Westerners are not good at making games for.....

Handhelds...

Agree or disagree? I'm more of the notion that Westerners are just not committed to handheld development as the Japanese.

Aside from a select few companies like 5th Cell who made Scribblenauts and WayForward Games, there aren't much Western companies who have made great to epic handheld games and are committed to it. BioWare made an RPG for DS which was a Sonic game and look at how that turned out lol PSP is more praised for its JRPGs and Japanese games not really handheld versions of console games developed by Westerners like GoW.

With that in mind, if Vita can't secure the Japanese on board for its development, it will be up to Western devs to make great games for it. The question will be if big companies like EPIC, BioWare, Ubisoft, etc. will get serious with it especially that smartphones are getting big nowadays. If they too won't, Vita is literally doomed. There is a Bioshock for Vita though there's a high chance it might not be 100% original like Infinite is from Bioshcok 1 and 2.

I was going to post a picture of contra 4, but you mentioned wayforward.

Kudos.

i think the japanese are better at handheld games mostly coz sony and ninty are japanesse but coz of games like monster hunter and some jrpgs.

There are some very very talented western devs who work on handhelds, but I see why there are so few. Why would you make a game for a handheld when you can make it bigger and better for consoles. Its all about where the sales go though. Looking at devs like Sony bend and Ready at Dawn though, I'd say its tough to argue that its just the incompetence of the west.

There are some very very talented western devs who work on handhelds, but I see why there are so few. Why would you make a game for a handheld when you can make it bigger and better for consoles. Its all about where the sales go though. Looking at devs like Sony bend and Ready at Dawn though, I'd say its tough to argue that its just the incompetence of the west.

RandomWinner

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There are some very very talented western devs who work on handhelds, but I see why there are so few. Why would you make a game for a handheld when you can make it bigger and better for consoles. Its all about where the sales go though. Looking at devs like Sony bend and Ready at Dawn though, I'd say its tough to argue that its just the incompetence of the west.

lordlors

That's fair. I guess its all about what your looking for. To be honest, I like handhelds not because I play them on trips but I get to play them somewhere else in my house. Like downstairs with the TV. If your looking for that handheld experience most western devs don't want to deliver it, they want to make something bigger, like Uncharted, Peace Walker, Resistance, God of War, or Daxter. They are great games in their own right though.

It's not that they aren't good at making them.

They just don't make them.

It's not that they aren't good at making them.

They just don't make them.

SW__Troll

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It's not that they aren't good at making them.

They just don't make them.

lordlors

Probably.

I can only imagine Japanese-made games made up for 99% of all software sold on the PSP/DS

Not only that, but the PSP (in particular) was selling terribly in the US for the last few years. Heck, I can't recall the last time Sony even commented on their NA sales for the PSP.

The Vita needs Japanese support like the PSP has.

Iphone?walkingdream

Now that you mention it TC... On top of my head I can only remember Daxter as a great game for PSP I played that was made by a Western comapny.

well maybe shooters werent possible at handhelds so far??HFkami

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]Iphone?foxhound_fox

Which handheld device is that on?

i think the japanese are better at handheld games mostly coz sony and ninty are japanesse but coz of games like monster hunter and some jrpgs.

free_milk

Western devs are doing great this generation. A lot of them can afford to make bid budget titles for consoles/PC. Japanese devs are sadly losing (quite frankly I think this is where the most creativity comes from in gaming) out to the Western devs. Back in the PSOne and PS2 JRPGs flourished, but it was cheaper back then. Today you'll find a lot of JRPGs are handheld games because it isn't as risky as making a game for consoles. I hate to see this happen to Japanese companies, but that's just the way it is.

EDIT: Oh, and I wouldn't say Western developers aren't good at making handheld games. It's just not where a lot of their focus goes into when it comes to making video games. So, no, I don't agree Westerners aren't good at making handheld games. They're doing pretty good with phone games.

Infinity Blade 2 says otherwise.

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i think the japanese are better at handheld games mostly coz sony and ninty are japanesse but coz of games like monster hunter and some jrpgs.

majadamus

Western devs are doing great this generation. A lot of them can afford to make bid budget titles for consoles/PC. Japanese devs are sadly losing (quite frankly I think this is where the most creativity comes from in gaming) out to the Western devs. Back in the PSOne and PS2 JRPGs flourished, but it was cheaper back then. Today you'll find a lot of JRPGs are handheld games because it isn't as risky as making a game for consoles. I hate to see this happen to Japanese companies, but that's just the way it is.

EDIT: Oh, and I wouldn't say Western developers aren't good at making handheld games. It's just not where a lot of their focus goes into when it comes to making video games. So, no, I don't agree Westerners aren't good at making handheld games. They're doing pretty good with phone games.

Infinity Blade 2 says otherwise.

speedfreak48t5p

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[QUOTE="free_milk"]

i think the japanese are better at handheld games mostly coz sony and ninty are japanesse but coz of games like monster hunter and some jrpgs.

lordlors

Western devs are doing great this generation. A lot of them can afford to make bid budget titles for consoles/PC. Japanese devs are sadly losing (quite frankly I think this is where the most creativity comes from in gaming) out to the Western devs. Back in the PSOne and PS2 JRPGs flourished, but it was cheaper back then. Today you'll find a lot of JRPGs are handheld games because it isn't as risky as making a game for consoles. I hate to see this happen to Japanese companies, but that's just the way it is.

EDIT: Oh, and I wouldn't say Western developers aren't good at making handheld games. It's just not where a lot of their focus goes into when it comes to making video games. So, no, I don't agree Westerners aren't good at making handheld games. They're doing pretty good with phone games.

I know something on smartphones which can match scribblenauts.

Scribblenauts.

They're good. Not as good as Japanese but good.

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[QUOTE="majadamus"]

Western devs are doing great this generation. A lot of them can afford to make bid budget titles for consoles/PC. Japanese devs are sadly losing (quite frankly I think this is where the most creativity comes from in gaming) out to the Western devs. Back in the PSOne and PS2 JRPGs flourished, but it was cheaper back then. Today you'll find a lot of JRPGs are handheld games because it isn't as risky as making a game for consoles. I hate to see this happen to Japanese companies, but that's just the way it is.

EDIT: Oh, and I wouldn't say Western developers aren't good at making handheld games. It's just not where a lot of their focus goes into when it comes to making video games. So, no, I don't agree Westerners aren't good at making handheld games. They're doing pretty good with phone games.

Chemical_Viking

I know something on smartphones which can match scribblenauts.

Scribblenauts.

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Infinity Blade 2 says otherwise.

lordlors

Actually the assertion was westerners are not good at making games for handhelds. Japan does not come into it. Japan is irrelevant. Can the west make good games for handheld devices? Well a finely crafted game provides solid evidence that this post is nonsense. I have many other examples. Contre Jour for example.

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[QUOTE="lordlors"] There is still no Western made phone game that can match Professor Layton and Ghost Trick. Heck Westerners have made better games on handhelds than smartphones "for now". I don't see anything in smartphones that can match Scribblenauts, Drawn to Life, Shantae,etc. and i have my Galaxy Note.

lordlors

I know something on smartphones which can match scribblenauts.

Scribblenauts.

It's on phone and ipad. Like ghost trick. It's irrelevant where they were first introduced. They are on smartphones now. Much cheaper than on your handheld.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, dedicated handheld devices are on their way out. Unless Nintendo and Sony directly compete with the smartphones completely they are destined to lose.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="speedfreak48t5p"]

Infinity Blade 2 says otherwise.

Chemical_Viking

Actually the assertion was westerners are not good at making games for handhelds. Japan does not come into it. Japan is irrelevant. Can the west make good games for handheld devices? Well a finely crafted game provides solid evidence that this post is nonsense. I have many other examples. Contre Jour for example.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

I know something on smartphones which can match scribblenauts.

Scribblenauts.

Chemical_Viking

It's on phone and ipad. Like ghost trick. It's irrelevant where they were first introduced. They are on smartphones now. Much cheaper than on your handheld.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, dedicated handheld devices are on their way out. Unless Nintendo and Sony directly compete with the smartphones completely they are destined to lose.

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[QUOTE="lordlors"] Was it released for iphone apps? Even still, it was mainly developed for the Nintendo DS just like Ghost Trick even though they were eventually ported to smartphones to generate more profit.lordlors

It's on phone and ipad. Like ghost trick. It's irrelevant where they were first introduced. They are on smartphones now. Much cheaper than on your handheld.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, dedicated handheld devices are on their way out. Unless Nintendo and Sony directly compete with the smartphones completely they are destined to lose.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. You honestly think that handhelds have a strong future? Well, time will tell. At this stage, I could be wrong, or I could be right. All I see is everyone around me has a smartphone, where you can get countless more games than handhelds for a fraction of the cost and many of them are of similar quality to full handheld releases. In some instances games come out for both. It does not make economic sense to assume handhelds will rule the roost for much longer.

Why are you bothering with me? Sanctimonious prick Because we were having a discussion!

Typical of this board. Play the man not the argument!

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

It's on phone and ipad. Like ghost trick. It's irrelevant where they were first introduced. They are on smartphones now. Much cheaper than on your handheld.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, dedicated handheld devices are on their way out. Unless Nintendo and Sony directly compete with the smartphones completely they are destined to lose.

Chemical_Viking

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. You honestly think that handhelds have a strong future? Well, time will tell. At this stage, I could be wrong, or I could be right. All I see is everyone around me has a smartphone, where you can get countless more games than handhelds for a fraction of the cost and many of them are of similar quality to full handheld releases. In some instances games come out for both. It does not make economic sense to assume handhelds will rule the roost for much longer.

Why are you bothering with me? Sanctimonious prick Because we were having a discussion!

Typical of this board. Play the man not the argument!

Tetris, while not specifically designed for a handheld, is probably the most played handheld game ever made.

I want Blood Bowl: Legendary edition for PSV. That way I can practice for my league and try new builds as I write them.

Now that you mention it TC... On top of my head I can only remember Daxter as a great game for PSP I played that was made by a Western comapny.

rogerjak

Henry Hatsworth, and GTA: Chinatown Wars spring to my mind.

These types of generalizations can never really work. There are hundreds of quality western developed hand held games.meetroid8