we should all wait for the Nov. npd, BUT...

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/black-friday-boosts-for-xbox-one-and-ps4-in-uk-too/0142152

Sales of both next-gen consoles were up sharply week-on-week in the UK last week as retailers offered some great Black Friday deals.

Overall games hardware sales (both consoles and handhelds) soared past 300k units, a retail source has told MCV. Home console sales in the UK are at this point double were they were at the same stage in 2013, although the handheld market is down by almost a third.

Both the PS4 and Xbox One saw sales double week-on-week, with Xbox One again just edging ahead of its rival.

This continues Xbox One’s recent momentum, which has seen it reach 1m sales in the UK a little over 2m months after PS4 did the same, although it falls short of the barnstorming victory Microsoft’s machine apparently saw in the US over the weekend.

The gap between Xbox One and PS4 continues to narrow, with Xbox One deals a more visible presence than either PS4 or Wii U both on the High Street and online this weekend.

A console is a failure if it doesn't live up to the expectations of the manufacturer.

As for your last sentence.....even gamers can admit when something fails. The Dreamcast I wouldn't say was a failure. Sega just didn't have the money to stay in the hardware business.

@b4x: In all honesty I don't know what you are blathering on about since that has nothing to do with my post.

Beating a system that is breaking record sales numbers. Does not constitute a failure.

This gen is early. No matter how guys want to doom and gloom it.

PS3 was a train wreck at launch for several years. With horrible sales numbers.

Was it a failure selling 70+ million consoles in the end?

It most certainly is enough. Hell, a thousand people is enough.

The problem comes down to picking the sample. If they didn't do that right then no amount of people would ever be correct for a sample.

Way to miss the point of my post. Put your fan boy emotions aside and read what I said. I haven't passed judgment on whether or not MS' console was a failure. That would depend on the manufacturer's expectations.....the very essence of my post....and was not assigned solely to one console nor brand.

The xbox one also beat the PS4 last black Friday as well,it mean nothing,hell the xbox one beat the PS4 in December NPD again it means nothing...

Is as useless as MS claiming they had the fastest selling console in November last year which was a total joke.

Yep there is no shame in selling 138k after launch because they basically have no units to sell if they would have 2 millions they would have sold them the demand was there,sony didn't have enough PS4 to sell that is all.

The lack of multi-plats on the WiiU is the thorn. Still it's a great system for it's fans.

Yeah the numbers are not so great / bad.

That does not make it a failure. Is it a failure for Nintendo? Probably / Yes.

The X1 being at close to 10 million sold to retailers is not a failure. No matter how you try to spin it.

The PS4 is just in beast mode. Considering the last gen was 7-8 years and only reached 70+ million for both the X360 and PS3.

You do the math.

LMAO

Because NPD and maybe U.K. is the only chance Lems have of ever claiming a victory this gen. We already know that PS4 is going to spank the Xbox globally.

LOL how did i miss this haha

November 2014 NPD [OT] The Xbox is literally drinking it's own pee to survive.

Just came in here to witness the usual cows trying to deflect the Xbox One's incredible Black Friday.

Going to leave now.

when will the NDP be revealed?

im sick of cows talking show me the numbers get the hell out

PR should be out soon.

It will be interesting to say the least.

Same day as every month for the past month the 13th-14th?

PR will hit before then though.

lol looks like a lem jumped the gun with the infoscout numbers. Woops. Classic. There's a sort of desperation there too because anyone who is anyone knows that MS have Nov in the bag.

I've also changed my view on the upcoming NPD. I was getting bored with PS4 dominating because it makes things boring on the warring boards and slamming lems down left and right gets old when it becomes too easy. So, I was actually rooting for MS to gain an NPD just so it will mix it up a bit, but now seeing lems being sick all over them selves and salivating uncontrollably at the thought of gaining one I kinda want the PS4 to win now because it seems the most unlikely outcome, but holy shit the melt downs will be glorious.

MS winning NPD now seems boring in comparison because it's expected.

Crow bet activated:

PS4 will win Nov NPD but it will be so amazingly close but PS4 coming out on top is like pushing the lems back underwater just as they've came up for air lol.

USA is mainly pc/xbox

Europe is mainly ps4

who do you gamers trust more usa or some euros who don't even game on pc at all?

vote of no confidence

I agree we should wait for the NPD....Lems have been tricked too many times.

180,000 is WAY beyond what any survey typically goes for, even other surveys that attempt to track habits of the typical American in a wide variety of other areas. With a number that large, even out of 300 million, they can estimate with near 100% certainty the buying habits of everyone else with a margin of error less than half a percent. The number of survey respondents is just so big that even an increase or decrease of tens of thousands in either direction doesn't change the end result much. You'd be correct if you were talking about much smaller numbers.

Accuracy, in this case, goes to hell if the sample isn't representative of the population (at that point it might as well not even be "accuracy"). That's the only issue here. They didn't take receipts from 180,000 random shoppers. They took 180,000 receipts from InfoScout respondents who very well might not be representative of the average American shopper.

Gryllsbox One.

I was pretty disappointed the Xbox 360 wasn't cheaper this black Friday. I saw a $200 bundle that came with 2 COD games, which would have been fine if I had an interest in either of the games. $200 is just too much for a dead console, though. They should be $100 soon.

How can the xbox one narrow the gap when world wide the PS4 still selling more,bragging about US and UK is even less relevant now that it was last gen,even more now that the PS4 outsell the XBO like 6 to 1 in countries like Germany and Spain and several others,and in Japan the XBO is dead on arrival even worse than the 360 was.

If i have a 100 advantage over you and you sold 90 and i sold 99 that gap is never going to close.

Black friday mean shit in sales is basically a blip in something much bigger.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames

Don't believe me.? Here is Amazon best selling of 2014 so far this cover from January 1 to December 1 PS4 at spot 4,PS4 at spot 27 the xbox one first entry is at spot 43...lol

The PS4 has 2 sku on the top 30 and the xbox one doesn't even have one on the top 40,and that spot 4 is basically the reality of this years of sales,Black friday mean shit.

Funny how you say it is going to be interesting,because some news claim the xbox one is doing better,but on last NPD your damage controls is out of the charts blackace,and you basically try to damage control the xbox one losing again with Drive Club problem,come on be a damn man and claim the xbox one won if you win claim you stated it if you loss take it like a man blackace..

Nop...

They can present it "precise" to those degrees with a very tiny margin of error. It's more like "XB1 30% +- 0.3%, X360 20% +- 0.3%, etc. etc.). Very tiny numbers, and something most survey sites will put in fine print somewhere in the article rather than make their charts look more confusing. And of course no sample is 100% accurate. The only 100% accurate survey for the American population would be if they surveyed all 300+ million Americans, but with a number large enough (in this case 180k) they can get so close that it'd be so extremely unlikely that the actual result does not match the predicted result, and even if it doesn't match exactly, it won't be far off.

But yes. The fatal flaw is whether or not the sample is actually representative of the average American shopper, how many of the 180k shoppers actually purchased a console, and whether or not they tracked all stores. It'd be like using Fox News viewers as a representative sample of the normal American voter. Even if they sampled all 2 million prime time Fox viewers, it'd still be terribly inaccurate.

When the games on both systems keep flopping, u gotta turn to shitty sales threads.

and now you're covered in it as well. Thanks for dropping by.

ur late as ****, shut up.

@tormentos: You honestly think I'm blackace?

Please explain how your mind can come to that conclusion? Considering you're the only person on this board that thinks this.

When you can't debate me.... your mind Bi-Polars up and uses another persons post history / information to counter mine.

Tell me how that works?

If you think this, ask an admin to do an IP test on both of us for geographic locations.

Pretty easy.

Your posting stile is 100% basically the same as Blackace if you are not him god all mighty you are hes twin loss brother and i mean that literally.

You both claim to be gamers for endless years to prove you are right.

You both claim to be Manticore that own all systems,yet we all know you both are die hard lemmings.

You do the same gift attacks when corner.

You do the same meltdowns in the same way when anything bad about the xbox is say.

You both have attack me with racist crap.

And the last one basically confirmed you and him are the same.

On October NPD he was a total miss from the thread,but you were there downplaying how the xbox one got its ass kick by the PS4 by using Drive Club online problems,which were totally irrelevant to the thread.

Then a few days latter Media Create sales come in and you are miss on that thread but Blackace show up,and boy he showed up with the same shit argument you did,using Drive Club to downplay PS4 sales in Japan..

It is clear by now that you and him are the same dude.

Is never to late to make fun of a moron.

he's not the only one, many people have told you you are blackace, both are incredibly stupid, tend to have meltdowns, have the maturity of a 12 year old and argue with stupid nonsense, and let's not forget the broken english, is like seeing a 5 yo try to write, i mean, even i cringe and english is not my primary language. There you go.

In all honesty, it's not the Cows who have anything to be upset about with this utterly ludicrous price slashing and bundling with the XBone. The PS4 has been utterly dominating the world for the past year. Letting go of one or two months won't really hurt the Cows in the grand scheme of things.

The Sheep, on the other hand, got royally fucked hard. Nintendo really needed to make as big a splash as possible with Smash Brothers and everything else they came out with this year to make the WiiU alluring for shoppers and third party support. Instead, MS went all fucking nuts in panic mode and probably did more damage to Nintendo than anyone is willing to admit.

Real talk. The Sheep should be furious, but their hatred of Playstation runs deep so they aren't seeing the forest for the trees right now.

Why would sheep hate cows? You got it backwards...cows hate everyone that isn't a cow. Cows hate everything NOT PS. Truth

You completely missed the point.

@Shewgenja:

Tru sheep are still stuck hating on Sony like it's 1997.

Not really. I didn't really care for your post. I was just focusing on that last sentence.

Pretty easy.

Apparently not.

Your posting stile is 100% basically the same as Blackace if you are not him god all mighty you are hes twin loss brother and i mean that literally.

Really considering the context of our posts are nothing a like. His stances are different than mine.

You both claim to be gamers for endless years to prove you are right.

Two people on a planet of 7 billion that claim to play games for a long time. Solid evidence there.

You both claim to be Manticore that own all systems,yet we all know you both are die hard lemmings.

Hey man I have admitted to actually liking Microsoft Windows and the Xbox brand more than the others. They offer a better service. IMO

You do the same gift attacks when corner.

Have you ever thought the things that you say on here...... like this horseshit. Cause those gifs?

You do the same meltdowns in the same way when anything bad about the xbox is say.

So when dumbasses on here that don't even own the console in question, base their facts around 2nd hand knowledge, fud, and hyperbole. I call it out. /dealwithit

You both have attack me with racist crap.

So you think being called Puerto Rican... is Racist? You're from Puerto Rico. What else would I call a person from Puerto Rico. Puerto Ricans are a mixture of several different races. Spanish, Portuguese, African, White, and possibly Mayan. How could I even attempt to classify you as a specific race. The real question here.. How do you, and why do you take being called Puerto Rican as a bad thing? I would be proud of whatever Human race I was on this planet .

And the last one basically confirmed you and him are the same.

How...? To even pull the race card during a debate about the people of your island receiving funding is a slap in the face to all your ancestors before you. That's the question you should ask yourself. Why you would even take offense in the first place? You're not ashamed of your ancestors? Are you?

On October NPD he was a total miss from the thread,but you were there downplaying how the xbox one got its ass kick by the PS4 by using Drive Club online problems,which were totally irrelevant to the thread.

Then a few days latter Media Create sales come in and you are miss on that thread but Blackace show up,and boy he showed up with the same shit argument you did,using Drive Club to downplay PS4 sales in Japan..

I could care less about Japanese sales. That's why I'm never in those threads. One day in America constitutes for their entire yearly sales combined. With America buying 48% of all console hardware and merchandise. I'm from America.. Why would I be in a thread about Japanese sales? I have been in the UK threads.. correcting lies. I have no reason to be in a Japanese thread. Considering I have zero clue what goes on over there.

It is clear by now that you and him are the same dude.

It's clear in your mind that Anyone that Supports the Xbox or Microsoft are all the same. You lump them into one group and combine their post history and arguments. Then spread the wealth. Why do you think that is?

lol, Tormentos ur like the village idiot on here buddy. its even funnier because u don't even realize it XD

LOL pot meet kettle....

i'm so hurt right now. but please...proceed to spend far too much time on here while acting as if u have something on someone, lol smh.

also ur not really a poster on here that should be speaking up honestly. ur some joke poster that thinks he smarter than what he is. but no has seen u make a valid point once on here, ever -_-

Mwahahaha......if you think arguing over console choice is making valid points I've got some bad news for you.....

PS4 did so well in November they sold their early December stock too and now they're sold out. PS4 hype is 2stronk.

ur starting to get confused friend.

besides, i havent seen you say anything respectable about anything, ever, anyway lol. u just to pretend and act. as if you know more about whats going on in this "video game shit" than other people, but with very shallow arguments/points given.

its like you might have a point somewhere in there but your not capable of presenting it in a good enough way. i disregard you and your nonsense a lot on here. you seem to be into the things i say though...even with me not being that active of a poster on here. i seem to make a big impact some of you guys even with being an "idiot and moron", that's barely on here lol smh.

Clearly you are his Samot Tomas...

And you are the village cry baby...

Now your thread backfire and you claim something was lie when it wasn't.

I thought sales talk was a "cow thing"?