Valve is sick of **** party games'

Yeah I agree and MS should listen up though I'd like maybe just a handful of them for use with Natal and a few non VG playing friends & family - I wonder if Valve is working on something really good that's not a party game for Natal.. I really hope so. :)

As an aside, any guesses on what game Rare is bringing to the Natal table ?

Anywho, What ya think ?

The Story

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Valve is looking forward to seeing what people can do with Project Natal, but Left 4 Deadwriter Chet Faliszek has urged developers not to create another mass of crappy mini-game collections like the stinking ocean of filth that drowned the Wii. He also promised that Valve would not be developing anything like that for Natal either.

"Hopefully we've gotten past the point of mini-games," says Faliszek, optimistically."I'm sick of that [makes arm movement]. That's not a game for me anymore. Let's get some real interaction going.We have these technologies now that let us interact in different, really exciting ways. It's developers' jobs to do something with it. Impress me. Don't just make sh*tty games I wouldn't want to play if I had to use a joystick."

And what kind of projects would Valve make? Waggle-flavored Left 4 Dead?: "We'll see. You won't have to make the arm movement of sawing off a zombie's head in some tiresome mini-game. I can promise you that."

there's gonna be a lot of crap made for both peripherals.bobbetybob

While I agree there are WAY too many party games out there despite practically little demand (same with on-rail shooters) because developers are too cheap and lazy to make original games....I do have one thought.

Is there really that much difference between party games and online games? I mean, the basic concept is getting a group of people together to have fun. Valve seems to be alla bout online gaming. Just look at left 4 dead which can only be played online. How is that idea really any different than party games which are meant to be enjoyed as part of a group?

what has valve done that is remotely oringinal "gameplay" wise since.. half life 2. Me thinks they need to keep shhhh'd until they stop milking tf2 and lfd series.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]there's gonna be a lot of crap made for both peripherals.Parasomniac

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]there's gonna be a lot of crap made for both peripherals.Parasomniac

I can't wait to see how Lemmings and Cows try to defened this kind of game (especially after the amount of stick they've given Sheep), because lets face it, as much as both Sony and MS like to pretend it wont happen, there's gonna be a lot of crap made for both peripherals.bobbetybob

While I agree there are WAY too many party games out there despite practically little demand (same with on-rail shooters) because developers are too cheap and lazy to make original games....I do have one thought.

Is there really that much difference between party games and online games? I mean, the basic concept is getting a group of people together to have fun. Valve seems to be alla bout online gaming. Just look at left 4 dead which can only be played online. How is that idea really any different than party games which are meant to be enjoyed as part of a group?

ZIMdoom

:P

i can't really say anything, although i agree with valve, i like carnival games because my kids love it, it's hard not to like something your kids enjoy,in fact i can picture my kids jumping up and down in front of Natal having a whale of a time, it's a good picture,well, to me anywaydelta3074

I agree with them...motion controls have not been utilized all that well this generation. For the most part, you can barely consider the Wiimote (without M+) to be motion controls since it heavily involves a lot of waggling.

While I agree there are WAY too many party games out there despite practically little demand (same with on-rail shooters) because developers are too cheap and lazy to make original games....I do have one thought.

Is there really that much difference between party games and online games? I mean, the basic concept is getting a group of people together to have fun. Valve seems to be alla bout online gaming. Just look at left 4 dead which can only be played online. How is that idea really any different than party games which are meant to be enjoyed as part of a group?

They make a good point. The whole novelty thing of motion controls is wearing out fast - at least for people who game as a serious hobby.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

While I agree there are WAY too many party games out there despite practically little demand (same with on-rail shooters) because developers are too cheap and lazy to make original games....I do have one thought.

Is there really that much difference between party games and online games? I mean, the basic concept is getting a group of people together to have fun. Valve seems to be alla bout online gaming. Just look at left 4 dead which can only be played online. How is that idea really any different than party games which are meant to be enjoyed as part of a group?

blue_hazy_basic

Yeah, but really we are talking about Valve's opinion of what constitutes valuable "interactive" games. I actually agree with them, but the sad truth is that there are people buying these crappy mini-games. If there weren't then developers wouldn't keep dumping them on the Wii.

They seem to be making the point that the games SUCK (which is true), but then tie it in with motion control and the whole genre of party games. It wouldn't surprise me if we took any genre of games out there and said "Most action games are trash so people really need to stop making action games!" It doesn't make sense, but that seems to be how he is coming across.

I think his REAL point isn't that he is sick of party games, just sick of all the CRAP out there and the lack of innovation.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

While I agree there are WAY too many party games out there despite practically little demand (same with on-rail shooters) because developers are too cheap and lazy to make original games....I do have one thought.

Is there really that much difference between party games and online games? I mean, the basic concept is getting a group of people together to have fun. Valve seems to be alla bout online gaming. Just look at left 4 dead which can only be played online. How is that idea really any different than party games which are meant to be enjoyed as part of a group?

Yeah, but really we are talking about Valve's opinion of what constitutes valuable "interactive" games. I actually agree with them, but the sad truth is that there are people buying these crappy mini-games. If there weren't then developers wouldn't keep dumping them on the Wii.

They seem to be making the point that the games SUCK (which is true), but then tie it in with motion control and the whole genre of party games. It wouldn't surprise me if we took any genre of games out there and said "Most action games are trash so people really need to stop making action games!" It doesn't make sense, but that seems to be how he is coming across.

I think his REAL point isn't that he is sick of party games, just sick of all the CRAP out there and the lack of innovation.

Kinda sad that they would go out of their way to make fun of another genre of gaming. I love Value and all but what makes a TF2 any better than a party game?

I somewhat respect Valve for saying this. It shows their not just in it for the money an they want to impress.

Go Valve, now go get to work on one of your "original" FPS games!!! :P I would think they would also be getting sick of rehashing the L4D series or FPS games in general since that has been all they have ever done. jimmarko21876

Kinda sad that they would go out of their way to make fun of another genre of gaming. I love Value and all but what makes a TF2 any better than a party game?

HarlockJC

he just said he was sick of there being too many party games and not enough other types of games.

sort of like when sheep say they are sick of all the FPSes on the HD consoles. They don't hate FPSes, because if they did they wouldn't be defending treyarch whenever a new call of duty is made for Wii. The just don't like the fac that the HD consoles get too many FPSes and not enough of the other genres.

As valve don't develop for the PS3, I couldn't give a crap what valve think.

I can't wait to see how Lemmings and Cows try to defened this kind of game (especially after the amount of stick they've given Sheep), because lets face it, as much as both Sony and MS like to pretend it wont happen, there's gonna be a lot of crap made for both peripherals.bobbetybob

pretty funny as l4d is pretty much a party game with blood and guts :P

JONO51

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]I can't wait to see how Lemmings and Cows try to defened this kind of game (especially after the amount of stick they've given Sheep), because lets face it, as much as both Sony and MS like to pretend it wont happen, there's gonna be a lot of crap made for both peripherals.Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="bobbetybob"]I can't wait to see how Lemmings and Cows try to defened this kind of game (especially after the amount of stick they've given Sheep), because lets face it, as much as both Sony and MS like to pretend it wont happen, there's gonna be a lot of crap made for both peripherals.bobbetybob

Yeah I agree and MS should listen up though I'd like maybe just a handful of them for use with Natal and a few non VG playing friends & family - I wonder if Valve is working on something really good that's not a party game for Natal.. I really hope so. :)

As an aside, any guesses on what game Rare is bringing to the Natal table ?

Anywho, What ya think ?

The Story

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Valve is looking forward to seeing what people can do with Project Natal, but Left 4 Deadwriter Chet Faliszek has urged developers not to create another mass of crappy mini-game collections like the stinking ocean of filth that drowned the Wii. He also promised that Valve would not be developing anything like that for Natal either.

"Hopefully we've gotten past the point of mini-games," says Faliszek, optimistically."I'm sick of that [makes arm movement]. That's not a game for me anymore. Let's get some real interaction going.We have these technologies now that let us interact in different, really exciting ways. It's developers' jobs to do something with it. Impress me. Don't just make sh*tty games I wouldn't want to play if I had to use a joystick."

And what kind of projects would Valve make? Waggle-flavored Left 4 Dead?: "We'll see. You won't have to make the arm movement of sawing off a zombie's head in some tiresome mini-game. I can promise you that."

SecretPolice

:lol:

I completely agree with those points. Just hearing my english teacher talking about her Wii games is utterly sickening for me :D

Hopefully Valve can pull something really big out of motion controllers.

LMAO at that dude calling TF2 a "party game".

Kinda sad that they would go out of their way to make fun of another genre of gaming. I love Value and all but what makes a TF2 any better than a party game?

HarlockJC

what has valve done that is remotely oringinal "gameplay" wise since.. half life 2. Me thinks they need to keep shhhh'd until they stop milking tf2 and lfd series.

o0squishy0o

I don't think Natal will be good for something else honestly. But I'm not calling anything Ill wait till it's released. Maybe developers will come out with unique ways to interact with the game. We will see.

I can't wait to see how Lemmings and Cows try to defened this kind of game (especially after the amount of stick they've given Sheep), because lets face it, as much as both Sony and MS like to pretend it wont happen, there's gonna be a lot of crap made for both peripherals.bobbetybob

There's nothing to defend. Just wait for it to die; it should be soon enough. I can see the inclusion of all 3 consoles having motion control completely killing the excitement surrounding it.

what has valve done that is remotely oringinal "gameplay" wise since.. half life 2. Me thinks they need to keep shhhh'd until they stop milking tf2 and lfd series.

o0squishy0o

Team Fortress2, and saying they are milking TF2 series? Is this a joke?

LMAO at that dude calling TF2 a "party game".

redneckdouglas

what has valve done that is remotely oringinal "gameplay" wise since.. half life 2. Me thinks they need to keep shhhh'd until they stop milking tf2 and lfd series.

o0squishy0o

Whaaa? How are they milking those games? Is supporting the games they made post release milking them? Seriously someone answer cause Im baffled by this guys post.

Is Natal even going to be capable for games that are not **** party games? :|RedruM_I

Well Molineaux likes Natal so there is hope. Personally I hope for a Black & White game for consoles with natal controls.

Me thinks they need to keep shhhh'd until they stop milking tf2

o0squishy0o

You do realise that Valve has only released two Team Fortress games and is currently supporting Team Fortress 2 with new updates and free DLC?Tell me, how the **** is that even considered milking.

Kinda sad that they would go out of their way to make fun of another genre of gaming. I love Value and all but what makes a TF2 any better than a party game?

HarlockJC

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]Is Natal even going to be capable for games that are not **** party games? :|rzepak

Well Molineaux likes Natal so there is hope. Personally I hope for a Black & White game for consoles with natal controls.

Screw that, I want Dungeon Keeper 3 and another Populous.. Vastly superior game series compared to Fable and Black & white.

Valve is sick of party games? Really?

I'm sick of first person shooters, Valve.

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

Me thinks they need to keep shhhh'd until they stop milking tf2

Vesica_Prime

You do realise that Valve has only released two Team Fortress games and is currently supporting Team Fortress 2 with new updates and free DLC?Tell me, how the **** is that even considered milking.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

Me thinks they need to keep shhhh'd until they stop milking tf2

o0squishy0o

You do realise that Valve has only released two Team Fortress games and is currently supporting Team Fortress 2 with new updates and free DLC?Tell me, how the **** is that even considered milking.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

Me thinks they need to keep shhhh'd until they stop milking tf2

o0squishy0o

You do realise that Valve has only released two Team Fortress games and is currently supporting Team Fortress 2 with new updates and free DLC?Tell me, how the **** is that even considered milking.

No the updates being map packs, game modes, new weapons and of course new achievements. What have Halo DLC brought it? MAP PACKS OH JOLLY LET ME FORK OUT AN ADDITIONAL $10 FOR THEM. Also have you even played or understand how TF2 is even played?

Shame that hardly anyone can bash Valve using logic and reasoning.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

Me thinks they need to keep shhhh'd until they stop milking tf2

o0squishy0o

You do realise that Valve has only released two Team Fortress games and is currently supporting Team Fortress 2 with new updates and free DLC?Tell me, how the **** is that even considered milking.

Explain how Valve is "milking" it when they continue to update it for free and sell it at obscene discounts.

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]Is Natal even going to be capable for games that are not **** party games? :|sSubZerOo

Well Molineaux likes Natal so there is hope. Personally I hope for a Black & White game for consoles with natal controls.

Screw that, I want Dungeon Keeper 3 and another Populous.. Vastly superior game series compared to Fable and Black & white.

Impossible. Peter doesnt have the rights to those game anyome.