What can Live do that PSN and STEAM can't for free?

Aside from party/cross chat (psn) what makes Live "better" than PSN, or for that matter Steam? And why can both of those free services do almost everything (everything + more in Steams case) while Xbox Live charges?

What is the REAL reason why people pay for Xbox Live, and what was the REAL reason why they raised the price?

People pay for Xbox live because its the only way to play the games they bought online. That's the reason people pay for it at the end of the day. And since its very well known you have to pay to play that is realistically going to be the most common reason for people paying. Its a simple concept really.

Live has last.fm,Facebook(FULL integration compared to PSN's integration),Zune,Sky Player (so good since i havent got my viewing card yet i can login with my accs).

those are a few i thought of straight away mind you i use them a lot *shrugs* especially last.fm.

Cross game chat - I got a PS3 recently and whilst I still have my 360, it's annoying that I can't chat to my friend on PSN.Ravensmash

But Steam does that too but for free, plus it does alot of other things that Live can't for free too.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Cross game chat - I got a PS3 recently and whilst I still have my 360, it's annoying that I can't chat to my friend on PSN.ShadowMoses900

But Steam does that too but for free, plus it does alot of other things that Live can't for free too.

doesn't really matter what is said I will continue to purchase xbox live because it offers something of value to me.

Cross game chat - I got a PS3 recently and whilst I still have my 360, it's annoying that I can't chat to my friend on PSN.Ravensmash

People pay for Xbox live because its the only way to play the games they bought online. That's the reason people pay for it at the end of the day. And since its very well known you have to pay to play that is realistically going to be the most common reason for people paying. Its a simple concept really.

ActicEdge

^this

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Cross game chat - I got a PS3 recently and whilst I still have my 360, it's annoying that I can't chat to my friend on PSN.Bread_or_Decide

nothing. We've been through this a million times... You just want to see the lemmings in damage control mode again?

Nobody wants to pay for online. But They just have to.

Live takes your money and than brain washes you into being grateful they took your money. Bread_or_Decide

No one likes paying money. I think you're over exagerating, not minding doesn't mean your thankful to pay.

doesn't really matter what is said I will continue to purchase xbox live because it offers something of value to me.

WilliamRLBaker

That is all good sir, it is your hard earned money and you can spend it anyway you want. Even if it's a rip off IMO

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

doesn't really matter what is said I will continue to purchase xbox live because it offers something of value to me.

ShadowMoses900

That is all good sir, it is your hard earned money and you can spend it anyway you want. Even if it's a rip off IMO

It is a rip off. But, they have no choice. Let this die...

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Cross game chat - I got a PS3 recently and whilst I still have my 360, it's annoying that I can't chat to my friend on PSN.ShadowMoses900

But Steam does that too but for free, plus it does alot of other things that Live can't for free too.

What is the real reason people pay for XBLG?

Because they have deluded themselves into thinking that paying to unlock content they already bought is a good thing. And that somehow that money is benefiting their experience online in some way (despite all that MS offers for online is peer-to-peer which is entirely dependent on ISP).

foxhound_fox

I think its a little easier than that fox :P

I think its that no money in MS's pocket equal no online for the games they bought.

doesn't really matter what is said I will continue to purchase xbox live because it offers something of value to me.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

doesn't really matter what is said I will continue to purchase xbox live because it offers something of value to me.

SilverChimera

He could just not buy games on the 360. There are a lot of options but the main one is he is right, MS has created value in chaging for online. He see a value in online, he is now paying for it. He is correct, its just that he is more interested in paying then pursuin other options which is a little unfotunate because it encourages paying money for features everyone is giving you for free.

What is the real reason people pay for XBLG?

Because they have deluded themselves into thinking that paying to unlock content they already bought is a good thing. And that somehow that money is benefiting their experience online in some way (despite all that MS offers for online is peer-to-peer which is entirely dependent on ISP).

foxhound_fox

Hey man, you don't get it man, the entire EXPERIENCE of Xbox Live is fantastic! That experience itself is worth $50. Oh woops, $60. It's so worth it that I forgot they increased the price :oops: Everything else is a freebee that MS is kind enough to give us.

Does anyone actually KNOW why they raised the price? I have heard about inflation but that doesn't make sense as it costs nothing to really run Live (it's all p2p). I think it may have something to do with kinect and bringing in a new casual market who are unaware of the prior price.

I don't own a console, but I prefer Xbox live to PS3's online system. It just seems better...which is probably because you have to pay for it.

Does anyone actually KNOW why they raised the price? I have heard about inflation but that doesn't make sense as it costs nothing to really run Live (it's all p2p). I think it may have something to do with kinect and bringing in a new casual market who are unaware of the prior price.

ShadowMoses900

I heard they raised the price because Activision wanted to charge people to play CoD online, but Microsoft didn't want that to happen..so they raised the price of Live and a % goes to Activision. No joke either..

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Does anyone actually KNOW why they raised the price? I have heard about inflation but that doesn't make sense as it costs nothing to really run Live (it's all p2p). I think it may have something to do with kinect and bringing in a new casual market who are unaware of the prior price.

tricksta189

I heard they raised the price because Activision wanted to charge people to play CoD online, but Microsoft didn't want that to happen..so they raised the price of Live and a % goes to Activision. No joke either..

:lol:

Are you serious? If that's true than that is by far the dirtiest, backroom deal in the video game industries history.

[QUOTE="tricksta189"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Does anyone actually KNOW why they raised the price? I have heard about inflation but that doesn't make sense as it costs nothing to really run Live (it's all p2p). I think it may have something to do with kinect and bringing in a new casual market who are unaware of the prior price.

ShadowMoses900

I heard they raised the price because Activision wanted to charge people to play CoD online, but Microsoft didn't want that to happen..so they raised the price of Live and a % goes to Activision. No joke either..

:lol:

Are you serious? If that's true than that is by far the dirtiest, backroom deal in the video game industries history.

Check it out :)

http://n4g.com/news/652757/xbl-10-price-hike-was-caused-by-activision

Let me play 360 games online and let me play them with my friends who also have 360s. Doi?

charge you money

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="tricksta189"]

I heard they raised the price because Activision wanted to charge people to play CoD online, but Microsoft didn't want that to happen..so they raised the price of Live and a % goes to Activision. No joke either..

TheMoreYouOwn

:lol:

Are you serious? If that's true than that is by far the dirtiest, backroom deal in the video game industries history.

Check it out :)

http://n4g.com/news/652757/xbl-10-price-hike-was-caused-by-activision

WOW, I knew they were dirty but THIS dirty!? That's kind of terreifying

[QUOTE="tricksta189"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Does anyone actually KNOW why they raised the price? I have heard about inflation but that doesn't make sense as it costs nothing to really run Live (it's all p2p). I think it may have something to do with kinect and bringing in a new casual market who are unaware of the prior price.

ShadowMoses900

I heard they raised the price because Activision wanted to charge people to play CoD online, but Microsoft didn't want that to happen..so they raised the price of Live and a % goes to Activision. No joke either..

:lol:

Are you serious? If that's true than that is by far the dirtiest, backroom deal in the video game industries history.

Activision is the devil when it comes to video games..I wish more people would realize this and stop supporting them :)

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Cross game chat - I got a PS3 recently and whilst I still have my 360, it's annoying that I can't chat to my friend on PSN.ShadowMoses900

But Steam does that too but for free, plus it does alot of other things that Live can't for free too.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Cross game chat - I got a PS3 recently and whilst I still have my 360, it's annoying that I can't chat to my friend on PSN.gamer620

But Steam does that too but for free, plus it does alot of other things that Live can't for free too.

I think Steam realizes most people use Ventrilo and it doesn't really need it's own chat system.

[QUOTE="gamer620"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

But Steam does that too but for free, plus it does alot of other things that Live can't for free too.

tricksta189

I think Steam realizes most people use Ventrilo and it doesn't really need it's own chat system.

This thread is about STEAM, not PC ONLINE.

Live has last.fm,Facebook(FULL integration compared to PSN's integration),Zune,Sky Player (so good since i havent got my viewing card yet i can login with my accs).

those are a few i thought of straight away mind you i use them a lot *shrugs* especially last.fm.

razgriz_101

Why the HELL would anyone use facebook on their xbox? I didnt even know it was a feature and i have xbox live...

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Live has last.fm,Facebook(FULL integration compared to PSN's integration),Zune,Sky Player (so good since i havent got my viewing card yet i can login with my accs).

those are a few i thought of straight away mind you i use them a lot *shrugs* especially last.fm.

firefluff3

Why the HELL would anyone use facebook on their xbox? I didnt even know it was a feature and i have xbox live...

[QUOTE="tricksta189"]

[QUOTE="gamer620"] I love steam, but it hardly does it the same way the 360 does especially considering you cant party chat on steamgamer620

I think Steam realizes most people use Ventrilo and it doesn't really need it's own chat system.

This thread is about STEAM, not PC ONLINE.

Doesn't matter, its still free compared to xbox live

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Live has last.fm,Facebook(FULL integration compared to PSN's integration),Zune,Sky Player (so good since i havent got my viewing card yet i can login with my accs).

those are a few i thought of straight away mind you i use them a lot *shrugs* especially last.fm.

firefluff3

Why the HELL would anyone use facebook on their xbox? I didnt even know it was a feature and i have xbox live...

[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Live has last.fm,Facebook(FULL integration compared to PSN's integration),Zune,Sky Player (so good since i havent got my viewing card yet i can login with my accs).

those are a few i thought of straight away mind you i use them a lot *shrugs* especially last.fm.

siLVURcross

Why the HELL would anyone use facebook on their xbox? I didnt even know it was a feature and i have xbox live...

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

:lol:

Are you serious? If that's true than that is by far the dirtiest, backroom deal in the video game industries history.

ShadowMoses900

Check it out :)

http://n4g.com/news/652757/xbl-10-price-hike-was-caused-by-activision

WOW, I knew they were dirty but THIS dirty!? That's kind of terreifying

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Why the HELL would anyone use facebook on their xbox? I didnt even know it was a feature and i have xbox live...

SilverChimera

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Because they don't have an Internet browser.Verge_6

[QUOTE="gamer620"]

[QUOTE="tricksta189"]

I think Steam realizes most people use Ventrilo and it doesn't really need it's own chat system.

firefluff3

This thread is about STEAM, not PC ONLINE.

Doesn't matter, its still free compared to xbox live

the reason steam is free is because of the money they make selling games. which outside of one of there sales is one of the most expensive places you can buy PC games (in the UK at least. for instance now CoD:BO has been part of there amazing sales for the last few days at £39.99!!! £12 more expensive than amazon. and as for PSN its best feature according to PS3 fans is that its free.

[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

[QUOTE="gamer620"] I don't disagree, however the fact that it is a third party source makes STEAM inferior int hat regard

This thread is about STEAM, not PC ONLINE.

gamer620

Doesn't matter, its still free compared to xbox live

[QUOTE="gamer620"][QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Doesn't matter, its still free compared to xbox live

Locutus_Picard

Does anyone actually KNOW why they raised the price? I have heard about inflation but that doesn't make sense as it costs nothing to really run Live (it's all p2p). I think it may have something to do with kinect and bringing in a new casual market who are unaware of the prior price.

ShadowMoses900