wait a minute, what about that 116million ps2 owners

The ps2 is still selling like crazy and the install base isover 116 million people, what are those people gonne buy when they switch to the next gen? Are they all sony fans? will they pirches the ps3, the wii, the 360? I mean 116 million people:shock: thats alot of people. I dont evan know a 116 people let alone 116,000,000. What are youre thoughts?

They're buying Wii's

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It's not 116 million:| theres no way.

Actually, they're still playing their PS2s while waiting for a compelling reason to upgrade...

...and perhaps buying a cheap gamecube on the side.

They're buying Wii's

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jedigemini

They're buying Wii's

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jedigemini

As much of a fanboy as jedigemini is, he's probably right. The PS2 succeeded because it was mainstream. Since both the 360 and PS3 are priced as "prestige" consoles, there's only really one option for all those millions and millions PS2 owners who only consider gaming to be a leisure activity.

uh they all waited till the ps2 was 200 -150 dollars, thats what. not everyone has money to switch over to next gen yet.

i mean thats as lame as people playing ps3, and 360 on sd tv set, its just not right

i think that 116 million is units sold, not number of people who own the console. with all the DRE errors there were probably a significant number of people buying replacements.

They're buying Wii's

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jedigemini

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

They're buying Wii's

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mjarantilla

As much of a fanboy as jedigemini is, he's probably right. The PS2 succeeded because it was mainstream. Since both the 360 and PS3 are priced as "prestige" consoles, there's only really one option for all those millions and millions PS2 owners who only consider gaming to be a leisure activity.

Do you mean mainstream as in Madden fans, or mainstream as in "I don't know the difference between an X button and a start button"? I don't think the PS2s casual audience necessarily will gravitate to the Wii just because it's marked as a "casual" system and is cheap. Why not just stick with what you have?

i think that 116 million is units sold, not number of people who own the console. with all the DRE errors there were probably a significant number of people buying replacements.

mwa

not all of them will. you assume all of these people will instantly become hardcores after buying a ps2??

heck most of the kids in my area won't even admit they play video games just to save their reputations

They're buying Wii's

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jedigemini

I dont think many of them are willing to downgrade when it comes graphics. They most like still playing ps2. remember the are 40 million gamecube buyers. majority of wii owners had gamecubes.

Those ps2 fans are learning about discipline.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

They're buying Wii's

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ff7isnumbaone

I dont think many of them are willing to downgrade when it comes graphics. They most like still playing ps2. remember the are 40 million gamecube buyers. majority of wii owners had gamecubes.

:lol: Care to back that up?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

They're buying Wii's

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tonemd_basic

As much of a fanboy as jedigemini is, he's probably right. The PS2 succeeded because it was mainstream. Since both the 360 and PS3 are priced as "prestige" consoles, there's only really one option for all those millions and millions PS2 owners who only consider gaming to be a leisure activity.

Do you mean mainstream as in Madden fans, or mainstream as in "I don't know the difference between an X button and a start button"? I don't think the PS2s casual audience necessarily will gravitate to the Wii just because it's marked as a "casual" system and is cheap. Why not just stick with what you have?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

They're buying Wii's

/thread

tonemd_basic

As much of a fanboy as jedigemini is, he's probably right. The PS2 succeeded because it was mainstream. Since both the 360 and PS3 are priced as "prestige" consoles, there's only really one option for all those millions and millions PS2 owners who only consider gaming to be a leisure activity.

Do you mean mainstream as in Madden fans, or mainstream as in "I don't know the difference between an X button and a start button"? I don't think the PS2s casual audience necessarily will gravitate to the Wii just because it's marked as a "casual" system and is cheap. Why not just stick with what you have?

The hardcore Madden fans aren't mainstream. Sure, there are a lot of them, but they form a niche group because they keep re-buying Madden over and over again.

"Mainstream" refers to people who play games to relax, not to compete with others or to finish as many games as possible. "Mainstream" players don't get wrapped up in all of the bluster and hype around games.

most of the sales of the ps2 came when the ps2 was cheap

i think that 116 million is units sold, not number of people who own the console. with all the DRE errors there were probably a significant number of people buying replacements.

mwa

This logic always leads to people wondering how many actual 360 users are out there and how many just bought a new 360 instead of getting their previous one fixed.

It's a path you don't want to walk down.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

They're buying Wii's

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ff7isnumbaone

I dont think many of them are willing to downgrade when it comes graphics. They most like still playing ps2. remember the are 40 million gamecube buyers. majority of wii owners had gamecubes.

:lol: i really hope i misread that.

[QUOTE="mwa"]

i think that 116 million is units sold, not number of people who own the console. with all the DRE errors there were probably a significant number of people buying replacements.

ZIMdoom

This logic always leads to people wondering how many actual 360 users are out there and how many just bought a new 360 instead of getting their previous one fixed.

It's a path you don't want to walk down.

[QUOTE="tonemd_basic"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

They're buying Wii's

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nikolajz1

As much of a fanboy as jedigemini is, he's probably right. The PS2 succeeded because it was mainstream. Since both the 360 and PS3 are priced as "prestige" consoles, there's only really one option for all those millions and millions PS2 owners who only consider gaming to be a leisure activity.

Do you mean mainstream as in Madden fans, or mainstream as in "I don't know the difference between an X button and a start button"? I don't think the PS2s casual audience necessarily will gravitate to the Wii just because it's marked as a "casual" system and is cheap. Why not just stick with what you have?

There's nothing fanboy about waiting to buy a new system until all players put their cards on the table. People hear and see the hype , sure, but that doesn't mean they're ready to blow $250 on the Wii games that make it onto Good Morning America. Times change but I know when I was 12 to 17 I wouldn't have wanted the safe, family oriented gaming that Nintendo is promoting. If anything I probably would have been begging for a 360 because thats what my friends have. Meanwhile, I would have been playing my PS2.

people seemed to forget that the userbase is not the fanbase. Most people who cought PS2s have no loyalty to sony or the playstation brand.BuryMe

[QUOTE="tonemd_basic"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

They're buying Wii's

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mjarantilla

As much of a fanboy as jedigemini is, he's probably right. The PS2 succeeded because it was mainstream. Since both the 360 and PS3 are priced as "prestige" consoles, there's only really one option for all those millions and millions PS2 owners who only consider gaming to be a leisure activity.

Do you mean mainstream as in Madden fans, or mainstream as in "I don't know the difference between an X button and a start button"? I don't think the PS2s casual audience necessarily will gravitate to the Wii just because it's marked as a "casual" system and is cheap. Why not just stick with what you have?

The hardcore Madden fans aren't mainstream. Sure, there are a lot of them, but they form a niche group because they keep re-buying Madden over and over again.

"Mainstream" refers to people who play games to relax, not to compete with others or to finish as many games as possible. "Mainstream" players don't get wrapped up in all of the bluster and hype around games.

I'm sure here are many casual Madden fans who pick up the latest game just to have it when friends come over. That's the only reason I used that as an example. Looking at sales, it can't be just the hardcore, compettive Madden players supporting that franchise.

On the second point, if mainstream gamers don't get caught up in the hype around games, why would you think they'd be ready to buy a Wii, or any system? All I'm saying is, at this point, the larger majority of PS2 owners are probably still waiting for they're favorite game, for a price drop, for a tax return or whatever. That migration has not occured yet.

The ps2 is still selling like crazy and the install base isover 116 million people, what are those people gonne buy when they switch to the next gen? Are they all sony fans? will they pirches the ps3, the wii, the 360? I mean 116 million people:shock: thats alot of people. I dont evan know a 116 people let alone 116,000,000. What are youre thoughts?

viva_havarte

they will buy what ever is the hot/popular system when they choose to buy(mostly determined buy hype and price). at this point it looks like it may be the wii.

[QUOTE="viva_havarte"]

The ps2 is still selling like crazy and the install base isover 116 million people, what are those people gonne buy when they switch to the next gen? Are they all sony fans? will they pirches the ps3, the wii, the 360? I mean 116 million people:shock: thats alot of people. I dont evan know a 116 people let alone 116,000,000. What are youre thoughts?

AncientDozer

You know. . I hate discussions like this. For the simple reason that people try to make complex issues. . simple. There are so many variables to think about and yet all the people focus on are numbers

Honestly, I'm surprised people haven't figured out that they should probably focus on themselves rather than what other people want or like.

[QUOTE="mwa"]

i think that 116 million is units sold, not number of people who own the console. with all the DRE errors there were probably a significant number of people buying replacements.

RedMarzBoy

my point exactly

[QUOTE="mwa"]

i think that 116 million is units sold, not number of people who own the console. with all the DRE errors there were probably a significant number of people buying replacements.

ZIMdoom

This logic always leads to people wondering how many actual 360 users are out there and how many just bought a new 360 instead of getting their previous one fixed.

It's a path you don't want to walk down.

again, i'm not disputing that, nor did i ever say that logic does not apply to the 360. all i said was that the logic holds true for the PS2. how does that in any way negate that logic from holding true for the 360 as well?

PS2 was my favorite console last gen. this gen i'm sticking with my 360 :DBurnout_Player0

Have fun being bored.

[QUOTE="Burnout_Player0"]PS2 was my favorite console last gen. this gen i'm sticking with my 360 :DThisIsSW

Have fun being bored.

have fun waiting :lol:

It's not 116 million:| theres no way.

iammason

it's probably more.

PS3 wins.

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[QUOTE="ThisIsSW"]

[QUOTE="Burnout_Player0"]PS2 was my favorite console last gen. this gen i'm sticking with my 360 :DBurnout_Player0

Have fun being bored.

have fun waiting :lol:

have fun waiting while your 360 is in the shop :lol:

The ps2 is still selling like crazy and the install base isover 116 million people, what are those people gonne buy when they switch to the next gen? Are they all sony fans? will they pirches the ps3, the wii, the 360? I mean 116 million people:shock: thats alot of people. I dont evan know a 116 people let alone 116,000,000. What are youre thoughts?

viva_havarte

Well PS2 was notorious for poor hardware..I would say alot of those were replacement consoles.

i think that 116 million is units sold, not number of people who own the console. with all the DRE errors there were probably a significant number of people buying replacements.

mwa

The Ps2 had it's sales boosted up when the price drop came. That was 4 years ago... :|

I had 3 PS2s and I know many people that have brought multiple , many cuz it went slim.

The ps2 is still selling like crazy and the install base isover 116 million people, what are those people gonne buy when they switch to the next gen? Are they all sony fans? will they pirches the ps3, the wii, the 360? I mean 116 million people:shock: thats alot of people. I dont evan know a 116 people let alone 116,000,000. What are youre thoughts?

viva_havarte

PS2 is keeping sony in the game still.

[QUOTE="ThisIsSW"]

[QUOTE="Burnout_Player0"]PS2 was my favorite console last gen. this gen i'm sticking with my 360 :DBurnout_Player0

Have fun being bored.

have fun waiting :lol:

Lots of casuals now buying Wii

Lots of replacement consoles from disk read errors

Lots of people waiting for a proper price drop or something to make upgrading worthwhile.

[QUOTE="ThisIsSW"]

[QUOTE="Burnout_Player0"]PS2 was my favorite console last gen. this gen i'm sticking with my 360 :DBurnout_Player0

Have fun being bored.

have fun waiting :lol:

your the one waiting,havent had an exlusive game past AA in over 2 months when cows have had 2 over the past 2 months and it also looks like were going to have the best october