Vista could potentially ruin PC gaming... it's so bad.

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Now, as some of you may know, I love my PC games.

That's why I'm pissed at just how unimaginably stupid Microsoft was with vista.

Now, XP had it's share of problems when it came out, any OS does, but Vista is (at least as far back as I can remember into PC history) the absolute worst Operating System ever released.

It's not finished.

You know those programs you like? 99% chance they aren't compatable.

The Mac commercials weren't joking. Play around with setting all you like, you're getting an average of 17,600 prompts every minute. Cancel or Allow my foot up your $%^ Bill Gates?

This puts us at a problem: Many people just won't buy Vista, and since sooner or later they're gonna stop making games for XP and make them Vista only, it could put a hurtin on PC gaming.

Now, none of this is for sure, and I sure hope that M$ get's off their butts and fixes their broken OS, because I want to be able to play games on my PC in a couple years.

Hands held high in a world of tears I slowly drown.

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#2 SgtSilock
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Mac rules! This is excatly why i have switched.... i just play on my console now :)
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#3 mazdaspeed-rx8
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nah Windows ME was the worst, but i do agree that Vista is the new Windows ME.
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My Vista runs everything , I get reasonable frame rates in DX10 games now thanks to the latest Nivida Beta drives (+ Digital Vibrance :D) ....

2 GB RAM does the job fine in anything, theres like a 5-10 FPS difference in STALKER at max.

Sorry, I think your jsut jumping on the sheepish "Vista sucks" train.

Much better than XP , I'm never going back to it.

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#5 trix5817
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It's not really Vista it's the hardware companies that need to come out with better support for it.
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#6 FrozenLiquid
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Turn of User Active Control, that's what your problem is.

And Vista will get better eventually.

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#7 Spartan070
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Mac rules! This is excatly why i have switched.... i just play on my console now :)Phantsy16

I use my PC for gaming and ironically SW:P I use my Macbook for pretty much everything else.

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#8 Sacred-Snow
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Well, those Mac commercials are **** and Mac's suck, but Vista for gaming is a problem. Last night I started the download of the World in Conflict beta. At four in the morning or whenever it finished, the prompt came up asking 'allow this program?' but I wasn't there to choose allow. So after that long damn download, Vista just sent it packing and I have to restart, and it might not even work. But my Starcraft works just fine so thats good.
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#9 Spartan070
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Cancel or Allow my foot up your $%^ Bill Gates?

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:lol: Awesome.
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[QUOTE="Big_Red_Button"]

Cancel or Allow my foot up your $%^ Bill Gates?

Spartan070

:lol: Awesome.

Allow

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#11 Daytona_178
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nah, eventually everyone will have vista instead on xp!
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I have been using XP for a while and now it finally runs smoothly on my laptop, I am not getting Vista because of all the flaws. I have used it at school for one of my classes and man it sucks noodles, even the Home Premium does not run well on 512 MB's of RAM, same with XP though which people claim can run on 256 MB's but I have tried and it runs slower then a fat man being chased by a tiger. While Vista has potential, the hardware and software compatibility is terrible and all the promting crap just pisses me off. If they got rid of all the prompts or if you could disable them then I would not complain.
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Well, those Mac commercials are **** and Mac's suck..Sacred-Snow
:? Good argument. I love the, "Macs suck" argument.

My Vista runs everything , I get reasonable frame rates in DX10 games now thanks to the latest Nivida Beta drives (+ Digital Vibrance :D) ....

2 GB RAM does the job fine in anything, theres like a 5-10 FPS difference in STALKER at max.

Sorry, I think your jsut jumping on the sheepish "Vista sucks" train.

Much better than XP , I'm never going back to it.

Meu2k7
I don't think it's sheepish to critisize an operating system. Vista is very disappointing. Everything that was supposed to make it revolutionary never made it into the final built. I do not feel it is a better choice than XP (at this time). But to the fellow who said ME was worse- you're right.
Mac rules! This is excatly why i have switched.... i just play on my console now :)Phantsy16
Good for you :)
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I have been using XP for a while and now it finally runs smoothly on my laptop, I am not getting Vista because of all the flaws. I have used it at school for one of my classes and man it sucks noodles, even the Home Premium does not run well on 512 MB's of RAM, same with XP though which people claim can run on 256 MB's but I have tried and it runs slower then a fat man being chased by a tiger. While Vista has potential, the hardware and software compatibility is terrible and all the promting crap just pisses me off. If they got rid of all the prompts or if you could disable them then I would not complain.DSgamer64

Prompts , I'm sure thats jsut somethng the school administration has done ... and running it on 512 isnt really a good way to judge Vista.

People ... Vista ... on gaming rigs, run perfectly fine.

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#15 sakuragi007
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Vista will never kill pc gaming, it's more like PC gaming will kill vista.
Anywaymostproblemspeoplehavewithvistaisduetofaultydriversor
userincompetence.

It'sprettysimpleifmostgamersstaywithxpthendeveloperswillreleasealltheirgamesforxp.

Infactthatiswhatishappeningrightnow,theonlygamesreleasedforvistaonlyarefromMicrosoft

gamedevelopers.

Andallthatcrapaboutdirectx10,justtellmehowmanygamesaredesignedfromthegroundfordirectx10 ,
yeahIthoughtso.

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Now, as some of you may know, I love my PC games.

That's why I'm pissed at just how unimaginably stupid Microsoft was with vista.

Now, XP had it's share of problems when it came out, any OS does, but Vista is (at least as far back as I can remember into PC history) the absolute worst Operating System ever released.

It's not finished.

You know those programs you like? 99% chance they aren't compatable.

The Mac commercials weren't joking. Play around with setting all you like, you're getting an average of 17,600 prompts every minute. Cancel or Allow my foot up your $%^ Bill Gates?

This puts us at a problem: Many people just won't buy Vista, and since sooner or later they're gonna stop making games for XP and make them Vista only, it could put a hurtin on PC gaming.

Now, none of this is for sure, and I sure hope that M$ get's off their butts and fixes their broken OS, because I want to be able to play games on my PC in a couple years.

Hands held high in a world of tears I slowly drown.

Big_Red_Button

You do know that you can disable the UAC so you don't get those prompts right? Just go into the user account settings. I don't know why anyone would keep that on, it is rather annoying.

Also, there is a possible beta SP1 coming for Vista, this will hopefully address some of the bugs.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=559

As far as what MS had to do about security in Vista, I dont think they had much of a choice on the matter. Without SP2, XP is a OS open for infection from various means, there are so many security holes in it.

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You do know that you can disable the UAC so you don't get those prompts right? Just go into the user account settings. I don't know why anyone would keep that on, it is rather annoying.

kazrium
http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov :lol: I had to. Because it's funny to me. By the way, believing that everybody will eventually switch to Vista isn't totally wise. Not everyone has switched to XP yet!
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*fan of Marathon series*musicalmac

Hey man, you may be happy to hear about this:D

My thread announcing Durandal coming to XBLA(with amazing new fully 3D pics!!!) :o

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]*fan of Marathon series*Spartan070

Hey man, you may be happy to hear about this:D

My thread announcing Durandal coming to XBLA(with amazing new fully 3D pics!!!) :o

As crazy as this is gunna sound- that small clip in the video montage at the MS conference was easily my most exciting E3 moment!! Yes, I've beaten it on my computer a few times, and yes I've played all the mods and made my own! But, now I can find a bigger community to play it online with!! Co-op for the win!!!!! Seriously. I can't wait. :) Thanks for the thought, my friend!
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i'm planning to avoid vista as long as possible. :)
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[QUOTE="kazrium"]

You do know that you can disable the UAC so you don't get those prompts right? Just go into the user account settings. I don't know why anyone would keep that on, it is rather annoying.

musicalmac

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov :lol: I had to. Because it's funny to me. By the way, believing that everybody will eventually switch to Vista isn't totally wise. Not everyone has switched to XP yet!

Lol, I love that commerical, and the reason why it is so funny is because it's true.

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#22 Vandalvideo
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I still haven't switched to Vista, but only because I'm lazy. Anyone in college can get a 80% discount on it from organizations like Journeyed.
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I have been using XP for a while and now it finally runs smoothly on my laptop, I am not getting Vista because of all the flaws. I have used it at school for one of my classes and man it sucks noodles, even the Home Premium does not run well on 512 MB's of RAM, same with XP though which people claim can run on 256 MB's but I have tried and it runs slower then a fat man being chased by a tiger. While Vista has potential, the hardware and software compatibility is terrible and all the promting crap just pisses me off. If they got rid of all the prompts or if you could disable them then I would not complain.DSgamer64
Umm,you can turn it off.....
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#24 AnimeHendrix
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Ubuntu 7.04 Server

Slackware

Arch

GNU/Linux in all it's many distrubutions is the best operating system I've used thus far. Vista is icky and Mac OS X, although aestheticly pleasing, is too closed off and felt like I was using a Fischer Price PC IMO. Besides, you can get all that pizazz in GNU/Linux if you know what you're doing.

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#25 MadExponent
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What the hell are you talking about? Vista works wonderfully. I have built like 3 high end gaming machines with Vista Ultimate x64 on them and not a single machine under performs or has any issues at all. They perform on par and even beat Windows XP sometimes. The only thing that might kill PC gaming are people who don't know how to install and use Vista spouting off all kinds of BS on forums like this.
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#26 Deihmos
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I suggest you at least learn how to use computers. I have been using the OS for a while now with no problems.If a driver is not up to par it has nothing to do with the operating system so learn to separate the two. Right now the nvidia drivers are up to par with XP so there isn't any loss that is noticeable.
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With my PC, I get a free upgrade to Vista. I have XP right now that I play games on. it works just fine. When I get the Vista upgrade, I won't download it into my PC until all the bugs are fixed. As for the Macs>Windows thing, the only thing that PC is better than a Mac is for gaming.
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With my PC, I get a free upgrade to Vista. I have XP right now that I play games on. it works just fine. When I get the Vista upgrade, I won't download it into my PC until all the bugs are fixed. As for the Macs>Windows thing, the only thing that PC is better than a Mac is for gaming.blizzvalve
Hey now, I can do my video editing, soundboard drafting, photography editing, and everything else just fine if not better with third party software on the PC.
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[QUOTE="blizzvalve"]With my PC, I get a free upgrade to Vista. I have XP right now that I play games on. it works just fine. When I get the Vista upgrade, I won't download it into my PC until all the bugs are fixed. As for the Macs>Windows thing, the only thing that PC is better than a Mac is for gaming.Vandalvideo
Hey now, I can do my video editing, soundboard drafting, photography editing, and everything else just fine if not better with third party software on the PC.

But our first party software for all that is quite powerful... and free ;)
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blizzvalve"]With my PC, I get a free upgrade to Vista. I have XP right now that I play games on. it works just fine. When I get the Vista upgrade, I won't download it into my PC until all the bugs are fixed. As for the Macs>Windows thing, the only thing that PC is better than a Mac is for gaming.musicalmac
Hey now, I can do my video editing, soundboard drafting, photography editing, and everything else just fine if not better with third party software on the PC.

But our first party software for all that is quite powerful... and free ;)

Dont you also get itunes for free with Macs?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blizzvalve"]With my PC, I get a free upgrade to Vista. I have XP right now that I play games on. it works just fine. When I get the Vista upgrade, I won't download it into my PC until all the bugs are fixed. As for the Macs>Windows thing, the only thing that PC is better than a Mac is for gaming.musicalmac
Hey now, I can do my video editing, soundboard drafting, photography editing, and everything else just fine if not better with third party software on the PC.

But our first party software for all that is quite powerful... and free ;)

The best things in life cost money.
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Dont you also get itunes for free with Macs?

blizzvalve
Yes, it ships with iTunes. But that's free anyway.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] The best things in life cost money.

Actually, the quote is, "The best things in life are free." And it's true.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] The best things in life cost money.musicalmac
Actually, the quote is, "The best things in life are free." And it's true.

Macs aren't free though...

:|

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i'm planning to avoid vista as long as possible. :)CaseyWegner

I'm right with you.

My bro just bought this.

Click here.

50+ processes running in the background. I managed to get it down to about 40. Any more then the system seems not to work properly.

I upgraded his RAM too. So he has 2 GB. Still takes 6 to7 mins to fully boot into Vista (when you are in Vista it takes 5 to 6 mins just for all the processes to load).

XP is no doubt the best OS they made. I really wish they would have updated it. Instead of making a whole new OS that is a step back.

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] The best things in life cost money.AnimeHendrix

Actually, the quote is, "The best things in life are free." And it's true.

Macs aren't free though...

:|

Neither are PC's ;) Your point?
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People!!!! Remember all the problems with XP before Service Pack 2? Remember how much better XP got after SP #2? I'm holding off on Vista until Microsoft fixes it. I'm guessing another year or so. Seriously though. Expect the same situation that went down with XP.
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#38 AnimeHendrix
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[QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] The best things in life cost money.musicalmac

Actually, the quote is, "The best things in life are free." And it's true.

Macs aren't free though...

:|

Neither are PC's ;) Your point?

My point is your point is invalid. You're paying for the software with Macs, it's just included with what your buying.

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] The best things in life cost money.

Actually, the quote is, "The best things in life are free." And it's true.

Thats debateable. Would you rather have this for free: http://www.johnnyamerica.net/archives/hillcrest_lunch.jpg Or pay for this: http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/mar04/daves_food_031204_big.jpg
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My point is your point is invalid. You're paying for the software with Macs, it's just included with what your buying.

AnimeHendrix
Ok... :| So you don't think getting a lot of software standard on the machine is good? It's like going to a Tapas bar- buy a drink for a few extra pennies, but get a plate full of free food. Trust me on this one, that's the way to go. My point is totally valid.
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] The best things in life cost money.Vandalvideo
Actually, the quote is, "The best things in life are free." And it's true.

Thats debateable. Would you rather have this for free: http://www.johnnyamerica.net/archives/hillcrest_lunch.jpg Or pay for this: http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/mar04/daves_food_031204_big.jpg

That depends on how good the food is.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] The best things in life cost money.

Actually, the quote is, "The best things in life are free." And it's true.

Thats debateable. Would you rather have this for free: http://www.johnnyamerica.net/archives/hillcrest_lunch.jpg Or pay for this: http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/mar04/daves_food_031204_big.jpg

I understand what you're saying. But money does not bring happiness. This is truer than true.
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#43 AnimeHendrix
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[QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]

My point is your point is invalid. You're paying for the software with Macs, it's just included with what your buying.

musicalmac

Ok... :| So you don't think getting a lot of software standard on the machine is good? It's like going to a Tapas bar- buy a drink for a few extra pennies, but get a plate full of free food. Trust me on this one, that's the way to go. My point is totally valid.

If you wanted truly free software with stability and eye candy, why not go with open-source?

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I have had Vista for about 5 months now and haven't had any problems running my games. Oh and XP was a mess when it first came out. A hell of a lot worse than Vista.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]i'm planning to avoid vista as long as possible. :)Truth_Hurts_U

I'm right with you.

My bro just bought this.

Click here.

50+ processes running in the background. I managed to get it down to about 40. Any more then the system seems not to work properly.

I upgraded his RAM too. So he has 2 GB. Still takes 6 to7 mins to fully boot into Vista (when you are in Vista it takes 5 to 6 mins just for all the processes to load).

XP is no doubt the best OS they made. I really wish they would have updated it. Instead of making a whole new OS that is a step back.

6 to 7 minutes!? What does he have starting up?

Also, does he have Norton or McAfee on the computer?

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#46 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]

My point is your point is invalid. You're paying for the software with Macs, it's just included with what your buying.

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Ok... :| So you don't think getting a lot of software standard on the machine is good? It's like going to a Tapas bar- buy a drink for a few extra pennies, but get a plate full of free food. Trust me on this one, that's the way to go. My point is totally valid.

If you wanted truly free software with stability and eye candy, why not go with open-source?

Because I wanted stability and ease of use. It's tough to beat Unix and Mac OS X on those fronts. Seriously, I just recently had a debate with someone about the usefulness of open source software. It has its' place. But is it superior to Mac OS X? Negative, Ghost Rider. I know you can make Linux look pretty fancy (I have experience with it, quite a bit, actually). However, I chose to go with the most stable, reliable, and data-friendly OS I know of- Mac OS X. FTY, I'm an OpenOffice and GIMP user ;)
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#47 Truth_Hurts_U
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6 to 7 minutes!? What does he have starting up?

Also, does he have Norton or McAfee on the computer?

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Only bloat wear that was on his system was Norton and DVD software. I took them both off and that took about 10 processes off and saved over 100 MB of RAM.

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#48 Stonin
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[QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]

My point is your point is invalid. You're paying for the software with Macs, it's just included with what your buying.

musicalmac

Ok... :| So you don't think getting a lot of software standard on the machine is good? It's like going to a Tapas bar- buy a drink for a few extra pennies, but get a plate full of free food. Trust me on this one, that's the way to go. My point is totally valid.

Mac's cost waaaaaaaaay more than PC's of the equivalent spec. That software isn't free, it is just added to the cost at retail.

Oh, and of course you pay for the err fancy case and lack of upgradability :P.

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I tried my mom's brand new 07 laptop that has window vista (home) and when i compared to my 2004 XP (home) and it seriously is absolutly no better than Windows XP. It just looks different and has different sounds. Whats so great about it? Oh wait. Nothing...

Make something that is an actual improvement Microsoft.

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#50 Truth_Hurts_U
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I tried my mom's brand new 07 laptop that has window vista (home) and when i compared to my 2004 XP (home) and it seriously is absolutly no better than Windows XP. It just looks different and has different sounds. Whats so great about it? Oh wait. Nothing...

Make something that is an actual improvement Microsoft.

Cedmln

LoL what the heck... My bro just got a 2007 laptop with 2 GB's of RAM (Vista Home prem)and he has an old 2003 PC (XP sp2)with 1.5 GB's of RAM and it runs better then his laptop.