Way better gameplay > negligable lead in graphics (Forza 3 v. GT5)

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#1 XanaduTheBand
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It's hilarious that people are going on and on about the graphics of these two games (I personally think GT5s are better but not by a lot) when the real issue with these games is gameplay which Forza has bested the GT series at for the last 2 titles. What make anyone think that Polyphony are gonna do it this time? More tracks and cars (Tuning and parts swap gives the Forza series a bigger selection IMO) does not equal a better game. Forza 2 which had WAY less cars and tracks was still better than any previous GT games due to the better gameplay mechanics. What we get with Forza 3 is better graphics (much better), way more tracks and cars (icing, really), old great features made even more robust (tuning, parts, car art, etc.) and of course improved gameplay. I'd be surprised if GT5 matched Forza 3 and flabbergasted if it happened to be a better game.
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#2 DonPerian
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We're in System Wars.

Graphics>Everything. They won't admit it, but it's the only reason why Forza is in the lime light right now. The second one was fantastic, but since it had subpar visuals, it was quickly dismissed and rarely discussed.

Note: That's not how I feel about it though, I don't care if a game looks like Pong, if it's fun - I'm playing it.

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It's hilarious that people are going on and on about the graphics of these two games (I personally think GT5s are better but not by a lot) when the real issue with these games is gameplay which Forza has bested the GT series at for the last 2 titles. What make anyone think that Polyphony are gonna do it this time? More tracks and cars (Tuning and parts swap gives the Forza series a bigger selection IMO) does not equal a better game. Forza 2 which had WAY less cars and tracks was still better than any previous GT games due to the better gameplay mechanics. What we get with Forza 3 is better graphics (much better), way more tracks and cars (icing, really), old great features made even more robust (tuning, parts, car art, etc.) and of course improved gameplay. I'd be surprised if GT5 matched Forza 3 and flabbergasted if it happened to be a better game.XanaduTheBand

I disagree.

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#4 SragentThom
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We're in System Wars.

Graphics>Everything. They won't admit it, but it's the only reason why Forza is in the lime light right now. The second one was fantastic, but since it had subpar visuals, it was quickly dismissed and rarely discussed.

Note: That's not how I feel about it though, I don't care if a game looks like Pong, if it's fun - I'm playing it.

DonPerian

At least it's in 60fps.60fps > 30fps.

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I didn't notice any better graphics or gameplay between the two. OH YEAH, they're not released yet! Come back when we actually can play them.
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We're in System Wars.

Graphics>Everything. They won't admit it, but it's the only reason why Forza is in the lime light right now. The second one was fantastic, but since it had subpar visuals, it was quickly dismissed and rarely discussed.

Note: That's not how I feel about it though, I don't care if a game looks like Pong, if it's fun - I'm playing it.

DonPerian
Pretty much this. I have no idea why it has to be like that though. PS2 won because of its games, not its graphics. It will be no different this gen. People dont buy games because of graphics, or buy a system because "its the most powerfull" or "certain games cant be done on the other system". Playing games is what matters to me. So i really dont understand all the graphics debates
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#7 BioShockOwnz
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I guess it's good thing FM3 wins both categories.

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#8 SragentThom
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[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

We're in System Wars.

Graphics>Everything. They won't admit it, but it's the only reason why Forza is in the lime light right now. The second one was fantastic, but since it had subpar visuals, it was quickly dismissed and rarely discussed.

Note: That's not how I feel about it though, I don't care if a game looks like Pong, if it's fun - I'm playing it.

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Pretty much this. I have no idea why it has to be like that though. PS2 won because of its games, not its graphics. It will be no different this gen. People dont buy games because of graphics, or buy a system because "its the most powerfull" or "certain games cant be done on the other system". Playing games is what matters to me. So i really dont understand all the graphics debates

Oh yes they do."You" is not every person on the earth.ps2 won because of marketing

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I guess it's good thing FM3 wins both categories.

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ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess it's good thing FM3 wins both categories.

jonesy1911

ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

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the last gt real gt game was GT4 which came before the first forza and on a system thats 3x weaker and lord knows how much weaker than teh 360 so you can't really make that judgment about the gameplay yet.
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="DonPerian"]

We're in System Wars.

Graphics>Everything. They won't admit it, but it's the only reason why Forza is in the lime light right now. The second one was fantastic, but since it had subpar visuals, it was quickly dismissed and rarely discussed.

Note: That's not how I feel about it though, I don't care if a game looks like Pong, if it's fun - I'm playing it.

SragentThom

Pretty much this. I have no idea why it has to be like that though. PS2 won because of its games, not its graphics. It will be no different this gen. People dont buy games because of graphics, or buy a system because "its the most powerfull" or "certain games cant be done on the other system". Playing games is what matters to me. So i really dont understand all the graphics debates

Oh yes they do."You" is not every person on the earth.ps2 won because of marketing

i can agree with you on those points:P Im sure there are some that DO buy it for those reasons, but IMO, i think the majority dont, but thats just my opinion, but that still leaves the minority that may very well do that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UMyBQAWVAk

Insanely similar in gameplay. Only thing Forza offers is more variety of customisation and damage. You can swing it what ever way you like with science magazine has more scientific analysis n bla bla put into forza, matter of fact is, you get a stock car from GT n same stock car from forza, drive it around the track, you willl be cornering and breaking at almost identical speeds with similar laptimes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial. Do not get me wrong, both games has its up n downs, but i without a doubt will be buying both.

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We will just have to wait & see.

I want to see how well damage is done in GT5.

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#15 h575309
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These threads are sooooooo effing dumb. Not a single person has played both games, save for maybe the PD people who played forza 3 the other week. So unless your a PD dev, you cant be saying one game is better than the other when NOBODY has played ANYTHING. GOD.

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#16 NYrockinlegend
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Invalid comparison. We haven't see enough of both games(especially not GT5), or even got a chance to feel how each plays to make a valid comparison between the two. They look too similar at this point to make any real debate over which is better.
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#17 TR800
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As a huge forza fan to find out it looks as good as GT5 and runs at 60FPS is breathtaking but add on 400+ cars 100+ tracks and you have a killer racer indeed.
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[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess it's good thing FM3 wins both categories.

BioShockOwnz

ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

So that automatically makes the next game better does it? come on we all know things can change from one game to another and scores can also change.
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#19 TR800
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These threads are sooooooo effing dumb. Not a single person has played both games, save for maybe the PD people who played forza 3 the other week. So unless your a PD dev, you cant be saying one game is better than the other when NOBODY has played ANYTHING. GOD.

h575309

Very true both will be stunning in every respect now i need to find £300 to buy a PS3 :evil:

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#20 TR800
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[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.jonesy1911

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

So that automatically makes the next game better does it? come on we all know things can change from one game to another and scores can also change.

Very true.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess it's good thing FM3 wins both categories.

ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

yeah, but you said it wins in both categories, which you wouldnt know for sure. besides, on both gamerankings and metacritic 3/4 main GT games are AAA, its just GT4 which is 89 on both. close though.
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#22 Tjeremiah1988
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Well its a video game and well, gameplay is important in a video game, no? I see people just boosting about GT by how real it looks, but how does it play? Go watch cars drive by your house or Nascar on Sundays and stare at how awesome those graphics are :|
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="jonesy1911"]ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.idontbeliveit

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

yeah, but you said it wins in both categories, which you wouldnt know for sure. besides, on both gamerankings and metacritic 3/4 main GT games are AAA, its just GT4 which is 89 on both. close though.

dont forget prologue.

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[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess it's good thing FM3 wins both categories.

BioShockOwnz

ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

so is the halo series while KZ2 is the 1st AAA title in the series. So going by your logic, Halo 3>KZ2 in visuals because of it's reviewing track record:lol:

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#25 deactivated-652663614c5e5
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

yeah, but you said it wins in both categories, which you wouldnt know for sure. besides, on both gamerankings and metacritic 3/4 main GT games are AAA, its just GT4 which is 89 on both. close though.

dont forget prologue.

i prefer not to count the prologues, only the full games.
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None of these games have "way" better gameplay.
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#27 pooz13
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Personally, I didn't find the gameplay in Forza (1) to be better than that of GT4. Okay, so there are more customization options in Forza, but then I think the actual driving and attention to detail given to the tracks balances that out - they're on an equal footing, it depends what you are into.

Anyway, as has been said, this is a stupid topic to be discussing now, since neither games are out yet. Good to see we've started already, though - oh, I simply can't wait for the real fun to begin, when they've both been released. (I anticipate coming down on the GT side, but we'll see...)

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#28 djsifer01
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They will both be great games im sure lets just leave it at that. I thnk GT will have the better gameplay which is the most important part of a game for me, graphics are just a bonus.
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#29 All_that_is_Man
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forza 2 has horrible gameplay, and I haven't played prologue so I can't judge that but why would you expect Forza 3 to be any better

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Hmm. 360 owners not to pleased by Forza 3 not living up to standards I see.
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forza 2 has horrible gameplay, and I haven't played prologue so I can't judge that but why would you expect Forza 3 to be any better

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Because it is the AAA franchise:roll:

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#32 hy4k
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tbh i cant tell any difference between the graphics but forza will obviously be better i'm sure cows will be very happy in 5 years time when GT5 is released, but it'll still play a lot worse
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#33 EmperorSupreme
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Forza 3 gameplay looks bad. All the gameplay videos look empty, the vast majority of the time they are racing all alone. Less cars=less racing. If that's what Forza needs to have good graphics they would be better off with more cars and not trying to look as good as GranTurismo.
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#34 matte3560
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They will both be great games im sure lets just leave it at that. I thnk GT will have the better gameplay which is the most important part of a game for me, graphics are just a bonus.djsifer01
Thing is, Forza 3 will have an online community. An active one at that. Doing lap after lap on your own is not my idea of fun at least. 1K posts.... yay....
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[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess it's good thing FM3 wins both categories.

BioShockOwnz

ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

Forza has yet to match GT's highest scores or its sales. Apparently you're mistaken.

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[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess it's good thing FM3 wins both categories.

BioShockOwnz

ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

You're proof post count means nothing. You've made two absolutely ridiculous comments in a row.

To your first comment: You've played neither and thus you know NOTHING.

To your second comment: As a franchise, GT dwarfs FM....there is no arguing this. It's been around longer and has sold a ton more copies. GT is bigger, period...whether it's better or not is irrelevant...it's still bigger.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="jonesy1911"]ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.mudman91878

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

You're proof post count means nothing. You've made two absolutely ridiculous comments in a row.

To your first comment: You've played neither and thus you know NOTHING.

To your second comment: As a franchise, GT dwarfs FM....there is no arguing this. It's been around longer and has sold a ton more copies. GT is bigger, period...whether it's better or not is irrelevant...it's still bigger.

I don't think size was his point...
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its amazing how people can compare unreleased games.
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what the hell are you talking about? both games look great and both lems and cows hype it alike and where did you get the notion than gt's gameplay doesn't "match" forza's, they are the same same game! It like compering madden football to2ks past entries, both deliver the same experience. I really don't understand this whole fight between gt fans and forza fans really, the only time these games have competed was back when the first forza and gt4 were released, forza only scored a few points better because ofonline abilities, if not I'm sure both games would have scored similarly. I also find it sad that most people here that talk about these games don't really care about racing games and only use it for sw material really, if you actually were so much of a racing fan as you all sound then you would buy and support both games instead of having these silly fights but of course that's my opinion.

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#40 edo-tensei
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[QUOTE="matte3560"][QUOTE="mudman91878"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

You're proof post count means nothing. You've made two absolutely ridiculous comments in a row.

To your first comment: You've played neither and thus you know NOTHING.

To your second comment: As a franchise, GT dwarfs FM....there is no arguing this. It's been around longer and has sold a ton more copies. GT is bigger, period...whether it's better or not is irrelevant...it's still bigger.

I don't think size was his point...

yet here in sw sales is all that matter right? sales and marketshare? lol
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#41 Nonstop-Madness
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can anyone tell how Forza's gameplay is better than GT or GT's gameplay is better than Forza cause there both racing games, you just race.
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#42 deactivated-594be627b82ba
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they are racing sims, the gameplay sucks anyways, that's why ppl argue about the graphics, soon it will be the quality of the sound

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#43 Tjeremiah1988
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forza 2 has horrible gameplay, and I haven't played prologue so I can't judge that but why would you expect Forza 3 to be any better

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forza 2 had what? Did you seriously play Forza 2 throughout?
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can anyone tell how Forza's gameplay is better than GT or GT's gameplay is better than Forza cause there both racing games, you just race.Nonstop-Madness
lol, this is a good way of looking at it :P
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#45 Tauu
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They be working on GT5 longer so it be better game, Forza not better because 2 years it was worked on. Gt5 better.

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Who cares about which one plays better! You can post screens and compare gameplay! There is only graphics!

This isn't madness... THIS IS SYSTEM WARS!!!

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#47 Episode_Eve
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Gameplay is always more important than graphics. But we don't know if FM3's gameplay will be better since no one's played GT5 or knows of the full feature-set/ mechanics. Let's wait until both games are reviewed and released to determine that. Both should be great though.
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[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess it's good thing FM3 wins both categories.

BioShockOwnz

ah so i guess you've played them both, oh no? ah ok... jog on.

FM is a AAA franchise, GT isn't.

So, since FM 1&2 are AAA on GameSpot that automatically makes FM3 have better graphics and gameplay? Doesn't make sense to me...
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#49 Nvidia28
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GT5 is for people who like realistic driving physics more while Forza 3 is for people who like arcade like physics and don't care about graphics much.

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#50 MizFitAwesome
Member since 2009 • 2745 Posts

GT5 is for people who like realistic driving physics more while Forza 3 is for people who like arcade like physics and don't care about graphics much.

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Really? Realistic driving physics let people bump other cars just to negotiate a hairpin turn?