UT04 Is Better Than Halo 3 MP...

Sure you can't show the world your really stupid videos nobody cares about(without the use of additional software FRAPS etc)smoothizzle

Um actually, yes you can. UT2004 has a built-in demo recording utility..

I'm a UT2004 fan, and it's probably the best multiplayer FPS game I've ever played in terms of variety and depth..but this thread is lame.

I'm so excited about UT3.

I've never played UT2k4, but I found Halo 3's MP to be overwhelming and more than a little identical to past entries in the series. Nothing new there, really kind of tragic. Gave me a hankerin' for old CSS though.

Nope wrong..

PC gamers in system wars = pathetic/lost cause

tccavey2

lolwut? :|

Sure you can't show the world your really stupid videos nobody cares about(without the use of additional software FRAPS etc), but you are taking part in one of the most intense and visceral multiplayer games to date. Halo even tries to copy UT in many respects but still falls short, which is kind of embarrassing given the fact that UT04 is like 3 year old. Who knows though? Maybe its that way because it was designed on consoles, while pc players have instant access to tons of buttons and ofcourse the great benefits of the mouse which adds pixel perfect precision(full resolution also mind you). I could go on listing the dozens of reasons why UT04 is better than Halo3(while its cheaper and runs on a system cheaper than the 360) but i must be going.:arrow:smoothizzle

I don't know what part of the game makes it so incredibly better than Halo 3. PC gamers think of their games are so high and mighty but they are confused...especially when they come up with topics like UT04>Halo 3. I really don't understand what part of that game makes you think this way. It is just an opinion but it is a sad one considering so many pc gamers like to bash the Halo series by saying those exact things when in reality they are jealous or total fanboys who don't know what they like because if Halo 3 came out on pc the same time, you'd be loving it right now.Ilived

Why dont you list those dozens of reasons?-Sora

Any reasoning he could possibly give, save for ones concerning game depth and variety (both in which UT2004 has a huge upper-hand), are likely to be completely subjective..

..which is why this thread is pointless.

[QUOTE="-Sora"]Why dont you list those dozens of reasons?Velocitas8

Any reasoning he could possibly give, save for ones concerning game depth and variety, are likely to be completely subjective..

..which is why this thread is pointless.

64 players>16 players. objective.smoothizzle

Numerically, yes. But is 64 players better than 16 players? Nope.

I personally can't stand the biggest UT2004 Assault/Onslaught maps with any more than around 20 players. Even less for other gametypes.

Honest to god, I can't say your opinion is very credible because for all I know you can be a Halo hater because of its popularity. Sure you won't admit it, but it probably is the reason. Nobody is saying Halo 3 is the second coming, but just because a game is more popular doesn't make it bad. You are an UT fan and I'm a Halo fan, and you did not include facts, it was all an opinion. I can say the things that are in Halo 3 and what makes it so fun but you won't agree to it or won't think it's a big deal because that's how you are.Ilived

To each his own I guess. I'll just say I disagree and leave it at that. :)

[QUOTE="smoothizzle"]64 players>16 players. objective.Velocitas8

Numerically, yes. But is 64 players better than 16 players? Nope.

I personally can't stand the biggest UT2004 Assault/Onslaught maps with any more than around 20 players. Even less for other gametypes.

if it really bothers you than you can play on 16 player servers, SERVER lists, another UT04 advantage(a huge one mind you)smoothizzle

You missed the point.

The multiplayer in Halo 3 is good. Most PC Gamers like myself find it a bit boring because Pc shooters have much more intense battles and better multiplayer modes. I personally love battles with 64 players in BF2 since it makes you feel like you are really in a battle. I always found console shootes to be slower in pace than Pc shooters and this is why I think console gamers feel that 16 players is epic. Halo 3 is still a fun game to play once in a while.

[QUOTE="Ilived"]Honest to god, I can't say your opinion is very credible because for all I know you can be a Halo hater because of its popularity. Sure you won't admit it, but it probably is the reason. Nobody is saying Halo 3 is the second coming, but just because a game is more popular doesn't make it bad. You are an UT fan and I'm a Halo fan, and you did not include facts, it was all an opinion. I can say the things that are in Halo 3 and what makes it so fun but you won't agree to it or won't think it's a big deal because that's how you are.smoothizzle

I understand UT04 needs those things to be fun, but Halo can be fun with just weapons and grenades.

The multiplayer in Halo 3 is good. Most PC Gamers like myself find it a bit boring because Pc shooters have much more intense battles and better multiplayer modes. I personally love battles with 64 players in BF2 since it makes you feel like you are really in a battle. I always found console shootes to be slower in pace than Pc shooters and this is why I think console gamers feel that 16 players is epic. Halo 3 is still a fun game to play once in a while.

Deathbourn

That is completely due to the online. Playing console games online always feel second to playing pc games online because it is much more restrictive and dumb down.

I don't know what part of the game makes it so incredibly better than Halo 3. PC gamers think of their games are so high and mighty but they are confused...especially when they come up with topics like UT04>Halo 3. I really don't understand what part of that game makes you think this way. It is just an opinion but it is a sad one considering so many pc gamers like to bash the Halo series by saying those exact things when in reality they are jealous or total fanboys who don't know what they like because if Halo 3 came out on pc the same time, you'd be loving it right now.Ilived

We've had both Halos already and they are crap. Enjoyed the first one on Xbox, hated the second with a passion, the third seems to continue the shoddy multiplayer and gimped grenade throwing. Soanyone who has access to PC with a video card under 2 years old doesn't really care about Halo, we trip over better FPS games all the time.

That aside, i know what he's getting at but i don't really agree with him either. Stop baiting.

[QUOTE="smoothizzle"][QUOTE="Ilived"]Honest to god, I can't say your opinion is very credible because for all I know you can be a Halo hater because of its popularity. Sure you won't admit it, but it probably is the reason. Nobody is saying Halo 3 is the second coming, but just because a game is more popular doesn't make it bad. You are an UT fan and I'm a Halo fan, and you did not include facts, it was all an opinion. I can say the things that are in Halo 3 and what makes it so fun but you won't agree to it or won't think it's a big deal because that's how you are.Ilived

I understand UT04 needs those things to be fun, but Halo can be fun with just weapons and grenades.

[QUOTE="Deathbourn"]

The multiplayer in Halo 3 is good. Most PC Gamers like myself find it a bit boring because Pc shooters have much more intense battles and better multiplayer modes. I personally love battles with 64 players in BF2 since it makes you feel like you are really in a battle. I always found console shootes to be slower in pace than Pc shooters and this is why I think console gamers feel that 16 players is epic. Halo 3 is still a fun game to play once in a while.

Ilived

That is completely due to the online. Playing console games online always feel second to playing pc games online because it is much more restrictive and dumb down.

To those who want to argue score-wise, UT 04 got a 9.4, which would most certainly mean it would get a 9.5 using todays standards, and thats with its relatively shallow singleplayer.smoothizzle

I'm not going to argue with your opinion, because if you like UT04 more than Halo 3, that's your choice. It plays very differently from Halo 3, after all. Much faster game.

However, scores have never really gone up over time. Standards are standards for their time, and as time passes, standards increase. There are plenty of examples of game scores declining over time (Sequels that are too similar to their predecessors, MGS2 compared to MGS2: Substance, Halo 2 on Xbox compared to Halo 2 on PC, Virtual Console games scoring lower than their predecessors).

If UT04 came out today, I doubt it would get a 9.5. It might get a 9.0, though.

How can it be better then halo 3 when it couldnt even beat out halo 2 for multiplayer game of the year?YD_11

[QUOTE="smoothizzle"]To those who want to argue score-wise, UT 04 got a 9.4, which would most certainly mean it would get a 9.5 using todays standards, and thats with its relatively shallow singleplayer.sonicmj1

I'm not going to argue with your opinion, because if you like UT04 more than Halo 3, that's your choice. It plays very differently from Halo 3, after all. Much faster game.

However, scores have never really gone up over time. Standards are standards for their time, and as time passes, standards increase. There are plenty of examples of game scores declining over time (Sequels that are too similar to their predecessors, MGS2 compared to MGS2: Substance, Halo 2 on Xbox compared to Halo 2 on PC, Virtual Console games scoring lower than their predecessors).

If UT04 came out today, I doubt it would get a 9.5. It might get a 9.0, though.

[QUOTE="Ilived"]I don't know what part of the game makes it so incredibly better than Halo 3. PC gamers think of their games are so high and mighty but they are confused...especially when they come up with topics like UT04>Halo 3. I really don't understand what part of that game makes you think this way. It is just an opinion but it is a sad one considering so many pc gamers like to bash the Halo series by saying those exact things when in reality they are jealous or total fanboys who don't know what they like because if Halo 3 came out on pc the same time, you'd be loving it right now.ChinoJamesKeene

We've had both Halos already and they are crap. Enjoyed the first one on Xbox, hated the second with a passion, the third seems to continue the shoddy multiplayer and gimped grenade throwing. Soanyone who has access to PC with a video card under 2 years old doesn't really care about Halo, we trip over better FPS games all the time.

That aside, i know what he's getting at but i don't really agree with him either. Stop baiting.

My computer is fully up-to-date and I still enjoy Halo 3 a lot.

lets see more weapons?

not really when your sole mission in multiplayer is 2 get like 4 of them then its not more weapons, sniper/lightning gun, rocket launcher, minigun...and thats bout it, trust me on that i've played all the UT games and its basically a mad dash to the rocket launcher and other high profile weapons.

I argue with you on the others but most maps are made by users, and mutators ooooo mutators theres a big game changer oh wait you can do them all in halo 3.

P.S: if you dont like halo 3 then thats good for you, you hate a game...a game...wow...amazing you dont like a game...isn't there other things much more worthy of dislike? but in the end you dont like a game, and you've posted...online that you dont like it...I guess in short its...who cares?

The big difference is speed in the gameplay. halo focuses on more significant battles between players where it doesnt exactly last 2 seconds or less to kill someone. and besides, you could always ramp up the game speed and gravity to your liking in halo 3YD_11

9.5 - Let it goBlueBarad

For an Xbox 360 game of course, wouldn't get more than an 8.5/9.0 on PC. Just take a look at Halo 2 on PC.

Nope wrong..

PC gamers in system wars = pathetic/lost cause

tccavey2

PC Gaming has been around long before your 360/PS3/Wii. So the grandfather of gaming should just take a back seat? I don't think so. You need a lesson in Battlefield 2/Battlefield 2142/UT/UT2k4/Counterstrike etc...etc..., which I'm sure you have no experience with.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

[QUOTE="smoothizzle"]To those who want to argue score-wise, UT 04 got a 9.4, which would most certainly mean it would get a 9.5 using todays standards, and thats with its relatively shallow singleplayer.smoothizzle

I'm not going to argue with your opinion, because if you like UT04 more than Halo 3, that's your choice. It plays very differently from Halo 3, after all. Much faster game.

However, scores have never really gone up over time. Standards are standards for their time, and as time passes, standards increase. There are plenty of examples of game scores declining over time (Sequels that are too similar to their predecessors, MGS2 compared to MGS2: Substance, Halo 2 on Xbox compared to Halo 2 on PC, Virtual Console games scoring lower than their predecessors).

If UT04 came out today, I doubt it would get a 9.5. It might get a 9.0, though.

It's possible, but there's no real way to be sure. Being on the PC would have diminished the impact that Forge and Saved Films had on the review score, probably.

I guess we'll find out when it goes up against World in Conflict when GOTY awards start up at the end of the year.

lets see more weapons?

not really when your sole mission in multiplayer is 2 get like 4 of them then its not more weapons, sniper/lightning gun, rocket launcher, minigun...and thats bout it, trust me on that i've played all the UT games and its basically a mad dash to the rocket launcher and other high profile weapons.

I argue with you on the others but most maps are made by users, and mutators ooooo mutators theres a big game changer oh wait you can do them all in halo 3.

P.S: if you dont like halo 3 then thats good for you, you hate a game...a game...wow...amazing you dont like a game...isn't there other things much more worthy of dislike? but in the end you dont like a game, and you've posted...online that you dont like it...I guess in short its...who cares?

WilliamRLBaker

How can it be better then halo 3 when it couldnt even beat out halo 2 for multiplayer game of the year?YD_11

Yeah i love throwing nades like a spaz and having hitboxes the size of cars, non existent weapon balance FTW.

and thats bout it, trust me on that i've played all the UT games and its basically a mad dash to the rocket launcher and other high profile weapons.WilliamRLBaker

LOL yeah right. I can kill any player with any weapon, as each weapon has its use in different situations. Let's see you kill me with the Rocket Launcher when I'm juggling you with the Shock Rifle from the other side of the map..

UT2004 has arguably the best balanced weaponry of any FPS game. No one weapon dominates, and every weapon is useful. Unlike games with terrible weapon balance (See: Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3.)

You're either lying about "playing every UT game" or you don't have the mental capacity to learn how to actually play and use every weapon effectively.

[QUOTE="YD_11"]How can it be better then halo 3 when it couldnt even beat out halo 2 for multiplayer game of the year?ChinoJamesKeene

Yeah i love throwing nades like a spaz and having hitboxes the size of cars, non existent weapon balance FTW.

And yet somehow, its multiplayer is universally praised for being well balanced...that's odd...

[QUOTE="YD_11"]The big difference is speed in the gameplay. halo focuses on more significant battles between players where it doesnt exactly last 2 seconds or less to kill someone. and besides, you could always ramp up the game speed and gravity to your liking in halo 3smoothizzle

The speed is only part of it. But they are fundamentally different games.

UT04 is a twitch shooter. A ton of the game is reflexes and aiming. It wouldn't be a twitch shooter if it didn't move as quickly as it does. The game is geared towards fast, furious gunfights, where the person who has the steadiest mouse hand is the winner.

I wouldn't call Halo 3 tactical, but it's far too slow-paced to be the kind of twitch shooter that UT04 is. I prefer Halo 3's speed to UT04's speed. The slower pace makes the game feel a bit more strategic.

[QUOTE="ChinoJamesKeene"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]I don't know what part of the game makes it so incredibly better than Halo 3. PC gamers think of their games are so high and mighty but they are confused...especially when they come up with topics like UT04>Halo 3. I really don't understand what part of that game makes you think this way. It is just an opinion but it is a sad one considering so many pc gamers like to bash the Halo series by saying those exact things when in reality they are jealous or total fanboys who don't know what they like because if Halo 3 came out on pc the same time, you'd be loving it right now.Ilived

We've had both Halos already and they are crap. Enjoyed the first one on Xbox, hated the second with a passion, the third seems to continue the shoddy multiplayer and gimped grenade throwing. Soanyone who has access to PC with a video card under 2 years old doesn't really care about Halo, we trip over better FPS games all the time.

That aside, i know what he's getting at but i don't really agree with him either. Stop baiting.

My computer is fully up-to-date and I still enjoy Halo 3 a lot.

I meant he should stop baiting. . I can't realy understand what you see in it over other shooters if you got a good computer and internet. But anyway, each to his own

[QUOTE="YD_11"]The big difference is speed in the gameplay. halo focuses on more significant battles between players where it doesnt exactly last 2 seconds or less to kill someone. and besides, you could always ramp up the game speed and gravity to your liking in halo 3smoothizzle

And i guess thats your opinion because i actually dont like kb/m controls much at all. i agree that ut games are fun and all but i just like the feel of halo better. just like with half life, its great and i play it every now and then but still prefer halo over it as well. i dont expect you to feel the same and thats fine but just providing my opinion on the subject

And yet somehow, its multiplayer is universally praised for being well balanced...that's odd...The_Game21x

LOL, by who? One of the reasons why I hate the Halo franchise's multiplayer is due to the horrible weapon balance (across the board, all 3 games have really badly balanced weaponry.)

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]and thats bout it, trust me on that i've played all the UT games and its basically a mad dash to the rocket launcher and other high profile weapons.Velocitas8

LOL yeah right. I can kill any player with any weapon, as each weapon has its use in different situations. Let's see you kill me with the Rocket Launcher when I'm juggling you with the Shock Rifle from the other side of the map..

UT2004 has arguably the best balanced weaponry of any FPS game. No one weapon dominates, and every weapon is useful. Unlike games with terrible weapon balance (See: Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3.)

You're either lying about "playing every UT game" or you don't have the mental capacity to learn how to actually play and use every weapon effectively.

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="ChinoJamesKeene"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]I don't know what part of the game makes it so incredibly better than Halo 3. PC gamers think of their games are so high and mighty but they are confused...especially when they come up with topics like UT04>Halo 3. I really don't understand what part of that game makes you think this way. It is just an opinion but it is a sad one considering so many pc gamers like to bash the Halo series by saying those exact things when in reality they are jealous or total fanboys who don't know what they like because if Halo 3 came out on pc the same time, you'd be loving it right now.ChinoJamesKeene

We've had both Halos already and they are crap. Enjoyed the first one on Xbox, hated the second with a passion, the third seems to continue the shoddy multiplayer and gimped grenade throwing. Soanyone who has access to PC with a video card under 2 years old doesn't really care about Halo, we trip over better FPS games all the time.

That aside, i know what he's getting at but i don't really agree with him either. Stop baiting.

My computer is fully up-to-date and I still enjoy Halo 3 a lot.

I meant he should stop baiting. . I can't realy understand what you see in it over other shooters if you got a good computer and internet. But anyway, each to his own

Because there is nothing on the pc out now that is so much better than anything on the 360. The only thing I'm waiting for on the pc is Crysis.

[QUOTE="smoothizzle"][QUOTE="YD_11"]The big difference is speed in the gameplay. halo focuses on more significant battles between players where it doesnt exactly last 2 seconds or less to kill someone. and besides, you could always ramp up the game speed and gravity to your liking in halo 3YD_11

And i guess thats your opinion because i actually dont like kb/m controls much at all. i agree that ut games are fun and all but i just like the feel of halo better. just like with half life, its great and i play it every now and then but still prefer halo over it as well. i dont expect you to feel the same and thats fine but just providing my opinion on the subject