We need an Inception of video games.

Yeah i just watched the masterpiece of the God Christopher Nolan and i tought we need something like this in video games. No, not the game based on the movie, but a revolutionary, original, mindblowing, mental challenging, intellegent, something never seen before.

I think that through games you have unlimited freedom to create something you cant through movies, books or any other entretainement industry. I think no one has fully realized games potential and takes it serious enough.

But we need a game like that, that "plays with your mind", that brings the quality of stories in games to another level. and most of all the way you play it. we need something new, and im not talking about those new Move and Kinect crap, thats garbage. Games are all pretty much go from point A to B and shoot or kill enemies along the way. Watch a few cutscenes and youre done. If their not going to point A to B, their an open world game where you do the same stuff over and over again.

Or we can just let Cristopher Nolan create a video game.

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

NielsNL

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

Drakes_Fortune

because at the end of the day, the emphasis on story and writing takes a huge back seat to presentation and gameplay.

Even the best stories in gaming would have trouble passing off as B-movies. The only exception are games like Planetscape: torment that are litterally interactinve novels, but nobody makes games like that today.

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

because at the end of the day, the emphasis on story and writing takes a huge back seat to presentation and gameplay.

Even the best stories in gaming would have trouble passing off as B-movies. The only exception are games like Planetscape: torment that are litterally interactinve novels, but nobody makes games like that today.

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

Ultizer

The movie reminded me of the internet. Basically everyone had a giant lan party and they had several proxy's enabled.

I don't see why not?

I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know what to say about this, but I really want to see it.

I don't see why not?

I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know what to say about this, but I really want to see it.

DJ-Lafleur

Looking at your sig makes me happy :)

[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

AAllxxjjnn

....uve never heard of Donnie Darko? Dont talk to me :P

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

I don't see why not?

I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know what to say about this, but I really want to see it.

NielsNL

Looking at your sig makes me happy :)

Thanks. 8)

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Ultizer"]

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

painguy1

....uve never heard of Donnie Darko? Dont talk to me :P

I still wish that Inception was smarter or more puzzling. I can't see how anybody could be confused by the plot yet most reviews say it's difficult to understand. But I do think it's one of the top movies in the last year or couple of years.

[...] blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

Ultizer

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

Ultizer

[QUOTE="Ultizer"][...] blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

foxhound_fox

I still wish that Inception was smarter or more puzzling. I can't see how anybody could be confused by the plot yet most reviews say it's difficult to understand. But I do think it's one of the top movies in the last year or couple of years.

padraigd

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

Ultizer

Blade Runner, sure, I'll give that one to you. But Donnie Darko? I don't know. I wouldn't call that a masterpiece. Great, sure, but not one of my favorite's.

Nolan, on the other hand, can be called a god, directorial wise, than the director of both Blade Runner and Donnie Darko. Richard Kelly's career - ouch. And while Ridley Scott has made some of the best movies ever, he's made a ton of slumps too. But Nolan: Memento, Insomnia, Batman Begins, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception - All great so far. His first slump will be a sad day.

But no TC, I don't know if the concept of Inception would work well as a game. Gaming has the ability to tell great stories, but complicated plot twists like that would just alienate the gamer from actually playing anything. Trying to time everything like they did in the movie... yeah screw that.

More games just need good stories...I blame lazy writers.

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

NielsNL

No.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

hakanakumono

No.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

hakanakumono

No.

If you can stand the dated presentation (lots and lots of text), Planescape: Torment is the only game I can remember that has an actual deep story.

As in a book worthy story. There's plenty of enjoyable and good game stories ofc.

it's A LOT harder to do something of that calibur in the gaming industry, considering development cost, risk, and publisher skeptisism.

The closest thing to what you are talking about that we got recently was the original Bioshock

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Ultizer"][...] blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

oldkingallant

I wouldn't say it's aged greatly either, most kids these days will fall asleep watching it, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a film.

[QUOTE="Ultizer"][...] blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

foxhound_fox

Also Inception is heavily influenced by Blade Runner, one of Nolan's favourite films. As for games with stories and what not -- Some games have better stories then some movies and a lot of movies have better stories then games. It depends on what one you're looking at, you can't just be like 'yes' or 'no'.

Yeah i just watched the masterpiece of the God Christopher Nolan and i tought we need something like this in video games. No, not the game based on the movie, but a revolutionary, original, mindblowing, mental challenging, intellegent, something never seen before.

I think that through games you have unlimited freedom to create something you cant through movies, books or any other entretainement industry. I think no one has fully realized games potential and takes it serious enough.

But we need a game like that, that "plays with your mind", that brings the quality of stories in games to another level. and most of all the way you play it. we need something new, and im not talking about those new Move and Kinect crap, thats garbage. Games are all pretty much go from point A to B and shoot or kill enemies along the way. Watch a few cutscenes and youre done. If their not going to point A to B, their an open world game where you do the same stuff over and over again.

Or we can just let Cristopher Nolan create a video game.

Drakes_Fortune

Well I just played MGS2 for the first time a few weeks ago, along with 3, and that was a pretty big mind****. As the game come closer to ending, everything is explained, and.... its messed up. And yes, it does make sense, I don't know why everyone thinks its a convoluted mess. Other than that, I can't think of any games that really blows your mind.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

No.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

AfterBurnerZ

No.

I would say "NO", but I also agree with "YES".

I think the fact that even cartoons can evoke more emotions then some of the best story-telling games says more then enough. There isn't a single game or game engine that has put a focus on subtle-body-language-animations or complex-face-animations for characters to express emotions in a believable manner nor is there an engine we've heard of that is planning to focus on it in the forseeable future.

When it comes to charachter development we're still stuck in the "Action Hero"-phase where the hero (you) can't show any emotions, talks tough, occasionally walk away from explosions, poses once in a while to make himself look cooler then he already is andultimately saves the day. I would even go as far and say they are actually worse then Action-Hero-movies from the 90s.

Game stories aren't much better either. Some of the most popular games can be summarized in 1-2 sentences.Halo: Super Human in Super Suit killing Aliens and parasites on a ring planet.Gears of War: Men on steroids killing Aliens on a post-apocalyptic planet.Killzone: Humans killing banished humans with glowing red eyes on the planet they were banished too.Call of Duty: Americans killing Arabs/Russians/traitorous Americans/Cubans/other scum.Even the best story-telling game of this year, Mass Effect 2, would only qualify as a B-movie in movieland.

So "YES", games MIGHT be a just as suitable story-telling medium as movies and booksbut there isn't any game that proves that nor is our industry showing any drive towards delivering more compelling stories and believable characters.

it's A LOT harder to do something of that calibur in the gaming industry, considering development cost, risk, and publisher skeptisism.

The closest thing to what you are talking about that we got recently was the original Bioshock

Dead-Memories

Then it's true that Inception is a rehash of Ubik :/

[QUOTE="AfterBurnerZ"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

No.

CAPSROGUE

Game stories aren't much better either. Some of the most popular games can be summarized in 1-2 sentences.Halo: Super Human in Super Suit killing Aliens and parasites on a ring planet.Gears of War: Men on steroids killing Aliens on a post-apocalyptic planet.Killzone: Humans killing banished humans with glowing red eyes on the planet they were banished too.Call of Duty: Americans killing Arabs/Russians/traitorous Americans/Cubans/other scum.

I find it kinda funny you'd use those games as a means to judge video game stories...

BUt anyways, whether or not game stories can compare with some some of the greatest film stories, I'd say there are some good game stories nonetheless. Fire Emblem games, Final Fantasy games, Lufia 2, Golden Sun 1 and 2, "Tales of" games just for some examples.

God Christopher Nolan

Drakes_Fortune

vomit worthy statement

anyway you know what id rather see? people accepting games for being games. i dont care if a game is art or not and i hate seeing games dragged into that crap. its fine for games to be games. they dont need to be more like movies, or like any other media. no other media can or will ever replicate street fighter 2. it is a pure, fantastic game that does exactly what its supposed to do. likewise, movies have their own thing to do.

this is not to say that cinematic or thought provoking games are impossible, but aping movies is a terrible way to go about it. games are their own distinct media and every time we see people trying to make games more like something else, imo the game suffers, or the media as a whole takes some steps backwards. video games can have great stories that are unobtrusive and add tot he game (homeworld) but imo the story has to be recognized as a backseat to the gameplay and once this is recognized, the game improves greatly for it.

If anyone could so something like this it should be Kojima. The way the story and the pace of inception are handled feel very much in a way that Kojima handles the story of the MGS games.

Try Killer 7, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Breakdown, or Phantom Dust.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

A game will always be a less suitable medium for storytelling than a movie or book.

AfterBurnerZ

No.

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

Ultizer

this man knows good movies. that said, inception looks pretty cool.

Drakes_Fortune lives?! :o:shock::?

We don't need a Citizen Kane or a The Godfather or a Shawshank Redemption or a Dark Knight of videogames, we need more videogames to stop trying to copy what movies do and tossing it into the game for the sole purpose of interrupting the game part of it, and instead more games that just excel at being games and work whatever story and character development and what have you that they have into the actual game part of the game.

You need great writers. And suffice to say, the gaming industry isn't reallyfilled with 'em.

>nolan

>a god

TC question, have you watched.. lets say, donnie darko or blade runner? i think you should before you call nolan a god and inception a masterpiece

Ultizer

omg not this "We need an Avatar of Video Games" BS again.

We have these and they're called

Mass Effect 2, Uncharted 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Heavy Rain, Halo 3, Super Mario Bros. 3, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy 8, Final Fantasy 9, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy 6, etc,etc,etc......