Was this just a tech demo?

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#1 3verlastingHero
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Ok this is MGS4 from TGS 05 and seriously it looks way better than the MGS4 we have now, I mean the first person actually looks good, and the way the trash and dust flys in the air looks amazing, also snake looked way more detailed, and his hair looked better grey instead of the white it is now, WTF happened?

Video -

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OcWoDVfH5xQ

HD version -

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/8346.html

TGS 2005 shots (low quality)

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#2 NathanDrake
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I think the MGS4 that we have now looks just as good if not better. Have you seen the latest screenshots??
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#3 EmperorSupreme
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I guess I'm missing what is better on the youtube video. I don't see you're point.
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#4 ONLYDOD
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Looks more or less the same to me, besides, MGS has never been about exellent graphics to me, they're just a bonus :D
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#5 3verlastingHero
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Why did the First person look so much better in 05? Also did you guys notice all the stuff flying threw the air, it made it feel more realistic, also the animations looked smoother.
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#6 Couth_
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Graphics wise I think the final build looks a bit better, especially in the textures. Gameplay wise it looks a lot diffferent in the tech demo. It looks a bit more fluid in the FPS view.
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#7 blues3531
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Why did the First person look so much better in 05? Also did you guys notice all the stuff flying threw the air, it made it feel more realistic, also the animations looked smoother.3verlastingHero

it mainly looks sharper, better textures and looks like its running at at least 60fps. it was either cgi or they downgraded the game.

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#8 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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They are exactly the same.
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#9 3verlastingHero
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[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Why did the First person look so much better in 05? Also did you guys notice all the stuff flying threw the air, it made it feel more realistic, also the animations looked smoother.blues3531

it mainly looks sharper, better textures and looks like its running at at least 60fps. it was either cgi or they downgraded the game.

I think it was running on a PC.
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#10 blues3531
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[QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Why did the First person look so much better in 05? Also did you guys notice all the stuff flying threw the air, it made it feel more realistic, also the animations looked smoother.3verlastingHero

it mainly looks sharper, better textures and looks like its running at at least 60fps. it was either cgi or they downgraded the game.

I think it was running on a PC.

yeah probably. lets not forget this was also the time when all the ps3 games shown off were lies. motorstorm, 8 days, kz2. and probably this. there is so much more detail on snake like the textures on his suit. the people that dont notice its just cuz its a low quality youtube video. i remember the same trailer on g4 at e3:05 on my 50in, 1080p and it was much more impressive than it is now

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#11 EmperorSupreme
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[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Why did the First person look so much better in 05? Also did you guys notice all the stuff flying threw the air, it made it feel more realistic, also the animations looked smoother.blues3531

it mainly looks sharper, better textures and looks like its running at at least 60fps. it was either cgi or they downgraded the game.

You got "looks sharper, better textures and running at 60fps" all from a youtube video... I don't know what video you watched but it's not the same one I saw.

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#12 3verlastingHero
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They are exactly the same. ZIMdoom
This looks the same as the TGS 05 first person?

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#13 Always-Honest
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why post crappy youtube when you can post the same video from gametrailers.com? in hd..

there is Nothing to see on this youtube video that warrents you comment..

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#14 elmafia
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Why didn't they keep the FPS mode the way it was on the 05 trailer. on the 05 trailer you see the gun and you can aim, just like in lets say cod4. But now its aiming all the time, except for when your reloading.
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#15 3verlastingHero
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People over at gametrailers agree.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=399122
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#16 3verlastingHero
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why post crappy youtube when you can post the same video from gametrailers.com? in hd..

there is Nothing to see on this youtube video that warrents you comment..

Always-Honest
Because not everyone has super fast DSL connections mabey? And streaming HD takes a LOT longer than youtube.
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#17 Nero_Paladin
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I'm not Sure but this adds further questions

I think either they were developing MG4 without knowing the specs or they realised they couldn't make the whole game that way and decided to scale down the levels. But then again we wont know until june 12.

Keep in mind I'm only guessing.

edit: actually they did say it was an early version of the game and if so its been improved on after 3 years.

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#18 Always-Honest
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hetre you go:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/8346.html

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#19 blues3531
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[QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Why did the First person look so much better in 05? Also did you guys notice all the stuff flying threw the air, it made it feel more realistic, also the animations looked smoother.EmperorSupreme

it mainly looks sharper, better textures and looks like its running at at least 60fps. it was either cgi or they downgraded the game.

You got "looks sharper, better textures and running at 60fps" all from a youtube video... I don't know what video you watched but it's not the same one I saw.

no as i said in another post i saw this trailer on g4 at e3:05. it looked way better on a real 1080p hd tv

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#20 Always-Honest
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[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

why post crappy youtube when you can post the same video from gametrailers.com? in hd..

there is Nothing to see on this youtube video that warrents you comment..

3verlastingHero

Because not everyone has super fast DSL connections mabey? And streaming HD takes a LOT longer than youtube.

than don't post.. cause you can't see **** on a youtube video... certainly not things like sharpness and detail..

you basicly just posted to troll...

edit.. you can download to

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#21 Bread_or_Decide
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Game looks the same to me.

*shrug*

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#22 3verlastingHero
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[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

why post crappy youtube when you can post the same video from gametrailers.com? in hd..

there is Nothing to see on this youtube video that warrents you comment..

Always-Honest

Because not everyone has super fast DSL connections mabey? And streaming HD takes a LOT longer than youtube.

than don't post.. cause you can't see **** on a youtube video... certainly not things like sharpness and detail..

you basicly just posted to troll...

HD link up as well, quit crying!
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#23 GazzaB
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I remember reading that Snakes mustache alone would have more polygons than the entire model of snake in MGS3. Is that still the case or was it more Sony dribble?
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#24 Always-Honest
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[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3verlastingHero"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

why post crappy youtube when you can post the same video from gametrailers.com? in hd..

there is Nothing to see on this youtube video that warrents you comment..

3verlastingHero

Because not everyone has super fast DSL connections mabey? And streaming HD takes a LOT longer than youtube.

than don't post.. cause you can't see **** on a youtube video... certainly not things like sharpness and detail..

you basicly just posted to troll...

HD link up as well, quit crying!

well done. now there is a base for discussion.

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#25 Always-Honest
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I remember reading that Snakes mustache alone would have more polygons than the entire model of snake in MGS3. Is that still the case or was it more Sony dribble?GazzaB

it's possible they downgraded the graphics since the tech demo where they said that (way before this TGS trailer.)

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#26 waynehead895
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I know it was running at a higher fps than the current vids.
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#27 SambaLele
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MGS4 looks a better now.
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#28 3verlastingHero
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Looks better now huh?

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When will ppl learn Sony pretty much alwasy lies to people with cut in CGI, and Pre-Renders, then when games are released, the target render is much lower. They've done it many times as Blues said.
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When will ppl learn Sony pretty much alwasy lies to people with cut in CGI, and Pre-Renders, then when games are released, the target render is much lower. They've done it many times as Blues said.hywel69

Your right, the well known Sony in house developed title Metal gear solid:roll:

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When will ppl learn Sony pretty much alwasy lies to people with cut in CGI, and Pre-Renders, then when games are released, the target render is much lower. They've done it many times as Blues said.hywel69

Why do people think it's just Sony, everyone forgets the Halo E3 ingame footage so fast.

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#32 blues3531
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[QUOTE="hywel69"]When will ppl learn Sony pretty much alwasy lies to people with cut in CGI, and Pre-Renders, then when games are released, the target render is much lower. They've done it many times as Blues said.Nero_Paladin

Your right, the well known Sony in house developed title Metal gear solid:roll:

doesnt matter. kz2 isnt developed by sony in house, neither were a lot of the games that were cgi pre rendered at e3 05. i was on board for ps3 until i learned most of those videos were fake. this being one of them. the game has been downgraded slightly...just slightly, little bit on teh textures and detail of things

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[QUOTE="hywel69"]When will ppl learn Sony pretty much alwasy lies to people with cut in CGI, and Pre-Renders, then when games are released, the target render is much lower. They've done it many times as Blues said.EmperorSupreme

Why do people think it's just Sony, everyone forgets the Halo E3 ingame footage so fast.

yeah i lol'ed at that trailer when peopple thought it was real. ms does it plenty too

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[QUOTE="hywel69"]When will ppl learn Sony pretty much alwasy lies to people with cut in CGI, and Pre-Renders, then when games are released, the target render is much lower. They've done it many times as Blues said.EmperorSupreme

Why do people think it's just Sony, everyone forgets the Halo E3 ingame footage so fast.

That was different as it wasnt CGI like most of the stuff Sony showed at that E3. The Halo 3 announcement trailer was In-engine and Bungie clearly stated that. They also said clearly in the documentary of the trailer that the trailer showed the bar they were shooting for in final gameplay.

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#35 Ilived
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It's not that much different...except the animation is very different.
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#36 Shinobi7777
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Doesn't look that bad to me, this one is from CES 2008(of course gameplay).

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#37 GazzaB
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ewww...look at the wall
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#38 Holden1985
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[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

why post crappy youtube when you can post the same video from gametrailers.com? in hd..

there is Nothing to see on this youtube video that warrents you comment..

Always-Honest

Because not everyone has super fast DSL connections mabey? And streaming HD takes a LOT longer than youtube.

than don't post.. cause you can't see **** on a youtube video... certainly not things like sharpness and detail..

you basicly just posted to troll...

edit.. you can download to

The guy was right though there has been a big downgrade like all game really devs cheating.

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#39 3verlastingHero
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[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3verlastingHero"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

why post crappy youtube when you can post the same video from gametrailers.com? in hd..

there is Nothing to see on this youtube video that warrents you comment..

Holden1985

Because not everyone has super fast DSL connections mabey? And streaming HD takes a LOT longer than youtube.

than don't post.. cause you can't see **** on a youtube video... certainly not things like sharpness and detail..

you basicly just posted to troll...

edit.. you can download to

The guy was right though there has been a big downgrade like all game really devs cheating.

I knew someone would agree.
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ewww...look at the wallGazzaB

ok i have a challenge for you, look at a wall, any wall in real life, stand about lets say five feet away from it, then walk up to it till yoru eyes are almost touching the wall, and ZOMG THE BLURRYS TEXTURES!!!!

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#42 LanDC77
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It looks better now to me, then it did then.
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#43 Always-Honest
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[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="3verlastingHero"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

why post crappy youtube when you can post the same video from gametrailers.com? in hd..

there is Nothing to see on this youtube video that warrents you comment..

Holden1985

Because not everyone has super fast DSL connections mabey? And streaming HD takes a LOT longer than youtube.

than don't post.. cause you can't see **** on a youtube video... certainly not things like sharpness and detail..

you basicly just posted to troll...

edit.. you can download to

The guy was right though there has been a big downgrade like all game really devs cheating.

i thought some fanboy would read this the wrong way: i said he should post a HD video. i didn't say i was disagreeing.. there is no way you can see the things he said in a youtube video. NOW, do you understand what i'm saying or do i have to draw pictures?

and thee seems to be more characters detail.. not much difference in the rest. You should have seen the real tech demo.. you probably didn't.

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#44 EuroMafia
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Such and old video, back then people must have been drooling over it. Now it's pretty much the standard.