Well, after April NPD, we can make these conclusions about this gen.....

Ok, still in shock from NPD April numbers....As a major Sheeming (mostly sheep), I should be happy....and yet, I'm still STUMPPEd at the result. GTA Month....and the two HD console went DOWN instead of UP?!?!?!? WTFBBQSAUCE was my reaction...Well, after chewing on the numbers for a few days, all I gotta say are these conclusions from the month that, "decided everything!"

1. It's over! This gen is pretty much decided! Anyone who still think the PS3 or X360 has a chance is a blind fanboy!

So much for the fact, "this gen, all three will be on even ground"! Remember that back in 2006. Everyone thought basically that Sony will loose marketshare but all three will be tooth and nail within eachother with the PS3 eeking out a narrow win. but however, there will not be one console dominate the other like the PS2 did to the Xbox and GC.

Well warp back to 2008! After April. I'm not so sure anymore. If a game with super casual appeal like GTA can't move the X360 and PS3 a muscle and can't even put a dent in the Wii, all I gotta say the one console stomping the other two into the ground condition will last another gen at the least! By 2012, this is what I'm predicting!

U.S. Numbers at the end of 2012:

Wii: 50 million (at this rate, nothing gonna stop this juggernaut! Steamroller anyone?)

X360: 20 million

PS3: 15 million

Worldwide:

Wii: 130 million

PS3: 35 million

X360: 30 million (sorry, without Japan, X360 will not win world wide)

2. HD Gaming all that? Tell that to the general public!

Seriously! At this rate and the numbers on NPD, I think the only guys care about HD gaming for right now are the die hard lemmings and cows who are still screaming "TeH 1080P, TeH 720P" at the top of their lungs and ignoring anything else. but the thing is, does the general public care? Let me hear it general public?!?!?

**General Public Reaction** A big fat YAAAWWWNNN!!!

Truly, this is pathetic! If the general public really cared, they would've gone out and bought either the PS3 and X360 for GTA IV, a game with probably the most casual appeal and guess what? So much for that! Ever since the onslaught of the Wii, it just seems the general public has thrown HD and everything about it to the wayside! Even those that got into it with a HD TV knows so little about anything HD that it just want you to go, "FACE, meet palm! SLAP!" My parents for ex. "AHH OOHH WOOO!!! Watching tv on the new plasma is soo cool! Look at all the HD colors!" Me check out the channel, "Mom, dad, you do know you are watching regular channels on your new $10K plasma right?" Parents, "that can't be, look at the more vibrant colors and resolution. Something wrong with you!" Me, "Sigh, face meet palm!" SLAP!! Switch tv to the High Def channels! "Ok, try it now!" Parents reaction, "WTFBBQSAUCEFFFTHINGOFMAJIGGYYYY!!! What is going on?!?!?!?!?!?!" All this tells me this, "HD gaming may have started TOO EARLY!!!

3. This market is dominated by casuals!

Now, not saying that hardcore will be "TeH EnDzzz!" far from it! The hardcore is still a viable market and will always remain a viable market. Anyone who say it's going to die is delusional or just blind! But conversly, anyone who deny the power of the casuals is also delusional or just blind! Remember how we laughed at Nintendo when they tried to capture the casual market, "BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! TeH WiI iS TeH Kidd-Da! It Will-GA DeAd-GAdA!!! WiI TeH SuXSORrrZZZ! Ps# X#6) teH RoXSoRRZZZ!!!". Well, whose laughing now? Casuals have not only pushed the Wii hardware up the wazoo, but also it's software sales. Wii now have something like 26 million sellers with 13 of them third-party. Whose laughing now again? No wonder MS is ripping of Nintendo with their own Wiimote and trying to woo casuals with Viva and Banjo and Sony is desparately getting LBP out of the door! "OHH NoEs!!! The PS# X360 suxsoorrrzzz too right?" Well, guess what, if you want to break out of the 30-40 million units sold in your lifetime thing (as Sony and MS will do this gen), you gotta appeal to the casuals. Sticking you neck only in the hardcore market works...but it will limit what you going to do! Again if the so called, "teH HarDa-CordA" here say they are the most important, then why are both MS and Sony trying to woo the casuals?

4. The HD Market is Saturated

No Shaznit!!! Anybody looking at the April NPD number can tell this! Yea sure, GTA have been on the market for only 5 days (NPD calculation period for April extends three days into MAy), but it still gives us a good picture how well it will perform. Well, all it shows that the HD market right now is saturated in the U.S. and not even a game with super casual appeal like GTA can rescue it. It seems as even the casuals has dumped a game like GTA for something that's cheaper and more affordable...A game that last gen was what they cared the most about....which leads me to my next point...

5. HD Consoles in Serious Need of a Price Drop!

Yep, this is only thing that would breath life into the two HD consoles right now. Even at $300-$400, it's still too expensive to even garner a second look from the general public. Those who cared about HD gaming and cared abut X360 and PS3 have alrady bought them at the current price point. The rest? YAWN! Me want Wii or PS2!!!! Me could care less about what othe two!!! Well, the reason why is this. GTA IV again, has massive casual appeal, but in order for casual to play the game this time around, they will need to buy a X360 and PS3 for the game right? Well, guess what, the total price just came to about $400-$500 just to play one game! If you don't have a HD TV, good luck, another $1000 please! No WONDER many casual are staying away! The price of the two consoles need to come DOWN NOW!!! But the question right now is this, Can Sony and MS afford another price cut? Maybe that's another topic for another time....This leads to point number six...

**Ok, before I go one, let me put on my flame retardant suit and my flame shield caues I can already hear the stamped of angry cows**

**Put on Flame suite and Flame Shield**

6. I don't think MGS 4 will amount to anything....

Now will it sell good and push a few units? Sure. but will it have the effect that Cows hope it will? Keep on dreaming cows!

Now, the thing is, MGS 4 will probably be the first AAAE that the cows crave, it will be a console mover and it will be HUGE for the PS3! But throw that by the way side for the moment. GTA IV is far BIGGER than MGS will ever be and with a lot more casual appeal too! And in five days, it DID sold good, but moving consoles? Well, April NPD just showed PS3 and X360 numbers WENT DOWN instead off up on the release of one of their biggest, if not the biggest game release ever! So the lynch pin is, unless the PS3 drops in price to the casual sweet spot range, how do you think MGS 4, a game will less casual appeal do? If Sony doesn't drop price, the X360 will just go, "YAWN! Boring!" and the Wii....Wii reaction will be, **Put on Stomping Shoes**. **Put them on**. "Stomp, Stomp, STOMP!!!" "Yeah, just another day at the office curb stomping the competition to the ground!

My prediction right now for MGS4, For the month, 1 million in sales, move around 250K of PS3 at the max. that's it!...Which leads to point number 7...

7. Consumer Mindshare has Already been Made Up

Again, Fully expecting Cows and Lemming to go, "Bu...bu...BuT This gen just started. We still got plenty of time left! Well, BUT WHAT?!?!?!? Ever since 2006, all I've ever heard was, Nintendo will go third party soon. wii is a Fad, It will end at launch, then it will end next March, it will end in Summers, in will end by Christmas.....Now the thumping have become so common that despite what the die hard hard cores would still believe, the general consumers have decided. Wii wins for now. Unless something drastic happens, that's the way it goes. After getting years of being bombarded by how great the Wii is (you seen all the Wii Fit stuff on GMA and the Today Show yet?) , it's slowly starting to seep into the general consumer minds that, "Wii is the cool, HD stuff.....What is that?" And again, the price of the HD consoles doesn't help a bit. I have several co workers who are dying to play GTA IV but will not spend 400-500 dollars for one game. And the lynch-pin is, the longer MS and Sony wait, the longer the consumer mindshare of, "Wii the Roxsorzzz!!! HD....WTF is that?" will settle and take root even more, making the PS3 and X360 even harder to take root in the mind of casuals. Once that is truly settled.....Well, 130 million units sold in 2012 for the Wii anyone?

**Again, put on the flame shield and suit. Can hear cows and lemmings coming in, foaming at the mouth**

8. Next-Gen Effect. Cheaper, less technical consoles with some form of motion controls

No doubt about it. The stomping that Sony and MS are recieveing will no doubt change what they percieve as what work and what's not. One thing that will certainly go next round is the famous "Razor and Razor blade model". It's gone, kaput! Companies just got a face of cream pie from the Wii that they can't keep up with the "Let's make a console that's $500-$800, sell it at a huge loss and try to make it back on the software!" Nope! That model is gone! Sony and MS just got ran over by an M-1 Tank named Nintendo. They put all their efforts into making this technological masterpiece with the graphics, the physics, the HD the EVERYTHING. The fanbase, "OHH AHHH YEEEE OHH@@!! Foams at the mouth, me want, me want!" But the general consumer reaction, **Look at them a bit**. **Flips the bird and walks away!** "Who cares! Me want Wii. HD what is that? Ho Destroy? Xbox 360? Why does an Xbox running around in circles for? PS3? who did PostScript 3 times in an EMail? That's dumb! Ohh wait, there once was this great video machine named PS2....NAH! Can't be, the 'Real' PS3 can't suck this bad!" And there you go! MS and Sony look at Nintendo laughing all the way to the bank while they are holding their expensive achievements and going, "WHY THE HECK are we doing this?" Next round, max, all consoles will only be about 8x more powerful. Each will have some form of motion control (if rumor true, MS already are starting) . Any console that go beyond the $300 price point are just asking for it! Sorry "teH Harda-Corda" That's just the way it goes right now!

Anyway, read it or not! This is my conclusion after the shocker that was April NPD!

Yep, all of those analysts really knew what they were talking about. :roll:

Pachter, quit your day job and return that hdtv lobby money you received. ;)

I would argue that anyone who gauges a consoles worth on sales alone is either a fanboy or a company executive. I judge a system's worth in games.

And before you start in with the "Wii has games" thing, I know. I own all the systems this generation, and enjoy them all. Just saying that console sales is a poor way to judge a system from a gamer's POV.

I would argue that anyone who gauges a consoles worth on sales alone is either a fanboy or a company executive. I judge a system's worth in games.

And before you start in with the "Wii has games" thing, I know. I own all the systems this generation, and enjoy them all. Just saying that console sales is a poor way to judge a system from a gamer's POV.

SpruceCaboose

In defense April was a four week acounting period instead of a five like March. Plus I'm going to throw this out there for consideration. Most likely most of the 2.8 million that did buy GTA4 in the first 5 days probably already owned a 360 or PS3 so that can acount for the low hardware numbers.

So, 50 million useless imo consoles will be sold, you think that means much ?

You think all developers want to look like morons and destroy their games with PS1 like visuals, just to make them for Wii double userbase ?

When they can easilly keep their main best games on 360/PS3/PC, and give some crap to Wii that will still sell to the 49 million casuals out there

See, Wii has lost, by default and the day that crap was out, the fact that is selling i just self ownage, because every Wii owner that sees 360 or PS3 games will be like WTF ???? And throw their Wii out of the window

In defense April was a four week acounting period instead of a five like March. Plus I'm going to throw this out there for consideration. Most likely most of the 2.8 million that did buy GTA4 in the first 5 days probably already owned a 360 or PS3 so that can acount for the low hardware numbers.

books83

Yea, forgot to mention May will be the true test of everything! Sorry 'bout that.

But I'm not changing my stance! 5 days (NPD reporting period) is more than enough to let us gauge the sales! 5 days and no HD console movement at ALL is a major shocker! Especially when you got a major franchise like GTA IV! Yes, may will be the true litimus test but then again....May may well turn into Wii Fit month....You seen the Today Show or GMA yet?!?!? That will dilude the GTA effect and may even slice into MGS 4 as well! And, still as I've mentioned, the HD console pricing is still too expensive. I'm fully expecting HD console sales will sail up, but not by much (300K at most).

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I would argue that anyone who gauges a consoles worth on sales alone is either a fanboy or a company executive. I judge a system's worth in games.

And before you start in with the "Wii has games" thing, I know. I own all the systems this generation, and enjoy them all. Just saying that console sales is a poor way to judge a system from a gamer's POV.

Bigboi500

I wasn't a cow last generation, I am not a sheep this generation. I am a gamer.

Anyone can take whatever little pride they want from whatever insane and useless sources they can (and fanboys will). I will continue to enjoy the systems for the games that they provide me, not in how many consoles they sell in a month or which multiplat version has better resolutions.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I would argue that anyone who gauges a consoles worth on sales alone is either a fanboy or a company executive. I judge a system's worth in games.

And before you start in with the "Wii has games" thing, I know. I own all the systems this generation, and enjoy them all. Just saying that console sales is a poor way to judge a system from a gamer's POV.

SpruceCaboose

I wasn't a cow last generation, I am not a sheep this generation. I am a gamer.

Anyone can take whatever little pride they want from whatever insane and useless sources they can (and fanboys will). I will continue to enjoy the systems for the games that they provide me, not in how many consoles they sell in a month or which multiplat version has better resolutions.

Yea, forgot to mention May will be the true test of everything! Sorry 'bout that.

But I'm not changing my stance! 5 days (NPD reporting period) is more than enough to let us gauge the sales! 5 days and no HD console movement at ALL is a major shocker! Especially when you got a major franchise like GTA IV! Yes, may will be the true litimus test but then again....May may well turn into Wii Fit month....You seen the Today Show or GMA yet?!?!? That will dilude the GTA effect and may even slice into MGS 4 as well! And, still as I've mentioned, the HD console pricing is still too expensive. I'm fully expecting HD console sales will sail up, but not by much (300K at most).

StryderK

I wouldn't say that it didn't move consoles I honestly think we would of seen hardware numbers down more than what they were if GTA hadn't came out.

I agree with you, they just pissed me off so badly with that crap last gen and I guess I can see how sheep doing the same to others this gen is doing the same.Bigboi500

In all honesty, there are a few arguements I wish SW would just let die. One is sales, another is multiplat superiority, and the third is analyst/developer PR junk that gets taken as truth.

I would love if SW actually became a place of rational thought where games and systems were really and truly debated with real points and facts and not these "faux" arguements and the incredible amounts of bias and hate.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I agree with you, they just pissed me off so badly with that crap last gen and I guess I can see how sheep doing the same to others this gen is doing the same.SpruceCaboose

In all honesty, there are a few arguements I wish SW would just let die. One is sales, another is multiplat superiority, and the third is analyst/developer PR junk that gets taken as truth.

I would love if SW actually became a place of rational thought where games and systems were really and truly debated with real points and facts and not these "faux" arguements and the incredible amounts of bias and hate.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I agree with you, they just pissed me off so badly with that crap last gen and I guess I can see how sheep doing the same to others this gen is doing the same.SpruceCaboose

In all honesty, there are a few arguements I wish SW would just let die. One is sales, another is multiplat superiority, and the third is analyst/developer PR junk that gets taken as truth.

I would love if SW actually became a place of rational thought where games and systems were really and truly debated with real points and facts and not these "faux" arguements and the incredible amounts of bias and hate.

The causes and effects of high sales are fun to nitpick and "analyze."

I can say, for example, that while the Wii may not win this generation's best of the best games, Nintendo has put itself in a very strong position to take both games AND hardware next gen. As last gen owners grow into adulthood and a younger generation replaces them, the Wii will likely be a household name with far more name recognition than the Xbox or PlayStation brand names at the end of this generation. The PS2 rode largely on the PS1's success, and I think the Wii 2 will do the same with the Wii, assuming Nintendo capitalizes on their success and reaches out to third parties.

[QUOTE="StryderK"]

Yea, forgot to mention May will be the true test of everything! Sorry 'bout that.

But I'm not changing my stance! 5 days (NPD reporting period) is more than enough to let us gauge the sales! 5 days and no HD console movement at ALL is a major shocker! Especially when you got a major franchise like GTA IV! Yes, may will be the true litimus test but then again....May may well turn into Wii Fit month....You seen the Today Show or GMA yet?!?!? That will dilude the GTA effect and may even slice into MGS 4 as well! And, still as I've mentioned, the HD console pricing is still too expensive. I'm fully expecting HD console sales will sail up, but not by much (300K at most).

books83

I wouldn't say that it didn't move consoles I honestly think we would of seen hardware numbers down more than what they were if GTA hadn't came out.

True, traditionally, the months of April-July are pretty slow months in gaming in general. But still.....

This is GTA IV we are talking about! The franchise that sell in the tens of millions and move console up the wazoo when ever it hits! Cows and Lemmings had dog fights before release to see whose console sold the most! You'd think it could've at least moved 250K consoles for the X360 in that 5 day time span! Guess what? Less than 200K?!?!? WTF is going on here? All of this just scream at me that the general market consumer's mindshare have made up, the HD consoles needs a price drop fast and the general public right now could care less about HD in general! This does not bode well for MGS 4 at all!

I still think The wii is gonna sell some 60-80 million and the PS3 and xbox 40-50 million each.. I hope im right. omgimba

Based on current conditions, this won't happen.

The Wii is actually tracking higher than the PS2 when you compare both lifetime install base to date. The PS3 is actually tracking lower than the GC at the sametime. Unless something drastic changes, I just don't see it happening. Yes, haters can say "the fad" will end soon but that's being said at Wii's launch (wii will die in three months, trust me. Wii will die when Lair and Halo 3 releases, trust me. Wii will die by Christmas, trust me. Wii will die when GTA IV relleases, trust me. Now it's Wii will die because third-party games doesn't sell.....Trust me!) . But the thing is, all except DC (which btw, had one foot in the grave already when it launched), I never seen a "top dog" console just roll up and gone away almost 2 years in it's life. It's always a case of "taking the top spot and then just stomp the other guys flat to add insult to injury". The second and third place "winners" just have table scraps to feed on! And all the way until into 2009, I just don't see the Wii demand slow down enough to really affect anything and if the demand did slow down, Nintendo still got multi-colored Wii, Wii SPort and Wii Fit 2 and price cuts to jump start the demand again.....So by 2012, an install base of 130 million is entirely possible!

I dont understand how you can say microsoft and sony are taking a stomping. I'm pretty sure they've both been making profits. Where is this stomping coming from? Because Nintendo is making more money? Well obviously, their system is marketed to a much larger market. If their console wasn't doing good, that would mean they weren't doing a very good job at marketing the console. The 360 and ps3 are still doing quite well for themselves. Everyone console will continue selling, and Wii will obviously come out on the top of total hardware sales just because it appeals to a significantly larger market.

I'd rahter stick to my 360 though, I would call the wii boring. It just doesn't have what I'm looking for. Not to mention the embarassingly bad online capabilities in this day and age. 360 has the best online, and that is what I buy my console for, playing with my friends online.

Your arguments really make no sense to me. You just kind of give your own quotes about stuff, and then make emotions with *'s. You also overexagerate way too much.

I can't even begin to understand why you would waste your time to type all this.eonape

Well....Guess what.....This is what basically Sheep rationalized during the GC days. Yea, it will sell well, yea Nintendo will continue to make profit. Yea, we will get all the Nintendo 1st party games and a few third party gems like RE4. This is basically ME in 2003-2004......Until I looked at my PS2 and Xbox and realized just how much time I put into games like GTA III, VC, SA, FF, Halo, Ninja Gaiden, GOW etc..........Yep! The purple purse SUCKED!!!! I still love my Metriod Prime, RE4, and Animal Crossing. But compared to the time I spend on the GC to the PS2 and Xbox....It was no comparison.....I keep on rationalized because I'm a major sheep....but when reality finally stared at me in the face.....I realized it's time to abandon the sinking ship.....I sold my very first Nintendo console before it's time was up! Even during the N64 lean days I did not do that! So yea, say all of that all you want. 4 years later......I hope you don't get whacked like I did!

This is truly sad.

What if the next gen PS and Xbox systems take a step back and gear towards an audience like the Wii? What if they say damn with hardware, and go with a new style of gameplay and solely focus on that?

I really hope not, and I hope they continue in the direction they're going with HD gaming.

This is truly sad.

What if the next gen PS and Xbox systems take a step back and gear towards an audience like the Wii? What if they say damn with hardware, and go with a new style of gameplay and solely focus on that?

I really hope not, and I hope they continue in the direction they're going with HD gaming.

RotaryRX7

Well, guess what, this is what will DEFINATLY happen in the future becaues well....I do think imp that Sony and MS forgot what console is all about. Console have always been about GAMING at a "good enough" graphics at a cheap price. If you truly want hardcore top of the line, state of the art graphics, get a PC! Consoles will NEVER beat PC in terms of graphics. That's not their job! Their job is deliver top notch interactive entertainment at a stable (read 5-10 years, no upgrades, 5 years from now, pop in a PS3, X360 or Wii game into their respective machine, they will still work) far cheaper price. Multi-media? Again, leave that to the PCs! Console again, will NEVER EVER beat the PC in terms of multi media features....at least at an affordable price. The "Razor and the Razor blade" model of video game just got to shot to hell by Nintendo! Sony and Ms are taking notice. Like I've said in my original post. They shoved all the wasmathingmajiggy tech, the cell, the cores the graphix into their machines and guess what? Only their die hard fanbase bought them.....The general public reaction? **Look at the machines, gives the bird and walk over and picked up a Wii!**, leaving MS and Sony by the way side holding their machines out in the cold wondering just WTF they did it for!

This is truly sad.

What if the next gen PS and Xbox systems take a step back and gear towards an audience like the Wii? What if they say damn with hardware, and go with a new style of gameplay and solely focus on that?

I really hope not, and I hope they continue in the direction they're going with HD gaming.

RotaryRX7

Whats sad is taking the 2 days in April and 3 days in may that he is talking about and coming to the conclusion its not moving consoles. I don't know if it will or not. But the vast majority of people it will move consoles towards will be buying over the next several months.

We are talking about one of the biggest media launches in history that has only been tracked for about five days. People making broad stroke conclusions this early need to keep their wod a little longer.

Well, guess what, this is what will DEFINATLY happen in the future becaues well....I do think imp that Sony and MS forgot what console is all about. Console have always been about GAMING at a "good enough" graphics at a cheap price. If you truly want hardcore top of the line, state of the art graphics, get a PC! Consoles will NEVER beat PC in terms of graphics. That's not their job! Their job is deliver top notch interactive entertainment at a stable (read 5-10 years, no upgrades, 5 years from now, pop in a PS3, X360 or Wii game into their respective machine, they will still work) far cheaper price. Multi-media? Again, leave that to the PCs! Console again, will NEVER EVER beat the PC in terms of multi media features....at least at an affordable price. The "Razor and the Razor blade" model of video game just got to shot to hell by Nintendo! Sony and Ms are taking notice. Like I've said in my original post. They shoved all the wasmathingmajiggy tech, the cell, the cores the graphix into their machines and guess what? Only their die hard fanbase bought them.....The general public reaction? **Look at the machines, gives the bird and walk over and picked up a Wii!**, leaving MS and Sony by the way side holding their machines out in the cold wondering just WTF they did it for!

StryderK

I think thats a true statement that needed to be said. It wasn't that they just wanted HD graphics they both desinged the 360 and PS3 as a media center. That was what was at the core of both desings. Microsoft wanted to position the 360 as an extension of the PC and the upcoming age of downloadable media. Sony wanted the PS3 to be their end all entertaiment media center. Something that they can use to hook all of their entertaiment divisons to. They were banking on the fact that the PS2 has over a 100 million install base that they feel will go straight to the PS3 when its time.

[QUOTE="RotaryRX7"]

This is truly sad.

What if the next gen PS and Xbox systems take a step back and gear towards an audience like the Wii? What if they say damn with hardware, and go with a new style of gameplay and solely focus on that?

I really hope not, and I hope they continue in the direction they're going with HD gaming.

Coyo7e

Whats sad is taking the 2 days in April and 3 days in may that he is talking about and coming to the conclusion its not moving consoles. I don't know if it will or not. But the vast majority of people it will move consoles towards will be buying over the next several months.

We are talking about one of the biggest media launches in history that has only been tracked for about five days. People making broad stroke conclusions this early need to keep their wod a little longer.

Well, guess what, I hate shooting Cows and Lemmings dream to hell....

Halo 3, five days, moved a lot of consoles.....

This is the big one.....Wii take over at launch, sell all the way through 2007....Cows and Lemmings....."Come on, it's only a year, when XYZ game comes out, it will destroy the Wii!!!!!!!" Guess what? yea, you can see where I'm going with this!

Yea, I admitted that i forgot to mention that May will be the true litimus test. But even in five days, GTA couldn't even push hardware past 200K for the month is pretty shocking! Maybe becaues April is the slow month, maybe it's the price, maybe it's other factors. But for GTA not to even push hardware at all it seems in a five day span just tells you how.....i hate to use the word....DEAD HD consoles are in the mind of general consumers! I would love to be proven wrong by May's numbers but right now I'm now holdig out much hope for it. May could very well turn into "Wii Fit" month with the Wii splashing another 700-800K of hardware on the board.....X360 and PS3.....? I'm only expecting 300K for X360 and around 200L for PS3.......

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="RotaryRX7"]

This is truly sad.

What if the next gen PS and Xbox systems take a step back and gear towards an audience like the Wii? What if they say damn with hardware, and go with a new style of gameplay and solely focus on that?

I really hope not, and I hope they continue in the direction they're going with HD gaming.

StryderK

Whats sad is taking the 2 days in April and 3 days in may that he is talking about and coming to the conclusion its not moving consoles. I don't know if it will or not. But the vast majority of people it will move consoles towards will be buying over the next several months.

We are talking about one of the biggest media launches in history that has only been tracked for about five days. People making broad stroke conclusions this early need to keep their wod a little longer.

Well, guess what, I hate shooting Cows and Lemmings dream to hell....

Halo 3, five days, moved a lot of consoles.....

This is the big one.....Wii take over at launch, sell all the way through 2007....Cows and Lemmings....."Come on, it's only a year, when XYZ game comes out, it will destroy the Wii!!!!!!!" Guess what? yea, you can see where I'm going with this!

Yea, I admitted that i forgot to mention that May will be the true litimus test. But even in five days, GTA couldn't even push hardware past 200K for the month is pretty shocking! Maybe becaues April is the slow month, maybe it's the price, maybe it's other factors. But for GTA not to even push hardware at all it seems in a five day span just tells you how.....i hate to use the word....DEAD HD consoles are in the mind of general consumers! I would love to be proven wrong by May's numbers but right now I'm now holdig out much hope for it. May could very well turn into "Wii Fit" month with the Wii splashing another 700-800K of hardware on the board.....X360 and PS3.....? I'm only expecting 300K for X360 and around 200L for PS3.......

There are 100's of little factors that, unless we all want to sit down and analyze them, come into play. You don't think things that have nothing to do with gaming make a MASSIVE impact? Four dollars a gallon for gas and the price of almost every service going up as a result is a big deal. People are running out of disposable income. A cheaper console looks a lot more appealing.

You come off as just a sheep that is jumping on anything that will support you already set perspective.

The other two consoles will not catch the Wii hardware, I just do not see how they can. I mean, who knows, anything can happen in two years. That's great Ninty is doing well with the Wii, but I do not think its really cutting into Sony or MS. Those two are cannibalizing each other while the Wii is expanding the market and finding itself as part of a two (or more) console duo for gamers.

I do not know how to feel about my ps3 at this point, but the 360 is all about games. There are tons of good to great games for the system. Its making a profit and selling a ton of software.

The Wii will be fine when you look at hardware and software sales. But the Wii is running out of what you claim gaming is all about, games to talk about. The honeymoon it enjoyed is already over.

Talk about what you claim to say gaming is all about, the games. Other then Fatal Frame 4 there is zero on the Wii I am even aware of. And as someone who does not like SSBB or Mario Kart the last game I purchased for the Wii was NMH. A game that I found lacking.

The Wii is falling short where it counts, games.

All PS3 and 360 need is a price drop. I still love how Nintendo fanboys still brag about selling more when its simple economics that if you have 3 items of similar purpose the cheapest will sell most (Wii), the next cheapest second (360), and the third third (PS3). If every console had been on an even pricing I would love to see those results. 360 is affordable if you want no hardrive, and PS3 is semi-affordable if you don't want BC. Microsoft and Sony should have never muddled around with multiple SKUs and released at a lower pricing point. Except for this gen the previous two gens I was into gaming I waited untill each console hit $200 to buy which didn't take long, but Sony and M$ are taking forever. Industry analysts are saying your not going to sell at this point so get over it and drop the price and maybe I'll pick up a PS3. And if Wii wants to maintain such a strong lead it will need to follow suit with a price drop. Hell I was disspointed with Nintendo two gens in a row but I'd buy a $150 Wii in a heartbeat.Ket87

I don't think it's that simple anymore.....

There is this thing called consumer mindshare.....

Now for the sheep, Lemming and Cows, we all know what their "mindshare" is like, i.e. buy their respecitive machines that they defend to their unholy death even if it doesn't make sense at all. Trust me, I should know because I defend that piec o' crap named the GC for quite awhile until rational thoughts kicked in (i.e. it sucked!). But the general consumer, ie the public?

That's harder to pin. The general consumers have no set mindshare on any console. They are just about as likely to like your console as turn their back on it! Read N64 and PS3.....Nintendo thought they can capitalize on the SNES success. Same with Sony. They thought they can capitalize on the PS2 and the PS2 consumers will easily transfer to the PS3.....Well, so much for that! The PS2 consumers are transfer alright....Right to the Wii instead of the PS3!

And that's the whole kitten kaboodle for MS and Sony right now. IMO, if MS and Sony drops, they will pick up alright.....for all the good 3-4 months that the effect will last.....then it's back to the same ol' same ol'! Why? The general consumer mindshare right now is, as I've said in the original post is, "We want Wii....HD What is that? X360 and PS3? What is that?" After being bombarded years by how good the Wii is (See Wii Fit on GMA and Today Show yet?), it's slowly seeping into the consumer mind that the wii "The Cool, roxsors!" PS3 and X360...again, "What is that?" The longer MS and Sony wait...the longer that effect will settle and the harder that any price drop from Sony or MS will have a lasting effect. Arcade is only $30 more expensive then the Wii....Yet, nothing doing it! Same with the PS2 with Xbox and GC. Xbox drops to $200......Nothing. Consumer still picked the PS2 as "their" machine! GC drops to $99. Did good vs. Xbox for like 3 months.....Then went back to the same ol' same ol'. Why? Because by that time, consumer mindshare have already made up....GC sucks....no dice Nintendo! If MS and Sony keep this up......Samething!.....We like TeH Wii.....See PS3 and X360, Flips them the bird, go and buy the Wii instead!

[QUOTE="Ket87"]All PS3 and 360 need is a price drop. I still love how Nintendo fanboys still brag about selling more when its simple economics that if you have 3 items of similar purpose the cheapest will sell most (Wii), the next cheapest second (360), and the third third (PS3). If every console had been on an even pricing I would love to see those results. 360 is affordable if you want no hardrive, and PS3 is semi-affordable if you don't want BC. Microsoft and Sony should have never muddled around with multiple SKUs and released at a lower pricing point. Except for this gen the previous two gens I was into gaming I waited untill each console hit $200 to buy which didn't take long, but Sony and M$ are taking forever. Industry analysts are saying your not going to sell at this point so get over it and drop the price and maybe I'll pick up a PS3. And if Wii wants to maintain such a strong lead it will need to follow suit with a price drop. Hell I was disspointed with Nintendo two gens in a row but I'd buy a $150 Wii in a heartbeat.StryderK

I don't think it's that simple anymore.....

There is this thing called consumer mindshare.....

Now for the sheep, Lemming and Cows, we all know what their "mindshare" is like, i.e. buy their respecitive machines that they defend to their unholy death even if it doesn't make sense at all. Trust me, I should know because I defend that piec o' crap named the GC for quite awhile until rational thoughts kicked in (i.e. it sucked!). But the general consumer, ie the public?

That's harder to pin. The general consumers have no set mindshare on any console. They are just about as likely to like your console as turn their back on it! Read N64 and PS3.....Nintendo thought they can capitalize on the SNES success. Same with Sony. They thought they can capitalize on the PS2 and the PS2 consumers will easily transfer to the PS3.....Well, so much for that! The PS2 consumers are transfer alright....Right to the Wii instead of the PS3!

And that's the whole kitten kaboodle for MS and Sony right now. IMO, if MS and Sony drops, they will pick up alright.....for all the good 3-4 months that the effect will last.....then it's back to the same ol' same ol'! Why? The general consumer mindshare right now is, as I've said in the original post is, "We want Wii....HD What is that? X360 and PS3? What is that?" After being bombarded years by how good the Wii is (See Wii Fit on GMA and Today Show yet?), it's slowly seeping into the consumer mind that the wii "The Cool, roxsors!" PS3 and X360...again, "What is that?" The longer MS and Sony wait...the longer that effect will settle and the harder that any price drop from Sony or MS will have a lasting effect. Arcade is only $30 more expensive then the Wii....Yet, nothing doing it! Same with the PS2 with Xbox and GC. Xbox drops to $200......Nothing. Consumer still picked the PS2 as "their" machine! GC drops to $99. Did good vs. Xbox for like 3 months.....Then went back to the same ol' same ol'. Why? Because by that time, consumer mindshare have already made up....GC sucks....no dice Nintendo! If MS and Sony keep this up......Samething!.....We like TeH Wii.....See PS3 and X360, Flips them the bird, go and buy the Wii instead!

Anyone buying a new TV today or in the near future, unless under some extraordinary circumstance, will purchase an HDTV. By the end of 2009 all SDTV will need an adapter or access to a digital signal to even receive a signal, as required by the FCC.

Talking about HD like it is some unknown is insane. People know. I can't watch TV without viewing a dozen adds from either a dish or cable network claiming they offer more HD then the other guy. Best Buy and just about any advertiser talk about their HD selection.

The HD era is in fact already here.

Best Buys around here carry maybe four or five models of SDTV, everything else, the entire store, is HD.

[QUOTE="StryderK"]

[QUOTE="Ket87"]All PS3 and 360 need is a price drop. I still love how Nintendo fanboys still brag about selling more when its simple economics that if you have 3 items of similar purpose the cheapest will sell most (Wii), the next cheapest second (360), and the third third (PS3). If every console had been on an even pricing I would love to see those results. 360 is affordable if you want no hardrive, and PS3 is semi-affordable if you don't want BC. Microsoft and Sony should have never muddled around with multiple SKUs and released at a lower pricing point. Except for this gen the previous two gens I was into gaming I waited untill each console hit $200 to buy which didn't take long, but Sony and M$ are taking forever. Industry analysts are saying your not going to sell at this point so get over it and drop the price and maybe I'll pick up a PS3. And if Wii wants to maintain such a strong lead it will need to follow suit with a price drop. Hell I was disspointed with Nintendo two gens in a row but I'd buy a $150 Wii in a heartbeat.Coyo7e

I don't think it's that simple anymore.....

There is this thing called consumer mindshare.....

Now for the sheep, Lemming and Cows, we all know what their "mindshare" is like, i.e. buy their respecitive machines that they defend to their unholy death even if it doesn't make sense at all. Trust me, I should know because I defend that piec o' crap named the GC for quite awhile until rational thoughts kicked in (i.e. it sucked!). But the general consumer, ie the public?

That's harder to pin. The general consumers have no set mindshare on any console. They are just about as likely to like your console as turn their back on it! Read N64 and PS3.....Nintendo thought they can capitalize on the SNES success. Same with Sony. They thought they can capitalize on the PS2 and the PS2 consumers will easily transfer to the PS3.....Well, so much for that! The PS2 consumers are transfer alright....Right to the Wii instead of the PS3!

And that's the whole kitten kaboodle for MS and Sony right now. IMO, if MS and Sony drops, they will pick up alright.....for all the good 3-4 months that the effect will last.....then it's back to the same ol' same ol'! Why? The general consumer mindshare right now is, as I've said in the original post is, "We want Wii....HD What is that? X360 and PS3? What is that?" After being bombarded years by how good the Wii is (See Wii Fit on GMA and Today Show yet?), it's slowly seeping into the consumer mind that the wii "The Cool, roxsors!" PS3 and X360...again, "What is that?" The longer MS and Sony wait...the longer that effect will settle and the harder that any price drop from Sony or MS will have a lasting effect. Arcade is only $30 more expensive then the Wii....Yet, nothing doing it! Same with the PS2 with Xbox and GC. Xbox drops to $200......Nothing. Consumer still picked the PS2 as "their" machine! GC drops to $99. Did good vs. Xbox for like 3 months.....Then went back to the same ol' same ol'. Why? Because by that time, consumer mindshare have already made up....GC sucks....no dice Nintendo! If MS and Sony keep this up......Samething!.....We like TeH Wii.....See PS3 and X360, Flips them the bird, go and buy the Wii instead!

Anyone buying a new TV today or in the near future, unless under some extraordinary circumstance, will purchase an HDTV. By the end of 2009 all SDTV will need an adapter or access to a digital signal to even receive a signal, as required by the FCC.

Talking about HD like it is some unknown is insane. People know. I can't watch TV without viewing a dozen adds from either a dish or cable network claiming they offer more HD then the other guy. Best Buy and just about any advertiser talk about their HD selection.

The HD era is in fact already here.

Best Buys around here carry maybe four or five models of SDTV, everything else, the entire store, is HD.

No, people DON'T know what HD is, but you're right. Since retailers will be compelled to sell digital TVs, the vast majority of TVs sold post-2009 will be HDTVs.

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="RotaryRX7"]

This is truly sad.

What if the next gen PS and Xbox systems take a step back and gear towards an audience like the Wii? What if they say damn with hardware, and go with a new style of gameplay and solely focus on that?

I really hope not, and I hope they continue in the direction they're going with HD gaming.

Coyo7e

Whats sad is taking the 2 days in April and 3 days in may that he is talking about and coming to the conclusion its not moving consoles. I don't know if it will or not. But the vast majority of people it will move consoles towards will be buying over the next several months.

We are talking about one of the biggest media launches in history that has only been tracked for about five days. People making broad stroke conclusions this early need to keep their wod a little longer.

Well, guess what, I hate shooting Cows and Lemmings dream to hell....

Halo 3, five days, moved a lot of consoles.....

This is the big one.....Wii take over at launch, sell all the way through 2007....Cows and Lemmings....."Come on, it's only a year, when XYZ game comes out, it will destroy the Wii!!!!!!!" Guess what? yea, you can see where I'm going with this!

Yea, I admitted that i forgot to mention that May will be the true litimus test. But even in five days, GTA couldn't even push hardware past 200K for the month is pretty shocking! Maybe becaues April is the slow month, maybe it's the price, maybe it's other factors. But for GTA not to even push hardware at all it seems in a five day span just tells you how.....i hate to use the word....DEAD HD consoles are in the mind of general consumers! I would love to be proven wrong by May's numbers but right now I'm now holdig out much hope for it. May could very well turn into "Wii Fit" month with the Wii splashing another 700-800K of hardware on the board.....X360 and PS3.....? I'm only expecting 300K for X360 and around 200L for PS3.......

There are 100's of little factors that, unless we all want to sit down and analyze them, come into play. You don't think things that have nothing to do with gaming make a MASSIVE impact? Four dollars a gallon for gas and the price of almost every service going up as a result is a big deal. People are running out of disposable income. A cheaper console looks a lot more appealing.

You come off as just a sheep that is jumping on anything that will support you already set perspective.

The other two consoles will not catch the Wii hardware, I just do not see how they can. I mean, who knows, anything can happen in two years. That's great Ninty is doing well with the Wii, but I do not think its really cutting into Sony or MS. Those two are cannibalizing each other while the Wii is expanding the market and finding itself as part of a two (or more) console duo for gamers.

I do not know how to feel about my ps3 at this point, but the 360 is all about games. There are tons of good to great games for the system. Its making a profit and selling a ton of software.

The Wii will be fine when you look at hardware and software sales. But the Wii is running out of what you claim gaming is all about, games to talk about. The honeymoon it enjoyed is already over.

Talk about what you claim to say gaming is all about, the games. Other then Fatal Frame 4 there is zero on the Wii I am even aware of. And as someone who does not like SSBB or Mario Kart the last game I purchased for the Wii was NMH. A game that I found lacking.

The Wii is falling short where it counts, games.

Again, yes, there are other factors like economy and stuff. But despite all that, explain the Wii's numbers for me? Cause it seems to me the U.S. economy doesn't even have any effect on its sales. That's just goes to show you how farked up Sony and MS is this gen when they designed their consoles! Everyone and their grandma know that any console over the price of $300 is just asking for it! And guess what? MS went for $400....There go their casual market. Sony went even out of orbit with $600, shooting even their hardcore market to hell! Even right now, the price of their consoles are much too expensive for Casuals to adapot. If they only started at the Price of $300.....We wouldn't even be talking about the Wii right now would we? As I've sated on a previous post, Sony and MS FORGOT what CONSOLEs are all about, "fun interactive gaming at a 'good enough" graphics at an affortable price". Nintendo got this right, the other two didn't (Not to say I hate HD gaming. I love my X360 for my new LCD 1080P tv. But yet I do understand just how NICHE this market is!)

Not cutting? Read, Mad World, Read Conduit read the 8 R* games in development and who knows what else Nintendo is holding to their ches (which I imagine are a TON of games that MS and Sony better watch out for). The only thing you have right now is most of the killer "Core" titles are going to the X360 and PS3. But then again, if the Wii didn't sell this well, new original IPs like No More Heroes, Sadness and Mad World and Conduit will be going to other places.....And eventually, developers will look at the numbers and just kick themselves going, "Why didn't we give more attention to the Wii?" It's like me back in the GC days. Not going to bother, not going to bother, GC roxsorzzz!!!! Look at all the time I spend playing the PS2 and Xbox.......Come to the realization on just how awful GC truly was......You know what, I can fully see this happening. Cows and Lemming still defend their "core" titles down the line...."ohh, CoD, Halo, Resistance are the Roxzorzzz....TeH Wii the Suxsorzzz because they no "Core" games!!!" Look at Mad World! Mad World the Sux!!!! The "Core" TeH AWSOM!!!!! Look at more original IPs being produced for the Wii......Those games are the AWFULL!!! Core the GooD!!!! More IPs goes to the Wii......The Wii......Man, i really need to get a Wii to play these games!!!! I got hit by a ton of bricks just like this with the GC.......I have a feeling some Cows or Lemmings will get hit like a M-1 tank running over a silly car....

Running out of honeymoon?!?!?!?!?! Check April numbers.....Umm.....Houston, we have a problem.....That's right, I'm getting that "The Wii fad will end by XXXX date.....That date have already been pushed back since March of last year!"

Maybe should you look harder on the last part.......I won't name any games because games are seriously down to personal opinons. If you find the Wii lacking, put it up on Ebay so some desparate buyer can buy it and love it.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="StryderK"]

[QUOTE="Ket87"]All PS3 and 360 need is a price drop. I still love how Nintendo fanboys still brag about selling more when its simple economics that if you have 3 items of similar purpose the cheapest will sell most (Wii), the next cheapest second (360), and the third third (PS3). If every console had been on an even pricing I would love to see those results. 360 is affordable if you want no hardrive, and PS3 is semi-affordable if you don't want BC. Microsoft and Sony should have never muddled around with multiple SKUs and released at a lower pricing point. Except for this gen the previous two gens I was into gaming I waited untill each console hit $200 to buy which didn't take long, but Sony and M$ are taking forever. Industry analysts are saying your not going to sell at this point so get over it and drop the price and maybe I'll pick up a PS3. And if Wii wants to maintain such a strong lead it will need to follow suit with a price drop. Hell I was disspointed with Nintendo two gens in a row but I'd buy a $150 Wii in a heartbeat.mjarantilla

I don't think it's that simple anymore.....

There is this thing called consumer mindshare.....

Now for the sheep, Lemming and Cows, we all know what their "mindshare" is like, i.e. buy their respecitive machines that they defend to their unholy death even if it doesn't make sense at all. Trust me, I should know because I defend that piec o' crap named the GC for quite awhile until rational thoughts kicked in (i.e. it sucked!). But the general consumer, ie the public?

That's harder to pin. The general consumers have no set mindshare on any console. They are just about as likely to like your console as turn their back on it! Read N64 and PS3.....Nintendo thought they can capitalize on the SNES success. Same with Sony. They thought they can capitalize on the PS2 and the PS2 consumers will easily transfer to the PS3.....Well, so much for that! The PS2 consumers are transfer alright....Right to the Wii instead of the PS3!

And that's the whole kitten kaboodle for MS and Sony right now. IMO, if MS and Sony drops, they will pick up alright.....for all the good 3-4 months that the effect will last.....then it's back to the same ol' same ol'! Why? The general consumer mindshare right now is, as I've said in the original post is, "We want Wii....HD What is that? X360 and PS3? What is that?" After being bombarded years by how good the Wii is (See Wii Fit on GMA and Today Show yet?), it's slowly seeping into the consumer mind that the wii "The Cool, roxsors!" PS3 and X360...again, "What is that?" The longer MS and Sony wait...the longer that effect will settle and the harder that any price drop from Sony or MS will have a lasting effect. Arcade is only $30 more expensive then the Wii....Yet, nothing doing it! Same with the PS2 with Xbox and GC. Xbox drops to $200......Nothing. Consumer still picked the PS2 as "their" machine! GC drops to $99. Did good vs. Xbox for like 3 months.....Then went back to the same ol' same ol'. Why? Because by that time, consumer mindshare have already made up....GC sucks....no dice Nintendo! If MS and Sony keep this up......Samething!.....We like TeH Wii.....See PS3 and X360, Flips them the bird, go and buy the Wii instead!

Anyone buying a new TV today or in the near future, unless under some extraordinary circumstance, will purchase an HDTV. By the end of 2009 all SDTV will need an adapter or access to a digital signal to even receive a signal, as required by the FCC.

Talking about HD like it is some unknown is insane. People know. I can't watch TV without viewing a dozen adds from either a dish or cable network claiming they offer more HD then the other guy. Best Buy and just about any advertiser talk about their HD selection.

The HD era is in fact already here.

Best Buys around here carry maybe four or five models of SDTV, everything else, the entire store, is HD.

No, people DON'T know what HD is, but you're right. Since retailers will be compelled to sell digital TVs, the vast majority of TVs sold post-2009 will be HDTVs.

Or even now. But I argue they do know. When football season rolls around Best Buy and others will start the "get a new HDTV for football season and watch the games in style" campaign.

Even my second TV is HD now. I picked up a 32 inch Widscreen 720p TV for 450 dollars almost two full years ago. They are not expensive any longer.

Hell, the fed's have even started the awareness about the 2009 deadline with commercials instructing people who can not afford a new TV how to get a free digital adapter from the government.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="RotaryRX7"]

This is truly sad.

What if the next gen PS and Xbox systems take a step back and gear towards an audience like the Wii? What if they say damn with hardware, and go with a new style of gameplay and solely focus on that?

I really hope not, and I hope they continue in the direction they're going with HD gaming.

StryderK

Whats sad is taking the 2 days in April and 3 days in may that he is talking about and coming to the conclusion its not moving consoles. I don't know if it will or not. But the vast majority of people it will move consoles towards will be buying over the next several months.

We are talking about one of the biggest media launches in history that has only been tracked for about five days. People making broad stroke conclusions this early need to keep their wod a little longer.

Well, guess what, I hate shooting Cows and Lemmings dream to hell....

Halo 3, five days, moved a lot of consoles.....

This is the big one.....Wii take over at launch, sell all the way through 2007....Cows and Lemmings....."Come on, it's only a year, when XYZ game comes out, it will destroy the Wii!!!!!!!" Guess what? yea, you can see where I'm going with this!

Yea, I admitted that i forgot to mention that May will be the true litimus test. But even in five days, GTA couldn't even push hardware past 200K for the month is pretty shocking! Maybe becaues April is the slow month, maybe it's the price, maybe it's other factors. But for GTA not to even push hardware at all it seems in a five day span just tells you how.....i hate to use the word....DEAD HD consoles are in the mind of general consumers! I would love to be proven wrong by May's numbers but right now I'm now holdig out much hope for it. May could very well turn into "Wii Fit" month with the Wii splashing another 700-800K of hardware on the board.....X360 and PS3.....? I'm only expecting 300K for X360 and around 200L for PS3.......

There are 100's of little factors that, unless we all want to sit down and analyze them,come into play. You don't think things that have nothing to do with gaming make a MASSIVE impact? Four dollars a gallon for gas and the price of almost every service going up as a result is a big deal. People are running out of disposable income. A cheaper console looks a lot more appealing.

You come off as just a sheep that is jumping on anything that will support you already set perspective.

The other two consoles will not catch the Wii hardware, I just do not see how they can. I mean, who knows, anything can happen in two years. That's great Ninty is doing well with the Wii, but I do not think its really cutting into Sony or MS.Those two are cannibalizing each other while the Wii is expanding the market and finding itself as part of a two (or more) console duo for gamers.

I do not know how to feel about my ps3 at this point, but the 360 is all about games. There are tons of good to great games for the system. Its making a profit and selling a ton of software.

The Wii will be fine when you look at hardware and software sales. But the Wii is running out of what you claim gaming is all about, games to talk about. The honeymoon it enjoyed is already over.

Talk about what you claim to say gaming is all about, the games. Other then Fatal Frame 4 there is zero on the Wii I am even aware of. And as someone who does not like SSBB or Mario Kart the last game I purchased for the Wii was NMH. A game that I found lacking.

The Wii is falling short where it counts, games.

Again, yes, there are other factors like economy and stuff. But despite all that, explain the Wii's numbers for me? Cause it seems to me the U.S. economy doesn't even have any effect on its sales. That's just goes to show you how farked up Sony and MS is this gen when they designed their consoles! Everyone and their grandma know that any console over the price of $300 is just asking for it! And guess what? MS went for $400....There go their casual market. Sony went even out of orbit with $600, shooting even their hardcore market to hell! Even right now, the price of their consoles are much too expensive for Casuals to adapot. If they only started at the Price of $300.....We wouldn't even be talking about the Wii right now would we? As I've sated on a previous post, Sony and MS FORGOT what CONSOLEs are all about, "fun interactive gaming at a 'good enough" graphics at an affortable price". Nintendo got this right, the other two didn't (Not to say I hate HD gaming. I love my X360 for my new LCD 1080P tv. But yet I do understand just how NICHE this market is!)

Not cutting? Read, Mad World, Read Conduit read the 8 R* games in development and who knows what else Nintendo is holding to their ches (which I imagine are a TON of games that MS and Sony better watch out for). The only thing you have right now is most of the killer "Core" titles are going to the X360 and PS3. But then again, if the Wii didn't sell this well, new original IPs like No More Heroes, Sadness and Mad World and Conduit will be going to other places.....And eventually, developers will look at the numbers and just kick themselves going, "Why didn't we give more attention to the Wii?" It's like me back in the GC days. Not going to bother, not going to bother, GC roxsorzzz!!!! Look at all the time I spend playing the PS2 and Xbox.......Come to the realization on just how awful GC truly was......You know what, I can fully see this happening. Cows and Lemming still defend their "core" titles down the line...."ohh, CoD, Halo, Resistance are the Roxzorzzz....TeH Wii the Suxsorzzz because they no "Core" games!!!" Look at Mad World! Mad World the Sux!!!! The "Core" TeH AWSOM!!!!! Look at more original IPs being produced for the Wii......Those games are the AWFULL!!! Core the GooD!!!! More IPs goes to the Wii......The Wii......Man, i really need to get a Wii to play these games!!!! I got hit by a ton of bricks just like this with the GC.......I have a feeling some Cows or Lemmings will get hit like a M-1 tank running over a silly car....

Running out of honeymoon?!?!?!?!?! Check April numbers.....Umm.....Houston, we have a problem.....That's right, I'm getting that "The Wii fad will end by XXXX date.....That date have already been pushed back since March of last year!"

Maybe should you look harder on the last part.......I won't name any games because games are seriously down to personal opinons. If you find the Wii lacking, put it up on Ebay so some desparate buyer can buy it and love it.

Over all I think the Wii is was just a freaking brilliant move by Ninty from top to bottom. They captured peoples imagination with motion controls ( I don't think they add anything to games I like other then being different, not better). Ninty does not have the resources of either Sony or MS, they knew they could not afford to take a loss on every console sold for the first year, or field a system designed to compete directly with those two.

The Wii is kicking ass and taking names. In no small part do tot he family factor. American family's still want luxury's. But the nation is still in large part Conservative and short on cash. But the Wii is marketed as a console the entire family can enjoy ( just look at the adds) without corrupting the children, and it was a whole lot cheaper then the other two.

But Sony and MS are targeting the exact same twenty something male crowd, and fighting each other tooth and nail to do it. If either Sony or MS did not exist and there was only one going for that market. That 20 something male market would still probably outsell hardware compared to the Wii. Not to mention the fact that the PC is a true multi-media platform that has great games that appeal to that same market.

Ninty proved they are still brilliant and on top of their game. First by marketing the console and creating a console that just hit the right spot at the right time. Then by releasing games that get the entire family involved while still appealing to their hardcore base.

Ninty deserves props for an awesome move that saved them from oblivion after the GC. But this is not like any other generation of consoles. Sony and MS are still primed to successfully dominate the audience they target, and make a crap load of money.

Edit: and that was " the honeymoon with gamers is over" and it is. Because there are just no games to grab the attention of gamers on boards like these. As this year wears on it will only get worse. GTA was just the dagger. There is going to be a lot of buzz about Sony, MS, and PC games on every gaming board out there for the rest of the year while Nintendo falls silent with stuff like Wiifit and BoomBLox.

P.S. Also, hyping games like Conduit, that at this point look really, really bad, will backfire. A glance at the Wii's top selling games does not bode well for games that appeal to that 20 something male crowd. NMH flopped in sales, and so will any game like a "hardcore" FPS for the Wii.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="StryderK"]

[QUOTE="Ket87"]All PS3 and 360 need is a price drop. I still love how Nintendo fanboys still brag about selling more when its simple economics that if you have 3 items of similar purpose the cheapest will sell most (Wii), the next cheapest second (360), and the third third (PS3). If every console had been on an even pricing I would love to see those results. 360 is affordable if you want no hardrive, and PS3 is semi-affordable if you don't want BC. Microsoft and Sony should have never muddled around with multiple SKUs and released at a lower pricing point. Except for this gen the previous two gens I was into gaming I waited untill each console hit $200 to buy which didn't take long, but Sony and M$ are taking forever. Industry analysts are saying your not going to sell at this point so get over it and drop the price and maybe I'll pick up a PS3. And if Wii wants to maintain such a strong lead it will need to follow suit with a price drop. Hell I was disspointed with Nintendo two gens in a row but I'd buy a $150 Wii in a heartbeat.mjarantilla

I don't think it's that simple anymore.....

There is this thing called consumer mindshare.....

Now for the sheep, Lemming and Cows, we all know what their "mindshare" is like, i.e. buy their respecitive machines that they defend to their unholy death even if it doesn't make sense at all. Trust me, I should know because I defend that piec o' crap named the GC for quite awhile until rational thoughts kicked in (i.e. it sucked!). But the general consumer, ie the public?

That's harder to pin. The general consumers have no set mindshare on any console. They are just about as likely to like your console as turn their back on it! Read N64 and PS3.....Nintendo thought they can capitalize on the SNES success. Same with Sony. They thought they can capitalize on the PS2 and the PS2 consumers will easily transfer to the PS3.....Well, so much for that! The PS2 consumers are transfer alright....Right to the Wii instead of the PS3!

And that's the whole kitten kaboodle for MS and Sony right now. IMO, if MS and Sony drops, they will pick up alright.....for all the good 3-4 months that the effect will last.....then it's back to the same ol' same ol'! Why? The general consumer mindshare right now is, as I've said in the original post is, "We want Wii....HD What is that? X360 and PS3? What is that?" After being bombarded years by how good the Wii is (See Wii Fit on GMA and Today Show yet?), it's slowly seeping into the consumer mind that the wii "The Cool, roxsors!" PS3 and X360...again, "What is that?" The longer MS and Sony wait...the longer that effect will settle and the harder that any price drop from Sony or MS will have a lasting effect. Arcade is only $30 more expensive then the Wii....Yet, nothing doing it! Same with the PS2 with Xbox and GC. Xbox drops to $200......Nothing. Consumer still picked the PS2 as "their" machine! GC drops to $99. Did good vs. Xbox for like 3 months.....Then went back to the same ol' same ol'. Why? Because by that time, consumer mindshare have already made up....GC sucks....no dice Nintendo! If MS and Sony keep this up......Samething!.....We like TeH Wii.....See PS3 and X360, Flips them the bird, go and buy the Wii instead!

Anyone buying a new TV today or in the near future, unless under some extraordinary circumstance, will purchase an HDTV. By the end of 2009 all SDTV will need an adapter or access to a digital signal to even receive a signal, as required by the FCC.

Talking about HD like it is some unknown is insane. People know. I can't watch TV without viewing a dozen adds from either a dish or cable network claiming they offer more HD then the other guy. Best Buy and just about any advertiser talk about their HD selection.

The HD era is in fact already here.

Best Buys around here carry maybe four or five models of SDTV, everything else, the entire store, is HD.

No, people DON'T know what HD is, but you're right. Since retailers will be compelled to sell digital TVs, the vast majority of TVs sold post-2009 will be HDTVs.

Also forgot to mention consumer really need to educate themselves on how HD works.

Yes, HD tvs are what they sell mostly in electronic stores like Fry's or BB. But when general consumers takes them home.....That's another story!

Case example, my parents two years ago just bought a 10K plasma. Took it home, set it up and invite me to see it. "ohh look at the screen. watching channels in HD is so cool and stuff!" Me check the channel, "Umm mom, dad, you do know you are watching standard channels on your 10k tv right?" "umm, what, that aint true! Look at the awsome resolution and hd colors! Isn't this awsome!" "Give that remote!!!" Grabs remote from mom's hand and switch the channel to HD channels, "Try it now"! Parents reaction, "WTFBBQSAUCEMWHAT!!!!?!?!? Hey, what is going on!" My reaction, "Sigh, Face, meet palm!" SLAP!!!

Then I went, did you bought component cables for your DVD players. Parents, "Yes, you mean the three colored wires right, the red, white and yellow one!" Me, "SLAP! Face, meet palm again!" Took me two weeks to strighten them out! All of this reminds me a Nelson rating research done last year. Hopefully things had improved but it said that some 70% of the people who bought an HD TV didn't even know how to use HD channels and 65% who bought the PS3 didn't even know it had a Blu-Ray player! I was like WTF, if you didn't know what Blu-Ray is, then why did yuo just wasted $600? Then I remember my parents and all of the sudden, those data didn't seem so far feached...

So the point is, even by 2009, when HD adaptation becomes more widespread, it will probably be until 2010 or 2011 before the general public catches up with the hardcore tech and game heads! It will take THAT long before they gain enough knowledge of the HD to know how to use it properly. This is why I think Nintendo got it right that HD gaming today really isn't worth it. And next gen is where HD gaming will truly take off. Asking consumer now to pay $400 and then $1000 for an HD tv is well.....Yea, that wouldn't work. This is why IMO HD gaming this gen is more of a gimmick than even the Wiimote! Well, not for us hardcore mind you, but for the general public......

There is not a gamer, or even non gamer, 20 something or even thirty something alive that does not know what HD is. The market Sony and MS prize most.

Its a sad fact that males in our culture still make the most money. They are banking on not only these people in their 20's, but into the future, when theya re 40.

Ninty does not have the resources of either Sony or MS, they knew they could not afford to take a loss on every console sold for the first year, or field a system designed to compete directly with those two.

Coyo7e

the boss of Nintendo is now officially the richest man in Japan. Not to mention they took a huge gamble with the Wii and the DS

motion controls ( I don't think they add anything to games I like other then being different, not better).

Coyo7e

maybe you should play some games, because in many cases it adds immersion and in many cases the controls are just better.

for the rest of the year while Nintendo falls silent with stuff like Wiifit and BoomBLox.

Coyo7e

falls silent with wiifit?... it's sold out everywhere... and again.. it's pretty good... try it. the controls for the balance games are even... dare i say... perfect..

Mad world seems interesting

E3 is still to come by the way....

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Ninty does not have the resources of either Sony or MS, they knew they could not afford to take a loss on every console sold for the first year, or field a system designed to compete directly with those two.

Always-Honest

the boss of Nintendo is now officially the richest man in Japan. Not to mention they took a huge gamble with the Wii and the DS

motion controls ( I don't think they add anything to games I like other then being different, not better).

Coyo7e

maybe you should play some games, because in many cases it adds immersion and in mant cases the controls are just better.

for the rest of the year while Nintendo falls silent with stuff like Wiifit and BoomBLox.

Coyo7e

falls silent with wiifit?... it's sold out everywhere... and again.. it's pretty good... try it. the controls for the balance games are even... dare i say... perfect..

I have played a lot of Wii games. Sorry, I just do not agree with the immersion thing at all. The few times it came close, like turning a switch in MP3, it was almost an uncanny valley on control to me that just felt tacked on. Thats how I feel about it.

And yes, fall silent, you cut that quote in half missing the entire point. It is falling silent with gamers. Wiifit is nothing more then a joke on gaming boards.

He is NOW that rich. But Ninty was not in position to go head to head and take a loss on consoles and sell a 400 dollar console at launch when this generation started.

But that control things is just crap. I disagree and you acuse me of not playing games. Thats great it does it for you.

But stuff like dead space in FPS games, dead space that is needed otherwise the player would "fall of the scereen" as they turned and the Wiimote lost detection, just does not suit me or fly with me. I think its a little crappy to be honest.

I have played 4 Wii games from start to finished and 5 more in majority. So yes I have tryed it, and I do not really care for it. The best I can say is it never hurt a game. Its a good controller. But I get far more immersed from sound in a game, and the Wii does not even support sound as good as the XBox or PS2, no true surround sound.

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Coyo7e

Edit: and that was " the honeymoon with gamers is over" and it is. Because there are just no games to grab the attention of gamers on boards like these. As this year wears on it will only get worse. GTA was just the dagger. There is going to be a lot of buzz about Sony, MS, and PC games on every gaming board out there for the rest of the year while Nintendo falls silent with stuff like Wiifit and BoomBLox.

P.S. Also, hyping games like Conduit, that at this point look really, really bad, will backfire. A glance at the Wii's top selling games does not bode well for games that appeal to that 20 something male crowd. NMH flopped in sales, and so will any game like a "hardcore" FPS for the Wii.

Again, games is where the pit fall is because it's all subjected to personal tastes and opinions. You don't think Wii got the games. But for gamers like me, there are plenty of Wii games if you know where to look. Again, won't lists them because if those games don't appeal to you, all you gonna say is, "Yea, those are games, yea right!" and we will be going around in circles that leads to nowhere...fast!

Again, you might not see too much into Wii Fit but that's what people like you and me saw initially with Wii. You don't see games like MGS 4 on The Today Show and GMA do you? Even GTA IV won't be able to get publicities like this (if it did, it 's probably for the wrong reason lol)! This what Wii garnered and we all know what lead there did we? Same thing with Wii Fit. HELL! I need to buy three of them already! One for me and my wife, one for her parents, one for mine! SIGH!!!!!!! Not for gamers? Maybe! But then again, I know of plenty of Closet Pokemon gamers who say bad things about them in public but once they are in a private place.........Same thing I see with Wii Fit! Also, GTA IV....Unless Sony and MS drops their console to $200. I don't see the game throwing any daggers....IT's just too expensive for the casuals that the game needs to feed off of to buy. Many of them, like my fellow co workers would love to play the game (HELL, I told them enough times already, "NO, My X360 is not up for you to borrow!") , but the total price of $400 is just too much for them to get a X360 for just one game....However, if there ever is a GTA game for the Wii.......

Again, Conduit doesn't look good...for now...But I have guarded expectations. Again, most open minded gamers like me know what the Wii is all about! If you want HD gaming at its finest get a X360 and/or a PS3! If you want console gaming at what it suppose to be, then the Wii is more than fine. Again, I'm not hyping Conduit. I already got shot by Halo 3 and back in the GC dayz....Sigh, let's not mention that shall we. As for NMH, you can't judge Wii software sales that way! Suda and Ubisoft already said that NMH sales have already "surpassed expectations" and so did Capcom concerning Z&W! Not developing in HD alone probably save developers a bunch of money. Older tech too (Not splicing programs for duel coreing also saves alot of money and headaches). 500K (About what NMH sold worldwide) may not slice it on the X360 and the PS3, but it probably already earned kudo profits for Suda 51 (the game sold the most for Suda so far). So you can't really judge Wii software sales 1 vs 1 against the X360.

The few times it came close, like turning a switch in MP3, it was almost an uncanny valley on control to me that just felt tacked on.

Coyo7e

that was horribly tacked on. i mean wiisports and wiifit.. even in zelda TP it was far more immersive than with the gamecube controller.

and playing fps with the wiimote is more immersive than with a dual analog controller (though the graphics unfortunately suck ***)

And yes, fall silent, you cut that quote in half missing the entire point. It is falling silent with gamers. Wiifit is nothing more then a joke on gaming boards.

Coyo7e

because on these boards there are lots of insecure teenagers that don't want to be seen on this. wiifit is pretty darn good actually.

But I get far more immersed from sound in a game, and the Wii does not even support sound as good as the XBox or PS2, no true surround sound.

Coyo7e

sound is good enough. but could be better, i agree. sound is important.

He is NOW that rich. But Ninty was not in position to go head to head and take a loss on consoles and sell a 400 dollar console at launch when this generation started.

Coyo7e

they could just as easiley have designed a new gamecube with far more processing power. than we would have three almost the same consoles. i welcome the Wii with open arms. Don't get me wrong, i love the quality of games on 360 and ps3, but they are not really trying to push the industry forward... with three of these consoles the industry would fall flat on its *ss in the coming years i think..

but to each his own i guess.

Great. Another fanboy talking about how casuals are what matters and that we should all just give up our interest in large games, and that short, shallow, inexpensive and family friendly games are the future.

Great. Another fanboy talking about how casuals are what matters and that we should all just give up our interest in large games, and that short, shallow, inexpensive and family friendly games are the future.

Thompsonwhore

Nintendo don't believe in that either, but they do believe that games should not just focused at the hardcore but also cater to those who aren't gamers and find games too complex. Metroid Prime 3 still exist on the Wii and I would say that is far from a casual game.

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Great. Another fanboy talking about how casuals are what matters and that we should all just give up our interest in large games, and that short, shallow, inexpensive and family friendly games are the future.

shearMario

Nintendo don't believe in that either, but they do believe that games should not just focused at the hardcore but also cater to those who aren't gamers and find games too complex. Metroid Prime 3 still exist on the Wii and I would say that is far from a casual game.

I can't comment on Metroid Prime 3, as I've never played it. But from the footage I've seen of it, it's not exactly "hardcore".

If that's your example of how Nintendo caters to the "hardcore", I'm pretty unimpressed.

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Great. Another fanboy talking about how casuals are what matters and that we should all just give up our interest in large games, and that short, shallow, inexpensive and family friendly games are the future.

Thompsonwhore

Nintendo don't believe in that either, but they do believe that games should not just focused at the hardcore but also cater to those who aren't gamers and find games too complex. Metroid Prime 3 still exist on the Wii and I would say that is far from a casual game.

I can't comment on Metroid Prime 3, as I've never played it. But from the footage I've seen of it, it's not exactly "hardcore".

If that's your example of how Nintendo caters to the "hardcore", I'm pretty unimpressed.

How can you tell if a game is hardcore by just footage, I have played Prime all the way through and I'm 10 hours through prime 3 and its more hardcore than most games on 360 or PS3.

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"][QUOTE="shearMario"][QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

Great. Another fanboy talking about how casuals are what matters and that we should all just give up our interest in large games, and that short, shallow, inexpensive and family friendly games are the future.

shearMario

Nintendo don't believe in that either, but they do believe that games should not just focused at the hardcore but also cater to those who aren't gamers and find games too complex. Metroid Prime 3 still exist on the Wii and I would say that is far from a casual game.

I can't comment on Metroid Prime 3, as I've never played it. But from the footage I've seen of it, it's not exactly "hardcore".

If that's your example of how Nintendo caters to the "hardcore", I'm pretty unimpressed.

How can you tell if a game is hardcore by just footage, I have played Prime all the way through and I'm 10 hours through prime 3 and its more hardcore than most games on 360 or PS3.

Well, the only thing that I'm missing when watching footage is actually controlling it. I'd say I can form a rather solid opinion if we're only not taking that into account.

As for it being more hardcore than most titles on the 360 or PS3, I wouldn't doubt it. Then again those two consoles don't exactly have many games that are appealing to the hardcore themselves, so saying that Metroid Prime 3 is better than most, isn't really saying much.

If Nintendo or any third party got serious about putting an RPG to the caliber of say, Final Fantasy, then you could make an argument. But most FPS games are pretty basic in nature.

[QUOTE="shearMario"][QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"][QUOTE="shearMario"][QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

Great. Another fanboy talking about how casuals are what matters and that we should all just give up our interest in large games, and that short, shallow, inexpensive and family friendly games are the future.

Thompsonwhore

Nintendo don't believe in that either, but they do believe that games should not just focused at the hardcore but also cater to those who aren't gamers and find games too complex. Metroid Prime 3 still exist on the Wii and I would say that is far from a casual game.

I can't comment on Metroid Prime 3, as I've never played it. But from the footage I've seen of it, it's not exactly "hardcore".

If that's your example of how Nintendo caters to the "hardcore", I'm pretty unimpressed.

How can you tell if a game is hardcore by just footage, I have played Prime all the way through and I'm 10 hours through prime 3 and its more hardcore than most games on 360 or PS3.

Well, the only thing that I'm missing when watching footage is actually controlling it. I'd say I can form a rather solid opinion if we're only not taking that into account.

As for it being more hardcore than most titles on the 360 or PS3, I wouldn't doubt it. Then again those two consoles don't exactly have many games that are appealing to the hardcore themselves, so saying that Metroid Prime 3 is better than most, isn't really saying much.

If Nintendo or any third party got serious about putting an RPG to the caliber of say, Final Fantasy, then you could make an argument. But most FPS games are pretty basic in nature.

Prime is not a FPS.....