VG Chartz honest question...looking for biased answers!

It goes from hated to loved to hated depending on whether or not it serves the person's purpose. I've often seen the same people who scream about it being fake, using it in a point later.

Honestly, I've never seen a single thing to show it fake, therefore, I consider it to be accurate.

It goes from hated to loved to hated depending on whether or not it serves the person's purpose. I've often seen the same people who scream about it being fake, using it in a point later.

Honestly, I've never seen a single thing to show it fake, therefore, I consider it to be accurate.

Andrew_Xavier

i would have to agree with you b/c that is my stance now. i won't change my stance until i can get an intelligent reason otherwise.

I could be wrong but as far as I know they don't use any real data.

They speculate, study the market, and history. Say a big game is coming out for a system, they take that into account. They take alot of information and make an educated guess at sales. But it's all a guess, and supposedly when REAL numbers come out they are often way off.

So they make educated guesses, but no better than some people on here could. And they are not backed up

I could be wrong but as far as I know they don't use any real data.

They speculate, study the market, and history. Say a big game is coming out for a system, they take that into account. They take alot of information and make an educated guess at sales. But it's all a guess, and supposedly when REAL numbers come out they are often way off.

So they make educated guesses, but no better than some people on here could. And they are not backed up

Couth_

So does NPD, and NPD is regarded as "god" here.

I could be wrong but as far as I know they don't use any real data.

They speculate, study the market, and history. Say a big game is coming out for a system, they take that into account. They take alot of information and make an educated guess at sales. But it's all a guess, and supposedly when REAL numbers come out they are often way off.

So they make educated guesses, but no better than some people on here could. And they are not backed up

Couth_

So does NPD, and NPD is regarded as "god" here. The amount of data they go through to make such "educated guesses" far exceeds that which "some people on here" have access to.

[QUOTE="Couth_"]

I could be wrong but as far as I know they don't use any real data.

They speculate, study the market, and history. Say a big game is coming out for a system, they take that into account. They take alot of information and make an educated guess at sales. But it's all a guess, and supposedly when REAL numbers come out they are often way off.

So they make educated guesses, but no better than some people on here could. And they are not backed up

Andrew_Xavier

So does NPD, and NPD is regarded as "god" here. The amount of data they go through to make such "educated guesses" far exceeds that which "some people on here" have access to.

that is true and i would also like to add....if not VGChartz then what site or information should i look to find my source of information?

[QUOTE="Couth_"]

I could be wrong but as far as I know they don't use any real data.

They speculate, study the market, and history. Say a big game is coming out for a system, they take that into account. They take alot of information and make an educated guess at sales. But it's all a guess, and supposedly when REAL numbers come out they are often way off.

So they make educated guesses, but no better than some people on here could. And they are not backed up

Andrew_Xavier

So does NPD, and NPD is regarded as "god" here. The amount of data they go through to make such "educated guesses" far exceeds that which "some people on here" have access to.

Also note NPD only covers the U.S. And is a credible company, not just in System Wars. VGChartz numbers attempt to cover the entire planet

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Couth_"]

I could be wrong but as far as I know they don't use any real data.

They speculate, study the market, and history. Say a big game is coming out for a system, they take that into account. They take alot of information and make an educated guess at sales. But it's all a guess, and supposedly when REAL numbers come out they are often way off.

So they make educated guesses, but no better than some people on here could. And they are not backed up

Couth_

So does NPD, and NPD is regarded as "god" here. The amount of data they go through to make such "educated guesses" far exceeds that which "some people on here" have access to.

Also note NPD only covers the U.S. And is a credible company, not just in System Wars. VGChartz numbers attempt to cover the entire planet

And you know NPD uses retailer information, and vgcharts does now, how exactly?

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Couth_"]

I could be wrong but as far as I know they don't use any real data.

They speculate, study the market, and history. Say a big game is coming out for a system, they take that into account. They take alot of information and make an educated guess at sales. But it's all a guess, and supposedly when REAL numbers come out they are often way off.

So they make educated guesses, but no better than some people on here could. And they are not backed up

Andrew_Xavier

So does NPD, and NPD is regarded as "god" here. The amount of data they go through to make such "educated guesses" far exceeds that which "some people on here" have access to.

Also note NPD only covers the U.S. And is a credible company, not just in System Wars. VGChartz numbers attempt to cover the entire planet

And you know NPD uses retailer information, and vgcharts does now, how exactly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPD_Group

http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextpage=corp_welcome.html

Dude NPD is a REAL, RESPECTED company. THE leading global market research company for the U.S. They research pparel, appliances, automotive, beauty, consumer electronics, food and beverage, foodservice, footwear, home improvement, housewares, imaging, information technology, movies, music, software, toys, video games and wireless.

VGChartz is nothing compared to NPD, they use sample sizes. And only cover video games, for fanboys who want to know the sales http://www.vgchartz.com/welcome.php

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Couth_"]

I could be wrong but as far as I know they don't use any real data.

They speculate, study the market, and history. Say a big game is coming out for a system, they take that into account. They take alot of information and make an educated guess at sales. But it's all a guess, and supposedly when REAL numbers come out they are often way off.

So they make educated guesses, but no better than some people on here could. And they are not backed up

Andrew_Xavier

So does NPD, and NPD is regarded as "god" here. The amount of data they go through to make such "educated guesses" far exceeds that which "some people on here" have access to.

Also note NPD only covers the U.S. And is a credible company, not just in System Wars. VGChartz numbers attempt to cover the entire planet

And you know NPD uses retailer information, and vgcharts does now, how exactly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPD_Group

http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextpage=corp_welcome.html

Dude NPD is a REAL, RESPECTED company. THE leading global market research company for the U.S. They research pparel, appliances, automotive, beauty, consumer electronics, food and beverage, foodservice, footwear, home improvement, housewares, imaging, information technology, movies, music, software, toys, video games and wireless.

VGChartz is nothing compared to NPD, they use sample sizes. And only cover video games, for fanboys who want to know the sales http://www.vgchartz.com/welcome.php

"VG Chartz should be seen as a very powerful prediction tool for industry and casual user alike in looking ahead to the future market and making educated and informed predictions."

I "hate" it (more like couldn't care, but love hate are the words used in this thead) because in my view, sales are largely irrelevant.SpruceCaboose

really they are but when it comes to "PWNAGE" sales mean something. there didn't seem to be a standard but then again that would require common sense from SW posters. but i must say that everyone who has posted in this thread has done a good job having common sense....so far

Because this shows how "accurate" they are. But of course, VGchartz gets all their data from a pool of retailers too, right?XaosII

Neat, so, a game they didn't cover proves accuracy/inaccuracy?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I "hate" it (more like couldn't care, but love hate are the words used in this thead) because in my view, sales are largely irrelevant.Kansrite

really they are but when it comes to "PWNAGE" sales mean something.

And I am supposed to feel like "pwnage" means something?

I am a gamer, not a fanboy. I play games for fun and enjoyment, not to "prove" to someone else that "their" console is worse than "mine".

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Because this shows how "accurate" they are. But of course, VGchartz gets all their data from a pool of retailers too, right?Andrew_Xavier

Neat, so, a game they didn't cover proves accuracy/inaccuracy?

Why would it matter if it was covered or not? That would have no bearing on the numbers they get from their sources for the sales of the title.

[QUOTE="Kansrite"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I "hate" it (more like couldn't care, but love hate are the words used in this thead) because in my view, sales are largely irrelevant.SpruceCaboose

really they are but when it comes to "PWNAGE" sales mean something.

And I am supposed to feel like "pwnage" means something?

I am a gamer, not a fanboy. I play games for fun and enjoyment, not to "prove" to someone else that "their" console is worse than "mine".

you are posting is SYSTEM WARS, i would expect that it does mean something to you. if it didn't you probably would be posting in the forums that relate to your console.

I like VG Chartz.

Hi makingmusic476 ;)

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Because this shows how "accurate" they are. But of course, VGchartz gets all their data from a pool of retailers too, right?XaosII

Neat, so, a game they didn't cover proves accuracy/inaccuracy?

Why would it matter if it was covered or not? That would have no bearing on the numbers they get from their sources for the sales of the title.

Simple, they didn't post any sales for the witcher, not inaccurate sales numbers, or accurate sales numbers, they simply didn't post any numbers.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Kansrite"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I "hate" it (more like couldn't care, but love hate are the words used in this thead) because in my view, sales are largely irrelevant.Kansrite

really they are but when it comes to "PWNAGE" sales mean something.

And I am supposed to feel like "pwnage" means something?

I am a gamer, not a fanboy. I play games for fun and enjoyment, not to "prove" to someone else that "their" console is worse than "mine".

you are posting is SYSTEM WARS, i would expect that it does mean something to you. if it didn't you probably would be posting in the forums that relate to your console.

I own all the consoles. I come to SW to point out the illogical nature of fanboys.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Because this shows how "accurate" they are. But of course, VGchartz gets all their data from a pool of retailers too, right?Andrew_Xavier

Neat, so, a game they didn't cover proves accuracy/inaccuracy?

Why would it matter if it was covered or not? That would have no bearing on the numbers they get from their sources for the sales of the title.

Simple, they didn't post any sales for the witcher, not inaccurate sales numbers, or accurate sales numbers, they simply didn't post any numbers.

They did not say "Sales not counted" or something like that. They say 0.0 million units sold. That is an inaccuracy of major proportions.

They did not say "Sales not counted" or something like that. They say 0.0 million units sold. That is an inaccuracy of major proportions.

SpruceCaboose

They don't say "sales not counted" when they don't count sales, seriously, that still doesn't make the numbers they post accurate or inaccurate.

The difference between NPD and VGChartz is night and day

NPD is the real dealmaket reaserch company. VGChartz makes video game sales predictions for fanboys

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

They did not say "Sales not counted" or something like that. They say 0.0 million units sold. That is an inaccuracy of major proportions.

Andrew_Xavier

They don't say "sales not counted" when they don't count sales, seriously, that still doesn't make the numbers they post accurate or inaccurate.

Yes, it does. They are claiming to be an accurate guide for the video game industry. Having a major, glaring statistical error about a game makes any other statistical "claim" from them highly suspect, especially any claims that they get "real" data from retailers.

[QUOTE="Kansrite"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Kansrite"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I "hate" it (more like couldn't care, but love hate are the words used in this thead) because in my view, sales are largely irrelevant.SpruceCaboose

really they are but when it comes to "PWNAGE" sales mean something.

And I am supposed to feel like "pwnage" means something?

I am a gamer, not a fanboy. I play games for fun and enjoyment, not to "prove" to someone else that "their" console is worse than "mine".

you are posting is SYSTEM WARS, i would expect that it does mean something to you. if it didn't you probably would be posting in the forums that relate to your console.

I own all the consoles. I come to SW to point out the illogical nature of fanboys.

thank you for sparing your time to do that. to be honest you can do this for the rest of your life and you wouldn't be done. illogical and system wars go together like pb and j. i would assume that this thread would have interested you b/c if we define a good system for sales then you can point out illogical fan boys even easier right!!!ps3 fan boy says dmc 4 sold better on his system while xbox fan boy says otherwise. well if we can elimate vgchartz and get a real system to determine sales then that makes your job easier right??? i mean you say that pwnage doesn't mean anything but you want to come hear and PWN the illogical nature of fanboys right??? that is what you just said. so are looking to pwn something whether you own all consoles or not. so prove to me that your logic is better than other fanboys and answer my original question

thank you for sparing your time to do that. to be honest you can do this for the rest of your life and you wouldn't be done. illogical and system wars go together like pb and j. i would assume that this thread would have interested you b/c if we define a good system for sales then you can point out illogical fan boys even easier right!!!ps3 fan boy says dmc 4 sold better on his system while xbox fan boy says otherwise. well if we can elimate vgchartz and get a real system to determine sales then that makes your job easier right??? i mean you say that pwnage doesn't mean anything but you want to come hear and PWN the illogical nature of fanboys right??? that is what you just said. so are looking to pwn something whether you own all consoles or not. so prove to me that your logic is better than other fanboys and answer my original question

Kansrite

Thank you for pointing out to me the nature of fanboys and SW. In my almost 10k posts I had not noticed...

I am in the development field in school and I love gaming. I am here to discuss gaming since it is my passion, and to have fun with fanboys along the way. Simple as that.

And as for sales, that is the absolute worst way that any true gamer (IE someone who plays games for fun, as a passion, or just to pass time) to judge a system or software. The Wiggles sell tons of movies. Does that make their films cinematic gems?

And I don't look to "pwn" anyone. If you make an ass of yourself and I point it out, oh well. Its not like I caused anyone to type anything they did not intend to. If anything, I hope to make fanboys think about many of their silly "truths", not really embarrass themselves, although that is not a bad "or else".

thank you for sparing your time to do that. to be honest you can do this for the rest of your life and you wouldn't be done. illogical and system wars go together like pb and j. i would assume that this thread would have interested you b/c if we define a good system for sales then you can point out illogical fan boys even easier right!!!ps3 fan boy says dmc 4 sold better on his system while xbox fan boy says otherwise. well if we can elimate vgchartz and get a real system to determine sales then that makes your job easier right??? i mean you say that pwnage doesn't mean anything but you want to come hear and PWN the illogical nature of fanboys right??? that is what you just said. so are looking to pwn something whether you own all consoles or not. so prove to me that your logic is better than other fanboys and answer my original question

Kansrite

Thank you for pointing out to me the nature of fanboys and SW. In my almost 10k posts I had not noticed...

I am in the software development field in school and I love gaming. I am here to discuss gaming since it is my passion, and to have fun with fanboys along the way. Simple as that.

And as for sales, that is the absolute worst way that any true gamer (IE someone who plays games for fun, as a passion, or just to pass time) could judge a system or software. The Wiggles sell tons of movies. Does that make their films cinematic gems? Saying you love something because it appeals to you, not because it sells well, is much more an endorsement of something.

And I don't look to "pwn" anyone. If you make an ass of yourself and I point it out, oh well. Its not like I caused anyone to type anything they did not intend to. If anything, I hope to make fanboys think about many of their silly "truths", not really embarrass themselves, although that is not a bad "or else".

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

They did not say "Sales not counted" or something like that. They say 0.0 million units sold. That is an inaccuracy of major proportions.

SpruceCaboose

They don't say "sales not counted" when they don't count sales, seriously, that still doesn't make the numbers they post accurate or inaccurate.

Yes, it does. They are claiming to be an accurate guide for the video game industry. Having a major, glaring statistical error about a game makes any other statistical "claim" from them highly suspect, especially any claims that they get "real" data from retailers.

Yeah, except, it isn't a "glaring statistical error", they have never covered pc games, this is well known, they cover console/handhelds.

See, here's cod4 pc:
http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=7608

The front page has no indication of pc sales in any capacity.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

They did not say "Sales not counted" or something like that. They say 0.0 million units sold. That is an inaccuracy of major proportions.

Andrew_Xavier

They don't say "sales not counted" when they don't count sales, seriously, that still doesn't make the numbers they post accurate or inaccurate.

Yes, it does. They are claiming to be an accurate guide for the video game industry. Having a major, glaring statistical error about a game makes any other statistical "claim" from them highly suspect, especially any claims that they get "real" data from retailers.

Ok, I will give you that they have no PC sales data. However, if they were getting numbers from a retailer, don't you think PC games would also have sales, as retailers don't just "leave off" PC games. And PC games are, as the name implies, games, and should also be included in the "video game industry", correct?

Yeah, except, it isn't a "glaring statistical error", they have never covered pc games, this is well known, they cover console/handhelds.

See, here's cod4 pc:
http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=7608

The front page has no indication of pc sales in any capacity.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

They did not say "Sales not counted" or something like that. They say 0.0 million units sold. That is an inaccuracy of major proportions.

Andrew_Xavier

They don't say "sales not counted" when they don't count sales, seriously, that still doesn't make the numbers they post accurate or inaccurate.

Yes, it does. They are claiming to be an accurate guide for the video game industry. Having a major, glaring statistical error about a game makes any other statistical "claim" from them highly suspect, especially any claims that they get "real" data from retailers.

Yeah, except, it isn't a "glaring statistical error", they have never covered pc games, this is well known, they cover console/handhelds.

See, here's cod4 pc:
http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=7608

The front page has no indication of pc sales in any capacity.

Ok, I will give you that they have no PC sales data. However, if they were getting numbers from a retailer, don't you think PC games would also have sales, as retailers don't just "leave off" PC games. And PC games are, as the name implies, games, and should also be included in the "video game industry", correct?

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

They did not say "Sales not counted" or something like that. They say 0.0 million units sold. That is an inaccuracy of major proportions.

SpruceCaboose

They don't say "sales not counted" when they don't count sales, seriously, that still doesn't make the numbers they post accurate or inaccurate.

Yes, it does. They are claiming to be an accurate guide for the video game industry. Having a major, glaring statistical error about a game makes any other statistical "claim" from them highly suspect, especially any claims that they get "real" data from retailers.

Yeah, except, it isn't a "glaring statistical error", they have never covered pc games, this is well known, they cover console/handhelds.

See, here's cod4 pc:
http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=7608

The front page has no indication of pc sales in any capacity.

Ok, I will give you that they have no PC sales data. However, if they were getting numbers from a retailer, don't you think PC games would also have sales, as retailers don't just "leave off" PC games. And PC games are, as the name implies, games, and should also be included in the "video game industry", correct?

Or, they could just be focused on the console/handheld industry as they always have been?

"Wait, what do you mean NPD, the god of all accuracy doesn't report pc game says along side console game sales?"

Or, they could just be focused on the console/handheld industry as they always have been?

"Wait, what do you mean NPD, the god of all accuracy doesn't report pc game says along side console game sales?"

Andrew_Xavier

Now you are putting words into my mouth. Where did I ever say anyone, let alone the NPD was the God of sales data or accuracy? None of them are accurate. They are statistical guesses at best.

[QUOTE="Kansrite"]

thank you for sparing your time to do that. to be honest you can do this for the rest of your life and you wouldn't be done. illogical and system wars go together like pb and j. i would assume that this thread would have interested you b/c if we define a good system for sales then you can point out illogical fan boys even easier right!!!ps3 fan boy says dmc 4 sold better on his system while xbox fan boy says otherwise. well if we can elimate vgchartz and get a real system to determine sales then that makes your job easier right??? i mean you say that pwnage doesn't mean anything but you want to come hear and PWN the illogical nature of fanboys right??? that is what you just said. so are looking to pwn something whether you own all consoles or not. so prove to me that your logic is better than other fanboys and answer my original question

SpruceCaboose

Thank you for pointing out to me the nature of fanboys and SW. In my almost 10k posts I had not noticed...

I am in the software development field in school and I love gaming. I am here to discuss gaming since it is my passion, and to have fun with fanboys along the way. Simple as that.

And as for sales, that is the absolute worst way that any true gamer (IE someone who plays games for fun, as a passion, or just to pass time) could judge a system or software. The Wiggles sell tons of movies. Does that make their films cinematic gems? Saying you love something because it appeals to you, not because it sells well, is much more an endorsement of something.

And I don't look to "pwn" anyone. If you make an ass of yourself and I point it out, oh well. Its not like I caused anyone to type anything they did not intend to. If anything, I hope to make fanboys think about many of their silly "truths", not really embarrass themselves, although that is not a bad "or else".

just because you have 10k posts doesn't make you right or intelligent. a monkey can make that many posts. granted they might not make sense but it could do it! sales are the worst way to judge a game???????? really and you are a student of the industry. well you go and make the best game ever and if it doesn't sell then i am sorry you are out of a job my friend. you must be on the design side and not the business side because sales are really all that matter when it comes to sony, nintendo, or microsoft. if halo sold terribly would halo2 or 3 be as anticpated as they were? or would they be a footnote on gaming history like so many well reviewed games that didn't sell well like Zack and Wiki, Psychonauts, or other titles that were not blockbusters. you can say that you are the TRUE GAMER but that is a high and mighty statement. perhaps you should step down from your soap box and understand how the industry really works. sales matter whether you are TRUE gamer or not. oh yeah and answer my original question as well please.

just because you have 10k posts doesn't make you right or intelligent. a monkey can make that many posts.

granted they might not make sense but it could do it! sales are the worst way to judge a game????????

really and you are a student of the industry. well you go and make the best game ever and if it doesn't sell then i am sorry you are out of a job my friend.

you must be on the design side and not the business side because sales are really all that matter when it comes to sony, nintendo, or microsoft.

if halo sold terribly would halo2 or 3 be as anticpated as they were? or would they be a footnote on gaming history like so many well reviewed games that didn't sell well like Zack and Wiki, Psychonauts, or other titles that were not blockbusters.

you can say that you are the TRUE GAMER but that is a high and mighty statement. perhaps you should step down from your soap box and understand how the industry really works.

sales matter whether you are TRUE gamer or not. oh yeah and answer my original question as well please.

Kansrite

Allow me to break your post into somewhat easier to understand paragraphs so that I can address each one.

I never said having almost 10k posts made me smart or right. I said that having that many allowed me to understand the nature of fanboys in general, and System Wars in particular.

Yes, sales are the worst way to judge a game from a consumer/gamer point of view.

Yes, I am a University Jr with a double major in Comp Sci and Psych, and I hope to work on amazing game AI in the future.

I am going to focus on the design side, but I am also minoring in business, and I am not dumb when it comes to the business side either. Money does matter to MS, Sony, and Ninty. But they are not me, and I do not own stock, so quality of the product matters to me, not how much it sells.

Yes, Halo 2/3 would be as anticipated by its fans who appreciated the game for the game, and not the hype. Psychonauts was a great game. Its poor sales did not change that.

There is nothing "high and mighty" about saying I am a true gamer. It is a simple label with more societal stereotypes attached to that than "prestige" attached to that. I just like to judge games by their quality, and systems by the quality of titles and quantity of good games than by sales.

Sales matter to the companies and their shareholders. I am neither, so quality matters to me.

And what original question?

[QUOTE="Kansrite"]

just because you have 10k posts doesn't make you right or intelligent. a monkey can make that many posts.

granted they might not make sense but it could do it! sales are the worst way to judge a game????????

really and you are a student of the industry. well you go and make the best game ever and if it doesn't sell then i am sorry you are out of a job my friend.

you must be on the design side and not the business side because sales are really all that matter when it comes to sony, nintendo, or microsoft.

if halo sold terribly would halo2 or 3 be as anticpated as they were? or would they be a footnote on gaming history like so many well reviewed games that didn't sell well like Zack and Wiki, Psychonauts, or other titles that were not blockbusters.

you can say that you are the TRUE GAMER but that is a high and mighty statement. perhaps you should step down from your soap box and understand how the industry really works.

sales matter whether you are TRUE gamer or not. oh yeah and answer my original question as well please.

SpruceCaboose

Allow me to break your post into somewhat easier to understand paragraphs so that I can address each one.

I never said having almost 10k posts made me smart or right. I said that having that many allowed me to understand the nature of fanboys in general, and System Wars in particular.

Yes, sales are the worst way to judge a game from a consumer/gamer point of view.

Yes, I am a University Jr with a double major in Comp Sci and Psych, and I hope to work on amazing game AI in the future.

I am going to focus on the design side, but I am also minoring in business, and I am not dumb when it comes to the business side either. Money does matter to MS, Sony, and Ninty. But they are not me, and I do not own stock, so quality of the product matters to me, not how much it sells.

Yes, Halo 2/3 would be as anticipated by its fans who appreciated the game for the game, and not the hype. Psychonauts was a great game. Its poor sales did not change that.

There is nothing "high and mighty" about saying I am a true gamer. It is a simple label with more societal stereotypes attached to that than "prestige" attached to that. I just like to judge games by their quality, and systems by the quality of titles and quantity of good games than by sales.

Sales matter to the companies and their shareholders. I am neither, so quality matters to me.

And what original question?

If by original question you mean "if VGChartz is accurate or not", you showed what you were looking for quite clearlyearly in the thread.

You were not looking for discussion or debate. You were looking for people to agree with your already made up mind, as easily evidenced by your easy acceptance of people agreeing with your position and your refutation of those who disagreed with your pre-formed opinions.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Kansrite"]

just because you have 10k posts doesn't make you right or intelligent. a monkey can make that many posts.

granted they might not make sense but it could do it! sales are the worst way to judge a game????????

really and you are a student of the industry. well you go and make the best game ever and if it doesn't sell then i am sorry you are out of a job my friend.

you must be on the design side and not the business side because sales are really all that matter when it comes to sony, nintendo, or microsoft.

if halo sold terribly would halo2 or 3 be as anticpated as they were? or would they be a footnote on gaming history like so many well reviewed games that didn't sell well like Zack and Wiki, Psychonauts, or other titles that were not blockbusters.

you can say that you are the TRUE GAMER but that is a high and mighty statement. perhaps you should step down from your soap box and understand how the industry really works.

sales matter whether you are TRUE gamer or not. oh yeah and answer my original question as well please.

Kansrite

Allow me to break your post into somewhat easier to understand paragraphs so that I can address each one.

I never said having almost 10k posts made me smart or right. I said that having that many allowed me to understand the nature of fanboys in general, and System Wars in particular.

Yes, sales are the worst way to judge a game from a consumer/gamer point of view.

Yes, I am a University Jr with a double major in Comp Sci and Psych, and I hope to work on amazing game AI in the future.

I am going to focus on the design side, but I am also minoring in business, and I am not dumb when it comes to the business side either. Money does matter to MS, Sony, and Ninty. But they are not me, and I do not own stock, so quality of the product matters to me, not how much it sells.

Yes, Halo 2/3 would be as anticipated by its fans who appreciated the game for the game, and not the hype. Psychonauts was a great game. Its poor sales did not change that.

There is nothing "high and mighty" about saying I am a true gamer. It is a simple label with more societal stereotypes attached to that than "prestige" attached to that. I just like to judge games by their quality, and systems by the quality of titles and quantity of good games than by sales.

Sales matter to the companies and their shareholders. I am neither, so quality matters to me.

And what original question?

To answer, I don't feel that NPD or VGChartz is accurate enough for what the members of this, and many other boards, try to use it for.

They treat it like a Bible, when it is much more like a loose manuscript. Its got its heart in the right place, and it tries to get it right, but its lacking the complete substance that would be required in a scripture, so to speak.

Because this shows how "accurate" they are. But of course, VGchartz gets all their data from a pool of retailers too, right?XaosII

VGChartz doesn't track PC game sales, for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Couth_"]

I could be wrong but as far as I know they don't use any real data.

They speculate, study the market, and history. Say a big game is coming out for a system, they take that into account. They take alot of information and make an educated guess at sales. But it's all a guess, and supposedly when REAL numbers come out they are often way off.

So they make educated guesses, but no better than some people on here could. And they are not backed up

Couth_

So does NPD, and NPD is regarded as "god" here. The amount of data they go through to make such "educated guesses" far exceeds that which "some people on here" have access to.

Also note NPD only covers the U.S. And is a credible company, not just in System Wars. VGChartz numbers attempt to cover the entire planet

And you know NPD uses retailer information, and vgcharts does now, how exactly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPD_Group

http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextpage=corp_welcome.html

Dude NPD is a REAL, RESPECTED company. THE leading global market research company for the U.S. They research pparel, appliances, automotive, beauty, consumer electronics, food and beverage, foodservice, footwear, home improvement, housewares, imaging, information technology, movies, music, software, toys, video games and wireless.

VGChartz is nothing compared to NPD, they use sample sizes. And only cover video games, for fanboys who want to know the sales http://www.vgchartz.com/welcome.php

"VG Chartz should be seen as a very powerful prediction tool for industry and casual user alike in looking ahead to the future market and making educated and informed predictions."

"THE leading global market research company for the U.S.".
Ehm. :P

It goes from hated to loved to hated depending on whether or not it serves the person's purpose. I've often seen the same people who scream about it being fake, using it in a point later.

Honestly, I've never seen a single thing to show it fake, therefore, I consider it to be accurate.

Andrew_Xavier

Look at their monthly numbers just before NPD comes and then after when they are corrected. They are often off by as much as 100%. They are not to be used for current sales. Their NA and Japan numbers are only as accurate up to the latest NPD and Media Create numbers and their europe sales are only accurate after the quartely sales reports.

here is a thead that sums it up and shows how inaccurate VGChartz can be. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26139496&page=1

This is why its laughed at over 50% off every console number and 300% off wii fit numbers

here is a thead that sums it up and shows how inaccurate VGChartz can be. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26139496&page=1

This is why its laughed at over 50% off every console number and 300% off wii fit numbers

it corrects itself when the real Japanese and NPD numbers come out. Its weekly numbers are nothing short of a joke

[QUOTE="Kansrite"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I "hate" it (more like couldn't care, but love hate are the words used in this thead) because in my view, sales are largely irrelevant.SpruceCaboose

really they are but when it comes to "PWNAGE" sales mean something.

And I am supposed to feel like "pwnage" means something?

I am a gamer, not a fanboy. I play games for fun and enjoyment, not to "prove" to someone else that "their" console is worse than "mine".

Well said, my friend. This needs to be etched in stone and placed on display for all that come here to read and ponder on, lol.