Vista's pretty graphics VS Linux's Beryl

I refuse to upgrade to Vista because... well, you all know.

Now, on all PC's and Laptops I currently own, I have a dual boot between Ubuntu Linux and Windows XP.  I love Ubuntu's structure and secure feeling and other things I can ramble on about and I love the games XP has.

Then I stumbled apon this neat little plugin for Linux called Beryl.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7QraljRfM

Watch the video for yourself and you'll see what Beryl does.

How does stand up to Vista? 

ubuntu owns vista

too bad vista is monopolized 

What game can I play on Ubuntu?Bebi_vegeta

Wine

Last time i tryed to run Ubuntu... it wouldnt accept my 8800GTX.Bebi_vegeta

What do you mean by "wouldn't accept"?  What were you doing?  What PC structure was it (x86, AMD64, PPC)? 

What game can I play on Ubuntu?Bebi_vegeta

TC ownage. i hate windows but agreed. 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]What game can I play on Ubuntu?SDog624

TC ownage. i hate windows but agreed.

http://www.winehq.org/

owned? 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]What game can I play on Ubuntu?SDog624

TC ownage. i hate windows but agreed.

Woah woah woah

First: I wasn't comparing the games XP has to Linux, XP wins hands down.  Though Wine is a worthy opponent for playing games on Linux.

Second: This topic doesn't about the games the systems have, it's about the pretty graphics they have... lol 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Last time i tryed to run Ubuntu... it wouldnt accept my 8800GTX.Vax45

What do you mean by "wouldn't accept"? What were you doing? What PC structure was it (x86, AMD64, PPC)?

Meaning it said something error graphic interface... i have a intel core 2 duo. Tried it with another computer that had a 7800GTX and it worked 

[QUOTE="Vax45"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Last time i tryed to run Ubuntu... it wouldnt accept my 8800GTX.Bebi_vegeta

What do you mean by "wouldn't accept"? What were you doing? What PC structure was it (x86, AMD64, PPC)?

Meaning it said something error graphic interface... i have a intel core 2 duo. Tried it with another computer that had a 7800GTX and it worked

Were you trying to install Ubuntu? 

[QUOTE="SDog624"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]What game can I play on Ubuntu?Vax45

TC ownage. i hate windows but agreed.

Woah woah woah

First: I wasn't comparing the games XP has to Linux, XP wins hands down. Though Wine is a worthy opponent for playing games on Linux.

Second: This topic doesn't about the games the systems have, it's about the pretty graphics they have... lol

Will wine be Dx10 compatible? 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Vax45"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Last time i tryed to run Ubuntu... it wouldnt accept my 8800GTX.Vax45

What do you mean by "wouldn't accept"? What were you doing? What PC structure was it (x86, AMD64, PPC)?

Meaning it said something error graphic interface... i have a intel core 2 duo. Tried it with another computer that had a 7800GTX and it worked

Were you trying to install Ubuntu?

Yes i was... I was trying to do a dual boot, and it didnt like my video card hardware... i guess it was too new. 

[QUOTE="Vax45"][QUOTE="SDog624"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]What game can I play on Ubuntu?Bebi_vegeta

TC ownage. i hate windows but agreed.

Woah woah woah

First: I wasn't comparing the games XP has to Linux, XP wins hands down. Though Wine is a worthy opponent for playing games on Linux.

Second: This topic doesn't about the games the systems have, it's about the pretty graphics they have... lol

Will wine be Dx10 compatible?

Wine uses Microsoft's DLL files that use DX and wrap them to OpenGL.  They've done DX9, I don't see why they can't bind DX10. 

[QUOTE="Vax45"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Vax45"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Last time i tryed to run Ubuntu... it wouldnt accept my 8800GTX.Bebi_vegeta

What do you mean by "wouldn't accept"? What were you doing? What PC structure was it (x86, AMD64, PPC)?

Meaning it said something error graphic interface... i have a intel core 2 duo. Tried it with another computer that had a 7800GTX and it worked

Were you trying to install Ubuntu?

Yes i was... I was trying to do a dual boot, and it didnt like my video card hardware... i guess it was too new.

Put in the live CD and when it boots up, press F6. You should be prompted with a text screen. Add this line at the end -

noapic nolapic pci=noacpi acpi=off

See if that works.

I haven't done this myself, just pulling this off a page I Google'd. 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Vax45"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Vax45"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Last time i tryed to run Ubuntu... it wouldnt accept my 8800GTX.Vax45

What do you mean by "wouldn't accept"? What were you doing? What PC structure was it (x86, AMD64, PPC)?

Meaning it said something error graphic interface... i have a intel core 2 duo. Tried it with another computer that had a 7800GTX and it worked

Were you trying to install Ubuntu?

Yes i was... I was trying to do a dual boot, and it didnt like my video card hardware... i guess it was too new.

Put in the live CD and when it boots up, press F6. You should be prompted with a text screen. Add this line at the end -

noapic nolapic pci=noacpi acpi=off

See if that works.

I think this is why Linux fails... it's not simple enough for the average home user. Most people have no idea, graphic interface, commande interface. 

I think this is why Linux fails... it's not simple enough for the average home user. Most people have no idea, graphic interface, commande interface.

Bebi_vegeta

I don't think Linux ever was intentionally meant for home use when Linus created the kernel.

I can't stand open-source, in general. I've found countless times that professional work is always more intuitive, more well-designed, more stable, and generally better than something a smart but eccentric guy builds. With a professional, they have to do it your way or you don't get it. If someone's making something for free, you're at their mercy.

Basic economic theory, chaps. 

can i install it to my ps3Pelon208

Probably not. Linux on PS3 can't access the RSX graphics card. 

I can't stand open-source, in general. I've found countless times that professional work is always more intuitive, more well-designed, more stable, and generally better than something a smart but eccentric guy builds. With a professional, they have to do it your way or you don't get it. If someone's making something for free, you're at their mercy.mutenpika

Unfortunately, Microsoft wouldn't have **** to leech off of if it weren't for the open source community *cough APACHE SERVER *cough

[QUOTE="Pelon208"]can i install it to my ps3mutenpika

Probably not. Linux on PS3 can't access the RSX graphics card. 

what a shame it will be a great think don't you think soo??

I can't stand open-source, in general. I've found countless times that professional work is always more intuitive, more well-designed, more stable, and generally better than something a smart but eccentric guy builds. With a professional, they have to do it your way or you don't get it. If someone's making something for free, you're at their mercy.

Basic economic theory, chaps.

mutenpika

What differentiates a professional from, say, an amateur? Is it skill? If so, then there are plenty of "professionals" who work on open-source projects and create some very popular and reliable, intuitive, and well designed software. Such software being Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, OpenBSD, and, of course, Linux.

I've found countless times that an open-source program was better than one developed by a "professional." With open-source, the community works on the project, and the community knows what the community wants. They often develop for a niche, and therefore can spend their resources working on single things, refining and tweaking them as best they can. They also don't have to rush a product out to meet a deadline and they don't have a budget. Working in a professional environment, one is likely required to do things a certain way and finish something by a certain time while keeping within the specified budget. Excellent products can come out of professional environments, but these products can be expensive for both the consumer and the creator as there are often large, dedicated teams working on the project.

This is one of the downsides to open-source: there usually isn't a dedicated staff working on a product several hours a day. However, there are also plenty of upsides, one of the major ones being that all open-source software is free.

Open-source software should not be dismissed as just projects made by a couple of guys. Some of these projects can become very large and can evolve into an extremely powerful and useful piece of software. Linux is a very good example of this. All of Google's 450,000+ computers in their server farm are running on a flavor of Linux.

[QUOTE="mutenpika"]

I can't stand open-source, in general. I've found countless times that professional work is always more intuitive, more well-designed, more stable, and generally better than something a smart but eccentric guy builds. With a professional, they have to do it your way or you don't get it. If someone's making something for free, you're at their mercy.

Basic economic theory, chaps.

Einhanderkiller

What differentiates a professional from, say, an amateur? Is it skill? If so, then there are plenty of "professionals" who work on open-source projects and create some very popular and reliable software such as Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, OpenBSD, and, of course, Linux.

Firefox... is it windows or, firefox is using 80megs of my rams. 

I refuse to upgrade to Vista because... well, you all know.

Now, on all PC's and Laptops I currently own, I have a dual boot between Ubuntu Linux and Windows XP. I love Ubuntu's structure and secure feeling and other things I can ramble on about and I love the games XP has.

Then I stumbled apon this neat little plugin for Linux called Beryl.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7QraljRfM

Watch the video for yourself and you'll see what Beryl does.

How does stand up to Vista?

Vax45

Vista owned. 

I can't stand open-source, in general. I've found countless times that professional work is always more intuitive, more well-designed, more stable, and generally better than something a smart but eccentric guy builds. With a professional, they have to do it your way or you don't get it. If someone's making something for free, you're at their mercy.

Basic economic theory, chaps.

mutenpika

Windows Vista argues very well against that theory. 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Last time i tryed to run Ubuntu... it wouldnt accept my 8800GTX.Vax45

What do you mean by "wouldn't accept"?  What were you doing?  What PC structure was it (x86, AMD64, PPC)? 

no matter what version of ubuntu I try it doesn't get past the initial loading and then comes up with errors, I have tried x86 and 64 bit and both don't work, linux is more bother than its worth, put windows in and it goes unlike linux

I can't stand open-source, in general. I've found countless times that professional work is always more intuitive, more well-designed, more stable, and generally better than something a smart but eccentric guy builds. With a professional, they have to do it your way or you don't get it. If someone's making something for free, you're at their mercy.

Basic economic theory, chaps.

mutenpika

I hope you're not using firefox... 

Firefox is one thing that is provably more stable, better designed, more intuitive, and generally better than the "professional" alternative, Internet Explorer. Less popups, less unnecessary crap getting through, better features.

Windows is inclined to agree, seeing as perhaps a few weeks after I got Firefox I noticed that I.E. had an update that added many Firefox browsing features, such as tabbed pages.

I've never tried Linux and can't comment on it but I hear it offers better performance, for one thing. This is provable when compared to Vista, which requires more RAM than XP just to function. 

Firefox is one thing that is provably more stable, better designed, more intuitive, and generally better than the "professional" alternative, Internet Explorer. Less popups, less unnecessary crap getting through, better features.

Windows is inclined to agree, seeing as perhaps a few weeks after I got Firefox I noticed that I.E. had an update that added many Firefox browsing features, such as tabbed pages.

I've never tried Linux and can't comment on it but I hear it offers better performance, for one thing. This is provable when compared to Vista, which requires more RAM than XP just to function. 

Redfingers

What game can I play on Ubuntu?Bebi_vegeta

Guild Wars, WoW, Diablo 1 & 2, Starcraft, Conquer Online and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Unless your PC is your primary gaming platform Linux is perfectly sufficient for gaming.

P.S. Beryl is indeed awesome and it actually has some practical applications unlike Aero in Vista, but Compiz is much the same and a more stable offering at this point.

[QUOTE="Einhanderkiller"][QUOTE="mutenpika"]

I can't stand open-source, in general. I've found countless times that professional work is always more intuitive, more well-designed, more stable, and generally better than something a smart but eccentric guy builds. With a professional, they have to do it your way or you don't get it. If someone's making something for free, you're at their mercy.

Basic economic theory, chaps.

Bebi_vegeta

What differentiates a professional from, say, an amateur? Is it skill? If so, then there are plenty of "professionals" who work on open-source projects and create some very popular and reliable software such as Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, OpenBSD, and, of course, Linux.

Firefox... is it windows or, firefox is using 80megs of my rams.

type "about:config" in the adress bar.

search for "browser.cache.memory.capacity" and set the value to whatever ammount of ram you think is acceptable.

[QUOTE="mutenpika"]

I can't stand open-source, in general. I've found countless times that professional work is always more intuitive, more well-designed, more stable, and generally better than something a smart but eccentric guy builds. With a professional, they have to do it your way or you don't get it. If someone's making something for free, you're at their mercy.

Basic economic theory, chaps.

ssbfalco

I hope you're not using firefox...

I am. I'm also currently in the process of switching to IE7 which is actually more fully-featured than Firefox 2 is at the moment. The reason being that I can't stand the random acts of crashing and memory leak anymore. Why so much memory leak?

I'm thankful Firefox is around, though. It made IE have to be competitive again. Free-market capitalistic theory breaks down in a monopoly, which is why I'm PRAYING that either Linux or Mac OSX becomes a competitive market force. If that happens soon, Vista SP1 will remid us all why we thought Microsoft was so great in the old days.

An open-source solution depends solely on altruistic dedication. I'm a realist, and I can't trust in that. I need someone whose next paycheck depends on my satisfaction. There's a lot of people like that out there: professional software engineers who know what they're doing, majored and earned a master's degree (or better) in their expertise, people who know that they HAVE to get something to excel, not just to compile.

If free software becomes competitive, professional software will become better. It must. The laws of economics garuntee it. Should professional software die, there will be no standard for effort, no competitiveness, and the entire software market will descend into a cesspool of esoteric and buggy programs. "Computing for everyone" will die. We'll be back in the days where everyone has to learn the machine code for their processor.

Finally, would you go to Yahoo answers for financial, legal, or medical advice? 

Why don't you just use Amiga OS. :lol:

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]What game can I play on Ubuntu?Vax45

Wine

What games can you reliably play on Wine? IMO games are already buggy enough to have to deal with emulation issues. 

Will wine be Dx10 compatible?

Bebi_vegeta

Once the appropriate updates are made to the Wine libraries.

Firefox... is it windows or, firefox is using 80megs of my rams.

Bebi_vegeta

The RAM usage in Firefox as in IE7 increases with additional tabs and add-ons there are a few remaining memory leaks (some add-ons such as Forecastfox have their own). However, those leaks are minor by now and it is still overall a more streamlined browser that is acknowledged as better than IE7 by everyplace I'm aware of that has compared them:

Cnet Prizefight:IE7 vs Firefox 2

Hey maybe if IE7's interface didn't suck by comparison and still have horrible standards support I would be more open towards it, but right now IE7 isn't worth the time and hassle.

If that happens soon, Vista SP1 will remid us all why we thought Microsoft was so great in the old days.

An open-source solution depends solely on altruistic dedication. I'm a realist, and I can't trust in that.

mutenpika

Microsoft has NEVER been "so great" up into Windows 3.0, Microsoft OSes were utterly unstable and buggy pieces of junk and those issues it didn't improve much afterwards until they finally moved to an NT code base.

I'm a realist and I know that dedication has shown its worth time and time again, there are tons of open-source applications that are better than their proprietary counterparts and you don't have to pay hundreds of dollars for them.

Open-source is the real innovator

Should professional software die, there will be no standard for effort, no competitiveness, and the entire software market will descend into a cesspool of esoteric and buggy programs. "Computing for everyone" will die. We'll be back in the days where everyone has to learn the machine code for their processor.mutenpika

Oh thats a load of bull and you know it. Open-source is no longer just a hobbyist field, theres all kinds of professional backing for it and that backing is becoming stronger.

Open-source allows a company's users to examine and offer suggestions or assistance in improving a software offering's code, what do you think Open SUSE is there for, or OpenOffice? It also offers the assurance that a company can't pull the wool over their user's eyes as people can examine the code...if a company is taking people's private information in an open-source environment the users will know.

Ubuntu, GIMP, Open Office, VLC, Compiz and more are all examples of programs that Open-source is developing that are compelling and easy to use and those are just off of the top of my head.

id love to be able to switch over to linux. an OS for free? yes please. but im a gamer and frankly linux is just not good enough at the moment. it can play many games but its usually a fight to get them to work (in my experience) and driver support remains pretty poor.

it could be a really cracking gaming OS though. if only open source devs would focus on that kind of thing. alas theres more money to be made with business apps and thats where linux is going for the time being. until linux gets proper driver support and alot more support from devs + ,more OSS support from a games perspective, its not really an option imho. however if u use ure PC only for browsing the internet and doing office stuff then id choose linux over windows any day. 

[QUOTE="ssbfalco"][QUOTE="mutenpika"]

I can't stand open-source, in general. I've found countless times that professional work is always more intuitive, more well-designed, more stable, and generally better than something a smart but eccentric guy builds. With a professional, they have to do it your way or you don't get it. If someone's making something for free, you're at their mercy.

Basic economic theory, chaps.

mutenpika

I hope you're not using firefox...

I am. I'm also currently in the process of switching to IE7 which is actually more fully-featured than Firefox 2 is at the moment. The reason being that I can't stand the random acts of crashing and memory leak anymore. Why so much memory leak?

I'm thankful Firefox is around, though. It made IE have to be competitive again. Free-market capitalistic theory breaks down in a monopoly, which is why I'm PRAYING that either Linux or Mac OSX becomes a competitive market force. If that happens soon, Vista SP1 will remid us all why we thought Microsoft was so great in the old days.

An open-source solution depends solely on altruistic dedication. I'm a realist, and I can't trust in that. I need someone whose next paycheck depends on my satisfaction. There's a lot of people like that out there: professional software engineers who know what they're doing, majored and earned a master's degree (or better) in their expertise, people who know that they HAVE to get something to excel, not just to compile.

If free software becomes competitive, professional software will become better. It must. The laws of economics garuntee it. Should professional software die, there will be no standard for effort, no competitiveness, and the entire software market will descend into a cesspool of esoteric and buggy programs. "Computing for everyone" will die. We'll be back in the days where everyone has to learn the machine code for their processor.

Finally, would you go to Yahoo answers for financial, legal, or medical advice?

That's a common misconception. Most contributions to open-source software are from private companies like IBM, SUN, Novell and Red Hat. Freedom and Profit aren't mutualy exclusive. Kindness of our hearts doesn't pay the bills, you know. ;)

Mozilla Foundation, the people that make firefox(free and open-source), earn dozens of millions every year from google for that default google search bar there in the top-right.

OS business models: http://www.itmanagersjournal.com/feature/314