Until Metal Gear Solid 4 reaches the level of absurd hype that Halo 3 recieved..

IT IS NOT A SYSTEM SELLER.

None of the Metal Gear Solid games have ever been system sellers. Metal Gear Solid sold around 6 million; this is very good for a game, but this doesn't exactly create the image that everybody that owned a PS1 bought Metal Gear Solid! Metal Gear Solid 2 was hyped when it was first unveiled at E3 for its superb graphics and amazing gameplay, but does 7 million copies sold compared to Halo 2's 8 million (This game was released in 2004; MGS2 was released in 2001), or Halo 3's 8.1 million (ALREADY!) sound like "SUPER MASSIVE OMEGA SELLER" to you?

Metal Gear fans, if you want to call Metal Gear Solid 4 a definite system seller, I demand that you look at the absurd overhype that everybody gave Halo 3. There is no sports drink made after Metal Gear Solid. There aren't people buying Playstation 3's just for MGS4. (Even if all the PS3 users bought one for MGS4 alone, MGS4 would still sell less than what MGS2 did!)

Seriously, people, a real system seller is Halo 3. Metal Gear Solid 4 is not a system seller. It may have been one to you, Solid Snake-fans, but to the rest of the world, people still don't know what the @$%# Metal Gear Solid is.

And please don't call me a Lemming (I don't even own a 360!). If you seriously think I'm a fanboy just for using fair rationale and comparison, you're obviously resorting to damage control. And don't even try to call me an MGS-hater! Click on my profile and look at the score I gave MGS2: A perfect 10.

Let's see you try to fit this one in your sigs.

Please be serious. Halo 3 has not set any bar for any other games to be considered a system seller.

And I'm not reading anything after your first sentence. You just lost your credibility there.

it's a system seller for me. :?CaseyWegner

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

Please be serious. Halo 3 has not set any bar for any other games to be considered a system seller.

And I'm not reading anything after your first sentence. You just lost your credibility there.

Cedmln

:lol: Oh, yes it has. Have you ever heard of a game selling 11 million copies in less than 5 months?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?princeofshapeir

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

it doesn't need to match halo's level to be considered a system seller. how do you know there won't be a lot of people buying a ps3 for that game?

From my perspective , just because Halo 3 is one of the mega system sellers doesn't mean that every game has to have that same level of mass market penetration in a short period of time to be considered a system seller.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

Please be serious. Halo 3 has not set any bar for any other games to be considered a system seller.

And I'm not reading anything after your first sentence. You just lost your credibility there.

princeofshapeir

:lol: Oh, yes it has. Have you ever heard of a game selling 11 million copies in less than 5 months?

Shipped! It shipped almost as much, I think around 8 million, but sold 4 or so million. Considering the userbase on the 360, that's not hard to fathom, but Gears of War sold just as good within that span of time, for a new IP. MGS2 sold pretty damn well for the userbase that was around during the PS2's early days, that damn good.

From my perspective , just because Halo 3 is one of the mega system sellers doesn't mean that every game has to have that same level of mass market penetration in a short period of time to be considered a system seller.

Nike_Air

I second that. I was going to say that but you beat me to the punch.

I played Starsiege Tribes v1 for 3.5 yrs. Then I play Counterstrike 1.6 for 3yrs, then I played Halo1 and Halo2 and found them to be dissappointing. Halo does not set any bar in FPS. If you want a great FPS experience, look to the PC.

Maybe you are right, Halo series is a system seller cause people don't know any better. Is MG series a system seller? I don't know. I never buy a new PC or console just for 1 game. I require a minimum of 3 in order to pick it up.

Ps3 got 3 games I want and that is MGS4, LBP, and Resistance2. Warhawk too. 360 also got 3 games I want but that RROD possibility is just not worth the risk cause I plan on owning it for more than 3 yrs. Heck, my 2 xbox1 are still working after all this time.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?CaseyWegner

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

it doesn't need to match halo's level to be considered a system seller. how do you know there won't be a lot of people buying a ps3 for that game?

Will people seriously spend that much money for a game they will beat once and toss away? It seems like a very foolish investment. To be honest, only people with deep, deep pockets would do such a thing.

I played Starsiege Tribes v1 for 3.5 yrs. Then I play Counterstrike 1.6 for 3yrs, then I played Halo1 and Halo2 and found them to be dissappointing. Halo does not set an bar in FPS. If you want a great FPS experience, look to the PC.

Maybe you are right, Halo series is a system seller cause people don't know any better. Is MG series a system seller? I don't know. I never buy a new PC or console just for 1 game. I require a minimum of 3 in order to pick it up.

Ps3 got 3 games I want and that is MGS4, LBP, and Resistance2. 360 also got 3 games I want but that RROD possibility is just not worth the risk cause I plan on owning it for more than 3 yrs. Heck, my 2 xbox1 are still working after all this time.

gamenux

Are you trying to accuse me of calling Halo a bar-setter for the FPS genre? I'd rather lick chili powder off the back of a porcupine than do that.

I am, however, stating that Halo sets a far more important bar; the bar for what a system seller really is. Re-read my post again.

[QUOTE="gamenux"]

I played Starsiege Tribes v1 for 3.5 yrs. Then I play Counterstrike 1.6 for 3yrs, then I played Halo1 and Halo2 and found them to be dissappointing. Halo does not set an bar in FPS. If you want a great FPS experience, look to the PC.

Maybe you are right, Halo series is a system seller cause people don't know any better. Is MG series a system seller? I don't know. I never buy a new PC or console just for 1 game. I require a minimum of 3 in order to pick it up.

Ps3 got 3 games I want and that is MGS4, LBP, and Resistance2. 360 also got 3 games I want but that RROD possibility is just not worth the risk cause I plan on owning it for more than 3 yrs. Heck, my 2 xbox1 are still working after all this time.

princeofshapeir

Are you trying to accuse me of calling Halo a bar-setter for the FPS genre? I'd rather lick chili powder off the back of a porcupine than do that.

I am, however, stating that Halo sets a far more important bar; the bar for what a system seller really is. Re-read my post again.

Maybe you should read past my 1st paragraph. What you lack is patience.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?princeofshapeir

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

O stop it. MGS is a huge series with a huge following. MGS2 sold more than the PS2 Final Fantasys. MGS is the definition of a system seller so just stop trying please.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="gamenux"]

I played Starsiege Tribes v1 for 3.5 yrs. Then I play Counterstrike 1.6 for 3yrs, then I played Halo1 and Halo2 and found them to be dissappointing. Halo does not set an bar in FPS. If you want a great FPS experience, look to the PC.

Maybe you are right, Halo series is a system seller cause people don't know any better. Is MG series a system seller? I don't know. I never buy a new PC or console just for 1 game. I require a minimum of 3 in order to pick it up.

Ps3 got 3 games I want and that is MGS4, LBP, and Resistance2. 360 also got 3 games I want but that RROD possibility is just not worth the risk cause I plan on owning it for more than 3 yrs. Heck, my 2 xbox1 are still working after all this time.

gamenux

Are you trying to accuse me of calling Halo a bar-setter for the FPS genre? I'd rather lick chili powder off the back of a porcupine than do that.

I am, however, stating that Halo sets a far more important bar; the bar for what a system seller really is. Re-read my post again.

Maybe you should read past my 1st paragraph. What you lack is patience.

I did, and you're still apparently accusing me of calling Halo a bar setter for FPS games. :|

I'm wondering if MGS4 isn't a system seller, what PS3 exclusive game would be?

Buy yep, Sony better advertise MGS4 as one of the biggest games in history or else.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?locopatho

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

O stop it. MGS is a huge series with a huge following. MGS2 sold more than the PS2 Final Fantasys. MGS is the definition of a system seller so just stop trying please.

I already got the idea that Halo was the definiton of a system seller. If Metal Gear Solid 2 was such a system seller, then why is it that people don't call it the game you have to own if you have a PS2?

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?princeofshapeir

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

O stop it. MGS is a huge series with a huge following. MGS2 sold more than the PS2 Final Fantasys. MGS is the definition of a system seller so just stop trying please.

I already got the idea that Halo was the definiton of a system seller. If Metal Gear Solid 2 was such a system seller, then why is it that people don't call it the game you have to own if you have a PS2?

That was a long time ago, and the PS2 has (had, has?) lots of system sellers. Take your pick.

[QUOTE="gamenux"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="gamenux"]

I played Starsiege Tribes v1 for 3.5 yrs. Then I play Counterstrike 1.6 for 3yrs, then I played Halo1 and Halo2 and found them to be dissappointing. Halo does not set an bar in FPS. If you want a great FPS experience, look to the PC.

Maybe you are right, Halo series is a system seller cause people don't know any better. Is MG series a system seller? I don't know. I never buy a new PC or console just for 1 game. I require a minimum of 3 in order to pick it up.

Ps3 got 3 games I want and that is MGS4, LBP, and Resistance2. 360 also got 3 games I want but that RROD possibility is just not worth the risk cause I plan on owning it for more than 3 yrs. Heck, my 2 xbox1 are still working after all this time.

princeofshapeir

Are you trying to accuse me of calling Halo a bar-setter for the FPS genre? I'd rather lick chili powder off the back of a porcupine than do that.

I am, however, stating that Halo sets a far more important bar; the bar for what a system seller really is. Re-read my post again.

Maybe you should read past my 1st paragraph. What you lack is patience.

I did, and you're still apparently accusing me of calling Halo a bar setter for FPS games. :|

What is the use. You lack reading skills anyway. It is like talking to a brick.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?princeofshapeir

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

O stop it. MGS is a huge series with a huge following. MGS2 sold more than the PS2 Final Fantasys. MGS is the definition of a system seller so just stop trying please.

I already got the idea that Halo was the definiton of a system seller. If Metal Gear Solid 2 was such a system seller, then why is it that people don't call it the game you have to own if you have a PS2?

Because unlike the original Xbox, the PS2 had too many great games to define the system, whereas on the 'box most people only said Halo this, Halo that, without mentioning NG, Fable, and KOTOR.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?princeofshapeir

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

O stop it. MGS is a huge series with a huge following. MGS2 sold more than the PS2 Final Fantasys. MGS is the definition of a system seller so just stop trying please.

I already got the idea that Halo was the definiton of a system seller. If Metal Gear Solid 2 was such a system seller, then why is it that people don't call it the game you have to own if you have a PS2?

Maybe because there were so many other great games?

Just because Microsoft/Bungie whored out the Halo 3 name to every business under the sun, doesn't mean that made all that much of an impact on its sales. You act as if there were grandmothers clammoring to get their hands on Halo 3. The fact is, MGS4 WILL sell systems. Think of all the PS2 owners out there, waiting to buy a next-gen system. MGS4 could very well be that final straw to make a lot of them break down and get a PS3.

By the way, your credibility went right out the window the moment you started trying to compare MGS4 to any of it's predecessors. It's just like people trying to compare KZ2's quality to the original KZ. It's a pathetic attempt to quell the hype. Halo 3 is a great game, but by no means an industry standard. In fact, I'd be willing to bet there are just as many MGS fans as there are Halo fans. if not more. Its just the Halo fans (I would assume) are on average, the younger crowd, thus, being more vocal about their opinions.

Over the years, MGS has aquired quite the cult following. And lets not forget, Sony will probably have a pretty solid (pun intended) advertising campaign for MGS4.

I think it's safe to say MGS4 will sell more than a few PS3's, whether you want it to or not.
0rin

Metal Gear Solid 4 won't be a game to make PS2 owners buy a PS3. Do you actually think that the average PS2-owner really cares for Metal Gear Solid? Many people that have been owning a PS2 for a long time will think that MGS4 looks idiotic and boring. I'm pretty sure that all people that have been holding off of a current-gen system would have bought a Wii or PS3.

And why can't I compare MGS4 to the other MGS games? Is this some huge contradiction on my part when Metal Gear Solid 4 is taking the same exact route that MGS2 took? Any idiot can draw the huge connections between the two. Also, luring the younger demographic into Halo is a far more important task than luring old fogies that actually know what Metal Gear is.

Metal Gear Solid may have acquired a cult following, but this is a small cult following compared to the bloated Halo crowd. Case in point; I sure as hell don't see a lot of people walking around my school or in public wearing a Master Chief T-Shirt.

I think it isn't safe to say that MGS4 will sell more PS3's. And, believe it or not, I actually do want it to become a system seller. However, it obviously isn't becoming a ground-breaking over-hype that will turn the tides of this system war between Microsoft and Sony. Please don't think I don't want Metal Gear Solid 4 to be a hit. Criticizing a game doesn't automatically make one a hater of it.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?princeofshapeir

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

O stop it. MGS is a huge series with a huge following. MGS2 sold more than the PS2 Final Fantasys. MGS is the definition of a system seller so just stop trying please.

I already got the idea that Halo was the definiton of a system seller. If Metal Gear Solid 2 was such a system seller, then why is it that people don't call it the game you have to own if you have a PS2?

I DO call MGS the game to own on PS2. PS2 had so many amazing games no one game came to be identified with it, unlike Halo and Mario.

where is the official word from Microsoft or Bungie that Halo 3 has sold 11 million copies, that sounds so untrue.krunkfu2

As of January 3rd, 2008, Halo 3 has sold 8.1 million copies. Fine, I fudged. Sorry, I'll change that.

What is the use. You lack reading skills anyway. It is like talking to a brick.

gamenux

If I lack reading skills, you obviously lack writing skills ("heck, my 2 xbox1...", what is that?!), because as far as I am concerned, your first paragraph directly accuses me of calling FPS a bar-setter for the FPS genre. The rest of your post goes on to say that Halo is a system seller, yes. But that first paragraph still exists.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?locopatho

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

O stop it. MGS is a huge series with a huge following. MGS2 sold more than the PS2 Final Fantasys. MGS is the definition of a system seller so just stop trying please.

I already got the idea that Halo was the definiton of a system seller. If Metal Gear Solid 2 was such a system seller, then why is it that people don't call it the game you have to own if you have a PS2?

I DO call MGS the game to own on PS2. PS2 had so many amazing games no one game came to be identified with it, unlike Halo and Mario.

So now you're saying that MGS2 sold less in comparison because the PS2 had too many good games? :lol:

I'm wondering if MGS4 isn't a system seller, what PS3 exclusive game would be?

Buy yep, Sony better advertise MGS4 as one of the biggest games in history or else.

I agree that need to advertise like crazy when it has a release date and can plan accordingly. Im sure they will as this is the game they and everyone else has been waiting for.

ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?taker_1192

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

O stop it. MGS is a huge series with a huge following. MGS2 sold more than the PS2 Final Fantasys. MGS is the definition of a system seller so just stop trying please.

I already got the idea that Halo was the definiton of a system seller. If Metal Gear Solid 2 was such a system seller, then why is it that people don't call it the game you have to own if you have a PS2?

Maybe because there were so many other great games?

I think that is true. MS seems to put almost all of their marketing on 1 game. And that is Halo.

Coming from PC, we know how Windows is like. And how buggy it can be. But MS is good at 1 thing more than making OS. And that is marketing. They are really good at it. They really know how to jam it down consumer's throat.

360 before Gears, Bioshock and maybe ME really did not have any other system seller besides Halo3. Who would have expect Gears to be so big. Anyway, my point is cause PS3 comes from a line of ps2 and ps1, people have lots of expectations for it. And people enjoy ps1 and ps2 for it variety. So MGS4 as big as it is, just get lost in the shuffle.

MGS4 is a system seller, wither you like it or not.

Btw, your topic worth a sig for future ownage.

[QUOTE="gamenux"]

What is the use. You lack reading skills anyway. It is like talking to a brick.

princeofshapeir

If I lack reading skills, you obviously lack writing skills ("heck, my 2 xbox1...", what is that?!), because as far as I am concerned, your first paragraph directly accuses me of calling FPS a bar-setter for the FPS genre. The rest of your post goes on to say that Halo is a system seller, yes. But that first paragraph still exists.

You are pretty sensitive. Fanboy, much?

[QUOTE="0rin"]Just because Microsoft/Bungie whored out the Halo 3 name to every business under the sun, doesn't mean that made all that much of an impact on its sales. You act as if there were grandmothers clammoring to get their hands on Halo 3. The fact is, MGS4 WILL sell systems. Think of all the PS2 owners out there, waiting to buy a next-gen system. MGS4 could very well be that final straw to make a lot of them break down and get a PS3.

By the way, your credibility went right out the window the moment you started trying to compare MGS4 to any of it's predecessors. It's just like people trying to compare KZ2's quality to the original KZ. It's a pathetic attempt to quell the hype. Halo 3 is a great game, but by no means an industry standard. In fact, I'd be willing to bet there are just as many MGS fans as there are Halo fans. if not more. Its just the Halo fans (I would assume) are on average, the younger crowd, thus, being more vocal about their opinions.

Over the years, MGS has aquired quite the cult following. And lets not forget, Sony will probably have a pretty solid (pun intended) advertising campaign for MGS4.

I think it's safe to say MGS4 will sell more than a few PS3's, whether you want it to or not.
princeofshapeir

Metal Gear Solid 4 won't be a game to make PS2 owners buy a PS3. Do you actually think that the average PS2-owner really cares for Metal Gear Solid? Many people that have been owning a PS2 for a long time will think that MGS4 looks idiotic and boring. I'm pretty sure that all people that have been holding off of a current-gen system would have bought a Wii or PS3.

And why can't I compare MGS4 to the other MGS games? Is this some huge contradiction on my part when Metal Gear Solid 4 is taking the same exact route that MGS2 took? Any idiot can draw the huge connections between the two. Also, luring the younger demographic into Halo is a far more important task than luring old fogies that actually know what Metal Gear is.

Metal Gear Solid may have acquired a cult following, but this is a small cult following compared to the bloated Halo crowd. Case in point; I sure as hell don't see a lot of people walking around my school or in public wearing a Master Chief T-Shirt.

I think it isn't safe to say that MGS4 will sell more PS3's. And, believe it or not, I actually do want it to become a system seller. However, it obviously isn't becoming a ground-breaking over-hype that will turn the tides of this system war between Microsoft and Sony. Please don't think I don't want Metal Gear Solid 4 to be a hit. Criticizing a game doesn't automatically make one a hater of it.

1. Where is your statistic saying a meaningful number of PS2 owners think MGS4 is "idiotic and boring". Anecdotal evidence is invalid.

2. MGS4 isn't taking "the exact same route" MGS2 took

How many MGS4 --> 360 rumors have there been? How long have the lines been to play a demo of MGS4? How many times do you hear "I'll buy a PS3 once MGS4 releases?"

The game has already garnered a massive amount of hype, to deny that is just to be ignorant. It doesn't need to be featured on a can on Mountain Dew to be a system seller; that's just pure marketing, nothing else to it.

Slashkice

I've really only heard that "I'll buy a PS3 once MGS4 releases" comment here on System Wars, because the person isn't some harcore fanboy that thinks it's perfectly fine to waste tons of money on a game that he's going to beat easily and then store away.

So now you're saying that MGS2 sold less in comparison because the PS2 had too many good games? :lol:

princeofshapeir

Yes. Halo was the killer ap on Xbox for ages. Nintendo 1st party are always the killer aps on their consoles. Other stuff got ignored. PS2 had insane variety, there was really no single must own game. It had tons.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?CaseyWegner

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

it doesn't need to match halo's level to be considered a system seller. how do you know there won't be a lot of people buying a ps3 for that game?

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?locopatho

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

O stop it. MGS is a huge series with a huge following. MGS2 sold more than the PS2 Final Fantasys. MGS is the definition of a system seller so just stop trying please.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it's a system seller for me. :?princeofshapeir

I've already addressed this in my post above. You may have bought a PS3 for it, and that's fine. Many other people won't.

it doesn't need to match halo's level to be considered a system seller. how do you know there won't be a lot of people buying a ps3 for that game?

Will people seriously spend that much money for a game they will beat once and toss away? It seems like a very foolish investment. To be honest, only people with deep, deep pockets would do such a thing.

I say the same to your original post. What's the point of wasting money on an overrated game?

IT IS NOT A SYSTEM SELLER.

None of the Metal Gear Solid games have ever been system sellers. Metal Gear Solid sold around 6 million; this is very good for a game, but this doesn't exactly create the image that everybody that owned a PS1 bought Metal Gear Solid! Metal Gear Solid 2 was hyped when it was first unveiled at E3 for its superb graphics and amazing gameplay, but does 7 million copies sold compared to Halo 2's 8 million (This game was released in 2004; MGS2 was released in 2001), or Halo 3's 8.1 million (ALREADY!) sound like "SUPER MASSIVE OMEGA SELLER" to you?

Metal Gear fans, if you want to call Metal Gear Solid 4 a definite system seller, I demand that you look at the absurd overhype that everybody gave Halo 3. There is no sports drink made after Metal Gear Solid. There aren't people buying Playstation 3's just for MGS4. (Even if all the PS3 users bought one for MGS4 alone, MGS4 would still sell less than what MGS2 did!)

Seriously, people, a real system seller is Halo 3. Metal Gear Solid 4 is not a system seller. It may have been one to you, Solid Snake-fans, but to the rest of the world, people still don't know what the @$%# Metal Gear Solid is.

And please don't call me a Lemming (I don't even own a 360!). If you seriously think I'm a fanboy just for using fair rationale and comparison, you're obviously resorting to damage control. And don't even try to call me an MGS-hater! Click on my profile and look at the score I gave MGS2: A perfect 10.

Let's see you try to fit this one in your sigs.

princeofshapeir

omg, your nonsense is getting so goddamn old.

MGS2 sold more copies than ANY game last gen outside of the GT series games, the GTA series games, and Halo 2. It outsold FFX. It outsold Halo 1. It outsold Super Smash Brothers Melee.

If its not a system seller, then you are telling me that the only games from last gen were GT, GTA, and Halo 2.

That is epic failure in logic.

Stop.

The series isn't for casuals, and it never will be. But casuals bought MGS2 for the same reason they will buy MGS4: THE GAME DEFINED NEXT-GEN. MGS2 was THE game to SHOW what the PS2 could do, relatively earlier on in its life cycle. MGS4 is doing the SAME THING. Casuals will buy MGS4, despite the fact that they most likely haven't played the previous installments. The game already IS a system seller because its fanbase alone is large enough to affect system sales.

Maybe you should acknowledge how big its fanbase is, instead of continuing to downplay how big or how good MGS4 will be. Its one of the biggest series in videogames in the past decade and its coming to an end.

You can either accept this and the quality that MGS4 will bring or you can get the hell out of the way and keep quiet. Either way, nobody cares about what your opinions are on the game, the series, or its appeal.

Look at the amount of coverage the game and the series get, not just from the hardcore gamers on here, but the people and organizations that are involved in the industry.

So instead of continuing to post this nonsense over and over again for the next few months until the game releases, save everyone the time and the headache and move on.

[QUOTE="krunkfu2"]where is the official word from Microsoft or Bungie that Halo 3 has sold 11 million copies, that sounds so untrue.princeofshapeir

As of January 3rd, 2008, Halo 3 has sold 8.1 million copies. Fine, I fudged. Sorry, I'll change that.

This article says Halo3 only sold 4.82 million copies. The numbers you are have been throwing around is shipped.

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NPD: 2007 game earnings nearly $18 billion, Halo 3 sells 4.82 million
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6184847.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newsfeatured&tag=featurednews;title;1

Annual tally sees non-PC revenue rise 43 percent to new record; massive Wii, 360, PS3 sales see December top $4.8 billion; Call of Duty 4, Wii Play, Super Mario Galaxy among top 10 games of last year.
By Tor Thorsen, Gamespot Posted Jan 18, 2008 1:18 am GMT

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

I DO call MGS the game to own on PS2. PS2 had so many amazing games no one game came to be identified with it, unlike Halo and Mario.

princeofshapeir

So now you're saying that MGS2 sold less in comparison because the PS2 had too many good games? :lol:

Um, yeah, thats what he is saying. Its nothing more than simple economics.

Looking at EXTREMES:

XBOX - 1 good game, does really well in sales because it has no alternatives.

PS2 - 100s of good games, no single 1 does really well because there are too many alternatives, sales are diluted and dispersed among the competition

GET IT?

Look at the holidays of 2001. If you had a PS2 and could buy 1 game you had a choice among:

GTA3, FFX, and MGS2. All of those games were released between October and the end of the year.

And if you look at the entire year or so, you can extend that list to GT3 and DMC.

Those are some of the biggest games on the PS2. Ever.

You see how they cancel each other out in sales? And don't tell me this isn't realistic, because for casuals with limited budgets, that choice is a reality. Hardcore gamers may want and/or have the money to get all those games, but casuals probably aren't even that interested in that many games.