Was Phil Fish a tortured genius?

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#1 uninspiredcup
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They say that some of the greatest minds in the world suffer from turnile. Vincent van Gogh cut his ear off and ate it  then killed himself. Similarly Phil Fish had something said about him and got upset on twitter. Looking at the metacritic, Fez currently has a 91% metacritic making it the highest rated pc game of the year thus far.

Is this proof that regardless of all the hate he got from people (part pc gamers) he was in fact a top tier developer with demons?

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#2 tagyhag
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He was a perfectionist which obviously got into the dev time. But he was also not humble which is fine, but you have to have the thick skin to go along with that.
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#3 WilliamRLBaker
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....no he wasn't tortured and hes not a genius, Fez could have been done in half the time he did it by a bunch of 1st year college programmers.

the only thing he is good at is whining and blaming others for his failures.

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#4 lostrib
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Was he the guy who got all bitchy about the media and then quit?

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#5 lamprey263
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no, he's just sensitive... that's putting it lightly, my guess is he has emotional problems, and still sees a shrink to gripe about childhood issues
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#6 NeonNinja
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He was a perfectionist which obviously got into the dev time. But he was also not humble which is fine, but you have to have the thick skin to go along with that.tagyhag

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#7 illmatic8582
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Fez looks like sh1t....it's not like he created GTA or something. I couldnt care less whether he makes games or not. He thinks of himself as a genius obviously.
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#8 NameIess_One
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Phil Fish?
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#9 Guy_Brohski
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Phil Fish is the Andy Dick of indie developers.

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#10 lamprey263
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Phil Fish is the Andy Dick of indie developers.

Guy_Brohski
oh come on now, he hasn't tried to commit suicide... yet I'm guessing when he does it'll be the cry for help kind, with a pink lady Bic, and he'll let everyone know when he Tweets about it
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#11 clyde46
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[QUOTE="Guy_Brohski"]

Phil Fish is the Andy Dick of indie developers.

lamprey263
oh come on now, he hasn't tried to commit suicide... yet I'm guessing when he does it'll be the cry for help kind, with a pink lady Bic, and he'll let everyone know when he Tweets about it

I hope he does, he would be doing the world a favour.
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#12 NameIess_One
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"][QUOTE="Guy_Brohski"]

Phil Fish is the Andy Dick of indie developers.

clyde46
oh come on now, he hasn't tried to commit suicide... yet I'm guessing when he does it'll be the cry for help kind, with a pink lady Bic, and he'll let everyone know when he Tweets about it

I hope he does, he would be doing the world a favour.

That's cruel.
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#13 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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Phil was a pretentious douche and has put me off from ever buying Fez. If he ever tries to return I hope he gets laughed out.
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#14 Basinboy
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....no he wasn't tortured and hes not a genius, Fez could have been done in half the time he did it by a bunch of 1st year college programmers.

the only thing he is good at is whining and blaming others for his failures.

WilliamRLBaker
If it could be done, then where was Fez before Phil Fish? True genius isn't measured by knowledge but imagination Also, I don't agree. Fish made a great game, but he's not a genius.
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#15 bbkkristian
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Phil was a pretentious douche and has put me off from ever buying Fez. If he ever tries to return I hope he gets laughed out.darkspineslayer
Yup, i hope so too.
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#16 KungfuKitten
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If you're very smart you get ostracised. What you do is not enough. It's not what you're supposed to be doing. People laugh at your ideas. They tell you you miss the point entirely, and that they don't have the time to explain it. They tire you to no end with no actual response, until you finally get counterarguments that you already went through or that completely miss the point. You start looking for what's wrong with yourself and you start thinking that maybe you're an idiot who just doesn't get it. Until much later when you start to look around and see all the dumb things people do. If you explain things as carefully as you can, nobody understands. They never will. There's no desire to understand. They might appear to, but then it turns out they didn't. To be a genius is a very lonely experience. Like you're living a different world. A meaningless world. Because if you cannot share then what is the point?

Not that I would know, of course. That's just a guess.

Phil Fish was not tortured that way as far as we can tell. He got some bad remarks like everyone else on the internet who has a big mouth. And he was not able or not willing to deal with it. Maybe that's not the full picture, but from what we know it doesn't mean that he's some kind of repressed genius.

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#17 PannicAtack
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Fez might've been great, but Fish demonstrated that he simply couldn't take it. Compare him with Jonathan Blow and Dan Pinchbeck, two other indie devs who face lots of criticism, and how they've dealt with it.
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#18 Gargus
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No he wasnt a genius. He made a game, not a terrible game but not a great game either.

He wanted to be seen as a tortured genius but he wasnt. He was just a douchey kid that was plainly just a overly sensitive hipster that liked the fashion of being an indie game developer more than anything. He wanted to be a nerdy version of a indie movie star and nothing else.

He always got on my nerves anytime he would open his mouth. And that tantrum of "IM TAKING MY TOYS AND GOING HOME!!!!!" was just immature. Im glad he is gone.

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#19 metroidfood
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If by genius you mean total asshole then yes.

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#20 zassimick  Moderator
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[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]Phil was a pretentious douche and has put me off from ever buying Fez. If he ever tries to return I hope he gets laughed out.bbkkristian
Yup, i hope so too.

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#21 Darth_Kane
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Who?

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#22 DarthRamms
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No he was just a doche that probably needed to visit a psychologist. He was pretty much a one hit wonder and his game could have easily been done as a flash game I actually remmeber playing something similar years ago.

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#23 clone01
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]He was a perfectionist which obviously got into the dev time. But he was also not humble which is fine, but you have to have the thick skin to go along with that.

Pretty much. Getting that bent out of shape over Internet comments is a little silly.
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#24 cain006
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He was an asshole. Mocked other people all the time but couldn't handle it when people did the same thing to him.

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#25 clone01
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Who?

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Developer of the game Fez. Kind of an interesting story. I respect the hell out of developers. I sure couldn't do it.
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#26 Cherokee_Jack
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But he was also not humble which is finetagyhag

Yeah it's fine as long as you're not an egomaniac and remember to give others the same respect you give yourself.

But if you're well-adjusted enough for that, you're probably pretty humble.

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#27 Oil_Rope_Bombs
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"][QUOTE="Guy_Brohski"]

Phil Fish is the Andy Dick of indie developers.

clyde46
oh come on now, he hasn't tried to commit suicide... yet I'm guessing when he does it'll be the cry for help kind, with a pink lady Bic, and he'll let everyone know when he Tweets about it

I hope he does, he would be doing the world a favour.

Harsh.
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#28 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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Nope, he's a whiney bitch 

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#29 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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He was an asshole. Mocked other people all the time but couldn't handle it when people did the same thing to him.

cain006

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That video of him mocking the japanese industry in front of a japanese guy to a whole panel room was just ignorant of him

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#30 Senor_Kami
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no, he's just sensitive... that's putting it lightly, my guess is he has emotional problems, and still sees a shrink to gripe about childhood issueslamprey263

....no he wasn't tortured and hes not a genius, Fez could have been done in half the time he did it by a bunch of 1st year college programmers.

the only thing he is good at is whining and blaming others for his failures.

WilliamRLBaker
[QUOTE="tagyhag"]He was a perfectionist which obviously got into the dev time. But he was also not humble which is fine, but you have to have the thick skin to go along with that.

All of these perfectly sum Fish up.
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#31 cfisher2833
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I don't know if I'd say he was a "genius," but he did make a good game. People are just assholes and insulted him constantly because he mentioned how the quality of most Japanese games has decreased rapidly...which is true. His entire dilemma just demonstrates that developers who express their opinions will be met by a horde of angry man babies. 

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#32 SKaREO
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Never heard of him, don't care about his games.
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#33 Sushiglutton
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He created something which makes him superior to everyone in this thread.
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#34 NameIess_One
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He created something which makes him superior to everyone in this thread. Sushiglutton
You mean that butthurt mass on the Internet? Quite an accomplishment, can't argue with that! :D
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#35 cain006
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He created something which makes him superior to everyone in this thread. Sushiglutton
Becasue it's not like anyone on these forums has a career or anything :roll:

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#36 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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I don't know if I'd say he was a "genius," but he did make a good game. People are just assholes and insulted him constantly because he mentioned how the quality of most Japanese games has decreased rapidly...which is true. His entire dilemma just demonstrates that developers who express their opinions will be met by a horde of angry man babies. 

cfisher2833
A huge part was how he voiced that opinion. In the very same panel, Jon Blow echoed his sentiment, but didn't sound like a complete asshole while he did it.
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#37 Rage010101
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Genius?  lol no.  Tortured, maybe, but I don't think so.  He's just some butthurt DoucheBag who can't handle his emotions like a man.

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#38 clone01
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]He created something which makes him superior to everyone in this thread. NameIess_One
You mean that butthurt mass on the Internet? Quite an accomplishment, can't argue with that! :D

LOL. Seriously, though, its a cool game.
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#39 cfisher2833
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[QUOTE="cfisher2833"]

I don't know if I'd say he was a "genius," but he did make a good game. People are just assholes and insulted him constantly because he mentioned how the quality of most Japanese games has decreased rapidly...which is true. His entire dilemma just demonstrates that developers who express their opinions will be met by a horde of angry man babies. 

darkspineslayer

A huge part was how he voiced that opinion. In the very same panel, Jon Blow echoed his sentiment, but didn't sound like a complete asshole while he did it.

 

Being blunt can come off as being a douche, but like you said, the sentiment was the same and he shouldn't have been harassed (I don't see how you can call it anything other than harassment) for stating an opinion. Would people here enjoy it if the entire internent went on a rampage, constantly insulting and perhaps even threatening you for an opinion you expressed in the heat of the moment?

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#40 NameIess_One
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[QUOTE="NameIess_One"][QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]He created something which makes him superior to everyone in this thread. clone01
You mean that butthurt mass on the Internet? Quite an accomplishment, can't argue with that! :D

LOL. Seriously, though, its a cool game.

Hm, got it as a part of the latest Humble Bundle, but haven't played it yet. Not really a puzzle fan, but it does look fairly interesting, will play when I have the time.
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#41 GarGx1
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Phil Fish being compared to Vincent van Gogh? Van Gogh's will be known until our society collapses and possably even after, Phil fish made one interesting game and will be forgotten about within a year.

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#42 cfisher2833
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Phil Fish being compared to Vincent van Gogh? Van Gogh's will be known until our society collapses and possably even after, Phil fish made one interesting game and will be forgotten about within a year.

GarGx1

 

TC was obviously just being a bit hyperbolic. 

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#43 foxhound_fox
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He's a giant douche AND a turd sandwich. He deserves to rot in his glass house.
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#44 DJ-Lafleur
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never played Fez (and never will now), so I am unable to judge his game-making ability or genius.

He's a bitch though.

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#45 LegatoSkyheart
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]He was a perfectionist which obviously got into the dev time. But he was also not humble which is fine, but you have to have the thick skin to go along with that.NeonNinja

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#46 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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Phil Fish is most definitely NOT a genius, only a pretentious douchebag. Just the fact that he cancelled Fez 2 as a threat against the gaming media proves that he has no appreciation for game design. If he truly loved creating games and believed in his imagination and all of the games he created, then he wouldn't just cancel it because some people put him off. If you have a vision that you're inspired to make, you'd work as hard as you can to achieve it.

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#47 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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Top tier dev with only one game out?

lol gtfo

FEZ is great no doubt about it but its not THAT great

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#48 Jipset
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He's smart and has talent, but he also has serious mental issues that hold him back from improving on his craft.
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#49 foxhound_fox
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Phil Fish is most definitely NOT a genius, only a pretentious douchebag. Just the fact that he cancelled Fez 2 as a threat against the gaming media proves that he has no appreciation for game design. If he truly loved creating games and believed in his imagination and all of the games he created, then he wouldn't just cancel it because some people put him off. If you have a vision that you're inspired to make, you'd work as hard as you can to achieve it.

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And you would take criticism, of any kind, as constructive and improve future products.
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#50 DefconRave
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Genius? :lol: He's an arrogant prick who can dish it out but can't take it. Also there are far better indie devs than him.