Validation for HOME

A lot of people in System Wars thinks Home is useless and the content is overpriced.

I agree. However, it is used as a pure cash grab for Sony. It costs Sony hardly anything to digitally distribute stupid looking clothes to the characters in Home. Only stupid people or people who like to blow their moeny on something useless would ever go for this. I think these same stupid people are the ones paying for XBOX Live. We all know how much money MicrosSoft is making off Live subscriptions. The only difference is that you can "enjoy" Home for absolutely free if you wish, while on the other hand, you HAVE to pay MicroSoft money just to PLAY A GAME online.

Stop bending over for these corporations.

Microsoft should just have a standard online system like PSN (which has hardly any lag, it IS as good as XBOX Live, don't believe fanboys) to play games online, and if you want all those stupid Avatars, the "amazing" skill matching system, early access to demos or whatever, THEN you can pay.

That way only some people would buy the subscriptions, and MicroSoft would still make money.

Also, if MicroSoft at the very least had a stripped down version that was free, and only offered online play, it would create competition for Sony. It would force them to add features (rip them off of XBOX Live, of course) at a much faster rate than they are. But since XBOX Live is costly, Sony probably figures it has a strong enough upper hand being the free online service that cheap (or realistic) gamers will turn to.

In the long run MicroSoft charging for XBOX Live is hurting more than just MicroSofts own users.

No. Nothing alike.

You pay for Xbox Live to play games online. Games like Halo, Gears 2, Fable.

You pay for crappy thigns on Home just to looh slightly different to the others.

HOME is pointless, so paying for it is. Xbox Live is almost essential, as is paying for it.

No. Nothing alike.

You pay for Xbox Live to play games online. Games like Halo, Gears 2, Fable.

You pay for crappy thigns on Home just to looh slightly different to the others.

HOME is pointless, so paying for it is. Xbox Live is almost essential, as is paying for it.

-Snooze-

Someone missed the point.

Both are ways of milking stupid people. As essential as playing online is, there is no reason for it to cost any money at all. that was my point. If Billy already bought an XBOX, and XBOX Live should be part of that experience, should he have to pay again? (and again, and again) If you want something extra, like alot of the features on XBOX live like avatars, then sure Microsoft can Charge you. Extra clothes in Home add nothing "essential" to your experience so they are extra luxuries. (on top of the luxy costs gaming has already).

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

No. Nothing alike.

You pay for Xbox Live to play games online. Games like Halo, Gears 2, Fable.

You pay for crappy thigns on Home just to looh slightly different to the others.

HOME is pointless, so paying for it is. Xbox Live is almost essential, as is paying for it.

Someone missed the point.

Both are ways of milking stupid people. As essential as playing online is, there is no reason for it to cost any money at all. that was my point. If Billy already bought an XBOX, and XBOX Live should be part of that experience, should he have to pay again? (and again, and again) If you want something extra, like alot of the features on XBOX live like avatars, then sure Microsoft can Charge you. Extra clothes in Home add nothing "essential" to your experience so they are extra luxuries. (on top of the luxy costs gaming has already).

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

No. Nothing alike.

You pay for Xbox Live to play games online. Games like Halo, Gears 2, Fable.

You pay for crappy thigns on Home just to looh slightly different to the others.

HOME is pointless, so paying for it is. Xbox Live is almost essential, as is paying for it.

Someone missed the point.

Both are ways of milking stupid people. As essential as playing online is, there is no reason for it to cost any money at all. that was my point. If Billy already bought an XBOX, and XBOX Live should be part of that experience, should he have to pay again? (and again, and again) If you want something extra, like alot of the features on XBOX live like avatars, then sure Microsoft can Charge you. Extra clothes in Home add nothing "essential" to your experience so they are extra luxuries. (on top of the luxy costs gaming has already).

How are Cows milked at all? (LOL I just read that)

after buying a $400 PS3 and a game, there are no further charges preventing you from fully enjoying any game (unless you want another controller for splitscreen)

I don't like to think of myself as a fanboy (have a PS3 and Wii, Brother has 360) but Microsoft is the master of milkage. After buying your exbox and game, you might need a wifi adapter. You need your XBOX Live subsciption. It is recommended you buy a battery charge kit (AA batteries are expensive). I agree Microsoft can knock themselves out charging for Gold. However, the free silver accounts SHOULD include online play at its most basic. ESPECIALLY considering how many games this generation would be MUCH worse. without their multiplayer.

[QUOTE="Cow-Juice"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

No. Nothing alike.

You pay for Xbox Live to play games online. Games like Halo, Gears 2, Fable.

You pay for crappy thigns on Home just to looh slightly different to the others.

HOME is pointless, so paying for it is. Xbox Live is almost essential, as is paying for it.

-Snooze-

Someone missed the point.

Both are ways of milking stupid people. As essential as playing online is, there is no reason for it to cost any money at all. that was my point. If Billy already bought an XBOX, and XBOX Live should be part of that experience, should he have to pay again? (and again, and again) If you want something extra, like alot of the features on XBOX live like avatars, then sure Microsoft can Charge you. Extra clothes in Home add nothing "essential" to your experience so they are extra luxuries. (on top of the luxy costs gaming has already).

Your confused, Cows don't get milked whenever thier owner sees fit...Its the same as live. You pay for what you want.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"][QUOTE="Cow-Juice"]

Someone missed the point.

Both are ways of milking stupid people. As essential as playing online is, there is no reason for it to cost any money at all. that was my point. If Billy already bought an XBOX, and XBOX Live should be part of that experience, should he have to pay again? (and again, and again) If you want something extra, like alot of the features on XBOX live like avatars, then sure Microsoft can Charge you. Extra clothes in Home add nothing "essential" to your experience so they are extra luxuries. (on top of the luxy costs gaming has already).

arabi_89

I meant REAL cows. Besides, last i checked Cows still have to pay for games ... unless they don't want/need them either.

That's the thing with choice, it's free. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. No one is milking anyone.

Once again, i'm talking about Real Cows. They are milked when there owners feels like it (Assuming they have some to give)

Calling Xbox Live Milkage would assume MS can take money of me when THEY want. When in fact, i give them money when I want.

MS give you the choice. The choice we deserve. The choice they promised before this gen even started.

I meant REAL cows. Besides, last i checked Cows still have to pay for games ... unless they don't want/need them either.

That's the thing with choice, it's free. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. No one is milking anyone.

-Snooze-

Sorry I didn't catch the sarcasm there..

But you still don't get it. This generation I would say that Online play is a need, not a want. especially if your console is connected to the internet.

Since you don't seem to be catching on, I'll give you an analogy to help you. Say you bought a car (XBOX 360). Your car has a very nice air conditioning unit in is. In fact, that is one of the heavily advertised features of your car. (XBOX Live) You then find out you have to pay to use the air conditioner, even though it is already there, to get use out of it you must pay. (XBOX Live subscriptions). And then the PS3 is a car in real life, where the air conditioning works logically, and doesn't tease you.

Once again, i'm talking about Real Cows. They are milked when there owners feels like it (Assuming they have some to give)

Calling Xbox Live Milkage would assume MS can take money of me when THEY want. When in fact, i give them money when I want.

MS give you the choice. The choice we deserve. The choice they promised before this gen even started.

-Snooze-

How are Cows milked at all? (LOL I just read that)

after buying a $400 PS3 and a game, there are no further charges preventing you from fully enjoying any game (unless you want another controller for splitscreen)

I don't like to think of myself as a fanboy (have a PS3 and Wii, Brother has 360) but Microsoft is the master of milkage. After buying your exbox and game, you might need a wifi adapter. You need your XBOX Live subsciption. It is recommended you buy a battery charge kit (AA batteries are expensive). I agree Microsoft can knock themselves out charging for Gold. However, the free silver accounts SHOULD include online play at its most basic. ESPECIALLY considering how many games this generation would be MUCH worse. without their multiplayer.

Cow-Juice

So because your borther has a 360 you don't consider yourself a fanboy. This thread says otherwise.

Why would you NEED to buy a wifi adapter? Last I checked it's ALWAYS better to have it hard wired. Not to mention you could always buy a cheap wireless switch or router instead of buying the one MS is selling.

Why should playing online be free? Doesn't MS have to pay someone for the upkeep of the servers they use? Doesn't MS have to pay for all the updated content and changes they make to live? Let's not forget that PSN is a joke compared to Live.

Seriously, kids are spoiled.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

I meant REAL cows. Besides, last i checked Cows still have to pay for games ... unless they don't want/need them either.

That's the thing with choice, it's free. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. No one is milking anyone.

Sorry I didn't catch the sarcasm there..

But you still don't get it. This generation I would say that Online play is a need, not a want. especially if your console is connected to the internet.

Since you don't seem to be catching on, I'll give you an analogy to help you. Say you bought a car (XBOX 360). Your car has a very nice air conditioning unit in is. In fact, that is one of the heavily advertised features of your car. (XBOX Live) You then find out you have to pay to use the air conditioner, even though it is already there, to get use out of it you must pay. (XBOX Live subscriptions). And then the PS3 is a car in real life, where the air conditioning works logically, and doesn't tease you.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

I meant REAL cows. Besides, last i checked Cows still have to pay for games ... unless they don't want/need them either.

That's the thing with choice, it's free. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. No one is milking anyone.

Sorry I didn't catch the sarcasm there..

But you still don't get it. This generation I would say that Online play is a need, not a want. especially if your console is connected to the internet.

Since you don't seem to be catching on, I'll give you an analogy to help you. Say you bought a car (XBOX 360). Your car has a very nice air conditioning unit in is. In fact, that is one of the heavily advertised features of your car. (XBOX Live) You then find out you have to pay to use the air conditioner, even though it is already there, to get use out of it you must pay. (XBOX Live subscriptions). And then the PS3 is a car in real life, where the air conditioning works logically, and doesn't tease you.

Once again, i'm talking about Real Cows. They are milked when there owners feels like it (Assuming they have some to give)

Calling Xbox Live Milkage would assume MS can take money of me when THEY want. When in fact, i give them money when I want.

MS give you the choice. The choice we deserve. The choice they promised before this gen even started.

Once again, i'm talking about Real Cows. They are milked when there owners feels like it (Assuming they have some to give)

Calling Xbox Live Milkage would assume MS can take money of me when THEY want. When in fact, i give them money when I want.

MS give you the choice. The choice we deserve. The choice they promised before this gen even started.

I'm not a fanboy, I admitted all the extra features of Live are better than PSN, obviously.

And I didn't say online play was more important, but honestly, who plays Halo, Gears, Call of Duty or Left 4 Dead for their single player?

I agree it is stupid that this generation has so many Multiplayer focused games (thank God for MGS4, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, inFamous, Uncharted, Prince of Persia, etc. for offering strong single players). But if MicroSoft is going to make all their first party and heavily marketed games Multiplayer Focused, how much a choice are they really giving you to pay for XBOX Live? They are denying you part of the experience. PLUS You can buy the downloadable content for even MORE money. Obviously they are choices, but there is a HUGE difference between not buying the new maps for a game and simply not being able to play it online at all because you refuse to pay more than the already ridiculous $60 a game.

Also, PC has much better online (including mods and free content) for FREE. There is no good reason Microsoft should charge for basic online play.

Like I said before, the stuff like Avatar's and advanced matchmaking, hell, even PROFILES. Go ahead make those Gold only. But playing a game of Halo or Gears should only require the Silver account.

And I never said you need a Wifi adapter. But not everybody has the option for a wired connection, Wireless is much more convienient and SHOULD have been built into the elite.

While we're on the subject, don't you hate how Sony only gives you 2 CRAZILY overpriced options if you want to upgrade your hard drive? Oh wait.

BUT.....

Home is free. You don't have to buy clothes or furnish your apartment, they give you standard stuff from the beginning. The places and areas that are sponsored are free. Why are so many down on Home if its a free service that allows you to customize how you like. I've been ordering games from Amazon and got free Home gear (Infamous, Killzone 2). 2 weeks ago Home gave everyone a free place as you own (Enchanted Room).

For some reason people feel that Home is supposed to offer an enhanced gaming launch platform, but in reality its just a place to fart around

The only thing your paying for on XBOX LIVE is Peer to Peer. Its a game console and the main thing for mp is to game online. That alone should not be charged in anyway on a console. I dont care for the party chat and all that hoopla. Also there are the ADS. The freaking annoying ads that companies have paid MS to display. LIVE is a ripoff.

Another example is 1 vs 100. Ask yourself why its FREE with dedicated servers???

The only thing your paying for on XBOX LIVE is Peer to Peer. Its a game console and the main thing for mp is to game online. That alone should not be charged in anyway on a console. I dont care for the party chat and all that hoopla. Also there are the ADS. The freaking annoying ads that companies have paid MS to display. LIVE is a ripoff.

Another example is 1 vs 100. Ask yourself why its FREE with dedicated servers???

Tjeremiah1988

unless you mean 1vs100 ads which are far more numerous and obstrusive then the ad's found elsewhere on xboxlive, and the fact people will be sure to see them unlike others which most users just scroll past.

Once again, i'm talking about Real Cows. They are milked when there owners feels like it (Assuming they have some to give)

Calling Xbox Live Milkage would assume MS can take money of me when THEY want. When in fact, i give them money when I want.

MS give you the choice. The choice we deserve. The choice they promised before this gen even started.

-Snooze-

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

The only thing your paying for on XBOX LIVE is Peer to Peer. Its a game console and the main thing for mp is to game online. That alone should not be charged in anyway on a console. I dont care for the party chat and all that hoopla. Also there are the ADS. The freaking annoying ads that companies have paid MS to display. LIVE is a ripoff.

Another example is 1 vs 100. Ask yourself why its FREE with dedicated servers???

WilliamRLBaker

unless you mean 1vs100 ads which are far more numerous and obstrusive then the ad's found elsewhere on xboxlive, and the fact people will be sure to see them unlike others which most users just scroll past.

[QUOTE="Cow-Juice"]

How are Cows milked at all? (LOL I just read that)

after buying a $400 PS3 and a game, there are no further charges preventing you from fully enjoying any game (unless you want another controller for splitscreen)

I don't like to think of myself as a fanboy (have a PS3 and Wii, Brother has 360) but Microsoft is the master of milkage. After buying your exbox and game, you might need a wifi adapter. You need your XBOX Live subsciption. It is recommended you buy a battery charge kit (AA batteries are expensive). I agree Microsoft can knock themselves out charging for Gold. However, the free silver accounts SHOULD include online play at its most basic. ESPECIALLY considering how many games this generation would be MUCH worse. without their multiplayer.

kingtito

So because your borther has a 360 you don't consider yourself a fanboy. This thread says otherwise.

Why would you NEED to buy a wifi adapter? Last I checked it's ALWAYS better to have it hard wired. Not to mention you could always buy a cheap wireless switch or router instead of buying the one MS is selling.

Why should playing online be free? Doesn't MS have to pay someone for the upkeep of the servers they use? Doesn't MS have to pay for all the updated content and changes they make to live? Let's not forget that PSN is a joke compared to Live.

Seriously, kids are spoiled.

I'm not a fanboy, I admitted all the extra features of Live are better than PSN, obviously.

And I didn't say online play was more important, but honestly, who plays Halo, Gears, Call of Duty or Left 4 Dead for their single player?

I agree it is stupid that this generation has so many Multiplayer focused games (thank God for MGS4, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, inFamous, Uncharted, Prince of Persia, etc. for offering strong single players). But if MicroSoft is going to make all their first party and heavily marketed games Multiplayer Focused, how much a choice are they really giving you to pay for XBOX Live? They are denying you part of the experience. PLUS You can buy the downloadable content for even MORE money. Obviously they are choices, but there is a HUGE difference between not buying the new maps for a game and simply not being able to play it online at all because you refuse to pay more than the already ridiculous $60 a game.

Also, PC has much better online (including mods and free content) for FREE. There is no good reason Microsoft should charge for basic online play.

Like I said before, the stuff like Avatar's and advanced matchmaking, hell, even PROFILES. Go ahead make those Gold only. But playing a game of Halo or Gears should only require the Silver account.

And I never said you need a Wifi adapter. But not everybody has the option for a wired connection, Wireless is much more convienient and SHOULD have been built into the elite.

While we're on the subject, don't you hate how Sony only gives you 2 CRAZILY overpriced options if you want to upgrade your hard drive? Oh wait.

Cow-Juice

A lot of people in System Wars thinks Home is useless and the content is overpriced.

I agree. However, it is used as a pure cash grab for Sony. It costs Sony hardly anything to digitally distribute stupid looking clothes to the characters in Home. Only stupid people or people who like to blow their moeny on something useless would ever go for this. I think these same stupid people are the ones paying for XBOX Live. We all know how much money MicrosSoft is making off Live subscriptions. The only difference is that you can "enjoy" Home for absolutely free if you wish, while on the other hand, you HAVE to pay MicroSoft money just to PLAY A GAME online.

Stop bending over for these corporations.

Microsoft should just have a standard online system like PSN (which has hardly any lag, it IS as good as XBOX Live, don't believe fanboys) to play games online, and if you want all those stupid Avatars, the "amazing" skill matching system, early access to demos or whatever, THEN you can pay.

That way only some people would buy the subscriptions, and MicroSoft would still make money.

Cow-Juice

just thought id point this out;)

How are Cows milked at all? (LOL I just read that)

after buying a $400 PS3 and a game, there are no further charges preventing you from fully enjoying any game (unless you want another controller for splitscreen)

I don't like to think of myself as a fanboy (have a PS3 and Wii, Brother has 360) but Microsoft is the master of milkage. After buying your exbox and game, you might need a wifi adapter. You need your XBOX Live subsciption. It is recommended you buy a battery charge kit (AA batteries are expensive). I agree Microsoft can knock themselves out charging for Gold. However, the free silver accounts SHOULD include online play at its most basic. ESPECIALLY considering how many games this generation would be MUCH worse. without their multiplayer.

How are Cows milked at all? (LOL I just read that)

after buying a $400 PS3 and a game, there are no further charges preventing you from fully enjoying any game (unless you want another controller for splitscreen)

I don't like to think of myself as a fanboy (have a PS3 and Wii, Brother has 360) but Microsoft is the master of milkage. After buying your exbox and game, you might need a wifi adapter. You need your XBOX Live subsciption. It is recommended you buy a battery charge kit (AA batteries are expensive). I agree Microsoft can knock themselves out charging for Gold. However, the free silver accounts SHOULD include online play at its most basic. ESPECIALLY considering how many games this generation would be MUCH worse. without their multiplayer.

For some reason people feel that Home is supposed to offer an enhanced gaming launch platform, but in reality its just a place to fart around

De_Bears

Remember those days? I laughed a lot.

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="Cow-Juice"]

How are Cows milked at all? (LOL I just read that)

after buying a $400 PS3 and a game, there are no further charges preventing you from fully enjoying any game (unless you want another controller for splitscreen)

I don't like to think of myself as a fanboy (have a PS3 and Wii, Brother has 360) but Microsoft is the master of milkage. After buying your exbox and game, you might need a wifi adapter. You need your XBOX Live subsciption. It is recommended you buy a battery charge kit (AA batteries are expensive). I agree Microsoft can knock themselves out charging for Gold. However, the free silver accounts SHOULD include online play at its most basic. ESPECIALLY considering how many games this generation would be MUCH worse. without their multiplayer.

Midnightshade29

So because your borther has a 360 you don't consider yourself a fanboy. This thread says otherwise.

Why would you NEED to buy a wifi adapter? Last I checked it's ALWAYS better to have it hard wired. Not to mention you could always buy a cheap wireless switch or router instead of buying the one MS is selling.

Why should playing online be free? Doesn't MS have to pay someone for the upkeep of the servers they use? Doesn't MS have to pay for all the updated content and changes they make to live? Let's not forget that PSN is a joke compared to Live.

Seriously, kids are spoiled.

All of my friends are adults and have their own homes.. Cross game chat is essential when we all get together and everyone has the time to play something.

If you are watching a movie with your girlfriend no one can interrupt you while you are watching it unless you accept a chat request.

Your scenario is totally bogus.

paying for xbl is a joke, you pay for nothing. Online should be free, its free on the PS3 and PC. But you know what its never going to change, I mean why would MS not want your money $$$ seriously ms is never going to make LIVE free. But it should be free, but its never going to happen.

Once again, i'm talking about Real Cows. They are milked when there owners feels like it (Assuming they have some to give)

Calling Xbox Live Milkage would assume MS can take money of me when THEY want. When in fact, i give them money when I want.

MS give you the choice. The choice we deserve. The choice they promised before this gen even started.

A lot of people in System Wars thinks Home is useless and the content is overpriced.

I agree. However, it is used as a pure cash grab for Sony. It costs Sony hardly anything to digitally distribute stupid looking clothes to the characters in Home. Only stupid people or people who like to blow their moeny on something useless would ever go for this. I think these same stupid people are the ones paying for XBOX Live. We all know how much money MicrosSoft is making off Live subscriptions. The only difference is that you can "enjoy" Home for absolutely free if you wish, while on the other hand, you HAVE to pay MicroSoft money just to PLAY A GAME online.

Stop bending over for these corporations.

Microsoft should just have a standard online system like PSN (which has hardly any lag, it IS as good as XBOX Live, don't believe fanboys) to play games online, and if you want all those stupid Avatars, the "amazing" skill matching system, early access to demos or whatever, THEN you can pay.

That way only some people would buy the subscriptions, and MicroSoft would still make money.

Cow-Juice

Live is the 360's main source of income, no Live fees, no 360s. I think however that it should be free to play online and the fee should be for cross game chat.hoosier7

[QUOTE="Cow-Juice"]

A lot of people in System Wars thinks Home is useless and the content is overpriced.

I agree. However, it is used as a pure cash grab for Sony. It costs Sony hardly anything to digitally distribute stupid looking clothes to the characters in Home. Only stupid people or people who like to blow their moeny on something useless would ever go for this. I think these same stupid people are the ones paying for XBOX Live. We all know how much money MicrosSoft is making off Live subscriptions. The only difference is that you can "enjoy" Home for absolutely free if you wish, while on the other hand, you HAVE to pay MicroSoft money just to PLAY A GAME online.

Stop bending over for these corporations.

Microsoft should just have a standard online system like PSN (which has hardly any lag, it IS as good as XBOX Live, don't believe fanboys) to play games online, and if you want all those stupid Avatars, the "amazing" skill matching system, early access to demos or whatever, THEN you can pay.

That way only some people would buy the subscriptions, and MicroSoft would still make money.

LOXO7

It be cool if we could get millions of people to cancel their account on the same day, I'm sure ms would take notice. But if you ask me its never going to happen, it would take a lot for ms to make xbl free. I just dont see it happening any time soon.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="Cow-Juice"]

A lot of people in System Wars thinks Home is useless and the content is overpriced.

I agree. However, it is used as a pure cash grab for Sony. It costs Sony hardly anything to digitally distribute stupid looking clothes to the characters in Home. Only stupid people or people who like to blow their moeny on something useless would ever go for this. I think these same stupid people are the ones paying for XBOX Live. We all know how much money MicrosSoft is making off Live subscriptions. The only difference is that you can "enjoy" Home for absolutely free if you wish, while on the other hand, you HAVE to pay MicroSoft money just to PLAY A GAME online.

Stop bending over for these corporations.

Microsoft should just have a standard online system like PSN (which has hardly any lag, it IS as good as XBOX Live, don't believe fanboys) to play games online, and if you want all those stupid Avatars, the "amazing" skill matching system, early access to demos or whatever, THEN you can pay.

That way only some people would buy the subscriptions, and MicroSoft would still make money.

It be cool if we could get millions of people to cancel their account on the same day, I'm sure ms would take notice. But if you ask me its never going to happen, it would take a lot for ms to make xbl free. I just dont see it happening any time soon.

wait why are lems defending MS milking them? TC wants free online play for sliver accounts ... whats the problem

[QUOTE="Cow-Juice"]

I'm not a fanboy, I admitted all the extra features of Live are better than PSN, obviously.

slvrraven9

Microsoft should just have a standard online system like PSN (which has hardly any lag, it IS as good as XBOX Live, don't believe fanboys)

Cow-Juice

just thought id point this out;)

That second part was meant to be in the context of the rest of its sentence. I meant for lag. It has equally smooth connections than XBOX Live.

And I don't know about now, but a while ago PSN could handle 15 background downloads at a time and XBOX could only do a few. Have they changed that? Both services are quite different. For example, the PSN Store is MUCH more organized than XBOX Live Marketplace.

I noticed another interesting point up there, XBOX Live has quite a lot of advertisements. PSN only has advertisements in the PSN store (which can actually be helpful to learn of the new content). I find it awful that XBOX users have to put up with ads on their main menu. Especially since they are paying for the service to begin with. I hope they are optionally disabled.

Nothing is free.

Nothing is free.

SUD123456

This much I understand, but there is no reason for so many additional fees.

I already payed for my internet, continue to pay my ISP, bought my XBOX, and should I really have to pay even more to use them together?

I know all the money doesn't go to MicroSoft, but they don't need such a large slice of the pie that is my consumer money. Frankly, it is a brilliant idea. They knew that they would be able to get so many to pay even though many people realize what they give you as a service is not on any level worth $50 or whatever they are charging now.

Xbox live is worth the price.

i like wii and psn because well multiplayer functions work , dont force you to pay to play , ,

and with all the down time xbox360 gets , we still dont get our days we dont use xbox live for,

lol for example

you bought a 1 month card but only go on one day, and not the rest, you still lose your subscription ,,

even if theres down time in between ,

this is ms way of ripping us off ,