOedipus"][QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:Danthegamingman

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.

The TC asked who is getting UT3, and you wanna know why cows arent getting it for their PC? Talk about completely irrelavent and illogical. Your question assumes that everyone in the world is a fanboy thus only cows buy PS3s and your posts dont even address the thread. You could have easily made a thread asking cows why they are buying the PS3 version instead of asking/posting irrelavent posts in a thread that merely asks "are you getting game X." All you have to say is "I am" or "I'm not" :?

Everyone who has a PS3 also has an awesome gaming PC, remember? I honestly don't know where that came from but that seems to be the concensus among some people here.

yeah...i guess so. I guess people also assume that games such as Bioshock can only be played in MAX settings mode. They obviously dont realize that Bioshock on medium - low settings does not need a beastly Crysis ready computer :?

I will tell you why its being asked. It is because PS3 fanboys constantly discount awesome 360 games when it can be found on PC. I never understood how it helps PS3 fanboys because a 360 game is on PC unless they have a gaming PC. I for one have been down that road and I refuse to build a gaming PC to play games like UT3, Crysis, STALKER, etc and waste my money. I will just wait and play them on 360 when they come out.

The same can be said about the X360 fanboys who bring used to bring up topics (before HD-DVD was crushed by Blu-Ray) about HD-DVD outselling BR or about Paramount HD-DVD exclusivity. How does that help the X360? Easy, the PS3 has a Blu-Ray player, and if HD-DVD wins, that means the people who would buy a PS3 for the movie playing capabilites too, would no longer do so. So it helps Microsoft by hurting the competition. So how does a game being on PC help PS3? Lets say Mr.X, a hardcore PC gamer, heard about Gears of War and really wants to play it. Infact he is considering buying an X360 for GeoW. But oh wait! Its been announced for PC too! Mr.X would rather just get GeoW for $30-$50 on PC than spend $300ish dollars on an X360, $60 on the game and %50 for XBl to enjoy it online. So Sony and Nintendo Benefit from this because its one more customer not buying an Xbox 360.

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#28 Javy03
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[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="SOedipus"][QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:Danthegamingman

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.

The TC asked who is getting UT3, and you wanna know why cows arent getting it for their PC? Talk about completely irrelavent and illogical. Your question assumes that everyone in the world is a fanboy thus only cows buy PS3s and your posts dont even address the thread. You could have easily made a thread asking cows why they are buying the PS3 version instead of asking/posting irrelavent posts in a thread that merely asks "are you getting game X." All you have to say is "I am" or "I'm not" :?

Everyone who has a PS3 also has an awesome gaming PC, remember? I honestly don't know where that came from but that seems to be the concensus among some people here.

yeah...i guess so. I guess people also assume that games such as Bioshock can only be played in MAX settings mode. They obviously dont realize that Bioshock on medium - low settings does not need a beastly Crysis ready computer :?

I will tell you why its being asked. It is because PS3 fanboys constantly discount awesome 360 games when it can be found on PC. I never understood how it helps PS3 fanboys because a 360 game is on PC unless they have a gaming PC. I for one have been down that road and I refuse to build a gaming PC to play games like UT3, Crysis, STALKER, etc and waste my money. I will just wait and play them on 360 when they come out.

They dont discount awsome 360 games, they just bring up the PC when MS fans try to rub in the fact that its not on the PS3. Some MS fans forget that it can be played on another machine other then a 360. And again you are assuming all people here who post in this thread are "cows" who claimed they had a monster PC. Maybe they do but prefer to take advantage of their PS3 and big screen TV.

Either way all this damage control is unnecessary seeing as this is not a thread trying to bash the 360 for not having the game at the time but mearly a thread asking who is gonna buy this game. No need for bashing, save it fora Sony fanboy thread.

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Not coming in for me until Tomorrow :(. games gonna be great. Probaly the first Must play Online game on PS3. Mods FTW.
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no thanks, im playing the superior version on PC.BovinesOnPaska
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:-Serpahim-

way to go offtopic.... A simple question and the first line of response is cow bashing :(

When the tables was turned the cows did the same thing, saying it is better on the PC. It just a non-ending cycle of bashing. Cows/Lems say that they will be playing the game that is only on the rival system and PC on their 'gaming PCs', then when a good game comes out for their system and the PC their gaming PC broke or something,

If I do get UT3 (UT2007, why is it called 3, it no the 3rd game, it is the 4th IIRC), I'll get it on the PC, my PC handeled the demo pretty well. But it seems to lost interest in the UT games.

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#32 EmperorSupreme
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Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:Blue-Sky

I'll tell you why. Office chair vs comfy couch. 19" LCD vs 70" HDTV. That's why for me. Also I want to support Sony for being the first to allow MODS on consoles. That's a huge deal and I hope it's a trend we see continue.

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#33 ragrdoll21
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The fact that the reviews aren't out yet doesn't bode well for the PS3 version...BambooBanger
Officially out tomorrow.
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#34 ragek1ll589
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I should be getting it on Friday, when I get paid.
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#35 Haee
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no thanks, im playing the superior version on PC.BovinesOnPaska

In defense to that, chances are more people are going to play online for the PS3.

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#36 BambooBanger
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:EmperorSupreme

I'll tell you why. Office chair vs comfy couch. 19" LCD vs 70" HDTV. That's why for me. Also I want to support Sony for being the first to allow MODS on consoles. That's a huge deal and I hope it's a trend we see continue.

Oh so all the Cows fabled gaming PC's are just collecting dust then ? Perhaps they'll boot them up when BioShock 2 is released for the 360 and PC again.

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#37 -Serpahim-
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[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:Chaos_HL21

way to go offtopic.... A simple question and the first line of response is cow bashing :(

When the tables was turned the cows did the same thing, saying it is better on the PC. It just a non-ending cycle of bashing. Cows/Lems say that they will be playing the game that is only on the rival system and PC on their 'gaming PCs', then when a good game comes out for their system and the PC their gaming PC broke or something,

If I do get UT3 (UT2007, why is it called 3, it no the 3rd game, it is the 4th IIRC), I'll get it on the PC, my PC handeled the demo pretty well. But it seems to lost interest in the UT games.

I agree, but that doesnt make it right....:?

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#38 EmperorSupreme
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:BambooBanger

I'll tell you why. Office chair vs comfy couch. 19" LCD vs 70" HDTV. That's why for me. Also I want to support Sony for being the first to allow MODS on consoles. That's a huge deal and I hope it's a trend we see continue.

Oh so all the Cows fabled gaming PC's are just collecting dust then ? Perhaps they'll boot them up when BioShock 2 is released for the 360 and PC again.

I use my PS3. My PC second. My PC is usely used for RTS games and for the few games like Bioshock that aren't on PS3. I can't speak for everyone though that's just my personal preference. Yes I'm getting Unreal for PS3. :)

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#39 maabus99
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:club-sandwich

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.

Tertiary agreement.

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no thanks, im playing the superior version on PC.BovinesOnPaska

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#41 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:kcpp2b

That's what I want to know, too.

I agree

I love all the "ps3 has mods" stuff from cows when they say everything is best on PC for any 360/PC game so why are they not buying it for PC then?

I would just like to point out that them saying "Best on PS3 because nobody is on the PC and the PS3 version has mods, but the 360 doesn't" is now moot because who is going to make the mods if nobody bought it for the PC? :(

The mods were ALWAYS dependent upon the PC version doing well... Since hardly anyone is playing it... Mods will be a long time coming... Just wanted to point this out....

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#42 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="BovinesOnPaska"]no thanks, im playing the superior version on PC.RotaryRX7

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what does that have to do with anything? For all you know the PS3 version could get a 1.0

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#43 Haee
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[QUOTE="BovinesOnPaska"]no thanks, im playing the superior version on PC.ragrdoll21
Yeah with 5 other people! lol I saw the servers on one up! lol

Your exaggerating..but not by much.

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#44 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:EmperorSupreme

I'll tell you why. Office chair vs comfy couch. 19" LCD vs 70" HDTV. That's why for me. Also I want to support Sony for being the first to allow MODS on consoles. That's a huge deal and I hope it's a trend we see continue.

You do know that you can easily hook up your PC to your 70" HDTV and play it from your couch right?

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#45 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="BovinesOnPaska"]no thanks, im playing the superior version on PC.Haee

Yeah with 5 other people! lol I saw the servers on one up! lol

Your exaggerating..but not by much.

yeah... Thing is, that makes the PS3's advantage over the 360 MUCH, MUCH smaller... If nobody is on the PC version, who is going to make mods? Cows seem to forget, their ENTIRE advantage was dependent upon the PC version succeeding and mods going straight into development... Now, that point is completely moot...

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#46 karasill
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I have it for PC. It's good but nothing great. It's like any other Unreal game, just with much better graphics.
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#47 Koalakommander
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:BioShockOwnz

That's what I want to know, too.

If your narrow-minded enough to assume every cow is the same, and that their individual statements count for eachother's, than yes I can see where you are coming from.

Yea cows! Why all of a sudden is it ok to buy PC multiplats on consoles!? I thought you all had super computers?

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#48 rolo107
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:club-sandwich

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.

I third it, or fourth it or whatever it is at now.

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#49 club-sandwich
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[QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]Cows biggest complaint against the 360 is that all their games are on PC. So why are they getting excited for UT3 for PS3? Shouldn't they be buying it for their gaming PCs instead? :roll:-Serpahim-

That's what I want to know, too.

I second that.

The TC asked who is getting UT3, and you wanna know why cows arent getting it for their PC? Talk about completely irrelavent and illogical. Your question assumes that everyone in the world is a fanboy thus only cows buy PS3s and your posts dont even address the thread. You could have easily made a thread asking cows why they are buying the PS3 version instead of asking/posting irrelavent posts in a thread that merely asks "are you getting game X." All you have to say is "I am" or "I'm not" :?

all cows have super ultra mega awesome PC's where they play all the 360 games that are shared with PC's, so that's why I'm asking why not get the superior PC version.
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#50 lowe0
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You do know that you can easily hook up your PC to your 70" HDTV and play it from your couch right?The_Game21x
Did you just describe playing a mouse-and-keyboard shooter from a couch as "easy"? Jesus, what do you think is hard?